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Post by Ballyfireside on Aug 3, 2022 15:07:11 GMT
The old chestnut again of giving credit to scorers rather than defenders - of course we all do it but maybe Ballydonoghoor Foley now has me thinking over this more carefully - Paidí isn't in lists nor Johnno - what would Comer have scored if he cut loose? Paidí's markers held to the sum total of 5 points in Croker - awesome. Also reminds of Haughey asking about how many bones he broke - 'none of my own Charlie, legendary stuff. Maybe picking a team nullifies such bias as backs compete with backs, etc. The team we picked was between 1997 and now. If we picked from 75 to now I'm sure Johnno and Paidi would be selected on most teams. Ah yes I was just generalising and I trust you get my drift re how forwards are popular because they score!
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Aug 3, 2022 17:29:22 GMT
Here is some non-loose talk. Some times it doesn't make sense at all to compare two things. How can you compare Seamus Moynihan and Declan O'Sullivan and say that one of them is "better".
I think Colm Cooper and Maurice Fitzgerald fall into this bracket. I don't think it makes complete sense to compare these two players and come up with who is "better".
Continuing this, sometimes you have two things that can't be compared but there is a third thing that each can be compared to (for the very curious I can give mathematical examples of this).
Well anyway for the loose talk. I think David Clifford is the third thing to Colm Cooper and Maurice Fitzgerald. I think you can compare Clifford and Gooch, and Clifford and Maurice Fitzgerald, and I actually believe he is better than both players.
Very briefly, I think he has superior vision and skill to Cooper, and is an even better kicker than Maurice.
Loose talk sure but what I believe.
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Post by Ballyfireside on Aug 3, 2022 19:01:45 GMT
Here is some non-loose talk. Some times it doesn't make sense at all to compare two things. How can you compare Seamus Moynihan and Declan O'Sullivan and say that one of them is "better". I think Colm Cooper and Maurice Fitzgerald fall into this bracket. I don't think it makes complete sense to compare these two players and come up with who is "better". Continuing this, sometimes you have two things that can't be compared but there is a third thing that each can be compared to and each of the two can be compared with the third (for the very curious I can give mathematical examples of this). Well anyway for the loose talk. I think David Clifford is the third thing to Colm Cooper and Maurice Fitzgerald. I think you can compare Clifford and Gooch, and Clifford and Maurice Fitzgerald, and I actually believe he is better than both players. Very briefly, I think he has superior vision and skill to Cooper, and is an even better kicker than Maurice. Loose talk sure but what I believe. I wouldn't subscribe to your 'control' philosophy here professor, bearing in mind what the man who invented the atomic bomb said - 'Not everything that can be counted counts and not everything that counts can be counted.' Has anyone the stats on Colm and Maurice, then factor in the teams they were on, etc. The reality is that the 'ratings' will be so tight it will probably dwarf the margin of error so it is pointless - now that's loose talk for sure! Clifford is still young and will probably go on a lot, well hopefully anyway, so it is a bit early to be comparing, let alone using him as the 'control.' Personally I think Maurice was the best of the 3 for long range kicks, ah David is class there too - was Gooch best nearer the goals? Finally, is Clifford the biggest physically - them quads made O'Houra look like a lad and that is a massive advantage; if a defender doesn't get out of his way voluntarily then it happens by the force of a gentle giant. How does his physical stats compare to say Paul O'Connell? What a conversation to be having - 3 of the greatest gan dabht, we have so much to be thankful for. Such is the vastness of out talent pool I personally found it handy enough writing poetry about them - just like a few local rascals made John B's job easy you might say. If there was no footballers they'd be no poem, and the better the subject matter the better the story - mostly it was a case of holding the pen, reminds of Looking Lucky - Crossing Winning Lines and is based on the childrens' hospital visits of Sam and Liam.
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Post by Ballyfireside on Aug 3, 2022 19:19:01 GMT
Neither Clifford or Gooch take frees from the ground and certainly not with both feet like Maurice. Also Maurice was an excellent midfielder so he has that in his armour over David and Gooch. Now tbf David has pace over Maurice and both David and Maurice have strength over Gooch. Also David is playing in an era of double marking. For those reasons outlined I would maybe slightly have David ahead of Maurice and both ahead of Gooch. I do agree it very hard to judge players in different eras. Players are fitter now but backs don't get away with as much as they did years ago. We are just lucky that everytime a special majestic player retires another comes along The great Micko Connell retired in 74 and Mikey Sheehy comes to the fore. Mikey retires early 88 due to injury and Maurice appears in 88.Maurice slips away quietly at end of 2001 and 2002 the Gooch emerges. Gooch retires in 2017 and 2018 along comes King David. Surprisingly the records say Maurice was only 1" taller than Gooch and who was deceptively taller that his boyish face might lead one to believe. As for strength, Colm pulled the trigger of an evening in was it '03 in Lewis Road that found Declan O'Keeffe's lower stomach, and so lifted him and plastered him into the back of the net. I was on a mission from a foreign land and booked into a hay shed in Killarney so I could witness Paidí's proteges in preparation. Nostos or what - John Moriarty would be proud of us, what with the Greek tragedy that lay ahead; the Plot, the Tragic Hero, Thought, Diction, Spectacle and the Chorus. It had it all, culminating with the chorus which was about animals as I recall.
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Post by glengael on Aug 9, 2022 11:03:55 GMT
During these 25 years, Kerry played in the final on 16 occasions. 14 finals and 2 replays. Of the starting teams in these finals, which team would have been the best? IMO the 2009 team was very strong and probably the best for me although we hobbled through the qualifiers. Funny enough for the final Donaghy was injured and Aidan Ó Mahony was only a sub but it was a very strong team. I think that 2009 panel was the strongest of the era. In other years the loss of Donaghy might have been felt more strongly in high summer, but Tommy Walsh was in year 2 on the frontline so we had an effective target man, Galvin was back to full tilt after his various suspensions, Mike Mc, Kennelly, strength like Moran & Maher on the bench. Mahony was a bit player after a nightmare 2008 (it is to his eternal credit that he re-emerged so strongly in later years). Unfortunately just as soon as that All Ireland was won, that panel began to break up.
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Post by OnTheForty on Aug 24, 2022 16:15:14 GMT
Hard enough to pick the best 15 of last 25 years, try pick a starting XV from the last 50. balls.ie had a go and this is a serious line-up: www.balls.ie/gaa/best-kerry-xv-television-era-345558The bench is phenomenal, never mind players who did not even get a mention. Personally I would have Liston ahead of Clifford as he achieved more, but hopefully in 10 years time DC will equal Bomber's haul and replace him.
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Post by homerj on Aug 24, 2022 16:57:19 GMT
very strange how few of the golden era team made it, only 6 in total. with 1 from current team and maurice. the remaining 7 are from the 6 in a row finalists 04-09.
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