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Post by homerj on Jul 26, 2022 21:27:34 GMT
inspired by the class of 97 last sunday, lets pick our best 15 of the last 25 years.
do many of the current 15 get into it yet? how do we fit Donaghy, Clifford, gooch, JOD, Mike Frank into the same FF line?
some of the early player "only" won 1 or 2 medals so how do we judge those against the current crop?
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Post by john4 on Jul 26, 2022 21:57:23 GMT
I'll get the ball rolling 🤣
1. Diarmuid Murphy
2. Marc Ó Sé
3. Jason Foley
4. Tom O'Sullivan (Rathmore)
5. Seamus Moynihan
6. Aiden O'Mahony
7. Tomás Ó Sé
8. Dara Ó Sé
9. Anthony Maher
10. Seán Ó Sé
11. Bryan Sheehan
12. Declan O'Sullivan
13. Gooch
14. David Clifford
15. Maurice Fitzgerald
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Post by hurlingman on Jul 26, 2022 21:58:23 GMT
The game has changed so much it'd be almost impossible to pick.
Take the keepers for example Declan O Keeffe and Diarmuid Murphy would be lost in the modern game.
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Post by wideball on Jul 26, 2022 22:02:32 GMT
1. Diarmuid Murphy
2. Marc O'Se
3. Mike McCarthy
4. Tom O'Sullivan (Rathmore)
5. Tomas O'Se
6. Eamonn Fitzmaurice
7. Seamus Moynihan
8. Darragh O'Se
9. David Moran
10. Paul Galvin
11. Sean O'Shea
12. Maurice Fitzgerald
13. Colm Cooper
14. Declan O'Sullivan
15. David Clifford
Really wanted to put Star in but could not drop any of the 6 forwards for him. I think Shane Ryan will eventually take the number 1 jersey from Murphy. Moynihan is one of the first names on the team sheet but ends up wing back as he could really play anywhere from 2 to 9.
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Post by homerj on Jul 26, 2022 22:07:05 GMT
I'll get the ball rolling 🤣 1. Diarmuid Murphy 2. Marc Ó Sé 3. Jason Foley 4. Tom O'Sullivan (Rathmore) 5. Seamus Moynihan 6. Aiden O'Mahony 7. Tomás Ó Sé 8. Dara Ó Sé 9. Anthony Maher 10. Seán Ó Sé 11. Bryan Sheehan 12. Declan O'Sullivan 13. Gooch 14. David Clifford 15. Maurice Fitzgerald its a great team but the crazy think here is youve left out 3 footballers of the year in Galvin, Donaghy and JOD!!!!Mike Frank, Mike Mccarthy, Liam Flaherty (even though only played 2 of the 25 years really). Cinnede, the list is endless |
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Post by john4 on Jul 26, 2022 22:14:09 GMT
I'll get the ball rolling 🤣 1. Diarmuid Murphy 2. Marc Ó Sé 3. Jason Foley 4. Tom O'Sullivan (Rathmore) 5. Seamus Moynihan 6. Aiden O'Mahony 7. Tomás Ó Sé 8. Dara Ó Sé 9. Anthony Maher 10. Seán Ó Sé 11. Bryan Sheehan 12. Declan O'Sullivan 13. Gooch 14. David Clifford 15. Maurice Fitzgerald its a great team but the crazy think here is youve left out 3 footballers of the year in Galvin, Donaghy and JOD!!!!Mike Frank, Mike Mccarthy, Liam Flaherty (even though only played 2 of the 25 years really). Cinnede, the list is endless I left out Galvin and Donaghy because of their discipline basically. They had an unfortunate capacity to lose it, and that's fine to be cranky and emotional and all that but in doing that you're leaving 14 lads down. Jod had 1 great year, MFR and Cinnide yes very good but they're no Gooch or MF, I won't even compare them to DC with respect! |
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Post by wideball on Jul 26, 2022 22:14:39 GMT
I'll get the ball rolling 🤣 1. Diarmuid Murphy 2. Marc Ó Sé 3. Jason Foley 4. Tom O'Sullivan (Rathmore) 5. Seamus Moynihan 6. Aiden O'Mahony 7. Tomás Ó Sé 8. Dara Ó Sé 9. Anthony Maher 10. Seán Ó Sé 11. Bryan Sheehan 12. Declan O'Sullivan 13. Gooch 14. David Clifford 15. Maurice Fitzgerald Why Maher over Moran? I found the decision tough but ultimately went for Moran as he has more All-Irelands. |
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Post by john4 on Jul 26, 2022 22:17:57 GMT
I'll get the ball rolling 🤣 1. Diarmuid Murphy 2. Marc Ó Sé 3. Jason Foley 4. Tom O'Sullivan (Rathmore) 5. Seamus Moynihan 6. Aiden O'Mahony 7. Tomás Ó Sé 8. Dara Ó Sé 9. Anthony Maher 10. Seán Ó Sé 11. Bryan Sheehan 12. Declan O'Sullivan 13. Gooch 14. David Clifford 15. Maurice Fitzgerald Why Maher over Moran? I found the decision tough but ultimately went for Moran as he has more All-Irelands. I know it's just 1 match but I can't clear it from my memory, we were 30 seconds away from beating Cork in 2020 and DM ballooned a crazy ball into nobody. It cost us dearly. Anthony Maher would not do that |
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Post by homerj on Jul 26, 2022 22:19:09 GMT
its a great team but the crazy think here is youve left out 3 footballers of the year in Galvin, Donaghy and JOD!!!!Mike Frank, Mike Mccarthy, Liam Flaherty (even though only played 2 of the 25 years really). Cinnede, the list is endless I left out Galvin and Donaghy because of their discipline basically. They had an unfortunate capacity to lose it, and that's fine to be cranky and emotional and all that but in doing that you're leaving 14 lads down. Jod had 1 great year, MFR and Cinnide yes very good but they're no Gooch or MF, I won't even compare them to DC with respect! id find it awful hard to leave out Mike Frank. an incredible player. as the saying goes, "hes seen it all, he won the lot" . 5 all irelands and a key part in many of those. incredible in 2000. |
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Post by wideball on Jul 26, 2022 22:22:35 GMT
Why Maher over Moran? I found the decision tough but ultimately went for Moran as he has more All-Irelands. I know it's just 1 match but I can't clear it from my memory, we were 30 seconds away from beating Cork in 2020 and DM ballooned the most stupid ball in the history of Gaelic football into nobody. It cost us dearly. Anthony Maher would not do that That's a fair point. Moran made a mistake at the throw in of the second half of the 2019 AI final replay as well. He should have caught the ball uncontested but instead punched it to Murchan who ran through the Kerry defence to score the goal. |
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Post by horsebox77 on Jul 26, 2022 22:43:25 GMT
Diarmuid Murphy
Tom Sullivan - Rathmore
Seamus Moynihan
Tom Sullivan - Dingle
Tomàs Sè
Liam Flaherty
Aidan O'Mahony
Darragh O'Sè
Brian Sheehan
Paul Galvin
Sean O'Shea
Maurice Fitzgerald
Colm Copper
Declan O'Sullivan
David Clifford
All all-stars in those positions except Flaherty, couldn't accommodate 2014 player of the year James Donoghue or 2006 Star but looking at my front six it's impossible to drop anyone to accommodate.
Serious XV to see play together
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Post by blacksheep21 on Jul 26, 2022 23:01:57 GMT
Murphy,
Marc
Mike McCarthy
Tom Sullivan
Tomas
Mahoney
Seamus
Dara
David Moran
Galvin
Declan
Maurice
Gooch
Donaghy
Clifford
Back line and midfield fairly straightforward, almost impossible to pick the forwards.
The comments made about Moran above are laughable.
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Post by mossie on Jul 26, 2022 23:42:44 GMT
1. Diarmuid Murphy
2. Marc O'Se
3. Jason Foley ( most natural in the position, others did very well but were pushed in there)
4. Tom Sullivan ( Rathmore)
5. Tomas O'Shea
6. Aidan Mahoney
7. Seamus Moynihan ( Captain)
8. Dara OSe
9. Anthony Maher
10. Paul Galvin
11. Sean O'Shea
12. Maurice Fitzgerald
13. Colm Cooper
14. Kieran Donaghy
15. David Clifford
Took the liberty of 6 subs
16. Shane Ryan
17. Tom Sullivan( Dingle)
18. Mike McCarthy
19. David Moran
20. Declan O'Sullivan
21. Mike Frank Russell
found it particularly hard to omit Tom Sullivan Dingle from the 15 and I am probably the only one to leave out Declan!!
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Post by mossie on Jul 26, 2022 23:46:12 GMT
Murphy, Marc Mike McCarthy Tom Sullivan Tomas Mahoney Seamus Dara David Moran Galvin Declan Maurice Gooch Donaghy Clifford Back line and midfield fairly straightforward, almost impossible to pick the forwards. The comments made about Moran above are laughable. I dont think it is unreasonable to select Maher over Moran, you can make a strong case for both of them but only room for one |
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Post by kot on Jul 27, 2022 0:07:14 GMT
My god, a fairly impossible task.
1. Diarmaid Murphy
2. Marc o sé
3. Seamus moynihan
4. Tom o sullivan
5. Tomás o sé
6. Mike Mac
7. Aidan o mahony
8. Dara o sé
9. David moran
10. Paul galvin
11. Sean o shea
12. Declan o sullivan
13. Gooch
14. Star
15. Clifford
Jesus christ i almost feel dirty some of the players i left off. I think there is some recency bias in some teams. I gave extra votes to exceptional talents and fellas who starred in multiple wins.
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Post by blacksheep21 on Jul 27, 2022 5:21:26 GMT
Murphy, Marc Mike McCarthy Tom Sullivan Tomas Mahoney Seamus Dara David Moran Galvin Declan Maurice Gooch Donaghy Clifford Back line and midfield fairly straightforward, almost impossible to pick the forwards. The comments made about Moran above are laughable. I dont think it is unreasonable to select Maher over Moran, you can make a strong case for both of them but only room for one Agreed, it is all opinion. It was more the specific comments for not picking Moran that I would have issue with. |
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Post by onlykerry on Jul 27, 2022 11:29:04 GMT
Fantasy football at its best - the style of play had changed so much in that 25 years period that it makes it very difficult to pick a team - we end up picking our favourite stars of the era.
Put the question a little differently - would the team of 1997 beat the current team? Did one of the teams of that period stand out as the best for anybody. How would David Clifford have fared against Mike Mc Carthy or Seamus Moynihan. How would Tom O Sullivan (Dingle) have fared against the Gooch.....
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Jul 27, 2022 11:38:40 GMT
I tried but I couldn't do it. I probably can't judge properly a LOF.
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Post by thehermit on Jul 27, 2022 11:53:40 GMT
Fantasy football at its best - the style of play had changed so much in that 25 years period that it makes it very difficult to pick a team - we end up picking our favourite stars of the era. Put the question a little differently - would the team of 1997 beat the current team? Did one of the teams of that period stand out as the best for anybody. How would David Clifford have fared against Mike Mc Carthy or Seamus Moynihan. How would Tom O Sullivan (Dingle) have fared against the Gooch..... I would argue 97 better backs (even though that sounds stupid given what this team's defence is like), I would say 2022 have better forwards if they are on song. |
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Post by dod2102 on Jul 27, 2022 12:06:52 GMT
1.Murphy
2.Marc o se
3.Mike McCarthy
4.tom sullivan (rathmore)
5.Tomas o se
6.Seamus
7.Aidan mahony
8.darragh
9.David Moran
10.galvin
11.Declan
12.Maurice
13.gooch
14.Clifford
15. Mike frank
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Post by Mickmack on Jul 27, 2022 12:29:13 GMT
Diarmuid Murphys task was a lot easier that Shane Ryans is now.
Back then the kickout was from the edge of the square and it was a case of kicking in the direction of the Fear Laider with Galvin in the vacinity for the ground war.
I am in total awe of Shane Ryan. I think he is unreal.
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Post by ciarrai78 on Jul 27, 2022 16:26:28 GMT
It’s an impossible task for me to pick a best Kerry 15 from this era, but as I was musing over this at lunchtime, I had a go at selecting a best 15 since ’97 from the North Kerry district. All have played senior championship with the exception of the Goalkeeper who featured at junior level. (*Conor Cox only made senior league appearances for Kerry)
1. Sean Dee (Beale)
2. Stephen Stack (Emmets)
3. Jason Foley (Ballydonoghue)
4. Shane Enright (Tarbert)
5. Brian Maguire (Emmets)
6. Liam Flaherty (Ballydonoghue)
7. Eamonn Breen (Finuge)
8. Paddy Kelly (Ballylongford)
9. Anthony Maher (Duagh)
10. Paul Galvin (Finuge)
11. Eamonn Fitzmaurice (Finuge)
12. Tadgh Kennelly (Emmets)
13. Paddy Curtin (Moyvane)
14. Noel Kennelly (Emmets)
15. Conor Cox* (Emmets)
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Post by peanuts on Jul 27, 2022 16:41:40 GMT
its a great team but the crazy think here is youve left out 3 footballers of the year in Galvin, Donaghy and JOD!!!!Mike Frank, Mike Mccarthy, Liam Flaherty (even though only played 2 of the 25 years really). Cinnede, the list is endless I left out Galvin and Donaghy because of their discipline basically. They had an unfortunate capacity to lose it, and that's fine to be cranky and emotional and all that but in doing that you're leaving 14 lads down. Jod had 1 great year, MFR and Cinnide yes very good but they're no Gooch or MF, I won't even compare them to DC with respect! I don't think Donaghy had a discipline problem. I can only remember him getting sent off in 2017 against Mayo and that was when the game was over and in 2006 against Cork in the drawn MF. |
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Post by dc84 on Jul 27, 2022 16:57:59 GMT
I got greedy and picked a squad of 30 serious a vs b games here killarney would be full if there was open training !
1. Diarmuid Murphy
2. Marc o se
3. Jason foley
4.tom sullivan (rathmore)
5. Tomas o se
6. Aidan o Mahoney
7. Seamus Moynihan
8. Dara o se
9. David moran
10. Paul galvin
11.sean o shea
12.declan o sullivan
13. Gooch
14. David Clifford
15. Maurice Fitzgerald
2nd 15
1.shane ryan
2.tom sull (dingle)
3.mike mcarthy
4.mike hasset
5.liam flaherty
6.eamonn fitzmaurice
7.gavin white
8.donal daly
9.anthony Maher
10.donnacha walsh
11.Bryan sheehan
12.sean ban o sullivan
13.jonnhy crowley
14.kieren donaghy
15. Mf russell
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Post by john4 on Jul 27, 2022 17:10:48 GMT
It’s an impossible task for me to pick a best Kerry 15 from this era, but as I was musing over this at lunchtime, I had a go at selecting a best 15 since ’97 from the North Kerry district. All have played senior championship with the exception of the Goalkeeper who featured at junior level. (*Conor Cox only made senior league appearances for Kerry) 1. Sean Dee (Beale) 2. Stephen Stack (Emmets) 3. Jason Foley (Ballydonoghue) 4. Shane Enright (Tarbert) 5. Brian Maguire (Emmets) 6. Liam Flaherty (Ballydonoghue) 7. Eamonn Breen (Finuge) 8. Paddy Kelly (Ballylongford) 9. Anthony Maher (Duagh) 10. Paul Galvin (Finuge) 11. Eamonn Fitzmaurice (Finuge) 12. Tadgh Kennelly (Emmets) 13. Paddy Curtin (Moyvane) 14. Noel Kennelly (Emmets) 15. Conor Cox* (Emmets) East Kerry 15; 1. Shane Ryan 2. Fionn Fitzgerald 3. Mike McCarthy 4. Tom O'Sullivan 5. Paul Murphy 6. Aiden O'Mahony 7. Seamus Moynihan 8. Donal Daly 9. Johnny Buckley 10. Dara Moynihan 11. Gooch 12. Paudie Clifford 13. James O'Donoghue 14. David Clifford 15. Johnny Crowley |
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Post by horsebox77 on Jul 27, 2022 17:44:05 GMT
It's strange not many are considering Sheehan as a midfield option.
He did win an all star in that position
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Post by clarinman on Jul 27, 2022 19:08:51 GMT
I got greedy and picked a squad of 30 serious a vs b games here killarney would be full if there was open training ! 1. Diarmuid Murphy 2. Marc o se 3. Jason foley 4.tom sullivan (rathmore) 5. Tomas o se 6. Aidan o Mahoney 7. Seamus Moynihan 8. Dara o se 9. David moran 10. Paul galvin 11.sean o shea 12.declan o sullivan 13. Gooch 14. David Clifford 15. Maurice Fitzgerald 2nd 15 1.shane ryan 2.tom sull (dingle) 3.mike mcarthy 4.mike hasset 5.liam flaherty 6.eamonn fitzmaurice 7.gavin white 8.donal daly 9.anthony Maher 10.donnacha walsh 11.Bryan sheehan 12.sean ban o sullivan 13.jonnhy crowley 14.kieren donaghy 15. Mf russell James O'Donoghue doesn't make your 30? |
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Post by taibhse on Jul 27, 2022 19:19:53 GMT
I think I am correct in thinking that while Brian Sheehan has five All Ireland medals, he didn't start any of those games but came on as a sub. That being the case, it would be difficult to regard him as our best No 11 over that period. Fine player though and a great servant to Kerry.
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Post by dc84 on Jul 27, 2022 20:06:39 GMT
I got greedy and picked a squad of 30 serious a vs b games here killarney would be full if there was open training ! 1. Diarmuid Murphy 2. Marc o se 3. Jason foley 4.tom sullivan (rathmore) 5. Tomas o se 6. Aidan o Mahoney 7. Seamus Moynihan 8. Dara o se 9. David moran 10. Paul galvin 11.sean o shea 12.declan o sullivan 13. Gooch 14. David Clifford 15. Maurice Fitzgerald 2nd 15 1.shane ryan 2.tom sull (dingle) 3.mike mcarthy 4.mike hasset 5.liam flaherty 6.eamonn fitzmaurice 7.gavin white 8.donal daly 9.anthony Maher 10.donnacha walsh 11.Bryan sheehan 12.sean ban o sullivan 13.jonnhy crowley 14.kieren donaghy 15. Mf russell James O'Donoghue doesn't make your 30? Jesus i knew there was someone! Mustve killed more brain cells than i thought the weekend 😆 |
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Post by dc84 on Jul 27, 2022 20:08:10 GMT
I got greedy and picked a squad of 30 serious a vs b games here killarney would be full if there was open training ! 1. Diarmuid Murphy 2. Marc o se 3. Jason foley 4.tom sullivan (rathmore) 5. Tomas o se 6. Aidan o Mahoney 7. Seamus Moynihan 8. Dara o se 9. David moran 10. Paul galvin 11.sean o shea 12.declan o sullivan 13. Gooch 14. David Clifford 15. Maurice Fitzgerald 2nd 15 1.shane ryan 2.tom sull (dingle) 3.mike mcarthy 4.mike hasset 5.liam flaherty 6.eamonn fitzmaurice 7.gavin white 8.donal daly 9.anthony Maher 10.donnacha walsh 11.Bryan sheehan 12.sean ban o sullivan 13.jonnhy crowley 14.kieren donaghy 15. Mf russell When one looks at a team they see different things. Donal Daly and Anthony Maher midfield. Wow they would have been some pairing. Two big strong lads that could move too. Always thought daly was underrated myself |
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