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Post by exiled on Jul 11, 2022 20:12:08 GMT
Might not have anything to do with the final as such but I think it's disgraceful that Croke Park have closed part of the Nally for RTE to erect a temporary studio and preventing about 5,000 people getting in. It was the reason there wasn't over 80,000 there yesterday and I hope that it won't be the case for the All Ireland Finals. The stadium should be filled to capacity. Whu can't RTE use the studio on the corporate boxes they've used for years. Don't think it's the case as regards the crowd yesterday as I had spare tickets and couldn't give them away.
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Post by The16thMan on Jul 11, 2022 20:28:18 GMT
Might not have anything to do with the final as such but I think it's disgraceful that Croke Park have closed part of the Nally for RTE to erect a temporary studio and preventing about 5,000 people getting in. It was the reason there wasn't over 80,000 there yesterday and I hope that it won't be the case for the All Ireland Finals. The stadium should be filled to capacity. Whu can't RTE use the studio on the corporate boxes they've used for years. Don't think it's the case as regards the crowd yesterday as I had spare tickets and couldn't give them away. Maybe right but I definitely think the full Nally should be open for the finals. A shame for 5,000 people to miss out on account of RTE having an outdoor studio.
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Post by horsebox77 on Jul 11, 2022 21:14:36 GMT
I don’t get the anti-Jack brigade, Christ the improvement in twelve months is staggering, ok granted under PK we were not far off the mark, but a more solidified defensive unit, a hardened edge, no new players but others have been reenergised and we have serious benefits under the new guard.
Similarly, brought in brains and experience with him. I just don’t get it.
For this game, it may be a horses for courses run. Galway like to clog the flanks, which may be more tailored for a direct onslaught through the centre. Our back six will be as is, unless Gavin White is out, if this is the case I expect Gavin Crowley to come in with Murphy still held in reserve.
Geaney is a big game player and in all honesty, the final could be exactly that, his final in a Kerry jersey, the fact that Galway are perceived to be vulnerable in the air, for this reason the Dingle man will be retained, I though Stephen O’Brien got the run around from James McCarthy but McCarthy is a class class player who I have huge admiration for. Because of the flanks being used I am leaning more towards both Dara and Adrain starting with the Na Gaeil duo getting the nod, Moran is better served off the bench, his error for the goal is testament to tired body tired mind, just not tuned in … can’t risk things on the biggest day.
I have to reiterate the display of Shane Ryan and Briòn O’Beagloich, time and time again made himself available for the short kick out, this ploy will be badly need too Sunday week.
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Post by Mickmack on Jul 11, 2022 21:20:54 GMT
Here is how Galway beat Armagh
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Post by Whosinmidfield on Jul 11, 2022 21:28:04 GMT
We only had three backs on the bench yesterday - Murphy, G Crowley & Jack O'Shea who I don't think has played a minute of championship. Bare enough. I wonder if someone like Dan O'Donoghue could come back into the bench if White is missing. Galway have a couple of tall half forwards in Kelly and Tierney. They might target Murphy if he starts. The other obvious option is Gavin Crowley with Adrian Spillane an outside bet. It looked to me that it was Adrian who went back there when Gavin went off and Joe O'Connor came on. You are right, though, if Gavin White is out we do need another back on the bench. That’s a good point, Crowley may well be the pick so. I would have expected Dan O’Donoghue to be on the bench ahead of Jack O’Shea even accounting for time missed due to injury. I wonder what is the story there?
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Post by Mickmack on Jul 12, 2022 9:27:00 GMT
Galway looked a very potent scoring team against Armagh with everyone from 8 to 15 scoring from play plus one of the half backs too. Plus a sub half back also scored from play.
Armagh let you play though.
Against Derry, Galway got 2.08.
Comer got 2.02 from play. The second goal was farce as we know.
John Daly and Johnny Heaney kicked a point each.
Shane Walsh got 4 points. One was a 45 and the other were from frees and a few of those frees were very marginal.
I imagine Jack and Paddy Tally will be planning to give Galway more of the Derry approach than the Armagh approach. Not the full Derry approach obviously but Galway will hurt you if given time and space. Finnerty got 4 points v Armagh for example. Nothing v Derry.
Kerry will need to be keeping Galway to 12 or 13 points in total.
We need others to be scoring apart from DC, SoS and Paudie. Dara got a point. No score from Killian, SoB, Geaney, Adrian. Nothing from midfield. In general there wasnt much scoring threat off the bench v Dublin.
Galway are the polar opposite of Mayo in their outlook. Once a generation Galway can rise up, stride into the City and make off with the All Ireland. Look what they did in 1998. Kildare knocked out the All Ireland champions of 1995, 1996 and 1997 on their way to the final. It took Galway 3 games to get over Roscommon in Connacht. But in one second half of football, Galway won the 1998 All Ireland. As he bade farewell to his father on the day before the final Padraigh Joyce told said to his father that he expected to be returning with an All Ireland medal, an All Star and Footballer of the year. He did.
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Post by thehermit on Jul 12, 2022 9:27:20 GMT
Since 2000 Kerry have played in 14 All Ireland Finals their record currently standing as 6 won, drawn 2 and 6 lost (02,05,08,11,15,19).
That's not a hugely impressive return, 3 All Ireland finals left behind us in the last ten years alone. We are currently enduring the second longest Famine of senior AI titles in 50 years.
There can be absolutely no place for complacency over the next two weeks by the team or by us supporters. Every one of those six All Ireland defeats was preventable, they were winnable games.
We just have to be ready for a massive, massive challenge in 12 days time. This Famine has to end and if this team fall at the final hurdle Sunday will all have been for nought and Seanie's heroics consigned to a footnote of Kerry GAA history.
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Post by thehermit on Jul 12, 2022 9:34:06 GMT
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Post by kerryforliam on Jul 12, 2022 9:52:45 GMT
Can't wait to be in killarney monday week watching sam come home. The pessimism on here is unreal - galway had the handiest route to the final imaginable. Kerry could win this by 10+.
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Post by keane on Jul 12, 2022 10:15:07 GMT
How many scorable frees did we give away against Dublin I wonder? Dean Rock kicked three and missed one that I can remember - was that it? Four seems like a low number considering the tension and intensity of the game
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Post by Kingdomson on Jul 12, 2022 10:44:45 GMT
No more margin for error with a Kerry team that is reaching peak maturity Colm Keys
A riveting battle, endless talking points, moments of David Clifford magic, old Dublin soldiers dying on their shields and above all a dramatic finish. But a classic of the genre?
Yes it had a lot, more than anything else this year but maybe that itself colours opinion now, the want in everyone for a game like it.
For entertainment and pulsating action it fell below the 2013 and 2016 All-Ireland semi-finals between these great rivals, some of those long spells of second half pedestrian keep ball not too different, if nowhere near as sustained, as the evening before. A magnificent finale can’t conceal everything.
For attacking quality it couldn’t match the 2019 All-Ireland replay either. Five players scored four points from play that evening, something so rare, if not unprecedented, at that level. For Dublin Con O’Callaghan, Paul Mannion and Ciarán Kilkenny, for Kerry, Clifford and Paul Geaney.
Mannion has moved on and O’Callaghan was out with injury which, as Jack O’Connor was willing to acknowledge afterwards, was a little bit of luck on their behalf.
But for tension and perhaps now consequence it had more of a feel of the 2011 All-Ireland final to it. Even the scorelines weren’t too far off it.
That was the day of course that Dublin broke a long sequence of championship defeats to Kerry, the 1978, 1979, 1984 and 1985 All-Ireland finals, the 2001 (replay), 2004 and 2009 All-Ireland quarter-finals and the 2007 All-Ireland semi-final, nine games including the draw in 2001 where Kerry always found a way.
But 2011 flicked a switch in Dublin and for six games between them, including four All-Ireland finals, it was Kerry who were agonisingly kept at arm’s length.
Now Seán O’Shea’s winner appears to have given Kerry the initiative, just as Stephen Cluxton’s did in 2011. But will there be the same consequence, the same prolonged dominance in this storied duopoly?
Don’t bank on it.
The weight lifted from Kerry shoulders will surely be the catalyst now to push on and win a 38th All-Ireland title. Mayo and Donegal couldn’t capitalise when they’ve beaten this Dublin team or its predecessor in All-Ireland semi-finals in the last decade but Kerry are wired differently as their place in the roll of honour suggests.
And they have an old dog for the hard road at the head of affairs, a man in the business of getting the business done as his record suggests too. To oversee league and championship in the first year of each of his three terms in charge really would be a special achievement, irrespective of Kerry’s perpetual competitiveness.
O’Connor will need all his deflationary powers to bring it home that a dangerous Galway, albeit a Galway team that have pushed on further that they might have expected, still lurk.
This Kerry team still hovers on the cliff edge.
They found as many ways to lose last Sunday’s semi-final as Dublin found to win it and repeated some of the same mistakes that have cost them in similar situations before. Stephen O’Brien’s botched a very good goal chance early in the second half at the same end as the chances against Tyrone last year and Dublin in the 2019 replay.
Dublin have regressed since 2019 on absentees alone yet they were just one last piece of composure away from inflicting a wound on Kerry that would have taken longer that those inflicted by Cork and Tyrone in successive years to heal.
Understandably, they played with an edge and a nervousness that they’ll hope will release now to deliver a liberating performance from this group.
But the lack of impact off the bench, something they’d have banked on beforehand, will be a concern.
They are coming close, if they’re not already there, to the peak of their maturity.
At 23 David Clifford and Diarmuid O’Connor are their youngest players. The core of the team are now in the 25-26 age bracket, commensurate with the first of the two minor teams that completed five-in-a-row between 2014 and 2018.
Off those teams, anyone who should be there is there now. The 2018 team still has to contribute but there aren’t many jumping off the page in Kerry. What they have, it seems they have.
And there is no more margin for error.
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Post by dc84 on Jul 12, 2022 10:45:47 GMT
How many scorable frees did we give away against Dublin I wonder? Dean Rock kicked three and missed one that I can remember - was that it? Four seems like a low number considering the tension and intensity of the game I did flag this prior! Do the same thing sunday week and it will go a long way to victory. Foley on comer with morley helping tom sull on walsh? Beaglaoich could do a job here aswell with tom on finnerty and driving forward finnerty is a great old school scoring forward but defensively he isnt great hay could be made there. Hope white is ok he defended superbly well on sunday. The galway goalie is there to be attacked aswell i think we will be braver than sunday aswell and if we get ahead we will kick for home their midfield is probably stronger than ours but if we keep moran in reserve we can have a better hold towards the end.
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Post by Kingdomson on Jul 12, 2022 10:49:38 GMT
We as Kerry supporters remain rightly euphoric after the epic semi-final and savouring a hard won victory over Dublin. For the Kerry squad, Jack and all involved no doubt the full focus is rightfully on unfinished business.
Through my parents and elders who had experienced the games of the 60s, a healthy respect for Galway football and its traditions was instilled. As we’ve seen with clubs, schools, colleges, and underage through the years when a Galway team are in a semi-final or final the steely mindedness and winning belief is there backed up with top class footballers. St Brendan's College, Killarney is famed as a Kerry footballing alma mater down the years but when any Kerry schools team is facing St Jarlath’s College, Tuam, the back straightens and you know an almighty battle awaits.
It can be argued with some justification that Galway seniors through the years have underachieved given their undoubted pedigree. However, when a Galway senior team get it together they can mushroom overnight. Back in 2000 we travelled to Croke Park confident having seen Kerry steel forged in fire through those incredible battles with Armagh. My father attended the Galway game with me was way more weary as the scars of those 60s defeats ran deep. Galway were a proven team having beaten a Mick O’Dwyer trained Kildare team in the 1998 All Ireland, and by God did they bring it in 2000. No question they should have won the game the first day out and had the opportunity to do so. They took us down a dark tunnel in that second half of day one and we were lucky to survive. We indeed proved to be the better team on day two and the 2000 victory by Kerry was one of our sweetest, not just because it was millennium year, but it was such a hard earned title. Joyce like Kevin Walsh before him has referenced 2000 as the one that got away. Walsh got a victory as manager over us back in 2018 and Padraig Joyce wants this All Ireland badly, and the honour of achieving it at the expense of Kerry will not be lost on him.
Trust those of us who have seen this before when we say on the 24th July 2022 Galway will bring it – big time. We were overall the better team against Dublin on Sunday and deserved the win but we fell over the line too. The structure of our defence was the bedrock of our victory last Sunday but some of the bad habits and poor decision-making and errors from midfield up in that second half could have seen Sunday so easily end in catastrophe once more.
When you’ve been involved in one of the greatest squandering of a goal opportunity ever seen in Croke Park back in 2021 and you get a chance to make amends in 2022, you don’t expect the same fella to pick the ball clean up off the ground and ruin it. When you are one of the finest handlers of a ball in Ireland let alone Kerry and you drop a handpass that allows Dublin to counter and turn the contest on it’s head – there was a real sense of - Oh No - here we go again! I’m delighted for those Kerry players especially we escaped to victory in the semi-final. It won’t be lost on Galway management that Kerry got fairly nervy in the second half against Dublin (we all did).
Padraig Joyce and Cian O’Neill will be determined to at least keep this game close and Kerry on edge. What if this Kerry team find themselves behind and having to chase this game in Croke Park? Galway will be determined to pose the questions and Kerry we hope will have answers. I’m especially hoping that now a huge mental pressure and a lot of baggage was lifted off the shoulders of this Kerry team with the victory over Dublin they will seize a massive opportunity. We now know Kerry are good enough to win this All Ireland but it still has to be earned and they will have to go do it. This is a hugely likeable group of Kerry players and a credit to themselves, family and clubs, and I hope they achieve the ultimate ambition for a Kerry footballer.
Up the Kingdom!
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Post by Mickmack on Jul 12, 2022 10:53:44 GMT
To beat Kerry now, opponents will need to be well able to kick long range points. Dublin dont have that in their game anymore. McCarthys effort excepted.
Dublin only got one shot at Shane Ryan. I dont think Mayo got any.
Kerry were caught for the breakaway goal but it was an exceptional finish.
Kerry have stopped giving lots of 'baby frees' away within scoring range.
So by stopping the concession of poor goals and more disciplined defending Kerry are harder to beat.
Galway do have the ability to kick points from distance though as they showed by Armagh. They are better than Dublin in that facet now.
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Post by Kingdomson on Jul 12, 2022 10:59:09 GMT
I agree Mickmack. Galway have a better forward line than we faced against Dublin minus King Con.
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Post by clarinman on Jul 12, 2022 11:35:52 GMT
To beat Kerry now, opponents will need to be well able to kick long range points. Dublin dont have that in their game anymore. McCarthys effort excepted. Dublin only got one shot at Shane Ryan. I dont think Mayo got any. Kerry were caught for the breakaway goal but it was an exceptional finish. Kerry have stopped giving lots of 'baby frees' away within scoring range. So by stopping the concession of poor goals and more disciplined defending Kerry are harder to beat. Galway do have the ability to kick points from distance though as they showed by Armagh. They are better than Dublin in that facet now. I'm not so sure about your last point Mick. Galway had some poor wides on Saturday. Of their 4 points from play, only one was from distance - Daly. Shane Walsh scored one point from play in 180 minutes against Armagh and Derry. Finnerty is accurate if given space but doesn't like to be tightly marked as he was last weekend and in Connacht against Mayo. Comer is the man to stop. Tierney can score from distance at centre forward. We will need to keep a tight rein on Conroy and McDaid as they can score from midfield. I think that it's the other half of the field where Kerry have the big advantage. Galway are ok at 3 and 6 but I'm not sure that Glynn, McHugh and Molloy are up to this level defensively. Roscommon took Galway for 1-20 in the league final. Add to the that their struggles under the high ball and the goalkeeper issue. Kerry also have a much stronger bench. Joyce always seems to go to O'Laoi as his first sub. He is regarded by many as an average club forward in Galway. I think the Armagh game showed that Joyce does not trust his bench as he did not make a sub until the 69th minute. He will need to use the bench against Kerry as the game intensity will be much higher.
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Post by MeathExile on Jul 12, 2022 11:46:31 GMT
Since 2000 Kerry have played in 14 All Ireland Finals their record currently standing as 6 won, drawn 2 and 6 lost (02,05,08,11,15,19). That's not a hugely impressive return, 3 All Ireland finals left behind us in the last ten years alone. We are currently enduring the second longest Famine of senior AI titles in 50 years. There can be absolutely no place for complacency over the next two weeks by the team or by us supporters. Every one of those six All Ireland defeats was preventable, they were winnable games. We just have to be ready for a massive, massive challenge in 12 days time. This Famine has to end and if this team fall at the final hurdle Sunday will all have been for nought and Seanie's heroics consigned to a footnote of Kerry GAA history. I believe our overall record is: Won 37 Lost 39 So the record since 2000 is consistent with the overall record. It just goes to show - you have to keep turning up to win, and its hard to win them when you get there.
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Post by homerj on Jul 12, 2022 11:51:43 GMT
Galway is a huge challenge and its ideal for them. they will relish the underdog chance and its all set up for them.
we can win of course, but so can they. we need to play for 70 mins to win this.
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Post by givehimaball on Jul 12, 2022 11:53:18 GMT
How many scorable frees did we give away against Dublin I wonder? Dean Rock kicked three and missed one that I can remember - was that it? Four seems like a low number considering the tension and intensity of the game Scores conceded from deadballs (frees, marks,penalties and 45s) in the championship this year. 3 from 4 against Dublin 3 from 5 against Mayo 2 from 3 against Limerick 8 from 12 in those 3 games. Cork got 5 points from deadballs - don't have a number on how many chances they had. Not conceding frees is a vital part of good defending in Gaelic football given the scoring rate for frees compared to kicks from play.
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Post by john4 on Jul 12, 2022 11:53:33 GMT
Cian O'Neill et al will look to turn this All-Ireland final into a most awful spectacle. Anyone looking for an entertaining football match on Sunday week would want to be going somewhere other than Croke Park.
We all remember how Cork set up in 2020, I don't expect much of a variation from this.
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Post by brucewayne on Jul 12, 2022 12:06:28 GMT
How many scorable frees did we give away against Dublin I wonder? Dean Rock kicked three and missed one that I can remember - was that it? Four seems like a low number considering the tension and intensity of the game
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Post by Sons of Pitches on Jul 12, 2022 12:32:47 GMT
Wouldn't surprise me if Covid took out a player or two in each camp.
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Post by Mickmack on Jul 12, 2022 12:48:21 GMT
To beat Kerry now, opponents will need to be well able to kick long range points. Dublin dont have that in their game anymore. McCarthys effort excepted. Dublin only got one shot at Shane Ryan. I dont think Mayo got any. Kerry were caught for the breakaway goal but it was an exceptional finish. Kerry have stopped giving lots of 'baby frees' away within scoring range. So by stopping the concession of poor goals and more disciplined defending Kerry are harder to beat. Galway do have the ability to kick points from distance though as they showed by Armagh. They are better than Dublin in that facet now. I'm not so sure about your last point Mick. Galway had some poor wides on Saturday. Of their 4 points from play, only one was from distance - Daly. Shane Walsh scored one point from play in 180 minutes against Armagh and Derry. Finnerty is accurate if given space but doesn't like to be tightly marked as he was last weekend and in Connacht against Mayo. Comer is the man to stop. Tierney can score from distance at centre forward. We will need to keep a tight rein on Conroy and McDaid as they can score from midfield. I think that it's the other half of the field where Kerry have the big advantage. Galway are ok at 3 and 6 but I'm not sure that Glynn, McHugh and Molloy are up to this level defensively. Roscommon took Galway for 1-20 in the league final. Add to the that their struggles under the high ball and the goalkeeper issue. Kerry also have a much stronger bench. Joyce always seems to go to O'Laoi as his first sub. He is regarded by many as an average club forward in Galway. I think the Armagh game showed that Joyce does not trust his bench as he did not make a sub until the 69th minute. He will need to use the bench against Kerry as the game intensity will be much higher. I hope you are right about the Galway defense. Kieran Molloy seems to me to be well able for this level. I would totally disregard the league final. They didnt even play the two Kellys and they were fit apparently.
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Post by clarinman on Jul 12, 2022 13:17:55 GMT
I'm not so sure about your last point Mick. Galway had some poor wides on Saturday. Of their 4 points from play, only one was from distance - Daly. Shane Walsh scored one point from play in 180 minutes against Armagh and Derry. Finnerty is accurate if given space but doesn't like to be tightly marked as he was last weekend and in Connacht against Mayo. Comer is the man to stop. Tierney can score from distance at centre forward. We will need to keep a tight rein on Conroy and McDaid as they can score from midfield. I think that it's the other half of the field where Kerry have the big advantage. Galway are ok at 3 and 6 but I'm not sure that Glynn, McHugh and Molloy are up to this level defensively. Roscommon took Galway for 1-20 in the league final. Add to the that their struggles under the high ball and the goalkeeper issue. Kerry also have a much stronger bench. Joyce always seems to go to O'Laoi as his first sub. He is regarded by many as an average club forward in Galway. I think the Armagh game showed that Joyce does not trust his bench as he did not make a sub until the 69th minute. He will need to use the bench against Kerry as the game intensity will be much higher. I hope you are right about the Galway defense. Kieran Molloy seems to me to be well able for this level. I would totally disregard the league final. They didnt even play the two Kellys and they were fit apparently. Sean Kelly played midfield in the league final. Molloy was full back and was destroyed by Donie Smith. This led to Sean Kellys move to full back for the Connacht quarter final against Mayo. Patrick Kelly came on in second half of League final. Molloy is a very good attacking half back but he does struggle defensively and tends to give away soft frees when under pressure.
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Post by kerryforliam on Jul 12, 2022 13:30:26 GMT
Galway is a huge challenge and its ideal for them. they will relish the underdog chance and its all set up for them. we can win of course, but so can they. we need to play for 70 mins to win this. Excellent insight.
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Post by Jo90 on Jul 12, 2022 13:35:35 GMT
Wouldn't surprise me if Covid took out a player or two in each camp. Zero chance. How many soccer players, Gaelic footballers and hurlers have missed games in the last 4 months with COVID even though it's been at its most rampant? It's been a case of 'ask me no questions and I'll tell you no lies'. Unless David Clifford gets injured in training and then 23 of the Kerry squad will have gotten COVID 😉
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Post by kerrybhoy06 on Jul 12, 2022 13:35:36 GMT
Wouldn't surprise me if Covid took out a player or two in each camp. If it does then we should refuse to play until we have a full team, citing precedent
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Post by Jo90 on Jul 12, 2022 13:42:23 GMT
I hope you are right about the Galway defense. Kieran Molloy seems to me to be well able for this level. I would totally disregard the league final. They didnt even play the two Kellys and they were fit apparently. Sean Kelly played midfield in the league final. Molloy was full back and was destroyed by Donie Smith. This led to Sean Kellys move to full back for the Connacht quarter final against Mayo. Patrick Kelly came on in second half of League final. Molloy is a very good attacking half back but he does struggle defensively and tends to give away soft frees when under pressure. Sean Kelly kept David Clifford scoreless from play in the Sigerson final. Impressive to put on the CV but probably can't read too much into it as far as the final is concerned as it was a brutal night for football, and UL were missing Powter so Clifford didn't get anything like the service he should get Sunday week. David Clifford scored a brilliant penalty that night though, maybe he should try it for the seniors. I believe he was a central defender when he was on the Kerry u14 soccer team so wouldn't have much dead ball experience from that regard.
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Post by Jo90 on Jul 12, 2022 13:44:51 GMT
Might not have anything to do with the final as such but I think it's disgraceful that Croke Park have closed part of the Nally for RTE to erect a temporary studio and preventing about 5,000 people getting in. It was the reason there wasn't over 80,000 there yesterday and I hope that it won't be the case for the All Ireland Finals. The stadium should be filled to capacity. Whu can't RTE use the studio on the corporate boxes they've used for years. Don't think it's the case as regards the crowd yesterday as I had spare tickets and couldn't give them away. Yeah, there were tonnes of tickets about so doubt the Nally stand not being available affected attendance that much.
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Post by Kerryman Randy Savage on Jul 12, 2022 13:51:05 GMT
Wouldn't surprise me if Covid took out a player or two in each camp. If it does then we should refuse to play until we have a full team, citing precedent What precedent? Kerry agreed to the delay v Tyrone and not the GAA. Galway could win by default as a result.
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