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Post by maolla on Jun 16, 2022 22:43:27 GMT
ciarraimick… As a Mayo supporter I’d love the opportunity to find out if indeed I’d be a “nasty winner” :-). My elderly mother was at the 51 final… I’ll be sure to chastise her. Looking forward to this one. Genuinely can say, more in hope than expectation. Think a nice wet day might help add to the uncertainty.
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Post by exiled on Jun 17, 2022 1:04:48 GMT
I fail to see why some posters here seem to have an agenda against supporters from certain counties. As a Kerryman in exile for 40 years I can openly admit that most Kerry supporters think we have a God given right to win. I've lived in many places and basically people are very similar. Armagh supporters booing last week pissed me off but I won't be abusing them if we meet them Meet people at your level not theirs. By the way Kerry have lost most finals.
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Post by mayofan1 on Jun 17, 2022 4:59:31 GMT
Pointless beating Dublin along the way unless you go on and win the bloody thing. Unfortunately that’s our fate so far. Our final record is pathetic and embarrassing. Last years non show in the final was the worst of them all. It could be a long time before we are back in a final again. Yes indeed but that's the problem with Mayo. They beat a big team and then fail and their supporters get excited Nothing wrong with getting excited. It’s all Part of sport. However the view that Mayo people go daft in the build up to every final is bullsh1t because I haven’t seen it in recent years. There were actually complaints on local radio here about a lack of colour, flags etc before last years final. Mayo supporters never lost the team any game. Horans tactics or rather lack of them had a big part to play in last years final.
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Post by horsebox77 on Jun 17, 2022 6:45:32 GMT
I would go one step more and allege sticking with or accommodating one 'high profile' player being Horan's downfall.... especially when said player influences team selections.
Maybe it's a Connacht thing? A now retired high profile player in Galway used to dictate the same, however as perverse as that is, at least he could back it up on the hurling field and when it mattered.
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Post by Mickmack on Jun 17, 2022 7:55:36 GMT
Yes indeed but that's the problem with Mayo. They beat a big team and then fail and their supporters get excited Nothing wrong with getting excited. It’s all Part of sport. However the view that Mayo people go daft in the build up to every final is bullsh1t because I haven’t seen it in recent years. There were actually complaints on local radio here about a lack of colour, flags etc before last years final. Mayo supporters never lost the team any game. Horans tactics or rather lack of them had a big part to play in last years final. I have more friends from Mayo than any other county funnily enough and its true that they would hardly engage about last years final before the game. Afraid to dream i suppose. If you compare the records over the past 5 years, Mayos record in probably better than Kerry. 2017...Mayo beat Kerry in Croke Park in the championship 2018 ... no show by both when it mattered 2019...Kerry did better in reaching the final and forcing a replay 2020.. no show by Kerry. Mayo reached the final 2021.... Mayo reached the final by beating Dublin. Another screw up by Kerry. When you compare the underage success since 2014, it is arguable that it is Kerry who are the bigger under achievers of the two in recent years.
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Post by The16thMan on Jun 17, 2022 8:03:00 GMT
Only Hill 16 tickets left on sale a week out from the game. Nally still closed however. This could be close to a sell out unless more tickets get released later next week. Croker hasn't sold out since 2019 final so am absolutely buzzing for this 😋
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Post by mayo365 on Jun 17, 2022 10:04:09 GMT
How ye all, decided to stick the head in here once the draw was made. First off I can only speak for myself, but its the worst draw possible for us. I’d have taken Derry all day long, but here we are. Extremely nervous owing to our lack of top class forwards, in Conroy and O’Donoghue. Just cannot see where we will get the scores against a now well organised Kerry defence. James Carr hasn’t fulfilled his early potential and Orme is extremely erratic. Carney is doing okay against lesser teams, but was taken off during league final as he couldn’t operate while being suffocated by Kerry backs. The like of Disrmuid snd Cillian will need 4 or 5 from play each, if we are going to rack up a winning score.
Cork showed how to half contain Clifford, but Horan won’t implement the same tactics. He’ll leave Mullin one on one, which actually robs us of our best runner from deep. He’ll still bomb forward, but not as frequently as if he was CHB.
I agree with the other Mayo poster above, theirs been no hype here since maybe 2012/13 when it cones to the final. Its lazy analysis, and grates the hell out of me. If anything we are too wrapped with nerves, and afraid to dream. Each final loss only intensifies the nerves for the next. A part of me died in a sporting sense, in the upper Cusack last September. The worst feeling I ever had at a final. That includes the hammerings taken by ye in the noughties. That was the one that got away, and I think the players know it too.
Sorry about the long winded post, theirs some very knowledgable and well balanced opinions on here. Hope ye have the ticket secured.
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Post by buck02 on Jun 17, 2022 10:25:48 GMT
Mayo have played real championship games against Galway, Monaghan and Kildare in the last 8 weeks. All Division 1 teams.
Kerry have played Cork and Limerick. The last game with any real intensity we played was against Mayo in Tralee.
There is always a big championship performance in Mayo. I can't trust this Kerry team until they win an all Ireland. If Clifford isn't fit and if Kerry aren't "at it" then Mayo will win.
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Post by mayofan1 on Jun 17, 2022 10:43:06 GMT
Is Clifford fit lads? A Kerry friend of mine tells me he isn’t but I won’t believe anything until throw in. I’m hoping Ryan O Donoughue might but feature at some stage for us but it’s like North Korea trying to get news out of county panels these days.
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Jun 17, 2022 10:51:50 GMT
Some of the Mayo interlopers (interloopers?!) coming in here showing good grace in the face of sharp comments.
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Jun 17, 2022 10:53:27 GMT
Is Clifford fit lads? A Kerry friend of mine tells me he isn’t but I won’t believe anything until throw in. I’m hoping Ryan O Donoughue might but feature at some stage for us but it’s like North Korea trying to get news out of county panels these days. Even if I heard something I wouldn't believe it. I would rather he out or in. If Clifford is 50-50 we lose if he plays (risk) and lose if he is rested (a perceived nay real slight on Mayo).
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Jun 17, 2022 11:05:44 GMT
How ye all, decided to stick the head in here once the draw was made. First off I can only speak for myself, but its the worst draw possible for us. I’d have taken Derry all day long, but here we are. Extremely nervous owing to our lack of top class forwards, in Conroy and O’Donoghue. Just cannot see where we will get the scores against a now well organised Kerry defence. James Carr hasn’t fulfilled his early potential and Orme is extremely erratic. Carney is doing okay against lesser teams, but was taken off during league final as he couldn’t operate while being suffocated by Kerry backs. The like of Disrmuid snd Cillian will need 4 or 5 from play each, if we are going to rack up a winning score. Cork showed how to half contain Clifford, but Horan won’t implement the same tactics. He’ll leave Mullin one on one, which actually robs us of our best runner from deep. He’ll still bomb forward, but not as frequently as if he was CHB. I agree with the other Mayo poster above, theirs been no hype here since maybe 2012/13 when it cones to the final. Its lazy analysis, and grates the hell out of me. If anything we are too wrapped with nerves, and afraid to dream. Each final loss only intensifies the nerves for the next. A part of me died in a sporting sense, in the upper Cusack last September. The worst feeling I ever had at a final. That includes the hammerings taken by ye in the noughties. That was the one that got away, and I think the players know it too. Sorry about the long winded post, theirs some very knowledgable and well balanced opinions on here. Hope ye have the ticket secured. I have supported Mayo at many final including 96 and last year and yes ye ré day will come. Maybe this year but I don't think so. My best friend in Dublin is a Mayo man and we go to alot of games together. However I'm my experience I have found an element of Mayo fans to be very unsporting when they win big games but I know it happens in all counties but that just my experience. Having said that if Mayo beat Kerry I'd probably support them in the aftermath. On Clifford I did nt hear anything solid but I see on hoganstand forum a Cavan poster claims he is gone for the year. These random rumours are bad enough in Kerry without importing more from HS.
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Post by KY50 on Jun 17, 2022 12:56:32 GMT
Mayo are always capable of one big performance every year, last year v Dublin remember They were missing 4 or 5 players the day of the league final and have had a number of tough matches since.
Last real match we had was v Tyrone in Killarney where we lost by one point
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Post by clarinman on Jun 17, 2022 13:47:12 GMT
Mayo are always capable of one big performance every year, last year v Dublin remember They were missing 4 or 5 players the day of the league final and have had a number of tough matches since. Last real match we had was v Tyrone in Killarney where we lost by one point I wouldn't read too much into that Tyrone game. Kerry were already qualified for the league final. Seanie O'Shea, Gavin White, Jack Barry, Paudie Clifford and Adrian Spillane didn't start that day.
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Post by Jo90 on Jun 17, 2022 14:27:15 GMT
. On Clifford I did nt hear anything solid but I see on hoganstand forum a Cavan poster claims he is gone for the year. He was flying fit in Fota last weekend. Are people saying something happened in the mean time?
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Post by horsebox77 on Jun 17, 2022 15:06:24 GMT
If I have learned anything is that HS cannot be depended on for accuracy on player availability or injury.
As hypercritical as this will come across, HS is fine within reason for discussions but not for accuracy of topic.
Hence the mass defection.
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Post by KY50 on Jun 17, 2022 15:23:28 GMT
Mayo are always capable of one big performance every year, last year v Dublin remember They were missing 4 or 5 players the day of the league final and have had a number of tough matches since. Last real match we had was v Tyrone in Killarney where we lost by one point I wouldn't read too much into that Tyrone game. Kerry were already qualified for the league final. Seanie O'Shea, Gavin White, Jack Barry, Paudie Clifford and Adrian Spillane didn't start that day. Fair enough, then last competitive game was early March
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Post by veteran on Jun 17, 2022 18:41:52 GMT
If this is just a rumour it would be good for the nerves to leave it off the Forum.
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Post by Kingdomson on Jun 17, 2022 19:15:12 GMT
Mayo have played real championship games against Galway, Monaghan and Kildare in the last 8 weeks. All Division 1 teams. Kerry have played Cork and Limerick. The last game with any real intensity we played was against Mayo in Tralee. There is always a big championship performance in Mayo. I can't trust this Kerry team until they win an all Ireland. If Clifford isn't fit and if Kerry aren't "at it" then Mayo will win. I agree with you Buck to a degree on the trust issue. However, I do think we'll get over Mayo but against Dublin we can't fully trust this Kerry team until they actually do it. I don't make excuses and facts are we haven't been good enough on the days we've been stopped since 2014, but if we can't beat this Mayo team even allowing for a big championship performance from them it will be a poor sign of us and where would we go from there? No more excuses or waiting for the future, it's here, and it's delivery time for this Kerry side. I wonder if we might see extra time in the first game and it could turn into a long day out yet. Still Kerry to prevail on this occasion.
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Post by fitz on Jun 17, 2022 19:19:20 GMT
He was flying fit in Fota last weekend. Are people saying something happened in the mean time? A Cavan man at work said he heard Clifford gone for the year but Kerry keeping it quiet. Also a Cavan poster on HS forum said Clifford gone for the year. The rumour must be circulating in Cavan. I have nt geard anything concrete at all. I would just say it's rumour. Cavan are gone for the year, no rumour needed
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Post by Attacking Wing Back on Jun 17, 2022 21:23:46 GMT
Haven't heard anything at all about Clifford. Personally would say it's just the usual rumors. If it does turn out to be true we have had plenty of time to plan for it since the Munster final.
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Post by taibhse on Jun 18, 2022 8:56:35 GMT
David Gough will be the ref. Probably the best of them at this stage.
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Jun 18, 2022 9:58:08 GMT
David Gough will be the ref. Probably the best of them at this stage. This is also my opinion and has been for a while.
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Post by thepromisedland on Jun 18, 2022 11:46:21 GMT
Hopefully we can do it next Sunday.From being up there for many years, I'd know there mindset pretty well, the people that is. I have still to get my ticket. Like I've reiterated already, I'm extremely fearful of an ambush and the wounded animal from the League Final from Mayo. Just a hunch I have. Hopefully, I'll be proven wrong and my fears allayed. Mayo will be very motivated for this, out to prove a point. Remember Tyrone last year, big win in the league, we lost to them in the semi. Have we learnt any lessons from that? All to be seen. No point in going into tactics, for all to be viewed. They will travel big next Sunday, so too will Armagh. I really hope we can do it, but I don't trust this Kerry team at all, until we win an All-Ireland. Many think this way too. Hopefully, it'll be an enjoyably day out. Hopefully the Clifford rumour is well...... just a rumour. As for for someone that said earlier, that there's an agenda by Kerry supporters towards supporters of other counties, is pure nincopoop. Kerry supporters would be pretty well liked universally and in general up and down the Emerald Isle, eventhough, we do have a few bad apples, which can cause hassle and give the county a bad name, like every county has. It's all to do with personal experiences. That's human nature, personal experiences can shape us. But it would be foolish, unfair and wrong to paint a county with the same brush just because of a few bad eggs.
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Post by The16thMan on Jun 18, 2022 11:53:36 GMT
David Clifford rumour is just that.. people from other counties spreading it just to scare the Kerry folk. He had a dead calf after Cork which doesn't takke long to heal. He will be fine.
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Post by Mickmack on Jun 18, 2022 12:34:17 GMT
David Gough will be the ref. Probably the best of them at this stage. Happy with him too. He should never ref games involving Dublin....thats my only gripe with him.
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Post by sullyschoice on Jun 18, 2022 13:28:37 GMT
Eoin O Donnell the Dublin hurling fullback who was drafted into the football panel was brought in specifically with the job of marking David Clifford in the Semi Final. You heard it here first.
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Post by horsebox77 on Jun 18, 2022 13:31:53 GMT
David Gough will be the ref. Probably the best of them at this stage. Happy with him too. He should never ref games involving Dublin....thats my only gripe with him. I think Gough will be met with universal approval in Kerry, he is in my opinion currently the best and most fair as far as I’m concerned, with regard to not reffing a Dublin game, I would actually disagree, I though he was more than fair and equal in the drawn 2019 final, not many referees had the balls to give the likes of Johnny Cooper his marching orders within the first thirty minutes, but he didn’t flinch, gave due warning and when enough was enough, the red was banished. I had actually hoped he would be kept in reserve for a potential semi, for me that means if the two favourites progress and it is indeed a Kerry/Dublin semi final, than Lane or Cassidy will be the man in the middle with Gough primed for the big day.
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Post by blacksheep21 on Jun 18, 2022 13:46:54 GMT
Eoin O Donnell the Dublin hurling fullback who was drafted into the football panel was brought in specifically with the job of marking David Clifford in the Semi Final. You heard it here first. 😂😂 I thought that was common knowledge
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Post by Mickmack on Jun 18, 2022 14:29:38 GMT
Happy with him too. He should never ref games involving Dublin....thats my only gripe with him. I think Gough will be met with universal approval in Kerry, he is in my opinion currently the best and most fair as far as I’m concerned, with regard to not reffing a Dublin game, I would actually disagree, I though he was more than fair and equal in the drawn 2019 final, not many referees had the balls to give the likes of Johnny Cooper his marching orders within the first thirty minutes, but he didn’t flinch, gave due warning and when enough was enough, the red was banished. Kerry got no scorable free once Johnny Cooper walked.
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