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Post by horsebox77 on Jan 17, 2022 20:51:48 GMT
For me our half Back line is O'Beagleoich, Breen and White, with off the bench options being Murphy, Graham and the two Templenoe lads.
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Post by royalkerryfan on Jan 17, 2022 21:09:46 GMT
Breen is completely unproven at this level and has it all to do to start for Kerry. White is a certainty and after that there are no standouts but I would not be so quick to rule out Paul Murphy. Intelligence, football skills and reading of a game are also important. He did ok last year I think unproven is harsh. |
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Post by dc84 on Jan 17, 2022 21:37:10 GMT
Half backline and half forward line cost us last few years in my opinion. We seem to have a plethora of decent pacy skilful half backs and I'd include beaglaoich and Tom sull in that bunch. We obviously lack a bit of physical presence around the middle aside from midfielders hopefully one or more of Joe o connor , okunbar Gavin o brien or Paul o shea really put there hands up during the league and young Breen improves also.
I'm not saying we should copy Tyrone but the basics of the positions of wb and hf are very similar these days , good engine, speed being able to kick a score AND be an option/pain in the ass at kickouts. The template is there with a long time for half forwards Sean Ban,brosnan, both kenneallys,macgearilt,galvin, Dec sull,donnacha Walsh. A Walsh like player would be perfect huge work rate decent goal return and won a fair amount at midfield. Sean o Shea is the only one in that mould at the moment.
What happened Breen couldve happened any of the half backs white , Murphy beaglaoich etc. Just wouldnt be able to compete in the air. More versatility and options are required the personnel is there I think just need to get the balance right
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Post by taggert on Jan 17, 2022 21:52:06 GMT
Kerrys backline has proven itself to be not good enough when the sh1t has hit the fan over the last few years.
As far as I'm concerned only Tom Sullivan can claim to have shown anything like the consistency needed for a top level championship defender - at the business end of things.
Begley got decorated by Kilkenny in the league and while he impressed against Cork he was all over the shop against Tyrone.
Foley struggles if he doesnt win possession before the attacker, relying on his pace and was ill at ease against Tyrone.
Breen was targeted aerially v Tyrone and was caught out of position for the first goal. Needs games at 6.
Murphy's best days are behind him and is too easily turned over when faced with bigger bucks - happened twice against Cork.
White has been excellent in the league but was awful against Cork in 2020 and ran down blind alleys and got dispossessed on a few occasions v Tyrone in 2021. Also noteworthy how many of his barnstorming runs end up with the wrong decision and no end product owung to lack of composure.
Crowley and Morley are league players and will also get by in Munster.
Much work to be done by Tally to address gaping holes readily found by Tyrone and Dublin in 2021. Many of these guys are around for years and haven't delivered.
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Post by royalkerryfan on Jan 17, 2022 22:06:42 GMT
Kerrys backline has proven itself to be not good enough when the sh1t has hit the fan over the last few years. As far as I'm concerned only Tom Sullivan can claim to have shown anything like the consistency needed for a top level championship defender - at the business end of things. Begley got decorated by Kilkenny in the league and while he impressed against Cork he was all over the shop against Tyrone. Foley struggles if he doesnt win possession before the attacker, relying on his pace and was ill at ease against Tyrone. Breen was targeted aerially v Tyrone and was caught out of position for the first goal. Needs games at 6. Murphy's best days are behind him and is too easily turned over when faced with bigger bucks - happened twice against Cork. White has been excellent in the league but was awful against Cork in 2020 and ran down blind alleys and got dispossessed on a few occasions v Tyrone in 2021. Also noteworthy how many of his barnstorming runs end up with the wrong decision and no end product owung to lack of composure. Crowley and Morley are league players and will also get by in Munster. Much work to be done by Tally to address gaping holes readily found by Tyrone and Dublin in 2021. Many of these guys are around for years and haven't delivered. Hard to argue with that. |
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Post by Mickmack on Jan 17, 2022 22:12:06 GMT
Kerrys backline has proven itself to be not good enough when the sh1t has hit the fan over the last few years. As far as I'm concerned only Tom Sullivan can claim to have shown anything like the consistency needed for a top level championship defender - at the business end of things. Begley got decorated by Kilkenny in the league and while he impressed against Cork he was all over the shop against Tyrone. Foley struggles if he doesnt win possession before the attacker, relying on his pace and was ill at ease against Tyrone. Breen was targeted aerially v Tyrone and was caught out of position for the first goal. Needs games at 6. Murphy's best days are behind him and is too easily turned over when faced with bigger bucks - happened twice against Cork. White has been excellent in the league but was awful against Cork in 2020 and ran down blind alleys and got dispossessed on a few occasions v Tyrone in 2021. Also noteworthy how many of his barnstorming runs end up with the wrong decision and no end product owung to lack of composure. Crowley and Morley are league players and will also get by in Munster. Much work to be done by Tally to address gaping holes readily found by Tyrone and Dublin in 2021. Many of these guys are around for years and haven't delivered. I know its a bit hard to answer this in January, but have you 6 backs in your minds eye that might deliver when in matters in Croke Park this year in knockout championship games |
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Post by taggert on Jan 17, 2022 22:29:58 GMT
Its a good question.
I definitely think places are up for grabs and I also think that is even more likely as Tally will ensure a structure is in place to stop the leaks when the big guns face us - affording backs more protection or limiting the number of defenders who are leaving the house unminded.
Dylan Casey should be in the full back line with Foley and Tom.
A stopper is needed at 6 - Breen will get the chance and hopefully he takes it.
White will be on the wing but I do think we need to take a leaf out of Dublins book and look at how they used Jack Mc's pace. Often it was selfless decoy runs at pace. How do we maximuse damage and minimise blind alley stuff?
That leaves the other wing. As someone said, its about finding the right balance and having some braun here would be welcome. Stefan is the wild card but nobody knows whether he can play any role with Kerry this year. If not oerhsps Graham O'Sullivan can reprise the once great form he showed.
Its hard to see us making the leap with the same crop who have come up short - its why new blood is appealing and 2 new defenders would be very welcome.
Whats your 6?
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Post by mike70 on Jan 17, 2022 22:37:25 GMT
Its a good question. I definitely think places are up for grabs and I also think that is even more likely as Tally will ensure a structure is in place to stop the leaks when the big guns face us - affording backs more protection or limiting the number of defenders who are leaving the house unminded. Dylan Casey should be in the full back line with Foley and Tom. A stopper is needed at 6 - Breen will get the chance and hopefully he takes it. White will be on the wing but I do think we need to take a leaf out of Dublins book and look at how they used Jack Mc's pace. Often it was selfless decoy runs at pace. How do we maximuse damage and minimise blind alley stuff? That leaves the other wing. As someone said, its about finding the right balance and having some braun here would be welcome. Stefan is the wild card but nobody knows whether he can play any role with Kerry this year. If not oerhsps Graham O'Sullivan can reprise the once great form he showed. Its hard to see us making the leap with the same crop who have come up short - its why new blood is appealing and 2 new defenders would be very welcome. Whats your 6? jesus lads, have we learnt anything, are we still knocking on hardwood, it’s about the squad lads and having 10 defenders, with nr 10 as good as nr 6 , this is for match day, not considering injuries that will arise over a campaign, so for me lets pick our best ten, for a start, we win no all ireland with 6. |
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Post by mike70 on Jan 17, 2022 22:43:42 GMT
In no order , 10 for me
Foley
White
T o sull
G o sull
Breen
Beaglaoi
Casey
Morley
Murphy
Crowley/Stefan
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Post by Whosinmidfield on Jan 17, 2022 22:48:48 GMT
Its a good question. I definitely think places are up for grabs and I also think that is even more likely as Tally will ensure a structure is in place to stop the leaks when the big guns face us - affording backs more protection or limiting the number of defenders who are leaving the house unminded. Dylan Casey should be in the full back line with Foley and Tom. A stopper is needed at 6 - Breen will get the chance and hopefully he takes it. White will be on the wing but I do think we need to take a leaf out of Dublins book and look at how they used Jack Mc's pace. Often it was selfless decoy runs at pace. How do we maximuse damage and minimise blind alley stuff? That leaves the other wing. As someone said, its about finding the right balance and having some braun here would be welcome. Stefan is the wild card but nobody knows whether he can play any role with Kerry this year. If not oerhsps Graham O'Sullivan can reprise the once great form he showed. Its hard to see us making the leap with the same crop who have come up short - its why new blood is appealing and 2 new defenders would be very welcome. Whats your 6? jesus lads, have we learnt anything, are we still knocking on hardwood, it’s about the squad lads and having 10 defenders, with nr 10 as good as nr 6 , this is for match day, not considering injuries that will arise over a campaign, so for me lets pick our best ten, for a start, we win no all ireland with 6. You’re right we need good replacements but our starting 6 have to be very strong. When Dublin were winning, everyone knew who their back six would be coming up to the big games. We need as many as possible in the category of ‘have to start’. I don’t think quantity will be a problem anyway picking from Tom O’Sullivan, Jason Foley, Tadhg Morley, Dylan Casey, Dan O’Donoghue, Brian O’Beaglaoich, Stefan Okunbor, Gavin White, Gavin Crowley, Graham O’Sullivan, Mike Breen and Paul Murphy. There’s 12 credible options there. Finding the 6 who we are sure will do the job on the big day is key. |
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Post by horsebox77 on Jan 17, 2022 22:49:59 GMT
I would love to, even though it would be potentially challenging for the young man, but I’d love to test Casey against Cork at the weekend.
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Post by mike70 on Jan 17, 2022 22:51:24 GMT
jesus lads, have we learnt anything, are we still knocking on hardwood, it’s about the squad lads and having 10 defenders, with nr 10 as good as nr 6 , this is for match day, not considering injuries that will arise over a campaign, so for me lets pick our best ten, for a start, we win no all ireland with 6. You’re right we need good replacements but our starting 6 have to be very strong. When Dublin were winning, everyone knew who their back six would be coming up to the big games. We need as many as possible in the category of ‘have to start’. I don’t think quantity will be a problem anyway picking from Tom O’Sullivan, Jason Foley, Tadhg Morley, Dylan Casey, Dan O’Donoghue, Brian O’Beaglaoich, Stefan Okunbor, Gavin White, Gavin Crowley, Graham O’Sullivan, Mike Breen and Paul Murphy. There’s 12 credible options there. I missed Dan o D and he is getting his chance deservedly so, as someone else said, let’s hope Tally can turn them into a unit. |
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Post by Whosinmidfield on Jan 17, 2022 22:53:42 GMT
I would love to, even though it would be potentially challenging for the young man, but I’d love to test Casey against Cork at the weekend. I think he’ll have to be played. After all it’s still the McGrath Cup and new players have to be looked at. Likewise Joe O’Connor and Stefan if he’s available. Paul O’Shea is someone who I’d like to see given the chance to see what he can do as well. It will be interesting how he performs for MTU tomorrow night. |
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Post by horsebox77 on Jan 17, 2022 22:58:42 GMT
Agree whoisinmidfield, I’ve always been a Paul O’Shea fan, I fear for Joe O’Connor, his injury yesterday, his body language and the way he was strapped and the ice tinthe inside of the knee is worrying.
If I had the managerial hat on, not what I think Jack would pick, but if I was the selector, of what I have seen to date any and on availability, I would select the following: Ryan, Casey, Foley, O’Donoghue, Tom Sullivan, Breen, O’Beaglaoich, Seanie, Adrain, Paul O’Shea, Paudie, Savage, Brosnan, Clifford and Killian.
I’m not saying this is our championship team or the best team available, this is what I would pick for the McGrath Cup as a player test or barometer.
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Post by royalkerryfan on Jan 17, 2022 22:59:57 GMT
I would love to, even though it would be potentially challenging for the young man, but I’d love to test Casey against Cork at the weekend. I'd imagine he is raring to go. Is he on UCC sigerson panel ? |
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Post by Whosinmidfield on Jan 17, 2022 23:02:39 GMT
I would love to, even though it would be potentially challenging for the young man, but I’d love to test Casey against Cork at the weekend. I'd imagine he is raring to go. Is he on UCC sigerson panel ? Yes he’s their captain. |
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Post by Mickmack on Jan 18, 2022 9:04:18 GMT
Its a good question. I definitely think places are up for grabs and I also think that is even more likely as Tally will ensure a structure is in place to stop the leaks when the big guns face us - affording backs more protection or limiting the number of defenders who are leaving the house unminded. Dylan Casey should be in the full back line with Foley and Tom. A stopper is needed at 6 - Breen will get the chance and hopefully he takes it. White will be on the wing but I do think we need to take a leaf out of Dublins book and look at how they used Jack Mc's pace. Often it was selfless decoy runs at pace. How do we maximuse damage and minimise blind alley stuff? That leaves the other wing. As someone said, its about finding the right balance and having some braun here would be welcome. Stefan is the wild card but nobody knows whether he can play any role with Kerry this year. If not oerhsps Graham O'Sullivan can reprise the once great form he showed. Its hard to see us making the leap with the same crop who have come up short - its why new blood is appealing and 2 new defenders would be very welcome. Whats your 6? Thanks for the reply. Very interesting. My 6? First of all, i think a phalanx of defenders is whats needed .....a defensive wall 40 yards out.....that when in possession can then move forward inside the opposition 45 too without leaving the house unguarded. Dublin and Tyrone did that. Why not us? I am hopeful that Dylan Casey, Okunbur, Dan oDonoghue become viable options in the coming months. If not then we are back to a variation of who saw action in the Tyrone game and i am not sure that will do. |
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Post by kerrybhoy06 on Jan 18, 2022 9:44:04 GMT
I presume that the Na Gaeil lads are being stood down until the end of the intermediate club?
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Post by buck02 on Jan 18, 2022 9:56:38 GMT
I'd love if a few of the backs laid down a marker in some league games against the big guns.
And by that I mean getting up close and personal with guys they will be meeting at the end of the year, picking up a few yellow cards for leaving something on an opponent or even getting a red card for leaving more than something on one of them.
How many teams in the last decade have we given out about Johnny Cooper, Philly, Fitzsimons, Mccarthy and so on when we secretely wished they were on our team. Two incidents in league games spring to mind. A game in Killarney I think in 2014 or 15. Fitzsimons runs in during a melee and hits a Kerry player a clatter and gets involved with Donaghy. He got sent off but he was laying down a marker for the next time they met. The other was Seanie and Clifford's first starts above in Croke Park in the league. McCarthy "accidentally" runs into Seanie going for a ball leaving him sidelined for a couple of months.
Our backs are way too nice and need an extra dose of dark arts training from Paddy over the next few months. I think this is partly the fault of the development squad system which focused too much on having backs who were two footed, two handed, quick feet, lovely ball players instead of having a few lads in every squad who didn't care very much if they didn't launch 3 attacks in each half of a game as long as they had their man marked out of it.
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Post by Mickmack on Jan 18, 2022 10:18:17 GMT
I'd love if a few of the backs laid down a marker in some league games against the big guns. And by that I mean getting up close and personal with guys they will be meeting at the end of the year, picking up a few yellow cards for leaving something on an opponent or even getting a red card for leaving more than something on one of them. How many teams in the last decade have we given out about Johnny Cooper, Philly, Fitzsimons, Mccarthy and so on when we secretely wished they were on our team. Two incidents in league games spring to mind. A game in Killarney I think in 2014 or 15. Fitzsimons runs in during a melee and hits a Kerry player a clatter and gets involved with Donaghy. He got sent off but he was laying down a marker for the next time they met. The other was Seanie and Clifford's first starts above in Croke Park in the league. McCarthy "accidentally" runs into Seanie going for a ball leaving him sidelined for a couple of months. Our backs are way too nice and need an extra dose of dark arts training from Paddy over the next few months. I think this is partly the fault of the development squad system which focused too much on having backs who were two footed, two handed, quick feet, lovely ball players instead of having a few lads in every squad who didn't care very much if they didn't launch 3 attacks in each half of a game as long as they had their man marked out of it. 100% agree with all of that. |
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Post by horsebox77 on Jan 18, 2022 18:11:21 GMT
Going by the performances and scoring tally’s by Donal O’Sullivan in the Sigerson Cup to date, it won’t be long before young Kilgarvan man is promoted to the senior panel, he is a player I have had huge time for since his minor days and he was standout with Sugrue’s U20’s until he damaged his hamstring.
I was surprised he was omitted from the initial 2022 listed by Jack but on current form he cannot be ignored for much longer,
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Post by john4 on Jan 18, 2022 19:22:15 GMT
Has the Kerry senior football team captain been named for 2022 or have I completely missed this?
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Post by royalkerryfan on Jan 18, 2022 22:22:37 GMT
Has the Kerry senior football team captain been named for 2022 or have I completely missed this? Your correct John it hasn't been named yet. We are looking good for more spectaors and hospitality opening up Tralee will be hoping on the 5th of Feb. |
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Post by givehimaball on Jan 24, 2022 20:37:17 GMT
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Post by greengold35 on Jan 24, 2022 21:17:44 GMT
Has the Kerry senior football team captain been named for 2022 or have I completely missed this? Stacks nominated Joe O’Connor as captain for the coming year at their AGM at the weekend. |
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Post by horsebox77 on Jan 24, 2022 21:25:15 GMT
I think of the three, in order of actually making an impression in 2022.. for me it's Horan, Casey and O'Conner .. I fear the injury could scupper any league chances
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Post by royalkerryfan on Jan 24, 2022 21:29:23 GMT
Has the Kerry senior football team captain been named for 2022 or have I completely missed this? Stacks nominated Joe O’Connor as captain for the coming year at their AGM at the weekend. Just shows the madness of that process. |
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Post by horsebox77 on Jan 24, 2022 21:39:55 GMT
I though there were plans or talk o in Peter Keanes time of this process being dispensed with.
Funnily enough, I'd be a traditionalist and die hard gaa man but I do think the process is ancestral and should be archived
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Post by Whosinmidfield on Jan 24, 2022 22:08:45 GMT
My reading of it was that Eanna O’Conchuir and Adam Donoghue weren’t actually part of the panel but were just called in as cover for the Tipperary games since we’d such low numbers available. Jack probably named them on the panel for the last day so they’d get a medal. Cian Gammell is in the same boat I think. Whether that position has changed for any of them now, I don’t know. |
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Post by horsebox77 on Jan 24, 2022 22:13:12 GMT
Pity if true, having seen both, i think the Castleisland man has something to offer.
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