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Post by Mickmack on Dec 16, 2021 20:07:49 GMT
always felt that Murphy was unfairly treated after the Galway game in 2018. Sitting that day in the lower Cusack, I didn't see much movement in front of him. Anyway nothing like good competition for a place. 100% agree. I felt he was the fall guy after Killian Youngs stupid red card. Being a man down meant that Galway retained their own kickout and cut off the option for Shane to go short from the Kerry kickout.
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Post by hurlingman on Dec 16, 2021 21:20:38 GMT
I don;t recalll Greg Horan ever being with the Kerry senior team. I know he was a very good underage player but then had a few injuries. he was 100% part of extended panel during EF time. Just looked it up and he actually played in one league game in 2018.
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Post by hurlingman on Dec 16, 2021 21:23:05 GMT
Why do you think he's pick football over hurling? Maybe he wants to play hurling. Well if anyone had the chance to play a big part in trying to win Sam I’m sure they’d choose it over playing in the McDonagh Cup. No disrespect to the hurling but if you get the chance to play for the Kerry footballers, you take it. Would he play that big a part though? He's pretty much guaranteed a lot of game time with the hurlers. Can the same be said wth the footballers? A lot of lads in Dublin who could have been regulars with their hurlers picked football and never played.
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Post by Mickmack on Dec 16, 2021 21:30:54 GMT
Well if anyone had the chance to play a big part in trying to win Sam I’m sure they’d choose it over playing in the McDonagh Cup. No disrespect to the hurling but if you get the chance to play for the Kerry footballers, you take it. Would he play that big a part though? He's pretty much guaranteed a lot of game time with the hurlers. Can the same be said wth the footballers? A lot of lads in Dublin who could have been regulars with their hurlers picked football and never played. Not being allowed play hurling with Crotta might be a bridge too far. Lads he went to school with and won minor title with etc. Huge loyalty there i feel to try to win the senior next year.
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Post by Whosinmidfield on Dec 16, 2021 21:37:12 GMT
Well if anyone had the chance to play a big part in trying to win Sam I’m sure they’d choose it over playing in the McDonagh Cup. No disrespect to the hurling but if you get the chance to play for the Kerry footballers, you take it. Would he play that big a part though? He's pretty much guaranteed a lot of game time with the hurlers. Can the same be said wth the footballers? A lot of lads in Dublin who could have been regulars with their hurlers picked football and never played. Maybe not but what I was saying if Jack was in his ear saying he could have a big role to play then he’d hardly turn it down.
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Post by mike70 on Dec 16, 2021 22:33:06 GMT
Would he play that big a part though? He's pretty much guaranteed a lot of game time with the hurlers. Can the same be said wth the footballers? A lot of lads in Dublin who could have been regulars with their hurlers picked football and never played. Maybe not but what I was saying if Jack was in his ear saying he could have a big role to play then he’d hardly turn it down. . guess if he was good enough the lad would be called in.
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Post by mossie on Dec 16, 2021 23:22:45 GMT
Would he play that big a part though? He's pretty much guaranteed a lot of game time with the hurlers. Can the same be said wth the footballers? A lot of lads in Dublin who could have been regulars with their hurlers picked football and never played. Not being allowed play hurling with Crotta might be a bridge too far. Lads he went to school with and won minor title with etc. Huge loyalty there i feel to try to win the senior next year. no one knows all the details, maybe he was called in, maybe he wasnt You touched on a valid point though, it is hard wrench for lads in North Kerry hurling territory to be effectively ruled out of representing their club in the county hurling championship which can arise if on a kerry football squad Crotta will end their 53 year drought some year soon in the county senior hurling championship and how Austin Stack Park will erupt on that day. I guess there is no sporting venue or medal any Crotta\Kilflynn man would trade for this.
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Post by horsebox77 on Jan 15, 2022 21:11:20 GMT
I think tomorrow will answer a few questions for me on the capabilities of Joe O'Conner if directly pitted against Corks inter county man Ian Maguire.
I have been very impressed with the young Rockie but tomorrow will test him physically and mentally.
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Post by royalkerryfan on Jan 15, 2022 21:19:48 GMT
I think tomorrow will answer a few questions for me on the capabilities of Joe O'Conner if directly pitted against Corks inter county man Ian Maguire. I have been very impressed with the young Rockie but tomorrow will test him physically and mentally. Yes looking forward to the game tomorrow. TG4 really provide a brilliant public service and the best coverage for me. I'm looking for how OConnor and Casey get on
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Post by horsebox77 on Jan 15, 2022 22:11:30 GMT
Casey will surely be on Sherlock, it's the makings of a great game.
Have to concur on TG4. Live gaa, rugby and horse racing, then there is the likes of Laochra Gael not to mention the Friday night Westerns.
But ya, their gaa coverage is exemplary.
The only black mark is the cancellation of Dara O'Cinneíde's Seo Sport on a Friday night, loved that programme.
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Post by sullyschoice on Jan 16, 2022 9:33:07 GMT
I have rarely seen anyone commit as many fouls ad Ian Maguire. Not always blown up for them. He is like an octopus in the tackle. Not dirty, just awkward.
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Post by kerrybhoy06 on Jan 16, 2022 10:01:05 GMT
I have rarely seen anyone commit as many fouls ad Ian Maguire. Not always blown up for them. He is like an octopus in the tackle. Not dirty, just awkward. Debatable. He’s dirty enough. He gets away with 20+ fouls a match
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Post by sullyschoice on Jan 16, 2022 13:27:43 GMT
I have rarely seen anyone commit as many fouls ad Ian Maguire. Not always blown up for them. He is like an octopus in the tackle. Not dirty, just awkward. Debatable. He’s dirty enough. He gets away with 20+ fouls a match I was trying to be nice
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Post by horsebox77 on Jan 16, 2022 15:38:52 GMT
It will be interesting to see if any of the stacks players make the match day squad for next Saturday, I have been impressed with Horan and Casey, Horan could play the workhorse role that Jack likes to adopt. Horan may also give you a scoring option, Casey is a possible captain, time will tell.
I fear for Joe O’Connor, his injury looked serious enough, icing the inside of the knee is never a good sign , fingers crossed it’s just a jar or medial ligaments …
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Post by mike70 on Jan 16, 2022 15:46:59 GMT
It will be interesting to see if any of the stacks players make the match day squad for next Saturday, I have been impressed with Horan and Casey, Horan could play the workhorse role that Jack likes to adopt. Horan may also give you a scoring option, Casey is a possible captain, time will tell. I fear for Joe O’Connor, his injury looked serious enough, icing the inside of the knee is never a good sign , fingers crossed it’s just a jar or medial ligaments … I think Horan was the best of them today, he will line out with MTUK on Tuesday in sigerson. The 2 defenders from the stacks are well down the pecking order I think, Casey needs time, he will be out with UCC next week as well, let’s give the young fella time, you don’t just come from u20 into senior, exceptions I know, but that’s different class, hard luck to stacks, but to many players under performed, that Barr’s team won’t win the all ireland.
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Post by Whosinmidfield on Jan 16, 2022 16:49:13 GMT
It will be interesting to see if any of the stacks players make the match day squad for next Saturday, I have been impressed with Horan and Casey, Horan could play the workhorse role that Jack likes to adopt. Horan may also give you a scoring option, Casey is a possible captain, time will tell. I fear for Joe O’Connor, his injury looked serious enough, icing the inside of the knee is never a good sign , fingers crossed it’s just a jar or medial ligaments … I think Horan was the best of them today, he will line out with MTUK on Tuesday in sigerson. The 2 defenders from the stacks are well down the pecking order I think, Casey needs time, he will be out with UCC next week as well, let’s give the young fella time, you don’t just come from u20 into senior, exceptions I know, but that’s different class, hard luck to stacks, but to many players under performed, that Barr’s team won’t win the all ireland. Casey will be right in the mix in the backs. He completely nullified Sherlock today who is Barrs’ real go to player. As well as being an excellent man marker, he’s good on the ball and can play his part in a defensive unit (as opposed to just totally focusing on his own man). Definitely worth a good look in the league. Horan is a maybe in my opinion. Kicked 2 excellent points today. There’s a shortage of physical wing forwards on the panel so he might be worth a look in that position. Joe O’Connor didn’t show much today but still worth a look in my opinion. There’s a difference between standing out at club level and playing a role at inter county. Some players find one more difficult than the other so form at club level shouldn’t be the only factor in selection. He’s very strong and mobile and can take a score so there’s definitely attributes that can be worked with there.
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Post by mike70 on Jan 16, 2022 17:19:30 GMT
I think Horan was the best of them today, he will line out with MTUK on Tuesday in sigerson. The 2 defenders from the stacks are well down the pecking order I think, Casey needs time, he will be out with UCC next week as well, let’s give the young fella time, you don’t just come from u20 into senior, exceptions I know, but that’s different class, hard luck to stacks, but to many players under performed, that Barr’s team won’t win the all ireland. Casey will be right in the mix in the backs. He completely nullified Sherlock today who is Barrs’ real go to player. As well as being an excellent man marker, he’s good on the ball and can play his part in a defensive unit (as opposed to just totally focusing on his own man). Definitely worth a good look in the league. Horan is a maybe in my opinion. Kicked 2 excellent points today. There’s a shortage of physical wing forwards on the panel so he might be worth a look in that position. Joe O’Connor didn’t show much today but still worth a look in my opinion. There’s a difference between standing out at club level and playing a role at inter county. Some players find one more difficult than the other so form at club level shouldn’t be the only factor in selection. He’s very strong and mobile and can take a score so there’s definitely attributes that can be worked with there. my point about Casey is that he is young, toss him in too quick and you might expose him, definitely game time against the weaker teams in the league to see how he goes, maybe McGrath cup next week.just to add, Sherlock maybe Barr’s go to player, but he won’t be seeing much intercounty, not good enough.
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Post by taggert on Jan 16, 2022 18:03:25 GMT
Casey is a certainty to be brought into the full back line in my mind. Firstly based on who he has nullified, secondly based on his comfort on the ball and thirdly based on Kerrys paucity of top quality man markers.
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Post by southward on Jan 16, 2022 18:15:38 GMT
Casey will be right in the mix in the backs. He completely nullified Sherlock today who is Barrs’ real go to player. As well as being an excellent man marker, he’s good on the ball and can play his part in a defensive unit (as opposed to just totally focusing on his own man). Definitely worth a good look in the league. Horan is a maybe in my opinion. Kicked 2 excellent points today. There’s a shortage of physical wing forwards on the panel so he might be worth a look in that position. Joe O’Connor didn’t show much today but still worth a look in my opinion. There’s a difference between standing out at club level and playing a role at inter county. Some players find one more difficult than the other so form at club level shouldn’t be the only factor in selection. He’s very strong and mobile and can take a score so there’s definitely attributes that can be worked with there. my point about Casey is that he is young, toss him in too quick and you might expose him, definitely game time against the weaker teams in the league to see how he goes, maybe McGrath cup next week.just to add, Sherlock maybe Barr’s go to player, but he won’t be seeing much intercounty, not good enough. Seeing as he's already put the shackles on Killian Spillane, Sean O'Shea, David Clifford and Sean Sherlock this season, who is he likely to be exposed against? Ronaldo?
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Post by Mickmack on Jan 16, 2022 18:21:34 GMT
my point about Casey is that he is young, toss him in too quick and you might expose him, definitely game time against the weaker teams in the league to see how he goes, maybe McGrath cup next week.just to add, Sherlock maybe Barr’s go to player, but he won’t be seeing much intercounty, not good enough. Seeing as he's already put the shackles on Killian Spillane, Sean O'Shea, David Clifford and Sean Sherlock this season, who is he likely to be exposed against? Ronaldo? Brilliant
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Post by Whosinmidfield on Jan 16, 2022 18:53:33 GMT
Is it corner back or full back people see Casey playing with Kerry if he’s to play?
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Post by mike70 on Jan 16, 2022 18:55:31 GMT
Is it corner back or full back people see Casey playing with Kerry if he’s to play? sounds like the whole full back line, and he has not played a senior inter-county game yet, pile pressure on the kid.
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Post by Whosinmidfield on Jan 16, 2022 19:08:24 GMT
Is it corner back or full back people see Casey playing with Kerry if he’s to play? sounds like the whole full back line, and he has not played a senior inter-county game yet, pile pressure on the kid. Just asking what position is he more likely/should he be looked at for? What’s the problem there? No one is saying he’s anything he isn’t, he’s in the same position as other new players like Dan O’Donoghue, Okunbor, Joe O’Connor etc. Also he’s 21/22 not 18/19, he’s an ideal age to be looked at. He has more than earned a few league starts based on his club form as well as previous Kerry underage performances.
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Post by mike70 on Jan 16, 2022 19:17:39 GMT
sounds like the whole full back line, and he has not played a senior inter-county game yet, pile pressure on the kid. Just asking what position is he more likely/should he be looked at for? What’s the problem there? No one is saying he’s anything he isn’t, he’s in the same position as other new players like Dan O’Donoghue, Okunbor, Joe O’Connor etc. Also he’s 21/22 not 18/19, he’s an ideal age to be looked at. He has more than earned a few league starts based on his club form as well as previous Kerry underage performances. I agree big asset to the squad, but let’s manage his game time. I think he played Cen B in the U20, personally I think he will slot in corner back over time, maybe progress to FB in the future, tenacious defender.
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Post by mg72 on Jan 16, 2022 22:24:24 GMT
Is it corner back or full back people see Casey playing with Kerry if he’s to play? I reckon that Dylan would be better suited to the halfback line. I think that he's a bit vulnerable under the high ball for a full back..... but he's very comfortable on the ball and picks his opportunities well to get up the pitch. Then again, I'd also like to see Tom moved out to the wing instead of the corner! With Mike Breen looking like he has a spot there alongside White, and Gavin Crowley also in the hunt for a wingback position, we seem to have an abundance of strong halfbacks. Anyway, with the way the game is played nowadays, players are all interchangeable, so any back will spend a bit of time in each position during a match, and they'll have to have the necessary skills for all of them.
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Post by taggert on Jan 17, 2022 12:45:09 GMT
Is it corner back or full back people see Casey playing with Kerry if he’s to play? I reckon that Dylan would be better suited to the halfback line. I think that he's a bit vulnerable under the high ball for a full back..... but he's very comfortable on the ball and picks his opportunities well to get up the pitch. Then again, I'd also like to see Tom moved out to the wing instead of the corner! With Mike Breen looking like he has a spot there alongside White, and Gavin Crowley also in the hunt for a wingback position, we seem to have an abundance of strong halfbacks. Anyway, with the way the game is played nowadays, players are all interchangeable, so any back will spend a bit of time in each position during a match, and they'll have to have the necessary skills for all of them. Your last para is the key here - and Tyrone exemplify this better than anyone in how they interchange and maje tottal light of the jersey number on their back. Casey can mark, mix it, attack, oass and score and is ahead of most panel members in man marking. Jury is completely out on both Breen and Crowley. Breen was exposed badly against Tyrone and was targeted and cleaned out aerially. Needs games and move to centre may help as he is not reknowned for pace. Crowley has done nothing of note for a long time. His last Kerry cameo being that ignorant agricultural possession surrendering lamp of a ball against Tyrone which was soul destroying. Having seen him in club and county championship at very close quarters this year and last, he made no impression whatsoever and looked average at best.
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Post by royalkerryfan on Jan 17, 2022 19:16:47 GMT
The points regarding Crowley and Breen are interesting. For me the issue against Tyrone was starting Murphy at 6. I've great time for him however he is not a 6 and that hurt us. Opposition target the our backs as too many are not physical enough. So for me it's Breen at 6 and White at 7 and who plays at 5 is undecided for me. Probably a year too soon but if Okunbor makes the 15 then I'd possibly put him 6 and Breen at 5.
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Post by Whosinmidfield on Jan 17, 2022 19:58:43 GMT
The points regarding Crowley and Breen are interesting. For me the issue against Tyrone was starting Murphy at 6. I've great time for him however he is not a 6 and that hurt us. Opposition target the our backs as too many are not physical enough. So for me it's Breen at 6 and White at 7 and who plays at 5 is undecided for me. Probably a year too soon but if Okunbor makes the 15 then I'd possibly put him 6 and Breen at 5. Agree on both the physicality point and also it being Breen, White and one more in the half back line. If Okunbor does start he think 5 might suit him better than 6, but I suppose we’ll have to see on that one. If Breen can nail down 6 then it’d be at 5 that Okunbor would be getting in anyway. As other posters said we need to see more from Gavin Crowley if he’s to be a starter. I think he has lost a bit of the aggression that was a big part of his game when he first broke through. Brian O’Beaglaoich is a very good option for 5, he’s a more natural wing back than corner back. Graham O’Sullivan could potentially be another option.
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Post by mike70 on Jan 17, 2022 20:05:05 GMT
The points regarding Crowley and Breen are interesting. For me the issue against Tyrone was starting Murphy at 6. I've great time for him however he is not a 6 and that hurt us. Opposition target the our backs as too many are not physical enough. So for me it's Breen at 6 and White at 7 and who plays at 5 is undecided for me. Probably a year too soon but if Okunbor makes the 15 then I'd possibly put him 6 and Breen at 5. Agree on both the physicality point and also it being Breen, White and one more in the half back line. If Okunbor does start he think 5 might suit him better than 6, but I suppose we’ll have to see on that one. If Breen can nail down 6 then it’d be at 5 that Okunbor would be getting in anyway. As other posters said we need to see more from Gavin Crowley if he’s to be a starter. I think he has lost a bit of the aggression that was a big part of his game when he first broke through. Brian O’Beaglaoich is a very good option for 5, he’s a more natural wing back than corner back. Graham O’Sullivan could potentially be another option. I was not at the game last week, but I read Breen was excellent for Kerry MTU at CB, he will be on show again tomo night, there are 6 cork panel on show as well as our own 6 kerry,might be a good night for Gavin O Brien to leave Jack know he is still around, playing with Cork MTU. Another lad on the MTUK mark o shea from crokes, I think could be worth a look at for next year as a POTENTIAL MF, also young Burke who played with Mid K. another to watch.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 17, 2022 20:51:08 GMT
Breen is completely unproven at this level and has it all to do to start for Kerry. White is a certainty and after that there are no standouts but I would not be so quick to rule out Paul Murphy. Intelligence, football skills and reading of a game are also important.
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