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Post by kerrybhoy06 on Dec 11, 2021 21:36:23 GMT
Calls went out Wednesday & Thursday morning, what are people hearing? Lets start of with the KoR jury...whats the news there? I think Cormac is very unlucky, if he doesn’t get brought in. He is very similar to a few others in there or that have been called in but I would rate him as being a little bit better than a very similar player in Jack O Shea
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Post by taggert on Dec 11, 2021 21:41:06 GMT
The way I look at it is that Kerry have loads of forwards. Scoring forwards like David Paul Killian Spillane Seanie Shea Tony Brosnan. Hard workers like Burns Paudie Moynihan and maybe Diarmuid I Connor of he not midfield. Savage is a good club play but I can't see him offering anything different to others and tbh I'd prefer Tomás Ó Sé and Dónal Ó Sullivan. For me midfield and maybe two strong backs. I really think we need a stopper centre back who can réad the game like Andrew Barry. I also like Coffey as a defender. Tenacious and fast. I like 5he look of Dylan Casey too. You might not be in favour of the lads called up, which is fine, but to say we have lots of scoring forwards is just not true. In our biggest game in 2020 (Cork) and 2021 (Tyrone) we were relying on either David from play or seanie from frees with no one else really threatening so we definitely don’t have enough scoring options and it’s that lack that has caused us over the last few years Would agree with this. Tyrone bullied our forwards and apart from David we were absolutely pitiful up front. PG is finished at the top intercounty level; Burns isnt good enough; Killian is yet to prove he can cut it at All Irl semi / final level; Dara Moynihan and Tony Brosnan likewise. Plenty to ponder up front. It was evident from listening to some of the Tyrone interviewees on the All Stars show last night that several of the Kerry fancy dans couldnt handle the heat and didnt like it when Tyrone were in their faces. That included our much vaunted forward line.
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Post by keane on Dec 11, 2021 21:41:55 GMT
Does anyone think you could make a centre back out of Joe O'Connor? He's big, strong, fast, physical, likes a hit, good on the ball. If he was playing centre back rather than midfield for the Rock he'd be absolutely nailed on to start there for Kerry next year. The way most teams play with half forwards dropping deep you just need a man to sit on the 40 and hit everything that moves, he has all the physical attributes for it I think
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Post by keane on Dec 11, 2021 21:43:50 GMT
Would agree with this. Tyrone bullied our forwards and apart from David we were absolutely pitiful up front. PG is finished at the top intercounty level; Burns isnt good enough; Killian is yet to prove he can cut it at All Irl semi / final level; Dara Moynihan and Tony Brosnan likewise. Plenty to ponder up front. It was evident from listening to some of the Tyrone interviewees on the All Stars show last night that several of the Kerry fancy dans couldnt handle the heat and didnt like it when Tyrone were in their faces. That included our much vaunted forward line. In fairness, whatever the Tyrone boys want to tell themselves about the Kerry forwards the reality is if we had a decent centre back sitting in the central channel there's no doubt we'd have the canister for the winter.
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Post by taggert on Dec 11, 2021 21:49:50 GMT
Would agree with this. Tyrone bullied our forwards and apart from David we were absolutely pitiful up front. PG is finished at the top intercounty level; Burns isnt good enough; Killian is yet to prove he can cut it at All Irl semi / final level; Dara Moynihan and Tony Brosnan likewise. Plenty to ponder up front. It was evident from listening to some of the Tyrone interviewees on the All Stars show last night that several of the Kerry fancy dans couldnt handle the heat and didnt like it when Tyrone were in their faces. That included our much vaunted forward line. In fairness, whatever the Tyrone boys want to tell themselves about the Kerry forwards the reality is if we had a decent centre back sitting in the central channel there's no doubt we'd have the canister for the winter. Not sure. We had attrocious displays in every line of the field so a little too simplistic for me. But I take your point in that none of P. Murphy, M. Breen or Gavin Crowley are the quality required of a top no. 6. D. Casey should be an absolute banker in the full back line so for me, its half back line and half fwd line that need sorting. Joe Moran, Diarmuid and JB to cover midfield.
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Post by kerrybhoy06 on Dec 11, 2021 21:49:53 GMT
Does anyone think you could make a centre back out of Joe O'Connor? He's big, strong, fast, physical, likes a hit, good on the ball. If he was playing centre back rather than midfield for the Rock he'd be absolutely nailed on to start there for Kerry next year. The way most teams play with half forwards dropping deep you just need a man to sit on the 40 and hit everything that moves, he has all the physical attributes for it I think Possibly, I guess it depends on whether we could get more out of him as a midfielder. He has all the attributes to do what you say above but also the attributes to be a very dynamic, ball carrying midfielder. I think the above so possible if we can find another midfield player but David will be done soon enough and i still don’t think jack Barry is good enough to be a starter so its Diarmuid and Joe that I see as the future pairing. Joe Linehan of Churchill looks quite good for a 19 year old and has similar attributes to Joe O Connor so I’ll be watching his development
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Post by kerrybhoy06 on Dec 11, 2021 21:51:23 GMT
Would agree with this. Tyrone bullied our forwards and apart from David we were absolutely pitiful up front. PG is finished at the top intercounty level; Burns isnt good enough; Killian is yet to prove he can cut it at All Irl semi / final level; Dara Moynihan and Tony Brosnan likewise. Plenty to ponder up front. It was evident from listening to some of the Tyrone interviewees on the All Stars show last night that several of the Kerry fancy dans couldnt handle the heat and didnt like it when Tyrone were in their faces. That included our much vaunted forward line. In fairness, whatever the Tyrone boys want to tell themselves about the Kerry forwards the reality is if we had a decent centre back sitting in the central channel there's no doubt we'd have the canister for the winter. Possibly but our reliance on Clifford was shown up badly that day. Obviously a team is always going to look to rely on a player of his talent but it was the inability of others to step up that was worrying
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Post by kerrybhoy06 on Dec 11, 2021 21:54:17 GMT
You might not be in favour of the lads called up, which is fine, but to say we have lots of scoring forwards is just not true. In our biggest game in 2020 (Cork) and 2021 (Tyrone) we were relying on either David from play or seanie from frees with no one else really threatening so we definitely don’t have enough scoring options and it’s that lack that has caused us over the last few years Would agree with this. Tyrone bullied our forwards and apart from David we were absolutely pitiful up front. PG is finished at the top intercounty level; Burns isnt good enough; Killian is yet to prove he can cut it at All Irl semi / final level; Dara Moynihan and Tony Brosnan likewise. Plenty to ponder up front. It was evident from listening to some of the Tyrone interviewees on the All Stars show last night that several of the Kerry fancy dans couldnt handle the heat and didnt like it when Tyrone were in their faces. That included our much vaunted forward line. Having Burns and Moynihan in the same match day squad was one of the many Keane selection decisions that drove me crazy. Your bench is there to change things up and they are essentially the exact same player. We never had enough scoring options on the bench and it cost us again and again and again
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Post by kerrybhoy06 on Dec 11, 2021 21:57:44 GMT
Also as a slight aside, I hope Jack or one of the selectors took the time to contact players who have been dropped as opposed to leaving them find out from a Irish examiner article.
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Post by taggert on Dec 11, 2021 22:03:52 GMT
Would agree with this. Tyrone bullied our forwards and apart from David we were absolutely pitiful up front. PG is finished at the top intercounty level; Burns isnt good enough; Killian is yet to prove he can cut it at All Irl semi / final level; Dara Moynihan and Tony Brosnan likewise. Plenty to ponder up front. It was evident from listening to some of the Tyrone interviewees on the All Stars show last night that several of the Kerry fancy dans couldnt handle the heat and didnt like it when Tyrone were in their faces. That included our much vaunted forward line. Having Burns and Moynihan in the same match day squad was one of the many Keane selection decisions that drove me crazy. Your bench is there to change things up and they are essentially the exact same player. We never had enough scoring options on the bench and it cost us again and again and again Not to mention subs he was never going to play, Pa Kilkenny, and subs he disliked playing, J. Sherwood. The game has moved on some way since Mo Fitz kicked the lights out in '97 - Peter thought David could almost do it all himself.....
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Post by Mickmack on Dec 11, 2021 22:21:34 GMT
If your half forward is ineffective you might as well fold the tent and go home. One of the Tyrone defenders ambled up along the Cusack stand side with the ball to set up a point and left Dara Moynihan trailing in his wake. Dara played on till half time. Its was daft stuff altogether.
Sean oSe hasnt found his form of 2019. Maybe he is burned out. He needs to rediscover his form for Kerry to have a chance.
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Post by veteran on Dec 11, 2021 22:54:04 GMT
Having Burns and Moynihan in the same match day squad was one of the many Keane selection decisions that drove me crazy. Your bench is there to change things up and they are essentially the exact same player. We never had enough scoring options on the bench and it cost us again and again and again Not to mention subs he was never going to play, Pa Kilkenny, and subs he disliked playing, J. Sherwood. The game has moved on some way since Mo Fitz kicked the lights out in '97 - Peter thought David could almost do it all himself..... He may have done if he played the extra time. Better of course if others chipped in.
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Post by mike70 on Dec 11, 2021 22:58:53 GMT
You might not be in favour of the lads called up, which is fine, but to say we have lots of scoring forwards is just not true. In our biggest game in 2020 (Cork) and 2021 (Tyrone) we were relying on either David from play or seanie from frees with no one else really threatening so we definitely don’t have enough scoring options and it’s that lack that has caused us over the last few years Would agree with this. Tyrone bullied our forwards and apart from David we were absolutely pitiful up front. PG is finished at the top intercounty level; Burns isnt good enough; Killian is yet to prove he can cut it at All Irl semi / final level; Dara Moynihan and Tony Brosnan likewise. Plenty to ponder up front. It was evident from listening to some of the Tyrone interviewees on the All Stars show last night that several of the Kerry fancy dans couldnt handle the heat and didnt like it when Tyrone were in their faces. That included our much vaunted forward line. we have too many similar forwards that keep running into traffic, lack the ability to hold up the ball and find our kickers, dublin most successful team last 10 years, they are patient in possession, we need that in our arsenal. Delighted to see savage get a call back, like to see coffee, A Barry get a run out as well, we are talking about squad players here not first 15.
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Post by Whosinmidfield on Dec 11, 2021 23:38:10 GMT
We definitely need to improve the support to David Clifford. To be fair Seanie O’Shea was brilliant this year apart from the semi. I expect him to learn from it and perform in our big games next year. He was outstanding in both the drawn game and replay in 2019 so it’s not as if he isn’t a big game player. Others are very quick to write off Paul Geaney. He has regressed these past 2 years but I wouldn’t write him off. What I would say is if he’s not in form don’t start/play him because he’s not at the stage anymore where we know he’s going to come good. A full league campaign will really benefit both Tony Brosnan and Killian Spillane, something that neither has had. We really need one of them to really step up this year and be a consistent scorer next to David. Both have so much talent. Brosnan has mostly done very well when he’s got his chance but he’s been unlucky with injuries. Killian Spillane has also shown his potency but can drift out of games at times. This is a huge year for both. They can establish themselves as one of the best forwards in the country or continue to be an impact sub. I think there’s a good chance Jack goes with only 2 inside so that’ll be a great battle.
After that looking at new options, I’d like to see Donal O’Sullivan looked at. He’s something different to our other forwards, fast, strong and direct. Eddie Horan if not looked at at wing forward would be a very good option at full forward. Jack Savage isn’t an out and out inside forward but he is a scorer. I’m not sure about him at this level but I might be wrong. Evan Cronin is a player I rate and I’d have him on the panel. I thought Tomás O’Sé was a great option on the bench when he was involved. Really something different for the last 5 or 10 minutes. David Shaw has been knocking around the panel for a while but I haven’t seen anything from him that suggests he has what it takes.
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Post by Mickmack on Dec 12, 2021 10:13:37 GMT
We definitely need to improve the support to David Clifford. To be fair Seanie O’Shea was brilliant this year apart from the semi. I expect him to learn from it and perform in our big games next year. He was outstanding in both the drawn game and replay in 2019 so it’s not as if he isn’t a big game player. To me the only two games that mattered since the 2019 final were the munster final of 2020 and the 2021 semi final. Seanie was below his best in both and Kerry struggle when thats the case. Its an unreal burden on such young shoulders and unfair but thats the way it is. He has played a savage number of games in recent years for club and county and has had injuries. He is as important for us as DC. Maybe more so. I hope he comes back fit and well and at the top of his game in 2022.
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Post by heyjude on Dec 12, 2021 11:03:15 GMT
It's surely not as simple as putting a big man at number 6 to 'hit anything that moves', think the game has moved on quite a bit from that theory. In any case, surely there would be better candidates for that task then converting an extremely athletic, powerful running midfielder.
It's about having a cohesive, well thought out and well coached game plan that the players know inside out through positive and engaging training sessions. That's what Kerry have lacked in the last two years and that's why Tally is in. It's also why a very well coached Tyrone team beat Kerry this year.
Just to clarify to an above poster too, nothing personal was meant against Eanna O Conchuir. You can surely not rate a footballer on this forum without it being implied you're having a cut off a fella. Nonetheless, I can assure you he's not involved for the year ahead.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 12, 2021 11:25:42 GMT
Lads how long do ye think it will take Paddy Tally to get his defencive plan in place?
And can we expect it to bare fruit in his first season?
Also can ye see our players adapting to it quickly?
Austin Stacks play a defensive system so will their players adapt easier than others?
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Post by Mickmack on Dec 12, 2021 11:30:24 GMT
Lads how long do ye think it will take Paddy Tally to get his defencive plan in place? And can we expect it to bare fruit in his first season? Also can ye see our players adapting to it quickly? Austin Stacks play a defensive system so will their players adapt easier than others? The gameplans of both intermediate and senior championship winners of 2021 were based on effective and well organised defense. Very heartening i have to say for me anyway.
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Post by Mickmack on Dec 12, 2021 11:35:19 GMT
It's surely not as simple as putting a big man at number 6 to 'hit anything that moves', think the game has moved on quite a bit from that theory. In any case, surely there would be better candidates for that task then converting an extremely athletic, powerful running midfielder. It's about having a cohesive, well thought out and well coached game plan that the players know inside out through positive and engaging training sessions. That's what Kerry have lacked in the last two years and that's why Tally is in. It's also why a very well coached Tyrone team beat Kerry this year. I expect it will be exactly as you describe
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Post by allrounder on Dec 12, 2021 11:41:56 GMT
We definitely need to improve the support to David Clifford. To be fair Seanie O’Shea was brilliant this year apart from the semi. I expect him to learn from it and perform in our big games next year. He was outstanding in both the drawn game and replay in 2019 so it’s not as if he isn’t a big game player. To me the only two games that mattered since the 2019 final were the munster final of 2020 and the 2021 semi final. Seanie was below his best in both and Kerry struggle when thats the case. Its an unreal burden on such young shoulders and unfair but thats the way it is. He has played a savage number of games in recent years for club and county and has had injuries. He is as important for us as DC. Maybe more so. I hope he comes back fit and well and at the top of his game in 2022. Why did cork v Tipperary in 2020 matter 😜😜😜😜
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Post by veteran on Dec 12, 2021 12:02:21 GMT
We definitely need to improve the support to David Clifford. To be fair Seanie O’Shea was brilliant this year apart from the semi. I expect him to learn from it and perform in our big games next year. He was outstanding in both the drawn game and replay in 2019 so it’s not as if he isn’t a big game player. Others are very quick to write off Paul Geaney. He has regressed these past 2 years but I wouldn’t write him off. What I would say is if he’s not in form don’t start/play him because he’s not at the stage anymore where we know he’s going to come good. A full league campaign will really benefit both Tony Brosnan and Killian Spillane, something that neither has had. We really need one of them to really step up this year and be a consistent scorer next to David. Both have so much talent. Brosnan has mostly done very well when he’s got his chance but he’s been unlucky with injuries. Killian Spillane has also shown his potency but can drift out of games at times. This is a huge year for both. They can establish themselves as one of the best forwards in the country or continue to be an impact sub. I think there’s a good chance Jack goes with only 2 inside so that’ll be a great battle. After that looking at new options, I’d like to see Donal O’Sullivan looked at. He’s something different to our other forwards, fast, strong and direct. Eddie Horan if not looked at at wing forward would be a very good option at full forward. Jack Savage isn’t an out and out inside forward but he is a scorer. I’m not sure about him at this level but I might be wrong. Evan Cronin is a player I rate and I’d have him on the panel. I thought Tomás O’Sé was a great option on the bench when he was involved. Really something different for the last 5 or 10 minutes. David Shaw has been knocking around the panel for a while but I haven’t seen anything from him that suggests he has what it takes. Good post.
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Post by Mickmack on Dec 12, 2021 12:06:26 GMT
To me the only two games that mattered since the 2019 final were the munster final of 2020 and the 2021 semi final. Seanie was below his best in both and Kerry struggle when thats the case. Its an unreal burden on such young shoulders and unfair but thats the way it is. He has played a savage number of games in recent years for club and county and has had injuries. He is as important for us as DC. Maybe more so. I hope he comes back fit and well and at the top of his game in 2022. Why did cork v Tipperary in 2020 matter 😜😜😜😜 Oops.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 12, 2021 13:01:30 GMT
Lads how long do ye think it will take Paddy Tally to get his defencive plan in place? And can we expect it to bare fruit in his first season? Also can ye see our players adapting to it quickly? Austin Stacks play a defensive system so will their players adapt easier than others? The gameplans of both intermediate and senior championship winners of 2021 were based on effective and well organised defense. Very heartening i have to say for me anyway. it'll be interesting, I'm sure they'll é hiccups along the way and we might take a beating or 2 in the league but hopefully it'll lead us to the promised land.
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Post by mike70 on Dec 12, 2021 14:11:38 GMT
We definitely need to improve the support to David Clifford. To be fair Seanie O’Shea was brilliant this year apart from the semi. I expect him to learn from it and perform in our big games next year. He was outstanding in both the drawn game and replay in 2019 so it’s not as if he isn’t a big game player. To me the only two games that mattered since the 2019 final were the munster final of 2020 and the 2021 semi final. Seanie was below his best in both and Kerry struggle when thats the case. Its an unreal burden on such young shoulders and unfair but thats the way it is. He has played a savage number of games in recent years for club and county and has had injuries. He is as important for us as DC. Maybe more so. I hope he comes back fit and well and at the top of his game in 2022. Agree SOS has had a huge workload over last few years from kerry to college as well club, let’s hope he comes back rested and refreshed , still a young man, we need seanie. The year a head for JOC will include the majority of players from Keane era, the key will be how Jack deploys these boys to a winning system and how he uses his bench, horses for courses on different days, but it’s really about 3 key games as we strike for glory but the use of all games leading to these days are important for Jack to find how he best equips his squad to win. We have been close last few years but here is hoping Jack’s experience as an all ireland winning manager can get over us the line, our line last few years has come up short on the days that count.
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Post by Whosinmidfield on Dec 12, 2021 15:07:48 GMT
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Post by mike70 on Dec 12, 2021 17:56:02 GMT
I don't understand the worry about our forwards. We all agree that Clifford and Ó Shea are two of the top forwards in the country but some of the other forwards get criticism for an off day while the two boys don't. Killian Spillane is a very good forward but got lambasted for going for goal v Tyrone when pundits say he should ve taken his point. I don't agree as it was a goal chance. David Clifford went for goal v Cork in 2020.wgen a simple point was on and his goal chance was a much lower percentage than Killian. Killian was nt great v Tyrone but neither was Seanie. Paul Geaney poor too but still scored. David brutal v Cork but gets a free pass. People forget Paul was not playing v Cork last year in and if he was we probably would ve won and maybe taken Sam. People heralding Tyrone midfield yet bar AI final Tyrone had trouble midfield. Kerry s biggest problem is not forwards but centre spine of defense. I don’t think anyone is saying that there not good forwards, but in the high profile games, outside the DC n SOS, the others have come up short, I fear it may be down to how we have played, but the amount of turnovers has hurt us, not so much the inside line, but the 8 around the middle diamond. Our defensive problems usually come from our turnovers conceded. I still believe we will have 11 at least of last years team starting under Jack, with 2 in defence and 2 upfront.
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Post by Whosinmidfield on Dec 12, 2021 18:02:54 GMT
I don't understand the worry about our forwards. We all agree that Clifford and Ó Shea are two of the top forwards in the country but some of the other forwards get criticism for an off day while the two boys don't. Killian Spillane is a very good forward but got lambasted for going for goal v Tyrone when pundits say he should ve taken his point. I don't agree as it was a goal chance. David Clifford went for goal v Cork in 2020.wgen a simple point was on and his goal chance was a much lower percentage than Killian. Killian was nt great v Tyrone but neither was Seanie. Paul Geaney poor too but still scored. David brutal v Cork but gets a free pass. People forget Paul was not playing v Cork last year in and if he was we probably would ve won and maybe taken Sam. People heralding Tyrone midfield yet bar AI final Tyrone had trouble midfield. Kerry s biggest problem is not forwards but centre spine of defense. True if we didn’t concede those 3 soft goals we would have won comfortably. Peter Keane failed to find a centre back, having Paul Murphy there in an All Ireland semi final was criminal. Jack must find a number 6 with good positional sense and reading of the game. I’d be really looking at Dan O’Donoghue I think he has what it takes. Others think Andrew Barry might be the answer. Worth a look in training although pace is likely to be an issue. Daniel O’Brien is another back I rate highly, an option anywhere across the half back line. Mike Breen is an option to come in centrally from wing back, or maybe Jack will move Morley back to his original position. Last year we usually had 2 of the full back line marking the opposition’s inside forwards. Then the centre back might hold back a bit but the other 3 backs’ priority was attacking. I think we need to select at least one back if not two along with the centre back who’s main focus isn’t man marking or attacking, but holding back while we’re in possession, and being more alert to danger and protecting the scoring areas. If Dylan Casey isn’t assigned to a man marking role I think he suits this role well as well as all those who are possibilities for centre back.
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Post by taggert on Dec 12, 2021 19:45:28 GMT
I don't understand the worry about our forwards. We all agree that Clifford and Ó Shea are two of the top forwards in the country but some of the other forwards get criticism for an off day while the two boys don't. Killian Spillane is a very good forward but got lambasted for going for goal v Tyrone when pundits say he should ve taken his point. I don't agree as it was a goal chance. David Clifford went for goal v Cork in 2020.wgen a simple point was on and his goal chance was a much lower percentage than Killian. Killian was nt great v Tyrone but neither was Seanie. Paul Geaney poor too but still scored. David brutal v Cork but gets a free pass. People forget Paul was not playing v Cork last year in and if he was we probably would ve won and maybe taken Sam. People heralding Tyrone midfield yet bar AI final Tyrone had trouble midfield. Kerry s biggest problem is not forwards but centre spine of defense. Just to set the record straight on the KS chance. It was a tap over point with the fist, it was a very good goal chance off his right foot, it was neither off his left foot as Peter Harte was coming in off that side and the rest is history. Again these are subtle things and it was one of several terrible decisions made by the players on the day, many of whom were blown away by the pace and power of Tyrone. Paul Geaney has struggled to track runners since 2019 but as we head into 2022, we still have a number of people saying Paul will be fine when it comes to the crunch. He won't. Peter Keane had his favourites but not sure he really developed a way of playing for the players at his disposal. The game has moved on but Keanes reliance on guys like Begley, Morley, Crowley, Murphy, Barry, Geaney and Burns meant we were always going to be short. And so we were.
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Post by john4 on Dec 12, 2021 20:05:41 GMT
I don't understand the worry about our forwards. We all agree that Clifford and Ó Shea are two of the top forwards in the country but some of the other forwards get criticism for an off day while the two boys don't. Killian Spillane is a very good forward but got lambasted for going for goal v Tyrone when pundits say he should ve taken his point. I don't agree as it was a goal chance. David Clifford went for goal v Cork in 2020.wgen a simple point was on and his goal chance was a much lower percentage than Killian. Killian was nt great v Tyrone but neither was Seanie. Paul Geaney poor too but still scored. David brutal v Cork but gets a free pass. People forget Paul was not playing v Cork last year in and if he was we probably would ve won and maybe taken Sam. People heralding Tyrone midfield yet bar AI final Tyrone had trouble midfield. Kerry s biggest problem is not forwards but centre spine of defense. Just to set the record straight on the KS chance. It was a tap over point with the fist, it was a very good goal chance off his right foot, it was neither off his left foot as Peter Harte was coming in off that side and the rest is history. Again these are subtle things and it was one of several terrible decisions made by the players on the day, many of whom were blown away by the pace and power of Tyrone. Paul Geaney has struggled to track runners since 2019 but as we head into 2022, we still have a number of people saying Paul will be fine when it comes to the crunch. He won't. Peter Keane had his favourites but not sure he really developed a way of playing for the players at his disposal. The game has moved on but Keanes reliance on guys like Begley, Morley, Crowley, Murphy, Barry, Geaney and Burns meant we were always going to be short. And so we were. Tyrone had a level of energy and ruthlessness in defence that no Kerry team since 2014 had. I won't pretend to understand the structure of the modern defensive setup of intercounty teams but it seems to be a a basketball/zonal type setup with manmarking in the scoring zone with the aim of the game being to hold up the ball carrier until he overcarries. I'm not sure if we need new people in defence or not but we need to be better at doing what Tyrone did so well at protecting their net. The leaking goals must end if we're to have any hope of success.
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Post by keane on Dec 12, 2021 20:09:37 GMT
It's surely not as simple as putting a big man at number 6 to 'hit anything that moves', think the game has moved on quite a bit from that theory. In any case, surely there would be better candidates for that task then converting an extremely athletic, powerful running midfielder. It's about having a cohesive, well thought out and well coached game plan that the players know inside out through positive and engaging training sessions. That's what Kerry have lacked in the last two years and that's why Tally is in. It's also why a very well coached Tyrone team beat Kerry this year. I'm 100% in agreement that a cohesive, well thought out and well coached game plan is the ultimate tonic and I think we've been really poorly served by the level of detailed tactical preparation we've had compared to for instance Tyrone this year and Dublin under JG. I still think regardless that having a physically imposing and highly athletic player whose number 1 job was to prevent runners through the central channel would have been enough to win us the All Ireland this year (probably 2019 as well) despite our less refined gameplan. I think a player with those attributes would be a bigger asset on the 40 going forward than a smaller, lighter attack minded player of the sort we've often had. I also think it's clear that in games against the best drilled teams they have targeted the fact that we pick guys prone to go walk about for that position and we're left wondering what our CHB is doing up corner forward while strike runners scythe through the heart of our defence off a turnover. I have no doubt there are ways of shoring up the central channel with less imposing players, but having one would be no harm. There may be a fortune of lads out there playing CHB for their clubs in Kerry who could make the step up but I don't think it is unheard of for a club centre fielder to play half back or half forward for the county.
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