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Post by horsebox77 on Dec 9, 2021 22:32:10 GMT
In our last McGrath Cup game in 2020, this is how we lined up against Cork;
Brian Lonergan, Sean T Dillon, James McCarthy, Owen Fitzgerald, Dan McCarthy, Pa Kilkenny, Cormac Coffey, Griffin Warthan & Barry O'Mahony, Adam Donoghue, Paul O'Shea, Ronan Buckley, Paul Walsh, Donal O'Sullivan and Sean Quilter.
I recall O'Mahony holding his own and Donal O'Sullivan playing very well till he went off injured.
That game was played in December due to the team holiday from the 2019 AI final appearance
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Post by thehermit on Dec 9, 2021 23:12:57 GMT
Was that the one we got hockeyed in Horse? I remember sitting on those blue seats in ASP at the time thinking this was a very bad omen for coming against Cork again. And it might have taken 11 more months but the omen came to pass.
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Post by mike70 on Dec 9, 2021 23:25:22 GMT
Was that the one we got hockeyed in Horse? I remember sitting on those blue seats in ASP at the time thinking this was a very bad omen for coming against Cork again. And it might have taken 11 more months but the omen came to pass. can’t be as bad as the day Tralee IT beat A KERRY TEAM WITHOUT THE HOLIDAY MAKERS IN SA, the day kerry were managed by DARAGH
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Post by A.N. Other on Dec 9, 2021 23:33:19 GMT
In our last McGrath Cup game in 2020, this is how we lined up against Cork; Brian Lonergan, Sean T Dillon, James McCarthy, Owen Fitzgerald, Dan McCarthy, Pa Kilkenny, Cormac Coffey, Griffin Warthan & Barry O'Mahony, Adam Donoghue, Paul O'Shea, Ronan Buckley, Paul Walsh, Donal O'Sullivan and Sean Quilter. I recall O'Mahony holding his own and Donal O'Sullivan playing very well till he went off injured. That game was played in December due to the team holiday from the 2019 AI final appearance Without being pedantic, we played Tipperary the following week in Clonmel. I don’t think I’ll ever forget the cold that day, lost by a few points. Paul O’Shea and Cormac Coffey played well that day.
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Post by abù on Dec 10, 2021 8:22:38 GMT
A couple of names mentioned above apparently have got the call from Jack but declined, so one would wonder Is the inter county scene gone too professional? Getting a call up to your county team is a massive achievement and a proud moment for any young man to run onto a field with the county jersey. That massive achievement also brings with it, where you are told not to participate with your club and your friends which you grew up with, along with being instructed on what to eat, time to go to bed, a fitness program to work on in your spare time along with many other commitments. Is the grà of the county jersey diminishing on today’s youth.
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Post by hurlingman on Dec 10, 2021 8:25:34 GMT
I don't understand this idea of fellas who were looked at before can't be again. People are saying Andrew Barry should be looked at, yet he was there a few years back so that should rule him out baced on what some are saying.
The likes of Stephen Stack, Tommy Griffin and Seamus Scanlon were on the panel young and were let go but came back and played big roles in All-Ireland sinning teams.
Anyone who has a good county championship shuld at least be looked at in the league.
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Post by thehermit on Dec 10, 2021 9:00:45 GMT
I don't understand this idea of fellas who were looked at before can't be again. People are saying Andrew Barry should be looked at, yet he was there a few years back so that should rule him out baced on what some are saying. The likes of Stephen Stack, Tommy Griffin and Seamus Scanlon were on the panel young and were let go but came back and played big roles in All-Ireland sinning teams. Anyone who has a good county championship shuld at least be looked at in the league. Agreed, every player progresses and develops at their own rate. Casting aside a fella for all time just because he might not have what it took at 19 or 20 is silly.
Paudi Clifford is surely a great example. Ok he didn't have his greatest game against Tyrone but who did?
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Post by horsebox77 on Dec 10, 2021 9:12:47 GMT
I don't understand this idea of fellas who were looked at before can't be again. People are saying Andrew Barry should be looked at, yet he was there a few years back so that should rule him out baced on what some are saying. The likes of Stephen Stack, Tommy Griffin and Seamus Scanlon were on the panel young and were let go but came back and played big roles in All-Ireland sinning teams. Anyone who has a good county championship shuld at least be looked at in the league. Toyally agree, I think the prime example is Donnachadh Walsh, played a league game in Killarney as a lad just out of minors, was well out of his depth but came back inder Jack as a differant animal.
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Post by mike70 on Dec 10, 2021 9:59:40 GMT
A couple of names mentioned above apparently have got the call from Jack but declined, so one would wonder Is the inter county scene gone too professional? Getting a call up to your county team is a massive achievement and a proud moment for any young man to run onto a field with the county jersey. That massive achievement also brings with it, where you are told not to participate with your club and your friends which you grew up with, along with being instructed on what to eat, time to go to bed, a fitness program to work on in your spare time along with many other commitments. Is the grà of the county jersey diminishing on today’s youth. A huge honour with huge sacrifice, understandable of some don’t take up the opportunity, different times we live in now.
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Post by thehermit on Dec 10, 2021 10:10:22 GMT
A couple of names mentioned above apparently have got the call from Jack but declined, so one would wonder Is the inter county scene gone too professional? Getting a call up to your county team is a massive achievement and a proud moment for any young man to run onto a field with the county jersey. That massive achievement also brings with it, where you are told not to participate with your club and your friends which you grew up with, along with being instructed on what to eat, time to go to bed, a fitness program to work on in your spare time along with many other commitments. Is the grà of the county jersey diminishing on today’s youth. You have to consider the intense pressure too and what it does to young people and why many (dealing with enough things in their lives) simply do not need that hassle.
There was a lad I knew that's still doing he's stuff at club level but he was brought into the Kerry panel about 8 or 9 years ago at this stage. And he couldn't hack it, he was talented enough and was on the bench for League games and even made the match day for one or two Munster championship matches but he told me he was just a nervous wreck. He would be in the toilet cubicle throwing up for half an hour before a game. Mentality it was just too much and after that season and a bit he was gone for good away from the Kerry panel.
And add in today the intense scrutiny that comes from social media and even GAA forums. I went to college with a lad from Carlow that got called up to their hurling team one year and he only lasted the league before he walked away. He just couldn't help looking at a local forum and the criticism he was getting personally on that just shot his confidence. And he was such a nice, decent lad and a serious hurler too but how many people have that mental strength to block out all the negativity that's out there about anything and everything in this social media age.
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Post by john4 on Dec 10, 2021 10:13:48 GMT
A couple of names mentioned above apparently have got the call from Jack but declined, so one would wonder Is the inter county scene gone too professional? Getting a call up to your county team is a massive achievement and a proud moment for any young man to run onto a field with the county jersey. That massive achievement also brings with it, where you are told not to participate with your club and your friends which you grew up with, along with being instructed on what to eat, time to go to bed, a fitness program to work on in your spare time along with many other commitments. Is the grà of the county jersey diminishing on today’s youth. Great points made here. In fact I think this line has been crossed in a lot of the weaker counties with a bit already, In reality, only 1 of 3 counties are going to win the All Ireland next year, Dublin, Kerry or Tyrone, very hard for any fella from outside of these to commit to the hardship required to get to this level.A young fella spends his developing years playing with friends, but this county stuff is a totally different regime altogether. It's the s and c stuff that can be too much.
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Post by onlykerry on Dec 10, 2021 10:57:33 GMT
A couple of names mentioned above apparently have got the call from Jack but declined, so one would wonder Is the inter county scene gone too professional? Getting a call up to your county team is a massive achievement and a proud moment for any young man to run onto a field with the county jersey. That massive achievement also brings with it, where you are told not to participate with your club and your friends which you grew up with, along with being instructed on what to eat, time to go to bed, a fitness program to work on in your spare time along with many other commitments. Is the grà of the county jersey diminishing on today’s youth. I don't think the gra is diminishing but there are certainly other factors at play - The commitment required is all consuming and the manner in which some have been cast aside is not lost on those who get the call. Also its possible that some that declined have been there before on one or more occasions and have decided other elements of their life come first at this point in time. Remember many of those lads have gone through the highs and lows of waiting for a text or a call from their teen years as they would have been involved at minor and U20/21 level - the selection process is brutal and bruising on lads. Absolutely fabulous for those that make it but it can be challenging for those who get cast aside along the way. The game (even at club level) is demanding more and more commitment of amateurs and not everyone is willing to put their life on hold - wait till travel opens up again and I expect the numbers who will head off will go through the roof. Interesting to see London GAA advertising in the County Final programme looking for new recruits from anyone heading to London.
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Post by kerrybhoy06 on Dec 10, 2021 13:20:21 GMT
A couple of names mentioned above apparently have got the call from Jack but declined, so one would wonder Is the inter county scene gone too professional? Getting a call up to your county team is a massive achievement and a proud moment for any young man to run onto a field with the county jersey. That massive achievement also brings with it, where you are told not to participate with your club and your friends which you grew up with, along with being instructed on what to eat, time to go to bed, a fitness program to work on in your spare time along with many other commitments. Is the grà of the county jersey diminishing on today’s youth. Who declined the call?
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Post by Ballyfireside on Dec 10, 2021 13:28:34 GMT
NK is under-represented and then fellas don't think it is worthwhile.
We also have the cream being taken down under, and on a sale or return basis.
These are worrying symptoms of powerful undercurrents that threaten the beautiful game.
I for one don't blame some laddos for turning their backs - some just can't do it, what with life/work commitments, risk of injuries, etc. I know it is an honour and a privilege and anyone would be proud to don the jersey, but the ask has been getting bigger for a while now. I suppose the squeeze is much to do with the amateur aspect but that is a cornerstone of the code.
The powers that be need to examine the underlying causes here and it ain't straight forward.
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Post by clubman on Dec 10, 2021 15:47:30 GMT
A couple of names mentioned above apparently have got the call from Jack but declined, so one would wonder Is the inter county scene gone too professional? Getting a call up to your county team is a massive achievement and a proud moment for any young man to run onto a field with the county jersey. That massive achievement also brings with it, where you are told not to participate with your club and your friends which you grew up with, along with being instructed on what to eat, time to go to bed, a fitness program to work on in your spare time along with many other commitments. Is the grà of the county jersey diminishing on today’s youth. Every fella is built differently, in the not too distant past I spoke with a fella who had trained on the county panel. While he was delighted with the opportunity he told me he simply felt too guilty watching his club side struggle for numbers every other weekend. He walked away from it and had no regrets. We all know plenty lads who would'nt be great clubmen and would not feel the same type of guilt. Being on a county panel is almost a full time job and has been for several years now, even some of the commitment required at club level is staggering
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Post by kerrybhoy06 on Dec 10, 2021 17:57:13 GMT
A couple of names mentioned above apparently have got the call from Jack but declined, so one would wonder Is the inter county scene gone too professional? Getting a call up to your county team is a massive achievement and a proud moment for any young man to run onto a field with the county jersey. That massive achievement also brings with it, where you are told not to participate with your club and your friends which you grew up with, along with being instructed on what to eat, time to go to bed, a fitness program to work on in your spare time along with many other commitments. Is the grà of the county jersey diminishing on today’s youth. Every fella is built differently, in the not too distant past I spoke with a fella who had trained on the county panel. While he was delighted with the opportunity he told me he simply felt too guilty watching his club side struggle for numbers every other weekend. He walked away from it and had no regrets. We all know plenty lads who would'nt be great clubmen and would not feel the same type of guilt. Being on a county panel is almost a full time job and has been for several years now, even some of the commitment required at club level is staggering Looks at posters name… are you guy mentioned in the story?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 10, 2021 21:27:15 GMT
I think we can look at things too simplistically at times when assessing players. A player being slow or small can be a problem and may limit how far they go but that is not to say, these players can’t contribute in certain scenarios. Things like mindset, reading of the game, basic skill levels are harder to assess for supporters than more physical attributes like pace and power.
There have been a few guys over the past decade who have gotten lots of opportunities even though they clearly lacked skill and game intelligence. They looked the part physically and every now and again, they could hit a guy a shoulder but when it came to the crunch, they were not at the level required.
The likes of Savage and Barry have flaws in their games which will likely make it hard for them to ever nail down a spot on the county team but I think they have attributes that are worth seeing more of.
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Post by mossie on Dec 10, 2021 21:48:10 GMT
A couple of names mentioned above apparently have got the call from Jack but declined, so one would wonder Is the inter county scene gone too professional? Getting a call up to your county team is a massive achievement and a proud moment for any young man to run onto a field with the county jersey. That massive achievement also brings with it, where you are told not to participate with your club and your friends which you grew up with, along with being instructed on what to eat, time to go to bed, a fitness program to work on in your spare time along with many other commitments. Is the grà of the county jersey diminishing on today’s youth. I don't think the gra is diminishing but there are certainly other factors at play - The commitment required is all consuming and the manner in which some have been cast aside is not lost on those who get the call. Also its possible that some that declined have been there before on one or more occasions and have decided other elements of their life come first at this point in time. Remember many of those lads have gone through the highs and lows of waiting for a text or a call from their teen years as they would have been involved at minor and U20/21 level - the selection process is brutal and bruising on lads. Absolutely fabulous for those that make it but it can be challenging for those who get cast aside along the way. The game (even at club level) is demanding more and more commitment of amateurs and not everyone is willing to put their life on hold - wait till travel opens up again and I expect the numbers who will head off will go through the roof. Interesting to see London GAA advertising in the County Final programme looking for new recruits from anyone heading to London. The drink ban culture among some (not all) inter county managers sums it up. Imagine an issue being made of a player having a pint or two at a family wedding or a best friend wedding, a week before a championship match, for * sake as if a few pints a week before a match is going to undo a season's training. whilst a professional soccer player has a few drinks a few days before a match and no one bats an eye lid I get the vibe inter county managers may be moving away from the drink ban type scenarios thankfully
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Post by Deleted on Dec 10, 2021 21:58:15 GMT
We all like to think if we got the opportunity play for Kerry, we would take it without question but if you are a fringe panel member, the benefits are less obvious. You will play very few games for most of the year and this is the reason we all start playing to begin with. You also have to make major sacrifices in terms of both your personal and professional life for relatively little reward.
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Post by mossie on Dec 10, 2021 22:03:36 GMT
Barry, Casey & coffee definitely in for another look, IMO both better than some of the current 1 to 25 , I think your off the mark re savage, he played under EF in his first year and he was excellent from memory, and was no sending offs, I think no protection at club level, leaves him frustrated, but his football intelligence is second to none, as stated previously this is about strengthening your squad and he with the others would 100% contribute to this goal. As another poster mentioned, it’s about getting the players equipped for top flight and unfortunately a few out there might be good athletes, they don’t have football brains, let’s get the ballers in. I dont recall Jack being excellent and if he was, why did he disappear off the radar? In my mind he, like Andrew Barry, is a very good club player but lacks the pace for top level inter county football. Paudie and Seanie struggled badly against Tyrone - that alone tells you the level required. The best 2 backs in the county championship for me were Dylan Casey and Cormac Coffee. Dylan, in my humble opinion, is already the best man marker in Kerry and Cormac has the pace, aggression and ability to transition between defence and attack, that Kerry need. The squad is packed with far too many players playing in the lower reaches of Kerry football and many of these were dire in the recent championship. They should not be given a free pass to return to the fold just because they sat idly on the bench under Keane. just one thing to say about Jack Savage, his footpassing and distribution was superb during the county championship, whether that is enough to elevate him into the 20 or so players Kerry use on a match day is another debate
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Post by sullyschoice on Dec 10, 2021 22:09:53 GMT
Would anyone consider Pat Spillanes youngfella might get a look. He was very impressive with St Judes up here in the county championship. I must say I never heard anything g about hom until recently. He is a big athletic fella. I heard Jack was up watching the game.
A pal of mine is involved with Judes and they rate him very highly.
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Post by greengold35 on Dec 10, 2021 22:21:47 GMT
Would anyone consider Pat Spillanes youngfella might get a look. He was very impressive with St Judes up here in the county championship. I must say I never heard anything g about hom until recently. He is a big athletic fella. I heard Jack was up watching the game. A pal of mine is involved with Judes and they rate him very highly. Strange thing was that when involved with Templenoe he rarely started, normally a sub! I had heard also that Jack was checking out Jack McGuire in that encounter.
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Post by kerrybhoy06 on Dec 11, 2021 16:12:33 GMT
Calls went out Wednesday & Thursday morning, what are people hearing?
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Post by heyjude on Dec 11, 2021 17:48:17 GMT
I heard Shane Murphy is returning to the fold. Fitzgibbon appears to be gone.
Other fringe players from last year's panel are also gone I believe.
In terms of County Championship standouts, Jack Savage and Michael O'Gara are in.
The thread makes for very interesting reading. One thing I will say re names mentioned in other posts, I would be absolutely astounded to see Eanna O Conchuir involved with the Kerry Seniors in 2022.
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Post by Whosinmidfield on Dec 11, 2021 18:53:44 GMT
I heard Shane Murphy is returning to the fold. Fitzgibbon appears to be gone. Other fringe players from last year's panel are also gone I believe. In terms of County Championship standouts, Jack Savage and Michael O'Gara are in. The thread makes for very interesting reading. One thing I will say re names mentioned in other posts, I would be absolutely astounded to see Eanna O Conchuir involved with the Kerry Seniors in 2022. Very harsh on Eanna O’Conchuir. Ok his decision making needs to improve but I think there’s a good chance that could be really improved by good coaching. He has some very very strong points to his game. He is very athletic and strong and can score. He offers a lot as a wing forward. I can see that he’s a bit of a project maybe not overly dissimilar to Gavin O’Brien but that statement is a bit much in my opinion. What other names have been dropped and called in can you tell us?
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Post by clubman on Dec 11, 2021 18:57:02 GMT
Every fella is built differently, in the not too distant past I spoke with a fella who had trained on the county panel. While he was delighted with the opportunity he told me he simply felt too guilty watching his club side struggle for numbers every other weekend. He walked away from it and had no regrets. We all know plenty lads who would'nt be great clubmen and would not feel the same type of guilt. Being on a county panel is almost a full time job and has been for several years now, even some of the commitment required at club level is staggering Looks at posters name… are you guy mentioned in the story? Hardly likely, I was average at best and besides, my playing days are well behind me!
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Post by Mickmack on Dec 11, 2021 19:36:12 GMT
Calls went out Wednesday & Thursday morning, what are people hearing? Lets start of with the KoR jury...whats the news there?
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Post by kerryboyo on Dec 11, 2021 20:00:45 GMT
Calls went out Wednesday & Thursday morning, what are people hearing? Lets start of with the KoR jury...whats the news there? savage is in Coffey got no call from what I’ve heard
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Post by kerrybhoy06 on Dec 11, 2021 21:16:30 GMT
The way I look at it is that Kerry have loads of forwards. Scoring forwards like David Paul Killian Spillane Seanie Shea Tony Brosnan. Hard workers like Burns Paudie Moynihan and maybe Diarmuid I Connor of he not midfield. Savage is a good club play but I can't see him offering anything different to others and tbh I'd prefer Tomás Ó Sé and Dónal Ó Sullivan. For me midfield and maybe two strong backs. I really think we need a stopper centre back who can réad the game like Andrew Barry. I also like Coffey as a defender. Tenacious and fast. I like 5he look of Dylan Casey too. You might not be in favour of the lads called up, which is fine, but to say we have lots of scoring forwards is just not true. In our biggest game in 2020 (Cork) and 2021 (Tyrone) we were relying on either David from play or seanie from frees with no one else really threatening so we definitely don’t have enough scoring options and it’s that lack that has caused us over the last few years
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Post by keane on Dec 11, 2021 21:30:07 GMT
The way I look at it is that Kerry have loads of forwards. Scoring forwards like David Paul Killian Spillane Seanie Shea Tony Brosnan. Hard workers like Burns Paudie Moynihan and maybe Diarmuid I Connor of he not midfield. Savage is a good club play but I can't see him offering anything different to others and tbh I'd prefer Tomás Ó Sé and Dónal Ó Sullivan. For me midfield and maybe two strong backs. I really think we need a stopper centre back who can réad the game like Andrew Barry. I also like Coffey as a defender. Tenacious and fast. I like 5he look of Dylan Casey too. Tomas O Se wouldn't lace his boots.
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