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Post by Mickmack on Jun 21, 2019 9:13:02 GMT
During the league i thought Kerry's half forward line of Dara Moynihan, Sean o Shea and Gavin oBrien was a potent weapon but only SOS starts there tomorrow.
Its the key line in many ways. If the half forward isnt getting the better of the opposition half back line you will be struggling.
You would be needing 6 or7 points from the middle 8 nowadays.
I dunno whether Dara Moynihan is miscast as a corner forward. He seemed to the manor born as a wing forward
Maybe they will go with a two man FF line anyway. Time will tell.
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Post by taggert on Jun 21, 2019 9:50:42 GMT
During the league i thought Kerry's half forward line of Dara Moynihan, Sean o Shea and Gavin oBrien was a potent weapon but only SOS starts there tomorrow. Its the key line in many ways. If the half forward isnt getting the better of the opposition half back line you will be struggling. You would be needing 6 or7 points from the middle 8 nowadays. I dunno whether Dara Moynihan is miscast as a corner forward. He seemed to the manor born as a wing forward Maybe they will go with a two man FF line anyway. Time will tell. Will be amazed if DM remains in the corner. That means you have 2 out of 3 insitu. WRT to DOC, he is steadily growing into being a Kerry senior footballer and early nervousness is now being replaced with much more assurance. Will be a mainstay in years to come if not sooner. This is O'Briens first year in the setup and therefore he has less S&C done than his colleagues - manifest in the long stretches of games where he is not involved. Once he gets to a point where his S&C reaches the baseline level for a top tier county player, this will allow him make more of the very telling interventions which we saw from him sporadically throughout the league.
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Post by backofthenet on Jun 21, 2019 10:06:41 GMT
Fully agree with you taggert about DM, I reckon he will be on the wing with S O’B or DC playing at the edge of the D as a link to a two man full-forward containing Geaney and one of the aforementioned guys. I have to say I’m a bit underwhelmed with the lack of inside forwards or certainly corner forwards on the bench. Tomas O’Sé is very unfortunate to not have a jersey, is he still not 100%? He did well at the Comortas.
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Post by dc84 on Jun 21, 2019 10:22:43 GMT
Ah Moynihan will definitely be on the wing with o brien floating just like in the league. In fairness to o brien I thought he was excellent in the league our best forward by a distance until Clifford came back.
On the inside forwards we are light there I remain unconvinced that without the mark what impact t.walsh will have hopefully I'm proven very wrong!
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Post by Kingdomson on Jun 21, 2019 10:25:40 GMT
kerrygaa.proboards.com/attachment/download/216Best of luck to the Kerry team, Peter Keane and his management. Happy with that team and of course shame JOD is not available but this was expected and no secret, it's frustrating for all and not least the player himself. Otherwise, very strong selection by the Kerry management and look you can only play the hand you're dealt. Someone inferred in a comment to me during the past week that there are at least 10 Conor Cox's in Kerry, well if there are which in my opinion is a gross exaggeration and simply isn't true as of today - there not on the Kerry bench or available to this management team. We're expecting an awful lot out of some very young boys who are still only physically developing into seniors and we'll have some serious seniors on our hands in 2- 3 seasons time, when they have built up more experience and a couple of more seasons of s&c conditioning behind them. Come on the Kingdom, do your very best lads and whatever the result we can ask no more - your time will come. There's huge good will for this team and management in the county and their humilty is refreshing - this team won't lack for support tomorrow or as the year goes on. Ciarraí Abú
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Post by buck02 on Jun 21, 2019 10:38:00 GMT
During the league i thought Kerry's half forward line of Dara Moynihan, Sean o Shea and Gavin oBrien was a potent weapon but only SOS starts there tomorrow.
Its the key line in many ways. If the half forward isnt getting the better of the opposition half back line you will be struggling. You would be needing 6 or7 points from the middle 8 nowadays. I dunno whether Dara Moynihan is miscast as a corner forward. He seemed to the manor born as a wing forward Maybe they will go with a two man FF line anyway. Time will tell. Mick this might surprise you but players dont always line out where they are picked.
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Post by greengold35 on Jun 21, 2019 10:38:29 GMT
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Post by backofthenet on Jun 21, 2019 10:39:33 GMT
Ah Moynihan will definitely be on the wing with o brien floating just like in the league. In fairness to o brien I thought he was excellent in the league our best forward by a distance until Clifford came back. On the inside forwards we are light there I remain unconvinced that without the mark what impact t.walsh will have hopefully I'm proven very wrong! Fully agree with your apprehension with regards Tommy Walsh, the mark suited him down to the ground. Also I believe Loughrey would be far more comfortable marking someone like Walsh as opposed to Geaney, Clifford or O’Brien. I thought his legs were gone early in the second half of last years final and he didn’t come on till the 20th minuteso he could be a potential area of serious joy for the Kerry attack if they can move it quickly.
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Post by dc84 on Jun 21, 2019 11:19:21 GMT
Ah Moynihan will definitely be on the wing with o brien floating just like in the league. In fairness to o brien I thought he was excellent in the league our best forward by a distance until Clifford came back. On the inside forwards we are light there I remain unconvinced that without the mark what impact t.walsh will have hopefully I'm proven very wrong! Fully agree with your apprehension with regards Tommy Walsh, the mark suited him down to the ground. Also I believe Loughrey would be far more comfortable marking someone like Walsh as opposed to Geaney, Clifford or O’Brien. I thought his legs were gone early in the second half of last years final and he didn’t come on till the 20th minuteso he could be a potential area of serious joy for the Kerry attack if they can move it quickly. Agree that full back line and loughrey in particular is there to be got at imo I dont get why cork seem to rate him so highly. Will cork go defensive I wonder haven't seen them at all this year I know they battered limerick but limerick are a very poor team 2nd or thrid worst in the country so I wouldn't read too much into that game at all. Best of luck to our boys tomorrow !
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Post by Mickmack on Jun 21, 2019 11:20:26 GMT
During the league i thought Kerry's half forward line of Dara Moynihan, Sean o Shea and Gavin oBrien was a potent weapon but only SOS starts there tomorrow.
Its the key line in many ways. If the half forward isnt getting the better of the opposition half back line you will be struggling. You would be needing 6 or7 points from the middle 8 nowadays. I dunno whether Dara Moynihan is miscast as a corner forward. He seemed to the manor born as a wing forward Maybe they will go with a two man FF line anyway. Time will tell. Mick this might surprise you but players dont always line out where they are picked. You're not serious!
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Post by dc84 on Jun 21, 2019 14:29:03 GMT
A lot of people in papers and around the country keep saying defence is poor. I'd love to know the facts behind that e had a good league defence wise.I like the look of our defence I think Sherwood has been a really good edition with Morley back fit and in good form judging by his performance against an gealtacht. Such a pity Peter got injured thought he was settling in to corner back well and that would mean we have a versatile fullback line who could all play corner back or full back. If you lose midfield badly then no defence can cope realistically. I'd rather have started Gavin Crowley as I believe white could be a deadly weapon coming on for last 20
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Post by john4 on Jun 21, 2019 15:14:11 GMT
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Post by Mickmack on Jun 21, 2019 15:43:41 GMT
I would say Tim Murphy is delighted to have his contacts in the Cork County Board outed in this article!!!
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Post by themanfromthewest on Jun 21, 2019 15:44:29 GMT
A lot of people in papers and around the country keep saying defence is poor. I'd love to know the facts behind that e had a good league defence wise.I like the look of our defence I think Sherwood has been a really good edition with Morley back fit and in good form judging by his performance against an gealtacht. Such a pity Peter got injured thought he was settling in to corner back well and that would mean we have a versatile fullback line who could all play corner back or full back. If you lose midfield badly then no defence can cope realistically. I'd rather have started Gavin Crowley as I believe white could be a deadly weapon coming on for last 20 I think we have made progress in defence but the big tests lie ahead. We probably have 5 half backs playing in defence though and this might prove to be a big difficulty when you are trying to match up with a team like Donegal or Dublin who have very good forwards that will need to be marked. Who is our main man marker now? I don’t actually know. I like what I have seen so far from the defence though.
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Post by dc84 on Jun 21, 2019 16:07:20 GMT
A lot of people in papers and around the country keep saying defence is poor. I'd love to know the facts behind that e had a good league defence wise.I like the look of our defence I think Sherwood has been a really good edition with Morley back fit and in good form judging by his performance against an gealtacht. Such a pity Peter got injured thought he was settling in to corner back well and that would mean we have a versatile fullback line who could all play corner back or full back. If you lose midfield badly then no defence can cope realistically. I'd rather have started Gavin Crowley as I believe white could be a deadly weapon coming on for last 20 I think we have made progress in defence but the big tests lie ahead. We probably have 5 half backs playing in defence though and this might prove to be a big difficulty when you are trying to match up with a team like Donegal or Dublin who have very good forwards that will need to be marked. Who is our main man marker now? I don’t actually know. I like what I have seen so far from the defence though. You would have to think Jason foley I personally think he is the most natural man marker
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Post by themanfromthewest on Jun 21, 2019 17:58:07 GMT
I think we have made progress in defence but the big tests lie ahead. We probably have 5 half backs playing in defence though and this might prove to be a big difficulty when you are trying to match up with a team like Donegal or Dublin who have very good forwards that will need to be marked. Who is our main man marker now? I don’t actually know. I like what I have seen so far from the defence though. You would have to think Jason foley I personally think he is the most natural man marker We will see, I think he might struggle mightily on a man like Mannion, McManus or Mcbrearty and that would be completely understandable given his age, then again can any back hold those guys. I do think Jason is an All Star in the making though.
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Post by southward on Jun 21, 2019 18:02:45 GMT
Lack of a good inside forward on the bench is an issue- where is Tony Brosnan these days? I don’t like our bench selections and have been saying this for ages- I feel that we rarely have the type of a player who can give you something different or the option to change gameplan. Gavin O Brien is the only option I can see that will give us a bit of something else. I think without the mark- Tommy is goosed as his pace is shot. Deane will be a big challenge for our defence as he’s the kind of player we struggle with, a direct runner, and it’ll be interesting to see can we set up to handle this. I’d imagine we are going for a 3 across the middle structure with O connor dropping in as an auxiliary midfielder. O Brien and Moynihan will be used as ball carriers/running options from the middle third and Sean will be used as a link man to the 2 inside men. They will obviously try to run Sean so as to take him away from his preferred poison and I’ll be watching out for how we deal with this- we’ll prob get him to pass his man onto Moynihan or o brien and remain in situ. It’ll be a tighter affair than last year for sure- I reckon Kerry by 6/7 I understand he's off to the States for the summer. Strange he was never included this year - must be something between him and Peter Keane, but who knows?
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Post by kerrygold on Jun 21, 2019 18:19:26 GMT
Don't know why Eamonn can't just go away for a while and keep his beak shut. He has become tiresome over the past year or two.
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Post by themanfromthewest on Jun 21, 2019 18:30:32 GMT
Don't know why Eamonn can't just go away for a while and keep his beak shut. He has become tiresome over the past year or two. what has he said now?
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Post by greengold35 on Jun 21, 2019 18:33:26 GMT
Don't know why Eamonn can't just go away for a while and keep his beak shut. He has become tiresome over the past year or two. Money!
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Post by Deleted on Jun 21, 2019 18:37:16 GMT
Eamon has greater insight to offer than most and says a lot less than other Kerry GAA personalities.
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Post by fitz on Jun 21, 2019 18:43:31 GMT
Fully agree with your apprehension with regards Tommy Walsh, the mark suited him down to the ground. Also I believe Loughrey would be far more comfortable marking someone like Walsh as opposed to Geaney, Clifford or O’Brien. I thought his legs were gone early in the second half of last years final and he didn’t come on till the 20th minuteso he could be a potential area of serious joy for the Kerry attack if they can move it quickly. Agree that full back line and loughrey in particular is there to be got at imo I dont get why cork seem to rate him so highly. Will cork go defensive I wonder haven't seen them at all this year I know they battered limerick but limerick are a very poor team 2nd or thrid worst in the country so I wouldn't read too much into that game at all. Best of luck to our boys tomorrow ! You just have to watch the Limerick full back for Cork's first two goals. He was out saving the wheat or barley or something on Jupiter
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Jun 21, 2019 19:00:11 GMT
Don't know why Eamonn can't just go away for a while and keep his beak shut. He has become tiresome over the past year or two. What is this referring to?
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Post by baurtregaum on Jun 21, 2019 19:21:27 GMT
Ha ha, revenge for 1987 when someone with the keys for Fitzgerald Stadium let Larry Tompkins in to practice his frees for the replay (IIRC), as he had never played there. Really upset Dwyer and probably affected his focus for that game.
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Post by southward on Jun 21, 2019 20:03:29 GMT
Ha ha, revenge for 1987 when someone with the keys for Fitzgerald Stadium let Larry Tompkins in to practice his frees for the replay (IIRC), as he had never played there. Really upset Dwyer and probably affected his focus for that game. Fine, but why does he have to go mouthing off about it the day before a M/F? Only motivating the opposition.
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Post by royalkerryfan on Jun 21, 2019 20:11:59 GMT
Ha ha, revenge for 1987 when someone with the keys for Fitzgerald Stadium let Larry Tompkins in to practice his frees for the replay (IIRC), as he had never played there. Really upset Dwyer and probably affected his focus for that game. Fine, but why does he have to go mouthing off about it the day before a M/F? Only motivating the opposition. Its hardly mouthing off, If Cork need that as motivation then they may pack it in. Look did you see Dublins media piece for the Leinster Final ? In house Dublin TV rubbish that they gave to journalists. We getting nothing insightful anymore as they are all banned from talking and giving interviews.
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Post by Ballyfireside on Jun 21, 2019 20:19:08 GMT
You would have to think Jason foley I personally think he is the most natural man marker We will see, I think he might struggle mightily on a man like Mannion, McManus or Mcbrearty and that would be completely understandable given his age, then again can any back hold those guys. I do think Jason is an All Star in the making though. Ballydonoghue's Jason apparently turned down a US scholarship for athletics, and if he was he the fastest 100m around, would that render him suitable for other positions? Then again forwards need fast markers and moreover these days when playing out of position is the norm and a defender may need to get inside his man, having been in front of him to win possession from an incoming ball. He is a very intelligent player and as was seen in an AI Minor Final where he showed symptoms of Johno at FB - and he destroyed the now brilliant Jamie Brennan here in Letterkenny in his senior debut for us in 2017. While 5'11" isn't massive and while it may be an optical illusion, I just sensed he veered a bit on tight bends and where a nippy CF would have a lower centre of gravity. Naoise Ó Baoil of Gweedore at 5'5" would be a good man to test Jason, that'll be the day when the mighty Ballydonoghue faces down Japan!
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Post by john4 on Jun 21, 2019 20:27:20 GMT
Ha ha, revenge for 1987 when someone with the keys for Fitzgerald Stadium let Larry Tompkins in to practice his frees for the replay (IIRC), as he had never played there. Really upset Dwyer and probably affected his focus for that game. Fine, but why does he have to go mouthing off about it the day before a M/F? Only motivating the opposition. I'd see this the other way, by bringing this out in the open now, it reawakens the division that seems to exist between the County Board and the Football team and management, and weakens their unity of purpose. I never heard that this happened last year, it's truly shocking from a Cork player's perspective after all the Cork money that went into the new stadium that the Kerry team were allowed access to it and they weren't. It actually goes a long ways to explain their performance on the field in last year's MF, and subsequently in the league, when you'd hear that. If you can't count on the people in your own corner to do the right thing by you. You truly are on your own.
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Post by piggott on Jun 21, 2019 20:37:24 GMT
You would have to think Jason foley I personally think he is the most natural man marker We will see, I think he might struggle mightily on a man like Mannion, McManus or Mcbrearty and that would be completely understandable given his age, then again can any back hold those guys. I do think Jason is an All Star in the making though. Cant understand people making the excuse regarding Foley's age. He is four years out of minors!.
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Post by themanfromthewest on Jun 21, 2019 20:48:19 GMT
We will see, I think he might struggle mightily on a man like Mannion, McManus or Mcbrearty and that would be completely understandable given his age, then again can any back hold those guys. I do think Jason is an All Star in the making though. Ballydonoghue's Jason apparently turned down a US scholarship for athletics, and if he was he the fastest 100m around, would that render him suitable for other positions? Then again forwards need fast markers and moreover these days when playing out of position is the norm and a defender may need to get inside his man, having been in front of him to win possession from an incoming ball. He is a very intelligent player and as was seen in an AI Minor Final where he showed symptoms of Johno at FB - and he destroyed the now brilliant Jamie Brennan here in Letterkenny in his senior debut for us in 2017. While 5'11" isn't massive and while it may be an optical illusion, I just sensed he veered a bit on tight bends and where a nippy CF would have a lower centre of gravity. Naoise Ó Baoil of Gweedore at 5'5" would be a good man to test Jason, that'll be the day when the mighty Ballydonoghue faces down Japan! Horses for courses, a small nippy forward would more likely be picked up by someone like Tom O’Sullivan. It’s all about getting your matchups right.
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