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Post by bannerman on Jun 23, 2019 10:29:42 GMT
Also Shane enright got no run last night He started and completed game v clare 2/3 weeks ago Begley and Griffin came on in defence ahead him last night Begley saw no action v clare Griffin came on midfield So, they coming on defence last night ahead Shane does not add up
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Post by greengold35 on Jun 23, 2019 10:30:20 GMT
I think that as far as PK & Co are concerned its job done, super 8s achieved and a home game in Killarney in 3 weeks most likely against Galway - its Donegal/Cavan then in Croke Park and a final away game vs Leinster runners up/qualifier.
Munster finals in Cork are always a potential banana skin as the problem for Kerry and indeed Cork is that its seen as Cork's All Ireland - win it and they seem to be content with their lot, lose and its the same old story.
We needed that kind of a game last night as we really are only still feeling our way since the conclusion of the league. Contesting a league final was a bonus, but it also was costly in terms of injuries to Jack Barry, Dara Moynihan & Paul Murphy; the club month in April was probably not helpful either even though lads probably needed a break from inter county activity, it also impacted on our training schedule and saw injuries to Gavin White when dislocating his elbow. All of the above lead to the less than helpful scenario where we were playing guys last night who have been absent and are trying to work their way up to championship pitch.
The defensive problems can only be rectified by playing a sweeper - there seems to be no other solution and the solidity we crave can be found in this tweak - I am sure we have tried it and whilst it could not be perfected in the coming 3 weeks its certainly worth looking into or the concession of " soft " scores will continue when teams run at us. I think Brian O'Beaglaoi could fill this role comfortably given his pace but there must be someone tried in this role.
The other tweak has to be in the full forward line where our first option must be to find David Clifford, our second option is to find David Clifford and our final option is to find David Clifford! We seemed reluctant last night to seek him out, carrying ball endlessly forward and being turned over on occasions - what would be wrong in dinking 30/40 yard passes to him especially with his ball winning abilities and scoring accuracy? I just don't understand it.
We are in a good place - lots of options to ponder, work to be done at the front and the back, training will be interesting in the coming weeks.
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Jun 23, 2019 10:30:26 GMT
I thought Diarmuid O'Connor did well.
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Post by brucewayne on Jun 23, 2019 10:36:31 GMT
The atmosphere for the 2nd half last night was brilliant. The crowd got behind Cork in a big way so it was great to see the lads respond so well to that and see out the game. Cork have a few fine players now, this fixture next year should be even better. The amount of whinging going on here is baffling.
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Post by greengold35 on Jun 23, 2019 10:39:39 GMT
will geaney be suspended for next game? No - free to play next game, sending off was a combination of yellow and black cards, not a straight red.
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Jun 23, 2019 11:02:19 GMT
will geaney be suspended for next game? No - free to play next game, sending off was a combination of yellow and black cards, not a straight red. I thought it should have been two yellows but I suppose it was an off the ball deliberate body collide.
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Post by dc84 on Jun 23, 2019 11:04:26 GMT
will geaney be suspended for next game? No only a straight red could do that.
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Post by homerj on Jun 23, 2019 11:36:39 GMT
so am i right ?
fixture 1 - home to galway or who ever beats them in round 4 fixture 2 - croke park against ulster champions fixture 3 - away to losing leinster finalists or who ever beats them in round 4
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Post by greengold35 on Jun 23, 2019 12:03:09 GMT
so am i right ? fixture 1 - home to galway or who ever beats them in round 4 fixture 2 - croke park against ulster champions fixture 3 - away to losing leinster finalists or who ever beats them in round 4 That’s it - fixture 1 on w/e of 13/14 July, followed by fixture 2 on 20/21st with a 2 week break to final game.
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Post by buck02 on Jun 23, 2019 12:13:03 GMT
A football supporter always likes to go to an exciting, high scoring game that their teams wins so on that basis I was glad I made the journey last night. It was only a pity that so many stayed away, if there was another 10,000 there the atmosphere would have been brilliant altogether in the second half.
Cork probably wont get the praise they deserve here but in fairness to them they played very well for spells last night and showed a bit of guts that many people thought they didnt have. Tactically they also threw a few curve balls at Kerry last night that we struggled to respond to and that is something for Peter Keane and his backroom team to get to grips with.
It is obviously better to learn about your deficiencies at this time of the summer than later on. Whether or not we can sort these out is another matter unfortunately.
The goalkeeper situation (Eamon Fitz owed an apology by some IMO) and the lack of a defensive plan and good man markers are the main worry.
People will point the finger at our midfield for Cork running through us on a number of occasions but very often Sean White (Cork number 6) and even James Loughrey were running off the shoulder and offering a spare man. Our forwards were guilty of not tracking and not tackling and I'm sure this will not please Donie Buckley.
Up front we were very economical and Steven O Brien continued his fine league form. He has probably been our player of the year. Paul Geaneys form remains a big worry and we need a fit and an inform James O Donoghue back for the Super 8s if we are to get out of the group - because simply put I think we will need to be putting up big scores of 20-23 points in every game as we will be conceding a lot at the other end.
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Post by egbabroad on Jun 23, 2019 12:17:54 GMT
Do we know if the 1st qualifier will be on the 13th or 14th, looking at flights
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Post by gbbuei on Jun 23, 2019 12:20:32 GMT
The other tweak has to be in the full forward line where our first option must be to find David Clifford, our second option is to find David Clifford and our final option is to find David Clifford! We seemed reluctant last night to seek him out, carrying ball endlessly forward and being turned over on occasions - what would be wrong in dinking 30/40 yard passes to him especially with his ball winning abilities and scoring accuracy? I just don't understand it. Agree with you wholeheartedly there! In an open game like that last night he would have the winning of it on his own
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Post by buck02 on Jun 23, 2019 12:26:32 GMT
Do we know if the 1st qualifier will be on the 13th or 14th, looking at flights Not yet. I think they be announced early next week.
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Post by greengold35 on Jun 23, 2019 12:27:01 GMT
A football supporter always likes to go to an exciting, high scoring game that their teams wins so on that basis I was glad I made the journey last night. It was only a pity that so many stayed away, if there was another 10,000 there the atmosphere would have been brilliant altogether in the second half. Cork probably wont get the praise they deserve here but in fairness to them they played very well for spells last night and showed a bit of guts that many people thought they didnt have. Tactically they also threw a few curve balls at Kerry last night that we struggled to respond to and that is something for Peter Keane and his backroom team to get to grips with. It is obviously better to learn about your deficiencies at this time of the summer than later on. Whether or not we can sort these out is another matter unfortunately. The goalkeeper situation (Eamon Fitz owed an apology by some IMO) and the lack of a defensive plan and good man markers are the main worry. People will point the finger at our midfield for Cork running through us on a number of occasions but very often Sean White (Cork number 6) and even James Loughrey were running off the shoulder and offering a spare man. Our forwards were guilty of not tracking and not tackling and I'm sure this will not please Donie Buckley. Up front we were very economical and Steven O Brien continued his fine league form. He has probably been our player of the year. Paul Geaneys form remains a big worry and we need a fit and an inform James O Donoghue back for the Super 8s if we are to get out of the group - because simply put I think we will need to be putting up big scores of 20-23 points in every game as we will be conceding a lot at the other end. Corks two changes to the match programme saw White playing at Centre forward with Clancy @ Centre back.
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Post by homerj on Jun 23, 2019 12:27:34 GMT
hopefully theres a huge turnout for the first game in killarney.
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Jun 23, 2019 12:39:56 GMT
Did Kerry have only one wide yesterday?
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Post by buck02 on Jun 23, 2019 13:07:45 GMT
Did Kerry have only one wide yesterday? No wides in the first half but I think 3 in the 2nd. Diarmuid o Connor in Kerrys first attack of 2nd half, Seanie kicked a free wide and I'm not sure of the other.
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Post by Attacking Wing Back on Jun 23, 2019 13:33:10 GMT
I would fear for us against Donegal based on their 1st half against cavan
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Jun 23, 2019 13:42:40 GMT
I would fear for us against Donegal based on their 1st half against cavan In terms of physicality alone.
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Post by maryo on Jun 23, 2019 13:43:56 GMT
I would fear for us against Donegal based on their 1st half against cavan In terms of physicality alone.
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Post by maryo on Jun 23, 2019 13:45:21 GMT
In terms of physicality alone. We have never replaced Seamus Moynihan, our backs would not be able for Donegal
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Post by greengold35 on Jun 23, 2019 13:47:21 GMT
Did Kerry have only one wide yesterday? No wides in the first half but I think 3 in the 2nd. Diarmuid o Connor in Kerrys first attack of 2nd half, Seanie kicked a free wide and I'm not sure of the other. Seanie O’Shea palmed a ball wide late in the game following some good inter play with Paul Murphy.
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Post by kerrybhoy06 on Jun 23, 2019 13:48:42 GMT
I would fear for us against Donegal based on their 1st half against cavan How many of this Donegal team have come off the minor team that we beat in the final a few years back?
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Post by The16thMan on Jun 23, 2019 14:00:14 GMT
In my opinion we need to have someone better than Sherwood at 6 and Morley at 3. This would be my preferred team, even though a lot of people wouldn't go for it on here this is the team I would go for. 1) Ryan 2) Shane Enright 3) Jason Foley 4) Tom O'Sullivan 5) Paul Murphy 6) Jack Barry 7) Gavin White 8) Seánie Shea 9) David Moran 10) Diarmuid O'Connor 11) James O'Donoghue 12) Dara Moynihan 13) David Clifford 14) Paul Geaney 15) Stephen O' Brien
The reason for JOD at centre would be because he has that sudden burst of speed to burst from attack to defence quickly and while SOB is not short of pace either JOD is a more accurate shooter from distance and that would be vital against 12/13 man packed defences. Jack Barry at 6 is because he's too defensive for midfield and lacks pace to get forward so he could stay back and mind the house whilst he isn't the worst tackler on the team either. Finally Seánie at midfield is due to him being strong enough for the position and he also very accurate with his kick passing into the forward line which is also crucial so we can get quick ball into the full forward line before the numbers get back into the opposition defence.
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Post by Kingdomson on Jun 23, 2019 14:00:27 GMT
Congratulations to the Kerry team, Peter Keane and management on winning the 2019 Munster Football Championship! A 7 in a row just achieved and 9 Munster titles out of the 10 available during this decade means the Munster province remains firmly in Kingdom control. I don’t know the stats on this or how it compares with the team of 75’ but last nights Kerry team must have been one of the youngest to ever represent the county at senior level? There was certainly a lot of callow Kerry youth around the place anyway and they showed remarkable fortitude and calmness when challenged. There was no panic even when a man down and Cork full of hurt pride and indignation throwing the kitchen sink at Kerry. Instead, Kerry’s youngsters stood tall and firm and their superior football skill saw them safely home to harbour.
In the circumstances, not all of us expected this game to be easy or took Cork for granted and those of you who did well speak for yourself. Pundits talk and there are plenty of sheep to follow - same as it ever was.
Stephen O’Brien’s leadership and experience was invaluable last night as was David Moran and how we missed the leadership of Peter Crowley in our defence – what a loss Peter is this year, above all years. Unfortunately, Paul Geaney is no leader and last night he showed that again with his silly petulance that could have cost his team. Kerry will move on far quicker than Paul may realise in the next couple of seasons so the message is your time is limited, the time in the Kerry jersey is especially limited, so use it well or lose it. If David Moran decides his done his bit after this year we will be left with a big void to fill. Poor Jack Barry looks almost apologetic to be in a Kerry jersey at the moment and is regressing rather than progressing but hopefully management can encourage and get Jack’s confidence going. Perhaps the time has come for Adrian Spillane to get the start alongside David Moran in midfield? How about Gavin O’Brien? How would Jack Barry or Adrian Spillane do at center back? There is plenty to ponder and much work to do but the defence needs a bit of height and presence. Our resources for defence and at midfield are limited but we have options and we need to keep trying different solutions rather than repeating the same formula and expecting a different result. If we escape the Super 8s’ and get to a semi-final and it won’t be easy then it will be progress this year. Overall, we are in a very good place with plenty to be working on in the coming weeks and great games ahead to look forward to. Roll on Killarney!
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Post by gaelicden on Jun 23, 2019 14:28:41 GMT
. I don’t know the stats on this or how it compares with the team of 75’ but last nights Kerry team must have been one of the youngest to ever represent the county at senior level?
Based on some rough maths, I'd say the average age of last nights starting team was about 24/25 years of age. I wouldn't be able to tell you what the average age was of the '75 team.
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Post by Kingdomson on Jun 23, 2019 14:44:00 GMT
. I don’t know the stats on this or how it compares with the team of 75’ but last nights Kerry team must have been one of the youngest to ever represent the county at senior level?
Based on some rough maths, I'd say the average age of last nights starting team was about 24/25 years of age. I wouldn't be able to tell you what the average age was of the '75 team. Thanks, older than i thought so.
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Post by homerj on Jun 23, 2019 14:44:58 GMT
. I don’t know the stats on this or how it compares with the team of 75’ but last nights Kerry team must have been one of the youngest to ever represent the county at senior level?
Based on some rough maths, I'd say the average age of last nights starting team was about 24/25 years of age. I wouldn't be able to tell you what the average age was of the '75 team. its younger than 24/25 surely.... i make it average age is 23.
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Post by sleaheadboy on Jun 23, 2019 14:46:15 GMT
Just watched Donegal win Ulster with ease. They will be a tough game in Super 8 , not sure our defence will match them. I think we could be lucky to pick up one win in next phase
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Post by greengold35 on Jun 23, 2019 14:49:35 GMT
Congratulations to the Kerry team, Peter Keane and management on winning the 2019 Munster Football Championship! A 7 in a row just achieved and 9 Munster titles out of the 10 available during this decade means the Munster province remains firmly in Kingdom control. I don’t know the stats on this or how it compares with the team of 75’ but last nights Kerry team must have been one of the youngest to ever represent the county at senior level? There was certainly a lot of callow Kerry youth around the place anyway and they showed remarkable fortitude and calmness when challenged. There was no panic even when a man down and Cork full of hurt pride and indignation throwing the kitchen sink at Kerry. Instead, Kerry’s youngsters stood tall and firm and their superior football skill saw them safely home to harbour. In the circumstances, not all of us expected this game to be easy or took Cork for granted and those of you who did well speak for yourself. Pundits talk and there are plenty of sheep to follow - same as it ever was. Stephen O’Brien’s leadership and experience was invaluable last night as was David Moran and how we missed the leadership of Peter Crowley in our defence – what a loss Peter is this year, above all years. Unfortunately, Paul Geaney is no leader and last night he showed that again with his silly petulance that could have cost his team. Kerry will move on far quicker than Paul may realise in the next couple of seasons so the message is your time is limited, the time in the Kerry jersey is especially limited, so use it well or lose it. If David Moran decides his done his bit after this year we will be left with a big void to fill. Poor Jack Barry looks almost apologetic to be in a Kerry jersey at the moment and is regressing rather than progressing but hopefully management can encourage and get Jack’s confidence going. Perhaps the time has come for Adrian Spillane to get the start alongside David Moran in midfield? How about Gavin O’Brien? How would Jack Barry or Adrian Spillane do at center back? There is plenty to ponder and much work to do but the defence needs a bit of height and presence. Our resources for defence and at midfield are limited but we have options and we need to keep trying different solutions rather than repeating the same formula and expecting a different result. If we escape the Super 8s’ and get to a semi-final and it won’t be easy then it will be progress this year. Overall, we are in a very good place with plenty to be working on in the coming weeks and great games ahead to look forward to. Roll on Killarney! The problem for Jack Barry is to get an injury free run - he has been bedeviled by injuries dating back to late last year & has struggled for fitness this year so far - yesterday was his first game since the league final & it is hoped he can kick on from here now - it’s our dearth of midfield options that saw him play last night, he has the ability just needs a run. Personally don’t think he is a centre back nor is Spillane a viable midfield option as he lacks physicality - this was seen in the Clare game in Ennis. Diarmuid O’Connor is our long term choice & may be David’s partner as the Super 8s unfold.
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