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Post by Whosinmidfield on Nov 20, 2018 21:39:16 GMT
What was the objective of the K2 thing? It seems odd that none of these players are deemed good enough now to make a training panel. It is early days and I would be surprised if Keane was closing the door to some of those mentioned just yet. Ya if I it was all young players you'd think now they'd be beginning to nail down a a spot on the panel especially with all the retirements and lads like BJK being dropped?
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Post by westkerry18 on Nov 20, 2018 21:47:35 GMT
I am hearing that Kevin Breen and Jamie Sullivan are in also from legion?? Open to correction on this one Mike Stam spa is due to come back in also?? Stam must be a good age now he seems to be around for ever? Any word on any of the west Kerry lads getting a look in? Eg gav curran, Cathal long, rob Se, eanna, Tom Leo, Barry Dan all deserve a look anyway and maybe Conor Geaney If fit? Éanna is moving to London so you can count him out he wouldn’t handle the sledging going on these days anyway cathal o luing is class he defo should be in there
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Post by richard00 on Nov 20, 2018 21:53:46 GMT
Gavin O Grady Pa Kilkenny Mike Breen Ronan Murphy should all be getting a chance
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Post by taggert on Nov 20, 2018 22:21:56 GMT
Without naming names, some of those touted are barely Kerry junior standard. Others were roasted in the recent county championship by players who wont be featuring in the squad. There is a reason that many didnt feature under EF - its because they werent good enuf then and I doubt they are now. The main problem is/was that cohort of players in the 25 to 29 age group - they werent there for EF and they arent there now - he was trying to bridge the gap between the 30 somethings (those who had it) and the early 20 somethings (those who will have it).
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Post by greengold35 on Nov 20, 2018 23:10:59 GMT
I am hearing that Kevin Breen and Jamie Sullivan are in also from legion?? Open to correction on this one Mike Stam spa is due to come back in also?? Stam must be a good age now he seems to be around for ever? Any word on any of the west Kerry lads getting a look in? Eg gav curran, Cathal long, rob Se, eanna, Tom Leo, Barry Dan all deserve a look anyway and maybe Conor Geaney If fit? Conor Geaney is involved, haven’t heard any of the others mentioned.
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Post by greengold35 on Nov 20, 2018 23:16:30 GMT
What was the objective of the K2 thing? It seems odd that none of these players are deemed good enough now to make a training panel. It is early days and I would be surprised if Keane was closing the door to some of those mentioned just yet. It was in effect a standby panel to cover injuries to the main squad.
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Post by mossie on Nov 20, 2018 23:20:05 GMT
Without naming names, some of those touted are barely Kerry junior standard. Others were roasted in the recent county championship by players who wont be featuring in the squad. There is a reason that many didnt feature under EF - its because they werent good enuf then and I doubt they are now. The main problem is/was that cohort of players in the 25 to 29 age group - they werent there for EF and they arent there now - he was trying to bridge the gap between the 30 somethings (those who had it) and the early 20 somethings (those who will have it). Good post and largely nail on the head. we are weak on quality in the age cohort you reference. Problem for EF and now for PK but the younger lads are getting that bit older
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Post by westkerry18 on Nov 20, 2018 23:28:28 GMT
Without naming names, some of those touted are barely Kerry junior standard. Others were roasted in the recent county championship by players who wont be featuring in the squad. There is a reason that many didnt feature under EF - its because they werent good enuf then and I doubt they are now. The main problem is/was that cohort of players in the 25 to 29 age group - they werent there for EF and they arent there now - he was trying to bridge the gap between the 30 somethings (those who had it) and the early 20 somethings (those who will have it). Good post and largely nail on the head. we are weak on quality in the age cohort you reference. Problem for EF and now for PK but the younger lads are getting that bit older Do you think sheehan left a bit early playing great football in south Kerry
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Post by mossie on Nov 20, 2018 23:34:50 GMT
playing great football in south Kerry
you have a few lads playing great football in the nk championship too!
I think it was time for Brian to move on tbh, pace such a requirement in the game now in the position he plays in at inter county
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Post by pintpleasejohn on Nov 21, 2018 0:44:55 GMT
Stam must be a good age now he seems to be around for ever? Any word on any of the west Kerry lads getting a look in? Eg gav curran, Cathal long, rob Se, eanna, Tom Leo, Barry Dan all deserve a look anyway and maybe Conor Geaney If fit? Conor Geaney is involved, haven’t heard any of the others mentioned. 3 geaneys Tom sull and Tom leo only west kerry reps in there as far as I understand. Barry dan unlucky
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Post by hurlingman on Nov 21, 2018 9:26:43 GMT
Could somebody explain to me why Ronan Shanahan is repeatedly excluded from Kerry teams/panels? Strange one to be fair. Was IMO one of the best backs on the panel the last two seasons yet never got a look in come championship time. I would rate him ahead of Shane Enright for example, wo i'm assuming is still part of the panel?
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Post by themanfromthewest on Nov 21, 2018 10:47:50 GMT
Conor Geaney is involved, haven’t heard any of the others mentioned. 3 geaneys Tom sull and Tom leo only west kerry reps in there as far as I understand. Barry dan unlucky Presumably Brian O’Beaglaoich will be involved with the panel next year? Barry Dan and Matthew Flaherty would both be entitled to be disappointed IMO
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Post by culbaire on Nov 21, 2018 11:12:19 GMT
Conor Geaney is involved, haven’t heard any of the others mentioned. 3 geaneys Tom sull and Tom leo only west kerry reps in there as far as I understand. Barry dan unlucky Barry very unlucky if not involved thought he had a great county championship, surely briain is still involved also. Cathal long in my opinion also deserves a look as does Gavin Curran hearing Gavin is heading down under but not sure on that. Glad Mikey in again he has great heart and is great warrior deserves a good chance
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Post by dc84 on Nov 21, 2018 13:46:54 GMT
As a matter of interest how do people know who is dropped included etc? I assume no crokes players are involved for one with a munster final coming up? Or lads could be on holidays recovering from injuries etc im gping to wait until january myself
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Post by pintpleasejohn on Nov 21, 2018 21:14:31 GMT
3 geaneys Tom sull and Tom leo only west kerry reps in there as far as I understand. Barry dan unlucky Barry very unlucky if not involved thought he had a great county championship, surely briain is still involved also. Cathal long in my opinion also deserves a look as does Gavin Curran hearing Gavin is heading down under but not sure on that. Glad Mikey in again he has great heart and is great warrior deserves a good chance Yeah sorry forgot about Brian, can’t see how barry can be too far off a decent run if you ask me definitely can’t on leaps and bounds after his first season with the seniors. Would mark ryan be much of an improvement?
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Post by whitefire on Nov 22, 2018 8:51:14 GMT
Could someone post a definitive list of panel members? There's such an amount of runours and speculation on this thread that it's hard to know who's in and who's out!
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Post by Deleted on Nov 22, 2018 9:10:37 GMT
Some guys mentioned above were in before and didn't make the cut - good club players but that is it.
There are 45 guys in total as far as I know including the Crokes guys who obviously are not training with the panel at the moment.
Primarily gym based work at the moment over in Currans
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Post by kerrygold on Nov 22, 2018 9:11:59 GMT
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Post by themanfromthewest on Nov 22, 2018 14:48:36 GMT
I’m glad there is a big shake up happening but it’s pretty lousy if long serving players like Fionn Fitzgerald didnt get a phone call or even a text as a courtesy to tell them they are not in the managers plans as indicated in the article. I hope that is not true.
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Post by Kingdomson on Nov 22, 2018 16:07:25 GMT
The age of entitlement is over! Kerry need to be absolutely ruthless and the tone is set by management – there is no more entitlement! Failure is not rewarded and one is entitled to nothing, it has to be earned. A rocket needed to be sent through the Kerry dressing room and it has been. Peter Keane and his management are a breath of fresh air and I said with this appointment, it is now ground zero and everybody starts at square one.
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Post by piggott on Nov 22, 2018 19:22:42 GMT
So panel for NFL would appear to be Brian Kelly, Shane Ryan, Killian Young, Shane Enright, Tom O'Sullivan, Tom Leo, Brian O Beaghlaoich, Paul Murphy, Tadhg Morley, Peter Crowley, Gavin Crowley, Gavin O'Brien, David Moran, Jack Barry, Jonathan Lyne, Seanie O Shea, Stephen O'Brien, Conor Geaney, Paul Geaney, James O'Donoghue, Conor Geaney, Mikey Geaney,Rob Wharton,Jack Sherwood. Have I omitted a few?
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Post by themanfromthewest on Nov 22, 2018 20:42:51 GMT
The age of entitlement is over! Kerry need to be absolutely ruthless and the tone is set by management – there is no more entitlement! Failure is not rewarded and one is entitled to nothing, it has to be earned. A rocket needed to be sent through the Kerry dressing room and it has been. Peter Keane and his management are a breath of fresh air and I said with this appointment, it is now ground zero and everybody starts at square one. I’d have no issue with any player being omitted that’s the nature of the game but this is not professional sports where players will retire wealthy, these are amateur players who give up a lot for the jersey. A brief phone call to say your services wont be required going forward to the handful of players being cut loose would have cost nothing and would have been a decent thing to do. Leaving lads guessing and having to ring to find out if they are cut is not right IMO.
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Post by taibhse on Nov 22, 2018 21:10:23 GMT
I think that this was the panel from last year. It will be interesting to see how much it changes this season!
1 B. Kelly. 2. Shane Murphy. 3. Jason Foley. 4. Shane Enright. 5. Mark Griffin. 6. Ronan Shanahan. 7. Killian Young. 8. Brian Beaglaoich. 9. Tom O’Sullivan. 10. Gavin Crowley. 11. Peter Crowley. 12. Paul Murphy. 13. Fionn Fitzgerald. 14. Barry O'Sullivan. 15. David Moran. 16. Jack Barry. 17. Anthony Maher. 18. Brendan O'Sullivan. 19. Donnchadh Walshe. 20. Tadgh Morley. 21. Micheál Burns. 22. Sean O'Shea. 23. Kevin McCarthy. 24. Stephen OBrien. 25. Darran O’Sullivan 26. Barry John Keane. 27. David Clifford. 28. Paul Geaney. 29. Mike Geaney. 30. Kieran Donaghy. 31. James O'Donoghue. 32. Jack Savage. 33. Daithí Casey. 34. Gavin White 35. Adrian Spillane. 36. Matthew Flaherty.
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Greg Horan. Conor Geaney. Andrew Barry. Tony Brosnan. Cormack Coffey. Dara O’Shea - Ballydonoghue - keeper. Eanna O'Conchúir. Killian Spillane. Ross O’Callaghan Kevin Murphy. Tom Leo O'Sullivan.
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Post by greengold35 on Nov 22, 2018 21:15:43 GMT
So panel for NFL would appear to be Brian Kelly, Shane Ryan, Killian Young, Shane Enright, Tom O'Sullivan, Tom Leo, Brian O Beaghlaoich, Paul Murphy, Tadhg Morley, Peter Crowley, Gavin Crowley, Gavin O'Brien, David Moran, Jack Barry, Jonathan Lyne, Seanie O Shea, Stephen O'Brien, Conor Geaney, Paul Geaney, James O'Donoghue, Conor Geaney, Mikey Geaney,Rob Wharton,Jack Sherwood. Have I omitted a few? Mark Ryan, Paudie Clifford, Danny Sheehan, Cian Gammell, Conor Keane, Graham O’Sullivan.
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Post by Kingdomson on Nov 22, 2018 21:38:06 GMT
The age of entitlement is over! Kerry need to be absolutely ruthless and the tone is set by management – there is no more entitlement! Failure is not rewarded and one is entitled to nothing, it has to be earned. A rocket needed to be sent through the Kerry dressing room and it has been. Peter Keane and his management are a breath of fresh air and I said with this appointment, it is now ground zero and everybody starts at square one. I’d have no issue with any player being omitted that’s the nature of the game but this is not professional sports where players will retire wealthy, these are amateur players who give up a lot for the jersey. A brief phone call to say your services wont be required going forward to the handful of players being cut loose would have cost nothing and would have been a decent thing to do. Leaving lads guessing and having to ring to find out if they are cut is not right IMO. Cry me a river! This is a new Kerry management and they are picking a brand NEW Kerry panel, it's their panel and it’s their prerogative who they include at this juncture or not. Any former Kerry player from the previous panel under the previous managmenent cribbing about not getting a text is just crybaby with a false sense of entitlement. I’m delighted the new Kerry management are ruthlessly setting about their business from the outset. Under the former regime it was often mentioned in a conversation that it was harder to get off the Kerry panel than on to it, and there was a lot of truth in that view and i think that day is now gone! Reset to zero for all and if you want a place on this panel or stay on it you are going to have to perform. All players are now on trial as far as i see it.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 22, 2018 21:49:28 GMT
Time will tell on how this is being done but if people think things could not worse, they are delusional.
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Post by themanfromthewest on Nov 22, 2018 22:00:29 GMT
I’d have no issue with any player being omitted that’s the nature of the game but this is not professional sports where players will retire wealthy, these are amateur players who give up a lot for the jersey. A brief phone call to say your services wont be required going forward to the handful of players being cut loose would have cost nothing and would have been a decent thing to do. Leaving lads guessing and having to ring to find out if they are cut is not right IMO. Cry me a river! This is a new Kerry management and they are picking a brand NEW Kerry panel, it's their panel and it’s their prerogative who they include at this juncture or not. Any former Kerry player from the previous panel under the previous managmenent cribbing about not getting a text is just crybaby with a false sense of entitlement. I’m delighted the new Kerry management are ruthlessly setting about their business from the outset. Under the former regime it was often mentioned in a conversation that it was harder to get off the Kerry panel than on to it, and there was a lot of truth in that view and i think that day is now gone! Reset to zero for all and if want a place on this panel or stay on it you are going to have to perform. All players are now on trial as far as i see it. I see where you’re coming from, and in fairness we don’t actually know the ins and outs. I think you might be taking me up wrong, I’m not saying anybody is entitled to anything, a courtesy call to long term panel members to let them know they’re not going to be invited in is not exactly a big ask or inconvenience though. I know it’s a new management team but it’s not like they aren’t aware of who has been playing in recent years. Anyway, no point dwelling on it. I’d agree a shake up was needed and am excited to see how the team shapes up.
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Post by baurtregaum on Nov 22, 2018 23:19:43 GMT
Doesn't Cody do something similar in Kilkenny? If you don't get a text at the start of the season you can take it your services are no longer required. Certainly no one gets too cosy on that panel. Might seem harsh but you can't argue with Codys track record over the years.
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Post by piggott on Nov 23, 2018 0:09:24 GMT
So panel for NFL would appear to be Brian Kelly, Shane Ryan, Killian Young, Shane Enright, Tom O'Sullivan, Tom Leo, Brian O Beaghlaoich, Paul Murphy, Tadhg Morley, Peter Crowley, Gavin Crowley, Gavin O'Brien, David Moran, Jack Barry, Jonathan Lyne, Seanie O Shea, Stephen O'Brien, Conor Geaney, Paul Geaney, James O'Donoghue, Conor Geaney, Mikey Geaney,Rob Wharton,Jack Sherwood. Have I omitted a few? Mark Ryan, Paudie Clifford, Danny Sheehan, Cian Gammell, Conor Keane, Graham O’Sullivan. None of these have been called in AFAIK
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Post by piggott on Nov 23, 2018 0:12:30 GMT
One I forgot: Jason Foley
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