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Post by gaelicden on Aug 4, 2018 19:01:31 GMT
Well the seasons over, anything that occurs now is not of Kerry's concern. To assess the season, poor with a few double digit wins against arguably very poor teams. Still, we achieved one thing, blooding in youth and Clifford surely a shoe in for Young Player of the Year. Maybe a change of management is needed to freshen up the team, it did no harm for Donegal and their youth and their just one game away from a semi final. But we are Kerry and we will be back. Let the players of to the clubs now and regroup in time, Ciarraí abú
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Aug 4, 2018 19:15:00 GMT
*in therapy that is fair play to ya.
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Post by southward on Aug 4, 2018 22:35:28 GMT
Might as well start with the positives from a disappointing year.
Forward lines brimming with talent, including a few that still have some hardening up to come. We have a free-taker now too. Great to see JOD with that spark back this evening, even if it came a bit late to save the season. Kevin Mac has huge potential, needs to be a bit more consistent.
As for DC, he's just getting better and better. Massive hype to live up to but it's safe to say at this stage that he's exceeded all expectations for a rookie year.
If we can just get things right further back...and we might just be a player or two away from that.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 5, 2018 2:40:00 GMT
Goalkeeper is a big issue. That has to get sorted out. Shane Ryan possibly. Jason Foley needs a whole League campaign at Full Back. Paul O'Sullivan might be worth a look at Corner Back. Maybe we can find a couple of Backs in the County Championship.
Midfield has been a problem for years. David Moran is past it. Jack Barry was poor this year.
I think we have the Forwards to compete. We will add a couple of more. Diarmuid O'Connor possibly.
Goalkeeper, Backs, and Midfield. We need to find players and fast.
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Aug 5, 2018 8:07:37 GMT
A name for a manager in the future is John Sugrue.
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Post by kerrybhoy06 on Aug 5, 2018 8:28:00 GMT
Goalkeeper is a big issue. That has to get sorted out. Shane Ryan possibly. Jason Foley needs a whole League campaign at Full Back. Paul O'Sullivan might be worth a look at Corner Back. Maybe we can find a couple of Backs in the County Championship. Midfield has been a problem for years. David Moran is past it. Jack Barry was poor this year. I think we have the Forwards to compete. We will add a couple of more. Diarmuid O'Connor possibly. Goalkeeper, Backs, and Midfield. We need to find players and fast. How the goalkeeping issue hasn’t been sorted is the biggest black mark on Fitzmaurice’s copybook. The kick outs yesterday were horrendous again
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Post by kerrybhoy06 on Aug 5, 2018 8:30:15 GMT
A name for a manager in the future is John Sugrue. Completely agree- it’s prob 2 years too early for him but if he got it then I’d not be too upset. Laois had a few plans and ways of playing this year- their sideline was able to react and influence games with changes- something we haven’t done in a while. He might not be the next man but he could well be the next man after the next man
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Post by kerrygold on Aug 5, 2018 8:37:01 GMT
A name for a manager in the future is John Sugrue. Completely agree- it’s prob 2 years too early for him but if he got it then I’d not be too upset. Laois had a few plans and ways of playing this year- their sideline was able to react and influence games with changes- something we haven’t done in a while. He might not be the next man but he could well be the next man after the next man Ya, he could be as good as the next man.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 5, 2018 13:09:09 GMT
I agree John Sugrue is a name that could come into the mix. A shrewd operator.
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Post by Kingdomson on Aug 10, 2018 16:11:18 GMT
For 2019, the perceived culture of it being harder to get off the Kerry panel than on to it badly needs to change. Éamonn Fitzmaurice was clearly loved by his players but the next manager needs to be more feared by his players. Non-performance must come with consequences, especially if you are a senior player who has been given every opportunity. Even in departure Éamonn deflected attention from his players with ‘letter gate’ and of course there is no defence for those morons sending hate mail or poison pen letters.
However, the new manager must set the tone and the message needs to be sent, some seniors didn’t perform on the field or showed a lack of stomach for the fight during the championship 2018. The youngsters did not leave Kerry down this year but some senior players left Éamonn and the team badly down when it mattered. A few P45s' would send a message. Every team can lose but non-performance should not be tolerated.
Few established players want to walk away from the ‘tough sacrifice’ of being an inter-county player in a top county these days. Why would they? There might be a cushy job, networking and commercial opportunities not to mention corporate and other sporting invitations, the opportunity for foreign trips and generous spending money, the free gear and sponsored suits or clothing, and sponsored car in some cases. No one would want to give the gig up too easily, and while they might ‘love the lads and the jersey’ they love those benefits too. If you are performing and winning big then more power to you and you deserve all those goodies. But what if it’s those benefits and not the raw hunger for an All lreland medal that now drives a player? Then the new manager needs to weed out the time wasters and be absolutely ruthless.
Now I don’t expect Kerry to win an All Ireland for a couple of more years yet but I do expect to see more fresh faces introduced and a culture change. It is time to get serious with the implementation of a settled goalkeeper, a kick out strategy, and an actual style of play. I want to see manic hunger and commitment on the field, especially in the Championship when we next return to Croke Park. Showing fear is not an option and if players no matter how talented are not mentally strong enough to perform in a high-pressure environment or they've have lost the nerve then they need to be weeded out and dropped by our new manager.
The league needs to be approached with deadly seriousness, Kerry have lost the fear factor and the only way to get it back is to start beating those teams in division 1 who pushed us around far too easily in recent times. For Kerry to start being successful again at All Ireland level and build up a winning confidence in our youngsters, it has to be a no a more mr nice guy approach in 2019 and this has to start with the manager in the Kerry dressing room.
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Post by dc84 on Aug 12, 2018 22:45:27 GMT
For 2019, the perceived culture of it being harder to get off the Kerry panel than on to it badly needs to change. Éamonn Fitzmaurice was clearly loved by his players but the next manager needs to be more feared by his players. Non-performance must come with consequences, especially if you are a senior player who has been given every opportunity. Even in departure Éamonn deflected attention from his players with ‘letter gate’ and of course there is no defence for those morons sending hate mail or poison pen letters. However, the new manager must set the tone and the message needs to be sent, some seniors didn’t perform on the field or showed a lack of stomach for the fight during the championship 2018. The youngsters did not leave Kerry down this year but some senior players left Éamonn and the team badly down when it mattered. A few P45s' would send a message. Every team can lose but non-performance should not be tolerated. Few established players want to walk away from the ‘tough sacrifice’ of being an inter-county player in a top county these days. Why would they? There might be a cushy job, networking and commercial opportunities not to mention corporate and other sporting invitations, the opportunity for foreign trips and generous spending money, the free gear and sponsored suits or clothing, and sponsored car in some cases. No one would want to give the gig up too easily, and while they might ‘love the lads and the jersey’ they love those benefits too. If you are performing and winning big then more power to you and you deserve all those goodies. But what if it’s those benefits and not the raw hunger for an All lreland medal that now drives a player? Then the new manager needs to weed out the time wasters and be absolutely ruthless. Now I don’t expect Kerry to win an All Ireland for a couple of more years yet but I do expect to see more fresh faces introduced and a culture change. It is time to get serious with the implementation of a settled goalkeeper, a kick out strategy, and an actual style of play. I want to see manic hunger and commitment on the field, especially in the Championship when we next return to Croke Park. Showing fear is not an option and if players no matter how talented are not mentally strong enough to perform in a high-pressure environment or they've have lost the nerve then they need to be weeded out and dropped by our new manager. The league needs to be approached with deadly seriousness, Kerry have lost the fear factor and the only way to get it back is to start beating those teams in division 1 who pushed us around far too easily in recent times. For Kerry to start being successful again at All Ireland level and build up a winning confidence in our youngsters, it has to be a no a more mr nice guy approach in 2019 and this has to start with the manager in the Kerry dressing room. While i agree with some pf what you are saying i thonk you are a bit harsh there its hardly a premiership footballers lifestyle! Totally agree on the league not to be too arrogant about it but we need to put the fear back into teams playing us and that starts with the league. This year eas always going to be tough with so many new faces next years league should be consolidation foley, o sullivan white(club commitment allowing) oshea and clifford need to play everygame they are the leaders now, nail down the goalie find a mf option and a hard working wingforward these are the priorities. I am out of the county awhile but is there anyone that might not have been a star on the minor teams that deserves a look ? im thinking of galvin/ omahony types? Jacks greatest achievement with Kerry was them two and star none of whom were massive underage prodigies but they had fight and guts and meanness something we need now!
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Post by derry4sam on Aug 13, 2018 0:37:28 GMT
Goalkeeper is a big issue. That has to get sorted out. Shane Ryan possibly. Jason Foley needs a whole League campaign at Full Back. Paul O'Sullivan might be worth a look at Corner Back. Maybe we can find a couple of Backs in the County Championship. Midfield has been a problem for years. David Moran is past it. Jack Barry was poor this year. I think we have the Forwards to compete. We will add a couple of more. Diarmuid O'Connor possibly. Goalkeeper, Backs, and Midfield. We need to find players and fast. Keeper - Persist with Shane Murphy Jason Foley - Agree Paul O'Sullivan - Seriously? Finding backs - We won't, best players in county are already on the panel Midifeld - Agree, the biggest issue for me Diarmuid O'Connor - Leave with the U20's What I would do is add two maybe three from this year's U20's. Possibly Okunbor, Graham Sullivan & Daniel O'Brien We need more players that are versatile and comfortable with playing a number of positions. We're too keen to pigeon hole fellas to positions in Kerry.
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Post by Jigz84 on Aug 13, 2018 10:39:08 GMT
Did anyone come across a Paul Galvin piece over the weekend? Some of it was discussed on Newstalk such as the problem with the Kerry captaincy.
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Post by glengael on Aug 13, 2018 10:56:38 GMT
Did anyone come across a Paul Galvin piece over the weekend? Some of it was discussed on Newstalk such as the problem with the Kerry captaincy. That would probably be in the Sunday Times which has a paywall so unable to provide a link.
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Post by hurlingman on Aug 13, 2018 11:03:09 GMT
Goalkeeper is a big issue. That has to get sorted out. Shane Ryan possibly. Jason Foley needs a whole League campaign at Full Back. Paul O'Sullivan might be worth a look at Corner Back. Maybe we can find a couple of Backs in the County Championship. Midfield has been a problem for years. David Moran is past it. Jack Barry was poor this year. I think we have the Forwards to compete. We will add a couple of more. Diarmuid O'Connor possibly. Goalkeeper, Backs, and Midfield. We need to find players and fast. How the goalkeeping issue hasn’t been sorted is the biggest black mark on Fitzmaurice’s copybook. The kick outs yesterday were horrendous again I wonder would Brendan Kealy come back? Say what you want but he's still probably the best keeper at the moment. Has been playing great stuff with Kilcummin all year
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Post by Whosinmidfield on Aug 13, 2018 15:11:43 GMT
I think midfield is our biggest problem and we don't to seem have one outstanding option coming through. Who would people like to see having a chance there? Adrian Spillane? Roibeard O'Sé? Kieran Murphy? Eanna O'Conchuir? Barry O'Sullivan?
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Post by moth on Aug 13, 2018 15:19:07 GMT
History has a habit of repeating itself, but I hope that our new manager can learn from the mistakes of the past. Some of the mistakes not to remake are: 1. Wholesale clearing out of established players from the panel. Many managers (both club & county) have done this and to my mind, it has nearly always been a failed approach. Naturally, one or two may go, but we need experience, especially at county training. 2. Give young players ample time to develop. The U-20 championship is the best place for this. 3. Ensure all players get ample game time - if that can't be done with the county team, then they should be encouraged to play more matches with their clubs. 4. Don't throw in too many new players at one time. Start with a team, probably close to the team that played Kildare, and do changes incrementally. 5. Devise plans for (a) attacking, (b) defending (c) kick-outs. There should be at least 2 plans for each. 6. When players are recovering from an injury, don't rush them back. Gradually re-introduce them as subs.
As I said, history repeats itself, but I hope that we as supporters can: 1. Give the new management time to bed in. That may take a couple of years and we may be relegated or lose our Munster crown in the interim. 2. If possible, support & encourage the team. Monaghan supporters were an extreme example of this, where they continued to support the team even in & after that surprise defeat to Fermanagh. 3. Don't expect us to win every match. Yes, be optimistic, but also be realistic. 4. Appreciate what we've got. Eamonn took a job nobody wanted and delivered an All-Ireland title. The players give of their time and energy to represent us on the pitch, when it would be very easy to pack it in and criticize from the stands.
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Post by greengold35 on Aug 13, 2018 15:57:52 GMT
I think midfield is our biggest problem and we don't to seem have one outstanding option coming through. Who would people like to see having a chance there? Adrian Spillane? Roibeard O'Sé? Kieran Murphy? Eanna O'Conchuir? Barry O'Sullivan? None of the above for me ! Think we have to look at developing a different type of midfielder to adapt to the modern game - Okunbar, Diarmuid O’Connor, Daniel O’Brien, Mike Breen - all guys with plenty of pace who can compete in the air but also mobile - Breen did a job @ midfield with the minors a few years back, worth having a look at the others too. Of all of the above, Diarmuid O’Connor I believe has the most potential but was disappointing with the U-20s this year.
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Post by Kingdomson on Aug 13, 2018 16:25:57 GMT
Did anyone come across a Paul Galvin piece over the weekend? Some of it was discussed on Newstalk such as the problem with the Kerry captaincy. Club game needs an overhaul to harness talent in Kerry, Paul Galvin August 12 2018, Firing off letters to inter-county managers is obviously something of a national pastime for Irish folk these days. Limerick hurling manager John Kiely was first to follow up on Eamonn Fitzmaurice’s revelations surrounding anonymous mails received over the summer. John’s wife safe-checks his post to spare him from any unsavoury elements. A clever deflection away from his players given his request after Limerick’s semi-final win for the media to leave them alone in the build-up to the All-Ireland final. Anthony Daly relived his own experiences from his time in charge of Clare’s hurlers, albeit tongue-in-cheek. Finding the penman’s identity and calling him up was a tonic. Wouldn’t you love to have been a fly on that wall? Former Mayo boss James Horan had to enlist the help of the Gardai. It’s hard to know what to make of the whole thing. It’s very common and very cowardly, and the anonymity leaves a sour taste. Kerry have other problems to contend with. We are in the midst of this decade’s existential crisis. Every 10 years or so all the looking backwards catches up on us. You could call it legacy thinking. Take the captaincy situation this year. It’s funny to think Kerry still appoint captains on the basis of who wins the county championship. This reveals a major flaw in the operation. When the heat came this summer there was no go-to player-lieutenant able to steady the ship through experience and leadership. For two crucial games — Monaghan and Kildare — this year’s nominated captain, Dr Crokes’s keeper Shane Murphy, was on the bench. His clubmate and nominated vice-captain Gavin White took up the mantle. In their debut seasons they have eight championship starts between them. This practice is no help to a manager and has to change quickly. Kerry need the same captain for the next five years at least. We’re also sharing our head of athletic performance with the Limerick hurlers. A surmountable issue but one that needs attention nonetheless. Another issue worth examining in Kerry football is the club game. Tralee, has four teams competing for players across a small urban area of 22,000 people with a further three satellite teams within three miles of the town centre. Austin Stacks is one of the great clubs nationally, and one with a realistic chance of winning a county championship or an All-Ireland title any year given their history, but their county title in 2014 was their first since 1994. Kerins O’ Rahillys have a strong tradition of producing great county players but they haven’t won a county title since 2002. John Mitchels has a rich history of producing Kerry players and winning county titles, but haven’t won a county championship since 1966 or produced an All-Ireland winning Kerry player for a long time. There are conflicting views around the foundation of Na Gaeil. Some say the club was set up initially to be the juvenile arm of the Mitchels club, but instead went it alone. Others say it was formed independently by guards. Either way neither club are capable of competing for senior county titles and Tralee town has won two county senior titles in 24 years. The satellite clubs around Tralee — St Pats Blennerville (a mile from the town centre) Churchill and Ballymacelligott (both three miles) are barely surviving. Any more than three strong clubs in a town of Tralee’s size doesn’t help the clubs themselves nor the county. As it stands two Tralee teams compete at senior county championship level, the rest are scattered between lower grades. Seven clubs (Tralee is the 14th biggest urban area in Ireland) all fighting for players with the result that nearly all of them are uncompetitive. Dr Crokes have been the dominant team in Kerry for 10 years. Austin Stacks and Kerins O’Rahillys have struggled to compete with them, but Mitchels are the most useful case study. Tralee John Mitchels were the original Tralee team, so successful they were disbanded in 1927 giving us today’s big three town teams. They always produced a very particular type of player for Kerry, Joe Keohane being just one of many. That should be remembered when examining the overall state of Kerry football and its future. Kerry football needs Tralee football at its optimum and work needs to be done at board level to help its clubs achieve that level. Closer to home my own club Finuge have major work to do to re-establish ourselves as a consistent breeding ground for Kerry footballers. We too produced a particular type of Kerry player but the supply chain isn’t working. These are just some issues I see. To tackle the county team, examine the club game from within and address any discrepancies there might be, particularly in Tralee, to harness that particular super-power once more. The next appointments the Kerry executive make will resound for a decade but time spent thinking about new ways make the club game more competitive will resound for much longer. For now the writers are resounding loudest of all.
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Post by keane on Aug 13, 2018 16:37:49 GMT
Logically and factually questionable. How would less opportunity for fringe players in Tralee clubs further player development?
When have 'barely surviving' St. Pats and Churchill ever been in better health?
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Post by Whosinmidfield on Aug 13, 2018 16:39:38 GMT
I think midfield is our biggest problem and we don't to seem have one outstanding option coming through. Who would people like to see having a chance there? Adrian Spillane? Roibeard O'Sé? Kieran Murphy? Eanna O'Conchuir? Barry O'Sullivan? None of the above for me ! Think we have to look at developing a different type of midfielder to adapt to the modern game - Okunbar, Diarmuid O’Connor, Daniel O’Brien, Mike Breen - all guys with plenty of pace who can compete in the air but also mobile - Breen did a job @ midfield with the minors a few years back, worth having a look at the others too. Of all of the above, Diarmuid O’Connor I believe has the most potential but was disappointing with the U-20s this year. I take your point regarding developing a different type of midfielder. I think Mike Breen would be a great option for that type of role. I also think Eanna O'Conchuir is that type of midfielder. I had high hopes for Diarmuid O'Connor heading into the u20 campaign but I was also left disappointed. But I think with a year of bulking up and development with the u20s, he could be our dominant midfielder the following year.
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Post by kerrybhoy06 on Aug 13, 2018 16:57:27 GMT
Logically and factually questionable. How would less opportunity for fringe players in Tralee clubs further player development? When have 'barely surviving' St. Pats and Churchill ever been in better health? A lad in work mentioned this article to me today- glad I have had the chance to read it now. Surely more clubs means more participation, especially at underage level. Churchill had their best year in a long time, Pats are doing well considering their small pick and he neglected to mention Ardfert for some reason. The article makes no real sense and has the feeling of a page filler
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Post by Deleted on Aug 13, 2018 17:24:04 GMT
Galvin would always tend towards being the best you can be and if that means fewer clubs to further the interest of the county team so be it. I would tend to agree with him on the captaincy though.
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Post by onlykerry on Aug 13, 2018 17:30:47 GMT
Surely the bigger issue with the clubs is depriving them of the top 45/50 players for much of the season - for me games are what brings on players and the practice of depriving players game time and clubs the use of their key players is fundamental to having a strong club scene. He is right is saying a strong/competitive club scene is key to county success. The balance between club and county needs to be re-examined and re-balanced.
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Post by keane on Aug 13, 2018 17:34:12 GMT
Galvin would always tend towards being the best you can be and if that means fewer clubs to further the interest of the county team so be it. I would tend to agree with him on the captaincy though. I know what you mean about the captaincy but would it really make say Crowley or Morley more of a leader to have an imaginary armband on them? I really don't see where combining say Stacks and Strand Road *shudder* for the Championship would lead to more intercounty players for Kerry. Crokes have been the dominant force for years and before this year had only furnished the panel with Gooch, Buckley and Fionn for a long time. Winning a few Championships as part of a stronger panel isn't going to turn Cormac Coffey or Greg Horan from fringe players into mainstays I don't think.
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Post by keane on Aug 13, 2018 17:36:36 GMT
Surely the bigger issue with the clubs is depriving them of the top 45/50 players for much of the season - for me games are what brings on players and the practice of depriving players game time and clubs the use of their key players is fundamental to having a strong club scene. He is right is saying a strong/competitive club scene is key to county success. The balance between club and county needs to be re-examined and re-balanced. It would be interesting to calculate how many minutes of competitive football someone like Barry John has played since he started in with Kerry between club and county games, versus how many minutes a regular club player would have had in the same spell.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 13, 2018 18:07:07 GMT
Galvin would always tend towards being the best you can be and if that means fewer clubs to further the interest of the county team so be it. I would tend to agree with him on the captaincy though. I know what you mean about the captaincy but would it really make say Crowley or Morley more of a leader to have an imaginary armband on them? I really don't see where combining say Stacks and Strand Road *shudder* for the Championship would lead to more intercounty players for Kerry. Crokes have been the dominant force for years and before this year had only furnished the panel with Gooch, Buckley and Fionn for a long time. Winning a few Championships as part of a stronger panel isn't going to turn Cormac Coffey or Greg Horan from fringe players into mainstays I don't think. On the captaincy, I wouldn't overstate it but it is worth something to any team to have one of your leaders as captain. We treat the captaincy as an irrelevancy from point of view of the Kerry setup and give up that small benefit. It is completely anachronistic at this stage. I don't really get galvins point on the club to be honest.
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Post by kerrygold on Aug 13, 2018 18:52:10 GMT
No doubt, if Paul Geaney had been nominated captain this year Kerry would be in this years final. Ya...........
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Post by buck02 on Aug 13, 2018 19:00:39 GMT
Logically and factually questionable. How would less opportunity for fringe players in Tralee clubs further player development? When have 'barely surviving' St. Pats and Churchill ever been in better health? A lad in work mentioned this article to me today- glad I have had the chance to read it now. Surely more clubs means more participation, especially at underage level. Churchill had their best year in a long time, Pats are doing well considering their small pick and he neglected to mention Ardfert for some reason. The article makes no real sense and has the feeling of a page filler A page filler and further distraction.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 13, 2018 19:05:11 GMT
No doubt, if Paul Geaney has been nominated captain this year Kerry would be in this years final. Ya........... Yeah, that is exactly it....
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