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Post by mitchelsontour on Sept 16, 2018 20:59:13 GMT
1/4 final draw: East Kerry vs South Kerry Austin Stacks vs Dingle Kerins O’Rahillys vs St Brendan’s Legion vs Dr Crokes Games to be played on weekend of 29/30th Sept. Hopefully two double headers. Legion v Crokes and Stacks v Dingle in Killarney and East Kerry v South Kerry and Rahillys v Brendan's in Tralee maybe. Would make a lot more sense to have Rahillys v Brendans paired with the Stacks v Dingle game in Tralee and the Killarney derby paired with South Kerry v East Kerry one on a Saturday evening and the other on the Sunday with one ticket getting you entry to both.
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Post by mossie on Sept 16, 2018 21:09:56 GMT
Hopefully two double headers. Legion v Crokes and Stacks v Dingle in Killarney and East Kerry v South Kerry and Rahillys v Brendan's in Tralee maybe. Would make a lot more sense to have Rahillys v Brendans paired with the Stacks v Dingle game in Tralee and the Killarney derby paired with South Kerry v East Kerry one on a Saturday evening and the other on the Sunday with one ticket getting you entry to both. I agree
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Post by mossie on Sept 16, 2018 21:11:31 GMT
they have a lot of work to do bt the Brendans, a real tasty tie When was the last time Brendans got this far? They have been also-rans for a long time. No love lost between the likes of Pats/Churchill and Strand Road so it will be an interesting game. cant recall to be honest, they have much improved at minor and under 21 in recent seasons. good representations on Kerry minor teams and Na Gaeil very much on the rise
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Post by richard00 on Sept 16, 2018 21:32:59 GMT
Was at mid kerry vs Brendan’s. St Brendan’s looked very impressive especially Ivan Parker. I see where the mid kerry goalie from the previous 2 games was dropped for cormac leane from mtown/ cmaine this was a crucial change as the kickouts were a disaster from start to finish also see where they brought on a player who struggles to start for there club . They also looked as if they haven’t been training and had no game plan .Must be a lot of politics going on behind the scenes. Very dissapointing from a district with such potential.
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Post by kerrygold on Sept 16, 2018 21:38:09 GMT
Was at mid kerry vs Brendan’s. St Brendan’s looked very impressive especially Ivan Parker. I see where the mid kerry goalie from the previous 2 games was dropped for cormac leane from mtown/ cmaine this was a crucial change as the kickouts were a disaster from start to finish also see where they brought on a player who struggles to start for there club . They also looked as if they haven’t been training and had no game plan .Must be a lot of politics going on behind the scenes. Very dissapointing from a district with such potential. Did Darran play?
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Post by buck02 on Sept 16, 2018 21:45:46 GMT
Hopefully two double headers. Legion v Crokes and Stacks v Dingle in Killarney and East Kerry v South Kerry and Rahillys v Brendan's in Tralee maybe. Would make a lot more sense to have Rahillys v Brendans paired with the Stacks v Dingle game in Tralee and the Killarney derby paired with South Kerry v East Kerry one on a Saturday evening and the other on the Sunday with one ticket getting you entry to both. Yeah but it would be fairer on Dingle if they werent playing Stacks in Tralee and fairer on South Kerry if they weren't playing East Kerry in Killarney.
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Post by richard00 on Sept 16, 2018 21:51:02 GMT
Was at mid kerry vs Brendan’s. St Brendan’s looked very impressive especially Ivan Parker. I see where the mid kerry goalie from the previous 2 games was dropped for cormac leane from mtown/ cmaine this was a crucial change as the kickouts were a disaster from start to finish also see where they brought on a player who struggles to start for there club . They also looked as if they haven’t been training and had no game plan .Must be a lot of politics going on behind the scenes. Very dissapointing from a district with such potential. Did Darran play? yes and looked very good on the ball was dangerous every time he touched it
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Post by kerrygold on Sept 16, 2018 21:53:33 GMT
yes and looked very good on the ball was dangerous every time he touched it Cheers richard00
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Post by frankgalvintralee on Sept 16, 2018 22:31:48 GMT
I think Brendan O'Sullivan is expected back as well Brendan and Killian back but Mark Griffin and Bryan Sheehan will be missing due to prior travel commitments. Big losses for the men down South
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Post by Mickmack on Sept 16, 2018 22:41:43 GMT
Lots of history going back to the 50s.
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If there is one characteristic that tells something about any great team it is the affection and respect their achievements arouse among supporters, even down into succeeding generations.This is the true test of permanence and not many teams can claim it, but the Kerins O'Rahilly's side that won the Kerry county championship in 1957 certainly does.
They were the trend-setters of their day, winners of three titles in that decade who would almost certainly have won a fourth title only for losing out in a protracted boardroom saga when they were stripped of their semi-final victory over South Kerry after winning by 3-5 to 1-4. South Kerry subsequently won the final against St Brendan's (Ardfert), but it was a bloodless victory when set against a background of bitterness and recrimination.
That happened in 1958 when the Blues were the defending champions and why their officials chose to play two men who were of dubious legality is mysterious, because they had a team that was good enough to beat any opposition without infringing on the rule-book. However, it would appear they wanted to make assurance doubly sure and were not prepared to take any chances. True, they won the game with 15 Strand Road men on the field and that should have been enough, but South Kerry decided to pursue an objection, which went as far as the Munster Council who ruled in their favour.
This year is the 50th anniversary of Kerins O'Rahilly's success in the 1957 championship and to honour that event the club has brought out a booklet, which turns back the pages of history and shines a spotlight on what was, without any question, a brilliant combination. It is a delightful production, full of fine pictures and with some splendid word portraits on the individual players.
The late Pat Healy, chairman of the club, whose recent sudden death caused widespread shock and regret, wrote the forewood. His introduction goes as follows: "In GAA folklore, outstanding teams are acknowledged by their dominance in any given era and there is no doubt that in the annals of Gaelic football in Kerry the Fifties belong to Strand Road - Kings of the Kingdom".
Listed on the Kerry team that won the 1955 All Ireland final were three Strand Road men, namely the legendary John Dowling who captained the side, Mick Murphy, a native of Ventry and Denis O'Shea who hailed from Camp. All three were key figures on a team, which Dowling often subsequently claimed turned in "the best display ever by 15 men on the one day". What can't be disputed is that Kerry would never have beaten Dublin that year without the massive contributions made by the three men who wore the blue of Kerins O'Rahilly's. Lest we forget, that was the most brash, the most confident, the most hyped and, arguably, the most talented Dublin side of all time. Beating them convincingly against all odds was no mean achievement.
The aforementioned pen-pictures of the players are well worth a close perusal. Here are some random examples. Micheal Kerins who played minor, junior and senior for Kerry "stands out as a great footballer who won all that was on offer". His brother Joe captained the 1957 side and scored seven points in the county final defeat of St Brendan's. Garry Clifford from Connolly Park who died on July 26, 1996 at the age of 57 played senior for Kerry in 1961 against Down when himself, John Dowling and Teddy Dowd formed an all-Tralee full-forward line. John (Walla) O'Connor, recently deceased, was a noted Kerry junior "whose name is firmly etched in Blues' folklore". And so on.
Kerins O'Rahillys' winning campaign in 1957 is framed against a tremendous battle with South Kerry, draw and replay, plus a period of extra time in the semi-final. The drawn game, played on September 15, produced a titanic struggle with the scores level at the finish, 1-9 to 2-6. The replay on October 6 found the Iveragh men rampant during the opening half and leading by five points at the break. However, it was in moments of real peril that the Blues were known to respond in predictable style and this they did after the change of ends.
A goal by Joe Kerins pulled back the deficit to three points on the 50th minute and then Mick Murphy took control to inspire an amazing comeback which culminated in Pop Fitzgerald fisting over the equaliser almost on the stroke of full-time. A late try for a goal by Gerald O'Sullivan was brilliantly saved by the Strand Road goalkeeper, Moss O'Connor, as the game ended in a welter of excitement.
With extra time a mandatory stipulation both sides lined up for a further 30 minutes of non-stop action. South Kerry were destroyed during this period, scoring only two points while their opponents reeled off 1-4 which was a fair reflection of the trend of play during extra time. However, the loss of county star, Jerome O'Shea, who didn't start due to injury and the sending off of Sean Gill were undoubtedly contributory factors in South Kerry's late capitulation. The final score was 2-11 to 1-9 in favour of O'Rahillys.
The county final on October 20, 1957 produced a rancour-ridden game and an unusual scoreline, Kerins O'Rahillys 1-11, St Brendans (Ardfert) 3-1. The esteemed The Kerryman sportswriter, P.F., wrote about the tense atmosphere that prevailed throughout and complimented the referee, Christy Griffin of Castleisland, on taking a stern hand in sending off four players, an extreme measure that helped cool tempers, apparently.
Both sides were under strength with St Brendan's being the worst hit due to a flu epidemic that was raging in the parish, which thinned their ranks considerably. Among the casualties was Billy McCarthy, well known as a hurler, but also a footballer of repute. Brendan's were forced to make no less than 10 changes on their selected lineout while Strand Road had to cope without Pop Fitzgerald and Moss O'Connor.
The wet conditions probably hampered O'Rahillys' fast attacking play, but Tommy Foley, Garry Clifford and Pa Kerins earned praise from The Kerryman reporter while Joe Kerins was acclaimed the star of the day after scoring seven points. John (Walla) O'Connor earned plaudits for a majestic performance in front of goal.
It was O'Rahillys' third county title and their fifth in all. The winning team lined out as follows: Willie Raymond (goal); Christy Griffin, John (Walla) O'Connor, Sean O'Donnell; Dinny Falvey, John Dowling, Micheal Kerins; Dinny O'Shea, Mossie Kelly; Pa Kerins, Joe Kerins (capt.), Tommy Foley; Sean McCarthy, Mick Murphy, Garry Clifford. Subs: Tom Raymond, Paddy Brophy, P. P.(Pop) Fitzgerald, Moss O'Connor, Jerry Dillane, Muiris Moriarty.
Footnote: Pop Fitzgerld's intending departure to New York resulted in the team's star forward being unable to take his place in the county final due to the after-effects of the customary vaccination which intending emigrants had to undergo at that time. A The Kerryman report stated that eight car loads of friends and supporters saw him off at Shannon Airport on the Monday night after the county final victory. Earlier that evening Gill O'Brien's accordion band had paraded him from Strand Street to Boherbee.
Clearly, the parting of the ways must have broken his heart because he was a Strand Road man through and through. He returned to play with his club the following year and was a central figure in South Kerry's objection having allegedly participated in the New York championship. One of the most colourful figures of his day and a crafty, skilful forward who played intermittently with Kerry, he died in Tralee in 1983 at the age of 51.
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Post by kerrybhoy06 on Sept 17, 2018 0:17:57 GMT
There’s been a good team brewing in St. Brendans for years/ so its great to see them pull it together a bit. Between Mitchell’s, Pats, na Gaeil, Churchill and Ardfert- they should easily have 15 really good footballers but they have struggled to do it/ genuinely with the right coaching/commitment they could win it All the townies going toe to toe. It could come down to the Ardfert and Churchill lads to keep the peace. Ardfert lads keeping the peace is the most oxymoronic statement that I’ve ever heard!! The Ardfert lads in conjunction with a few mates from Tyrone are here to ensure that fairness & equality is administered to all
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Post by Deleted on Sept 17, 2018 6:41:35 GMT
Was at mid kerry vs Brendan’s. St Brendan’s looked very impressive especially Ivan Parker. I see where the mid kerry goalie from the previous 2 games was dropped for cormac leane from mtown/ cmaine this was a crucial change as the kickouts were a disaster from start to finish also see where they brought on a player who struggles to start for there club . They also looked as if they haven’t been training and had no game plan .Must be a lot of politics going on behind the scenes. Very dissapointing from a district with such potential. Did Darran play? Was at the Mid Kerry game also - goalkeeper has been trouble spot all year for them - their original keeper Brown was dropped because his kickouts were not finding his men and the guy they put in is no better - I do not know why they did not have Moriarty from Beaufort or Cahillane from Keel there - miles better than those other two that they have - if either of them were in goals Mid Kerry could potentially have won. Donnacha and Darran both played - pale shadows really of their former selves - from what I saw both would want to be considering going down the same road that Star has. Mike Breen was quite good as was young Kennedy from Beaufort - Brendans Ivan Parker was very good in fairness and the Brendans keeper made couple good saves also - they will fancy their chances against Rahillys. Peter Crowley gave away a black card and was missed when went off in second half.
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Post by upmidkerry on Sept 17, 2018 9:47:42 GMT
I was at the Dingle V st Kierans game the weekend. Really poor display by dingle forwards cant see them going any further in the competition. Paul Geaney very well marked by the fullback and sweeper and to keep a forward like him scoreless was sum task. Kierans defence were good for most of the game but dingles midfield and centre back line did wreck and scored 1-9 i think between them. St Kierans really need to find a new midfield pairing. Also missed 4 easy frees they were always a little behind in fairness but dingle were the better team and you could see the difference between the district side and club side.
Mid kerry were shocking the weekend not sure are they improving any bit. Peter crowley no interest from the games the weekend you would find it really hard to see the county players. they are gone all year and when they come back they need to put more of an effort in. darran and donnacha look like average club players too. Mid keer have some good players coming through but they will need a few years to get it together.
Also I think the new format is very bad for divisional side it doesnt suit them at all. The championship was far better when guys were playing in April/May as all club players are fit and in championship mode with there own clubs. Move the competition back to April/May and the standard would be better too.
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Post by greenmen55 on Sept 17, 2018 11:04:34 GMT
Brendans have really been threatening to have a good championship run in previous years but there seems to almost been a divide in their camp with all the teams involved being very similar. This divide was evident last march inside in ASP... but it seems the ship is running smoothly so far and with the likes of Diarmuid O Connor James Duggan Sean moloney Ivan Parker and many more having all Ireland medals in their back pocket in previous years the winning mentality is certainly there and with Na gaeil on the rise and Jack Barry holding the middle and John mitchels having plenty of good players also along with the spread of players from the remaining clubs there is no reason why they should not fancy their chances against Rahilly's and look to progress to the semi final stage.
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Post by onlykerry on Sept 17, 2018 11:33:25 GMT
Brendans have really been threatening to have a good championship run in previous years but there seems to almost been a divide in their camp with all the teams involved being very similar. This divide was evident last march inside in ASP... but it seems the ship is running smoothly so far and with the likes of Diarmuid O Connor James Duggan Sean moloney Ivan Parker and many more having all Ireland medals in their back pocket in previous years the winning mentality is certainly there and with Na gaeil on the rise and Jack Barry holding the middle and John mitchels having plenty of good players also along with the spread of players from the remaining clubs there is no reason why they should not fancy their chances against Rahilly's and look to progress to the semi final stage. Whats the story with James Duggan and Andrew Barry - two underage Kerry stars of recent years, but neither on the team or bench yesterday (per the listed teams anyway)? Two local rivalry games will give the QF's some added spice ......
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Post by greenmen55 on Sept 17, 2018 11:43:40 GMT
Brendans have really been threatening to have a good championship run in previous years but there seems to almost been a divide in their camp with all the teams involved being very similar. This divide was evident last march inside in ASP... but it seems the ship is running smoothly so far and with the likes of Diarmuid O Connor James Duggan Sean moloney Ivan Parker and many more having all Ireland medals in their back pocket in previous years the winning mentality is certainly there and with Na gaeil on the rise and Jack Barry holding the middle and John mitchels having plenty of good players also along with the spread of players from the remaining clubs there is no reason why they should not fancy their chances against Rahilly's and look to progress to the semi final stage. Whats the story with James Duggan and Andrew Barry - two underage Kerry stars of recent years, but neither on the team or bench yesterday (per the listed teams anyway)? Two local rivalry games will give the QF's some added spice ...... As far as I know James Duggan is actually abroad not too sure what Andrew Barry story is...
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Post by mandad on Sept 17, 2018 12:28:42 GMT
I haven’t “done the maths” as they say, but, I would imagine that the huge numbers of scores - for and against – in the Co. Championship has surpassed anything from previous years. From that point of view, it has easily been one of the most entertaining. But surely it's legitimate to ask – has the art of defending been lost in Kerry? Bad defending is a positive from an entertainment point of view, but, for me at any rate; the pendulum has swung too far in the other direction. Before I’m accused of wanting to return to the days of big lads physically bullying small lads into submission, I’m not. But, the way football has changed the past number of years have all been in favour of forwards. Unless we want to turn football into a video game, maybe it is time to start coaching the art of defending as well. It is disappearing before our very eyes in this county.
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Post by ciarrailar on Sept 17, 2018 12:45:21 GMT
Whats the story with James Duggan and Andrew Barry - two underage Kerry stars of recent years, but neither on the team or bench yesterday (per the listed teams anyway)? Two local rivalry games will give the QF's some added spice ...... As far as I know James Duggan is actually abroad not too sure what Andrew Barry story is... Andrew Barry injured his ankle during the week so that explains his absence from the team.
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Sept 17, 2018 13:01:33 GMT
I haven’t “done the maths” as they say, but, I would imagine that the huge numbers of scores - for and against – in the Co. Championship has surpassed anything from previous years. From that point of view, it has easily been one of the most entertaining. But surely it's legitimate to ask – has the art of defending been lost in Kerry? Bad defending is a positive from an entertainment point of view, but, for me at any rate; the pendulum has swung too far in the other direction. Before I’m accused of wanting to return to the days of big lads physically bullying small lads into submission, I’m not. But, the way football has changed the past number of years have all been in favour of forwards. Unless we want to turn football into a video game, maybe it is time to start coaching the art of defending as well. It is disappearing before our very eyes in this county. 1. Are these matches being played in better weather and better pitches than usual? 2. Slightly different question to yours: how does Kerry management protect the confidence of Kerry backs 'inside' against lethal forwards?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 17, 2018 15:00:19 GMT
At this stage looking like East Kerry and Crokes final if they avoid each other along the way...would make for a seriously high scoring final if it transpires that way
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Post by Whosinmidfield on Sept 17, 2018 15:57:55 GMT
1-14 for Tony Brosnan of Dr Crokes yesterday with no wides. 1-10 from play. Serious scoring.
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Post by mandad on Sept 17, 2018 16:16:14 GMT
I haven’t “done the maths” as they say, but, I would imagine that the huge numbers of scores - for and against – in the Co. Championship has surpassed anything from previous years. From that point of view, it has easily been one of the most entertaining. But surely it's legitimate to ask – has the art of defending been lost in Kerry? Bad defending is a positive from an entertainment point of view, but, for me at any rate; the pendulum has swung too far in the other direction. Before I’m accused of wanting to return to the days of big lads physically bullying small lads into submission, I’m not. But, the way football has changed the past number of years have all been in favour of forwards. Unless we want to turn football into a video game, maybe it is time to start coaching the art of defending as well. It is disappearing before our very eyes in this county. 1. Are these matches being played in better weather and better pitches than usual? 2. Slightly different question to yours: how does Kerry management protect the confidence of Kerry backs 'inside' against lethal forwards? All facilities have improved and that has impacted performances. But that should apply to defenders as well as attackers. To your second question, I would say - with great difficulty and not a lot of success, if we are to judge by results. Defending is an art-form as much as attacking. Just that we seem to have lost the know-how. Whoever takes over has to address that issue.
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Post by taggert on Sept 17, 2018 16:30:18 GMT
Was at the Mid Kerry game also - goalkeeper has been trouble spot all year for them - their original keeper Brown was dropped because his kickouts were not finding his men and the guy they put in is no better - I do not know why they did not have Moriarty from Beaufort or Cahillane from Keel there - miles better than those other two that they have - if either of them were in goals Mid Kerry could potentially have won. Donnacha and Darran both played - pale shadows really of their former selves - from what I saw both would want to be considering going down the same road that Star has. Mike Breen was quite good as was young Kennedy from Beaufort - Brendans Ivan Parker was very good in fairness and the Brendans keeper made couple good saves also - they will fancy their chances against Rahillys. Peter Crowley gave away a black card and was missed when went off in second half. Crowley has become a fouling machine at club and county.....
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Post by Mickmack on Sept 17, 2018 16:46:53 GMT
All the townies going toe to toe. It could come down to the Ardfert and Churchill lads to keep the peace. Ardfert lads keeping the peace is the most oxymoronic statement that I’ve ever heard!! sorry..i couldnt resist...i knew you would bite. Have the brendans and KOR met many times in the championship since the infamous year of 1957 i wonder
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Post by Mickmack on Sept 17, 2018 16:55:16 GMT
I haven’t “done the maths” as they say, but, I would imagine that the huge numbers of scores - for and against – in the Co. Championship has surpassed anything from previous years. From that point of view, it has easily been one of the most entertaining. But surely it's legitimate to ask – has the art of defending been lost in Kerry? Bad defending is a positive from an entertainment point of view, but, for me at any rate; the pendulum has swung too far in the other direction. Before I’m accused of wanting to return to the days of big lads physically bullying small lads into submission, I’m not. But, the way football has changed the past number of years have all been in favour of forwards. Unless we want to turn football into a video game, maybe it is time to start coaching the art of defending as well. It is disappearing before our very eyes in this county. the back card has tilted the balance in favour of the forward. If a team doesnt have some screen at the back to protect the fullback line they are likely to concede scores or lose players to the black card. Tight marking man to man "sticky" defenders is something different of course...maybe that is what you are referring to. Maybe the advent of massed defense has led to less of tight marking man to man defending..i dunno
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Post by onlykerry on Sept 17, 2018 16:59:43 GMT
I actually feel sorry for defenders in the current game - there is no tackle and the merest of touches can result in a free. How many times do we hear the term the forward "drew a foul" or even manufactured a free. With the style of attacking play that has developed with the higher levels of fitness (more support play, running off the shoulder, maintaining possession etc) it is extremely difficult to defend without numbers in defense. There are fewer and fewer one on one contests for possession between backs and forwards with all the rules favouring the attacker.
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Post by buck02 on Sept 17, 2018 17:14:49 GMT
I haven’t “done the maths” as they say, but, I would imagine that the huge numbers of scores - for and against – in the Co. Championship has surpassed anything from previous years. From that point of view, it has easily been one of the most entertaining. But surely it's legitimate to ask – has the art of defending been lost in Kerry? Bad defending is a positive from an entertainment point of view, but, for me at any rate; the pendulum has swung too far in the other direction. Before I’m accused of wanting to return to the days of big lads physically bullying small lads into submission, I’m not. But, the way football has changed the past number of years have all been in favour of forwards. Unless we want to turn football into a video game, maybe it is time to start coaching the art of defending as well. It is disappearing before our very eyes in this county. I blame Gooch. Every fella born between 1995 and 2005 wanted to be a forward cos of him.
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Post by givehimaball on Sept 17, 2018 17:25:35 GMT
I actually feel sorry for defenders in the current game - there is no tackle and the merest of touches can result in a free. How many times do we hear the term the forward "drew a foul" or even manufactured a free. With the style of attacking play that has developed with the higher levels of fitness (more support play, running off the shoulder, maintaining possession etc) it is extremely difficult to defend without numbers in defense. There are fewer and fewer one on one contests for possession between backs and forwards with all the rules favouring the attacker. I've zero pity for defenders - for far too long defenders were allowed get away with murder in terms of fouling. As for the nonsense of there being no tackle, the tackle is clearly defined in the rules. You can disagree with how the tackle is defined in the rules or a ref's interpretation of the rule, but all too folk giving out about the tackle in Gaelic football are ignorant of the definition. I think a huge problem in Gaelic football is that a very high percentage of players are not properly coached in terms of what is a legitimate tackle is and how to legitimately tackle. I suspect at club level especially underage the amount of time spent on coaching the tackling is only a tiny fraction of what is spent on other skills.
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Post by onlykerry on Sept 17, 2018 17:32:35 GMT
I actually feel sorry for defenders in the current game - there is no tackle and the merest of touches can result in a free. How many times do we hear the term the forward "drew a foul" or even manufactured a free. With the style of attacking play that has developed with the higher levels of fitness (more support play, running off the shoulder, maintaining possession etc) it is extremely difficult to defend without numbers in defense. There are fewer and fewer one on one contests for possession between backs and forwards with all the rules favouring the attacker. I've zero pity for defenders - for far too long defenders were allowed get away with murder in terms of fouling. As for the nonsense of there being no tackle, the tackle is clearly defined in the rules. You can disagree with how the tackle is defined in the rules or a ref's interpretation of the rule, but all too folk giving out about the tackle in Gaelic football are ignorant of the definition. I think a huge problem in Gaelic football is that a very high percentage of players are not properly coached in terms of what is a legitimate tackle is and how to legitimately tackle. I suspect at club level especially underage the amount of time spent on coaching the tackling is only a tiny fraction of what is spent on other skills. Thanks for digging out the rule and helping make my point - that rule requires the forward to stand still to allow a defender comply. A moving forward cannot be tackled for fear of coughing up a free. Yes defenders overstep - ask any big number 14 who cannot buy a free close to goals 99% of the time. On balance the rules favour forwards in the current game (big 14's the exception) and they are no angels in taking advantage of this. We will probably have to agree to differ on this one.
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Post by givehimaball on Sept 17, 2018 17:54:14 GMT
I've zero pity for defenders - for far too long defenders were allowed get away with murder in terms of fouling. As for the nonsense of there being no tackle, the tackle is clearly defined in the rules. You can disagree with how the tackle is defined in the rules or a ref's interpretation of the rule, but all too folk giving out about the tackle in Gaelic football are ignorant of the definition. I think a huge problem in Gaelic football is that a very high percentage of players are not properly coached in terms of what is a legitimate tackle is and how to legitimately tackle. I suspect at club level especially underage the amount of time spent on coaching the tackling is only a tiny fraction of what is spent on other skills. Thanks for digging out the rule and helping make my point - that rule requires the forward to stand still to allow a defender comply. A moving forward cannot be tackled for fear of coughing up a free. Yes defenders overstep - ask any big number 14 who cannot buy a free close to goals 99% of the time. On balance the rules favour forwards in the current game (big 14's the exception) and they are no angels in taking advantage of this. We will probably have to agree to differ on this one. No it does not. All too often when you hear a player "drew a foul" what has happened is that the defender became over eager/stuck in a hand/ was lazy with their tackling/flapping their arms around/wasn't making any clear effort to focus their attempted tackle on the ball. Basically if you're not making a clean clear attempt which is focused on the ball as opposed to the player, you're taking a risk that the ref will interpret your attempt to win the ball as a foul. Refs do their best but interpretations will vary from ref to ref and every ref will make mistakes. There is a lot of talk about the general state of Gaelic football and possible rule changes - I would like to see some trials of what a game of football would look like if the rule on the tackle was changes so that the tackle was limited to either one defender at a time or limited to two players at a time. One of the most unsightly looking aspect of the game in my opinion is where a player in possession is swallowed up by 3 defenders, who use a Gaelic football form of the choke tackle, to turnover possession.
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