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Post by wayupnorth on Jul 16, 2018 9:14:36 GMT
Looking at the poll results above. Literally nobody saw this coming.
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Post by Jigz84 on Jul 16, 2018 9:15:24 GMT
So the kick outs were a disaster. You had times when Murphy wasn't restarting quick enough when lads were making themselves available and other times when nobody showed.
Killian Young starting was a cod but predictable too from Fitzmaurice who has form for this bull. Foley did alright but I've my doubts about O'Beaglaoich at this level. Surely Ronan Shanahan finally deserves a chance??!!
What exactly did Peter Crowley achieve as a sweeper? White looks good going forward but very ropey when asked to defend.
Midfield was beaten sick. Moran came into it a bit in the first half but only after Conroy went off. He faded then again as he tends to. There doesn't appear to be any drive about him. Barry was headless and not tuned in at all.
I thought McCarthy did ok. He at least got on ball in the second half when O'Shea and O'Brien were anonymous. O'Donoghue isn't good enough to be starting at the moment. He comes across as lazy and out to do his own thing. Poor day for Geaney. Clifford is some piece of stuff.
We abandoned the high press and as is Fitzmaurice's wont in Croke Park, handed the initiative to Galway.
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Post by a01bf4eb on Jul 16, 2018 9:16:36 GMT
Extremely disappointing performance yesterday. David Clifford was majestic but apart from that there weren't many positives. Is there something to be said for just biting the bullet and starting the big man at full forward next week!? I thought the game was crying out for Donaghy to be introduced yesterday. It's one way to trouble the blanket. I don't agree with JOD constantly being taken off when the game is in the melting pot. Yes, he hit two wides yesterday but he also got on lots of ball and set up a couple of scores, one for Clifford shortly before he was withdrawn and imo he is exactly the type of player you need in the dying minutes of a game when you are losing a tight game. I wonder where his confidence is at. Anyway for what it's worth i would play him at centre forward next week and play Donaghy full forward with Clifford and Geaney either side. Monaghan are a tough, rugged, experienced well organised team but these three inside would ask them different questions and give Kerry's outfield players more/clearer options when under pressure out the field.
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Post by veteran on Jul 16, 2018 9:23:00 GMT
People are criticising venues for matches , saying if some were played here or there the crowds would be bigger. There maybe an element of validity in that suggestion. But if the authorities do not do something about this seriously ailing football code the day will come when they will have difficulty attracting a sell out crowd to my back garden.
Heard on Radio Kerry that Tadgh Morley has a groin injury. Does anybody know the extent of Jason's injury? Felt he played well yesterday.
EF has done a lot of good things for Kerry , won an All-Ireland and NFL when not expected and of course he has dominated Munster. My main criticism with him has been reaction to a game unfolding in front of him. He either does nothing or does it when the horse has bolted or does something inexplicable. In other words very often, too often, he suffers from a brain freeze.
Now I am being dragged screaming to see a recording of the match. If you do not hear from me again you will understand what my fate has been. I expect a good turn out.
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Post by royalkerryfan on Jul 16, 2018 9:50:34 GMT
Extremely disappointing performance yesterday. David Clifford was majestic but apart from that there weren't many positives. Is there something to be said for just biting the bullet and starting the big man at full forward next week!? I thought the game was crying out for Donaghy to be introduced yesterday. It's one way to trouble the blanket. I don't agree with JOD constantly being taken off when the game is in the melting pot. Yes, he hit two wides yesterday but he also got on lots of ball and set up a couple of scores, one for Clifford shortly before he was withdrawn and imo he is exactly the type of player you need in the dying minutes of a game when you are losing a tight game. I wonder where his confidence is at. Anyway for what it's worth i would play him at centre forward next week and play Donaghy full forward with Clifford and Geaney either side. Monaghan are a tough, rugged, experienced well organised team but these three inside would ask them different questions and give Kerry's outfield players more/clearer options when under pressure out the field.
I agree Donaghy needs to be in next week for leadership if nothing else. JOD to make way or out to the 40 where he can get on the ball and play into the boys inside. EF is getting a lot of critism but man we were so flat yesterday and that's down to personal responsibility of the 15 on the field.
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Post by buck02 on Jul 16, 2018 9:53:16 GMT
One word to describe yesterdays game is flat. The crowd were flat. The team were flat. The ref was flat. After watching the Kildare-Monaghan game, our match looked like a junior game.
Usually at this level you need at least 10 players playing to their potential to win. I think that maybe 2 of our players would be satisfied with their performance yesterday.
The last time we had a disastrous few days like these was 2003 when Tyrone hammered the seniors in the semi final and our Under 21s, managed by Jack O Connor, were beaten by Waterford a few days later. At least we have a chance to turn it around next Sunday, instead of stewing over it for the Winter.
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Post by Attacking Wing Back on Jul 16, 2018 10:06:02 GMT
God that was dire stuff from Kerry. Midfield was a disaster. I have said before and will say again that Moran is vastly over rated. He was the senior man in midfield yesterday and should have been doing the bullying not appealing to the ref everytime the ball is kicked out.
If we are so intent on aiming the ball down on top of Moran why not drag everyone to the other side of the pitch? Back the man to win it in the air. Yesterday when we did kick it to him we had a cluster of half backs half forwards around him and their men who were more than willing to block him and pick up the breaks. The idea of bringing Geaney out and isolating him for the kickouts was a good one. With a greasy surface it was a lottery though.
I would have brought D Walsh on for Barry if i was bringing him on at all. I have great time for Maher but, he was not the change we needed yesterday.
So we play with a high press all the time and just abandon it against a team we should play it against? Go figure.
I thought Shane Murphy did well overall to be honest. He had lads with their arses turned to the ball half the time he was looking for a target. Made a couple of good saves including the one where Maher i think thought he was playing it back to Manuel Neuer.
I thought Foley did very well. Peter Crowley looked like a man that didnt know what he was meant to do. Madness playing him as a sweeper. O'Beaghlaoich had a tough day and his replacement fared much better.
Our half back line was wiped out. They made no runs. Were slow on the ball and Killans punch summed up his frustrations.
Our ha;f forward line very very poor. McCarthy was about the best of them. Didnt do a whole lot on the ball and played away too deep. If you can match O'Brien for pace you might as well forget about him.
Clifford was unreal for a mere 19 and it sums Kerry up that he carried us.
Geaney was poor by his standards and they dont seem to have the mix correct up top. J'OD i though was OK and made some great runs tracking back etc which in fairness he shouldnt be doing.
I think our full forward line are too similar and all want to make the same runs, It means we have to bring on of them out to make space.
Finally yesterday was crying out for Donaghy from half time. We were too slow in the build up. At least with him in there we could move the point of the attack closer to the goals and go over the Galway defence.
I would next week move James to the wing and but O'Brien in the corner. Let him play out on the 40 as an extra half forward but be the out ball for the defence when they look up. If its not working after 20 mins. Donaghy to full forward and Clifford in one Corner and JOD in the other. Geaney to centre forward with intructions not to go deep
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Post by athletics on Jul 16, 2018 10:14:26 GMT
I don't think Joe O Connor has left. He seemed very much part of it when we played Clare and Cork. Anyone have any other info ?
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Post by a01bf4eb on Jul 16, 2018 10:15:07 GMT
Extremely disappointing performance yesterday. David Clifford was majestic but apart from that there weren't many positives. Is there something to be said for just biting the bullet and starting the big man at full forward next week!? I thought the game was crying out for Donaghy to be introduced yesterday. It's one way to trouble the blanket. I don't agree with JOD constantly being taken off when the game is in the melting pot. Yes, he hit two wides yesterday but he also got on lots of ball and set up a couple of scores, one for Clifford shortly before he was withdrawn and imo he is exactly the type of player you need in the dying minutes of a game when you are losing a tight game. I wonder where his confidence is at. Anyway for what it's worth i would play him at centre forward next week and play Donaghy full forward with Clifford and Geaney either side. Monaghan are a tough, rugged, experienced well organised team but these three inside would ask them different questions and give Kerry's outfield players more/clearer options when under pressure out the field.
I agree Donaghy needs to be in next week for leadership if nothing else. JOD to make way or out to the 40 where he can get on the ball and play into the boys inside. EF is getting a lot of critism but man we were so flat yesterday and that's down to personal responsibility of the 15 on the field.
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Post by a01bf4eb on Jul 16, 2018 10:19:34 GMT
Extremely disappointing performance yesterday. David Clifford was majestic but apart from that there weren't many positives. Is there something to be said for just biting the bullet and starting the big man at full forward next week!? I thought the game was crying out for Donaghy to be introduced yesterday. It's one way to trouble the blanket. I don't agree with JOD constantly being taken off when the game is in the melting pot. Yes, he hit two wides yesterday but he also got on lots of ball and set up a couple of scores, one for Clifford shortly before he was withdrawn and imo he is exactly the type of player you need in the dying minutes of a game when you are losing a tight game. I wonder where his confidence is at. Anyway for what it's worth i would play him at centre forward next week and play Donaghy full forward with Clifford and Geaney either side. Monaghan are a tough, rugged, experienced well organised team but these three inside would ask them different questions and give Kerry's outfield players more/clearer options when under pressure out the field.
I agree Donaghy needs to be in next week for leadership if nothing else. JOD to make way or out to the 40 where he can get on the ball and play into the boys inside. EF is getting a lot of critism but man we were so flat yesterday and that's down to personal responsibility of the 15 on the field. I agree players need to take responsibility and i have always been a big defender of Fitzmaurice but i do think the changes yesterday were strange. Next week could be the most important game for a long time. Players need to stand up and be counted.
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Post by dc84 on Jul 16, 2018 10:43:32 GMT
People are criticising venues for matches , saying if some were played here or there the crowds would be bigger. There maybe an element of validity in that suggestion. But if the authorities do not do something about this seriously ailing football code the day will come when they will have difficulty attracting a sell out crowd to my back garden. Heard on Radio Kerry that Tadgh Morley has a groin injury. Does anybody know the extent of Jason's injury? Felt he played well yesterday. EF has done a lot of good things for Kerry , won an All-Ireland and NFL when not expected and of course he has dominated Munster. My main criticism with him has been reaction to a game unfolding in front of him. He either does nothing or does it when the horse has bolted or does something inexplicable. In other words very often, too often, he suffers from a brain freeze. Now I am being dragged screaming to see a recording of the match. If you do not hear from me again you will understand what my fate has been. I expect a good turn out. Nail hit firmly on the head as always vet! His in game management i have always questioned. The lack of phsicallity in the half back line was frightening three good players but shouldnt start together morley was a loss. Anyway positive now that the anger has passed 1.we arent out! Could see kildare and ourselves winning next weekend. 2.clifford came of age 1-4 from play for a 19 year old against a blanket very impressive (hope he doesnt rethink Australia) 3. Foley did very well i thought on Comer couldnt do much with the one point he conceded 4.this was bound to happen at some stage with a young team see donegal last year it will take at least 2 yrs to get a bit more cohesion and physically up to standard. 5. We cant be as bad again can we?
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Post by john4 on Jul 16, 2018 11:45:10 GMT
Even before the results of the Clare and Cork games became apparent, from the off, Kerry, you could say that for the first time since the 2014 final they had a recognizable and describable style of play, all out attack, Cork got 2 early goals, I would have thought (and hoped not) that the sideline would have reverted to defensive stuff. They didn't, I was so impressed with this positively,they drove on. Then why in the name of God would they switch back to playing this *e, with the all out attack style of play I wouldn't give one damn if they were beat, at least you're having a go but to be beat at this stuff is 10 times worse.
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Post by oldschool on Jul 16, 2018 11:57:55 GMT
1. We will win nothing till the kick out strategy is resolved. It is not the goalies' fault that at least 10 of the kickouts were turned over. The half-hearted effort we saw is just not good enough. This is basic stuff so come on EF and deal with it. 2 Give K. Donaghy a while around the square. 3 Any role for Ronan Shanahan ?
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Post by gamechanger10 on Jul 16, 2018 13:22:44 GMT
Firstly I want to wish Paul Conroy a full and speedy recovery from that most unfortunate and dreadful injury yesterday.
Donaghy is long in the tooth i know but he still has at least thirty minutes where he can contribute hugely at this level. I think that fitzmaurice should have thrown him in for at least the last twenty minutes of the game. We were just doing the same thing over and over again and getting the same result, the supporters were frustrated into silence except tor the repeaded groans when we did yet another unkerry like thing on the field. Donaghy would have lifted the crowd and more importantly the team and he has the experience to pull and dragg the galway defensive set up to have made more space for geaney and Clifford to do damage, it would alsu have brought the inside line closer to goal and he is a great man to feed other players.
I would love to know what the managment thought they were going to achieve with those late substitutions yesterday, what was their thought process when they chose to use them on the sixty third or fourth minute of the game (appart from griffin replacing jason). Well anyway i hope the team can get their heads straight after such a flat gutless display yesterday and prepare for next sunday as we are in for another suffocating day at the office. Lets hope they can find it in themselves to get a win in Monaghan and get the show back on the road again, i cant see them being as poor on either side of the chalk line again. Come on the Kingdom
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Post by veteran on Jul 16, 2018 14:21:18 GMT
Having looked at the recording I saw little to lift my spirits but surely I heard the sporting quote of the decade. Matin Carney, when will this man be put out to grass, when describing the the Killian Young red card " I didn't actually see the incident itself but I saw it the moment after it happened". Only in Ireland would the national television station employ a guy like that.
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Post by Tadhgeen on Jul 16, 2018 14:22:51 GMT
Best wishes to Paul Conroy. It just as easily have been Sean o Shea. What was JOD thinking sliding in with two feet first like Vinnie Jones. He should have been red carded for that. Only luck saved a horific injury to an opponent In fairness it looked like he retracted his feet when he realised that he was not going to get to the ball. No red card for me. Borderline yellow given the conditions,
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Jul 16, 2018 14:33:12 GMT
Having looked at the recording I saw little to lift my spirits but surely I heard the sporting quote of the decade. Matin Carney, when will this man be put out to grass, when describing the the Killian Young red card " I didn't actually see the incident itself but I saw it the moment after it happened". Only in Ireland would the national television station employ a guy like that. I heard that at the time. There is another classic in there if someone can answer this: was Peter Crowley playing sweeper or full back?
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Post by colinsworth1 on Jul 16, 2018 14:34:15 GMT
How many times yesterday did a kerry attacker carry ball at speed make good progress then put on the brakes and tamely turn back when a few more hard yards would have produced a shot or won a free? This happened all day Long where’s the bravery and the desire ? The Sunday Game last night highlighted a good score by Shane Walsh but in doing so inadvertently provided our management with the best post game video analysis where one of our much vaunted defenders casually looks on almost in admiration as walsh takes his shot that clip says a lot just baffling really !!! Peter Crowley one of our best was taken out of the game completely How about we play Peter Midfield against Monaghan at least he will bring it to Monaghan at every oppertunity
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Post by jackiel on Jul 16, 2018 14:38:23 GMT
I was too annoyed to read or to comment last night. Today I am calmer. I had people around me saying that Kerry would win Sam this year but I tend to be a bit cagey and the Galway match was going to give an indication of how they might fare. We can thank our lucky stars for all of Galway's wides in the first half or we'd have been gone home by the interval. We had no pace and no answer to the problem came from the substitutions. I would have thrown Donaghy in because he was bound to stir things up one way or another, Darran too. Now that I am calmer I'm certain that the Monaghan match will bear no resemblance whatsoever to yesterday's muck. We can't be that bad again, it's a must win and I feel that yes they will do it.
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Post by clarinman on Jul 16, 2018 14:44:32 GMT
Having looked at the recording I saw little to lift my spirits but surely I heard the sporting quote of the decade. Matin Carney, when will this man be put out to grass, when describing the the Killian Young red card " I didn't actually see the incident itself but I saw it the moment after it happened". Only in Ireland would the national television station employ a guy like that. I heard that at the time. There is another classic in there if someone can answer this: was Peter Crowley playing sweeper or full back? He was trying to play sweeper.
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Post by champer on Jul 16, 2018 14:46:23 GMT
Lots of comments here about getting rid of Eamonn Fitzmaurice and Jack O'Connor. Presume if Peter Keane loses he will be for the chop as well. What management options are available that would improve the senior and u20 set up? No use replacing with a worse option.
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Post by Kingdomson on Jul 16, 2018 14:53:38 GMT
Not sure why people are shocked at this defeat but I suspect it is more about Kerry’s actual performance than the result. This result was no shock and has been coming if one has been followed the form lines of both sides over the past 18 months especially.
Galway blooded their young players last year and their tactical approach has been a work in progress for some time. Galway had much stronger players in certain positions and they held a clear sway at midfield. If we had Peter Cooke in our ranks he’d probably be starting ahead of Jack Barry. Remember Cooke’s performance in the under 21 semi-final last year against Kerry when he dominated the match and ripped Kerry asunder at midfield? Paul Conroy is a loss but what a replacement to have in Peter Cooke, a player with a big future ahead in this game.
I agree with Veteran that Fitzmaurice has done a lot of good things but his judgement under pressure has repeatedly demonstrated panic. I also agree with others who suggested Eamon Fitzmaurice’s natural tenure by right ended following the defeat to Dublin in 2016. I remember the incredulity of Kerry fans around me in the Cusack Stand when he substituted our best forward Paul Geaney that day with the game still in the balance, I also remember the laughter of the few Dublin supporters around me at the same move. Certainly, Fitzmaurice should have gone following the debacle of 2017. It’s too late to change horses now so we need to see this season out. As I wrote in my earlier post-match comments, Fitzmaurice’s demeanour was worrying and he looked a beaten man in the end. Next Sunday is going to be an absolute dogfight – do we have guts now for it? We have chance but it’s no more than 50/50 for me. This Monaghan team are some well-seasoned battle-hardened warriors at this stage who will ensure this is an inch by inch battle at best. Anyone who thinks we might go shooting the lights out against those boys haven't been paying attention.
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Post by champer on Jul 16, 2018 15:19:21 GMT
Not sure why people are shocked at this defeat but I suspect it is more about Kerry’s actual performance than the result. This result was no shock and has been coming if one has been followed the form lines of both sides over the past 18 months especially. Galway blooded their young players last year and their tactical approach has been a work in progress for some time. Galway had much stronger players in certain positions and they held a clear sway at midfield. If we had Peter Cooke in our ranks he’d probably be starting ahead of Jack Barry. Remember Cooke’s performance in the under 21 semi-final last year against Kerry when he dominated the match and ripped Kerry asunder at midfield? Paul Conroy is a loss but what a replacement to have in Peter Cooke, a player with a big future ahead in this game. I agree with Veteran that Fitzmaurice has done a lot of good things but his judgement under pressure has repeatedly demonstrated panic. I also agree with others who suggested Eamon Fitzmaurice’s natural tenure by right ended following the defeat to Dublin in 2016. I remember the incredulity of Kerry fans around me in the Cusack Stand when he substituted our best forward Paul Geaney that day with the game still in the balance, I also remember the laughter of the few Dublin supporters around me at the same move. Certainly, Fitzmaurice should have gone following the debacle of 2017. It’s too late to change horses now so we need to see this season out. As I wrote in my earlier post-match comments, Fitzmaurice’s demeanour was worrying and he looked a beaten man in the end. Next Sunday is going to be an absolute dogfight – do we have guts now for it? We have chance but it’s no more than 50/50 for me. This Monaghan team are some well-seasoned battle-hardened warriors at this stage who will ensure this is an inch by inch battle at best. Anyone who thinks we might go shooting the lights out against those boys haven't been paying attention. Who are the candidates to replace him that can do a better job?
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Post by john4 on Jul 16, 2018 15:20:58 GMT
Liam Kerins
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Post by buck02 on Jul 16, 2018 16:16:51 GMT
On another note, I hope Kevin Walsh is deeply ashamed of his behaviour after running 30 yards onto the pitch to confront the ref who had blown the whistle to allow Conroy and Seanie Shea to get medical attention.
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Post by kerryboy83 on Jul 16, 2018 17:05:30 GMT
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Post by sayitasiseeit on Jul 16, 2018 17:17:51 GMT
Pat O Shea Dr Crokes is the most qualified and capable me of training the Kerry team. Whether he’d want it would be another thing. Tactically astute.
Peter Keane has done well wherever he’s been but unfortunately the county board failed to give him the u20 job this year. Which was a no brainer as it was made up of the two minor teams which he guided to minor all Ireland wins. He had worked with everyone one of the players. Instead Jack O Connor got it. Peter should have got that job, it would have stood to him if he had done a good job he’d have had a strong case for a go at the senior post.
Instead of Peter getting that and a new manager getting a go at minor we shunted the development of potential younger coaches. Developing coaches is arguably more important as developing players. Only a handful of good young coaches operating at club level.
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Post by ciarrai78 on Jul 16, 2018 17:34:19 GMT
I haven’t posted on here for quite a while now but yesterday’s defeat has prompted me to do so.
After the Cork performance I was sure we had turned a corner and like many others I expected an energetic and slick display in the wide expanses of Croke Park. Instead we witnessed one of the most lethargic performances that I have seen from Kerry in years and it seemed to me that we were lacking in basic hunger and will to win …… and without the requisite desire, all the skill in the world will get you nowhere against a more motivated opponent – which Galway clearly were.
While I am always reluctant to criticise management (primarily because they are essentially all very well intentioned volunteers) I do feel that they have serious questions to answer, so I’ll put a few of mine out there. Firstly, after two games of stylish attacking football we decided to change tactics and revert to the defensive, lateral and ponderous style of play in what was probably an effort to beat Galway at their own game. Why? Secondly, What was our kick out strategy? We looked clueless at times and lacking in a “plan B” (assuming that there was a plan A!) Thirdly, why was Seanie O’Shea relieved of the free taking duties? If it wasn’t due to an injury it can’t have done much for his confidence. Lastly, Who was making the calls on the substitutions? The triple substitution with six minutes left was bewildering in the extreme.
I would hope that yesterday’s defeat will not dent the confidence of the younger players too severely. Management now need to refocus them and re-instil their self belief over the coming days. This is a big ask and “one size fits all” policy will not work. Some will be motivated by a bollicking, some will require an arm around the shoulder and encouragement, and others will hopefully be able to get themselves right. Having the right mental attitude will be paramount next week as this trip to Clones in a “do or die” assignment is a venture into the unknown against seasoned performers and it won’t be easy.
Finally, a lot of people I spoke with after the match told me they may not travel to Clones. I myself was of the same view, but am now coming around again. Hopefully the hurt of yesterday will drive the players to deliver a strong performance next week. The players need our support now more than ever and we should show up in numbers
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Post by greengold35 on Jul 16, 2018 18:04:38 GMT
This reminds me of game vs Antrim in ‘09 when the media et al had written our obituary - a massive crowd turned up in Tullamore and our season was turned around - let Clones now be our Tullamore - it’s ClonesorNowhere next Sunday!!
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Post by clarinman on Jul 16, 2018 18:14:24 GMT
This reminds me of game vs Antrim in ‘09 when the media et al had written our obituary - a massive crowd turned up in Tullamore and our season was turned around - let Clones now be our Tullamore - it’s ClonesorNowhere next Sunday!! We brought Mike McCarthy out of retirement for that match. Who's going to save our bacon this time?
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