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Post by athletics on Jul 15, 2018 22:25:24 GMT
Very disappointing day. It will be hard to turn this around in a week. Tadhg must be injured he was gathering up the footballs after the warm up. Anyone know where Joe O Connir was today? I reckon he was at the Limerick hurling game!
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Post by clarinman on Jul 15, 2018 22:39:32 GMT
Lads, what happened Tadhg Morley? He must've been injured as he didn't even come on? Morley took no part in team warmup. He was togged but wearing runners and spent the warmup behind the goals throwing balls back out.
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Post by southward on Jul 15, 2018 22:42:20 GMT
Lads, I understand the reluctance to criticize players; I generally try to subscribe to that myself. However, I think it's a cop-out to pin the whole fiasco today on EF & co, not that they don't bear some responsibility here.
The tactics were disappointing for sure and some of the substitutions in particular baffling, but a lot of fellas inside the chalklines would want to have a chat with themselves after this display. With a few honourable exceptions, there seemed to be zero hunger and effort out there for some reason - do players need management to motivate them in a Kerry jersey?
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Post by sullyschoice on Jul 15, 2018 22:51:03 GMT
At one point Brian O beaglaoich was so intent on looking at his man that he had his back to the ball as it came his way. It went straight to his man.
Morley was in his tracksuit kicking balls out from behind the Hill 16 goal for the warm up so I presume he was carrying an injury.
It was on a par to 2001 semi final for me. Absoilte complete systems failure.
I was very bullish about our chances with all the talent coming through from underage success but I àm feeling depressed after watching that abject display.
I don't want to travel to Clones next week but probably will and that under20 display yesterday doesn't help my mood.
Give Peter Keane a go perhaps.
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Post by fenit67 on Jul 15, 2018 22:51:43 GMT
That today was pure muck; we were awful. We are out of this year's race because going to Clones will be difficult and I dare say beyond this team. I will not criticize Eamonn Fitzmaurice because I think he is no longer capable but I will invite a defence. What exactly has he achieved since 2014?
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Post by kerryboy83 on Jul 15, 2018 23:14:44 GMT
Can someone please tell me why we changed to Murphy as our free taker today? Not saying it was the reason we lost but seanie se was our free taker all year in the league and Munster championship and now we change??
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Post by southward on Jul 15, 2018 23:17:42 GMT
As an aside to the result and the performance today, I think the weekend's super-eight games have shown up the slavish devotion to Croke Park at the expense of other venues. Poor crowds, zero atmosphere, crap matches. Kerry/Galway would surely have been so much better in Limerick, perhaps last night after the U20 game.
There's plenty of other provincial grounds too that would suit better than a half-empty Croker. Jones Road should only be used for Dublin home games, Leinster Finals and of course the decider itself imo.
Dragging Kerry and Galway fans up to Dublin today was a load of b*llocks. Someone said a while back that it may have something to do with 10-year tickets and the promise of so many games at HQ. If that's all it is, just give them their money back. Some hope, I know, but the whole weekend was a poor advert for the super 8s and fans won't stand for it in the long run.
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Post by greengold35 on Jul 15, 2018 23:20:56 GMT
Lads, I understand the reluctance to criticize players; I generally try to subscribe to that myself. However, I think it's a cop-out to pin the whole fiasco today on EF & co, not that they don't bear some responsibility here. The tactics were disappointing for sure and some of the substitutions in particular baffling, but a lot of fellas inside the chalklines would want to have a chat with themselves after this display. With a few honourable exceptions, there seemed to be zero hunger and effort out there for some reason - do players need management to motivate them in a Kerry jersey? There is only one explanation for a day like yesterday and that’s attitude - if that’s not right, then it does not matter how hard you have trained or how much you have practiced - only those within the camp will have the answers and will require much soul searching this week.
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Post by john4 on Jul 15, 2018 23:30:45 GMT
Lads, I understand the reluctance to criticize players; I generally try to subscribe to that myself. However, I think it's a cop-out to pin the whole fiasco today on EF & co, not that they don't bear some responsibility here. The tactics were disappointing for sure and some of the substitutions in particular baffling, but a lot of fellas inside the chalklines would want to have a chat with themselves after this display. With a few honourable exceptions, there seemed to be zero hunger and effort out there for some reason - do players need management to motivate them in a Kerry jersey? There is only one explanation for a day like yesterday and that’s attitude - if that’s not right, then it does not matter how hard you have trained or how much you have practiced - only those within the camp will have the answers and will require much soul searching this week. Just watched the highlights on the Sunday game, Kerry kickout to 1 Kerry player middle of the field surrounded by 3 Galway guys, a Kerry player (wouldn't care to name) within distance were the ball to break and he walking, honestly, I missed it live but ffs, how much do they actually want this?
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Post by southward on Jul 15, 2018 23:40:24 GMT
Disappointing and all as today was, let's spare a thought for Paul Conroy. Double leg-break, I understand. A full recovery, hopefully.
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Post by fenit67 on Jul 15, 2018 23:40:30 GMT
Tactically today both sides aped each other. How have we improved an how can we still be considered contenders?
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Post by gbbuei on Jul 15, 2018 23:46:15 GMT
Shane Murphy had a a few wayward kicks out but in his defence the a lot of his colleagues had little interest in making themselves available. Absolutely agreed. I noted on several occasions he had the ball down on the tee ready to go and every outfield player was switched off which allowed Galway to setup again. He was very animated a couple of times, frustrated by the lack of movement. Compare that to the Dubs with Cluxton having a ball on the tee before an umpire had raised the white flag or waved it wide and the ball on route into space for the likes of a Paul Flynn to run on to it over the years.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 16, 2018 0:16:59 GMT
That today was pure muck; we were awful. We are out of this year's race because going to Clones will be difficult and I dare say beyond this team. I will not criticize Eamonn Fitzmaurice because I think he is no longer capable but I will invite a defence. What exactly has he achieved since 2014? Nothing is the answer fenit. He got us an All Ireland i'll give him that. In Kerry we demand success that's just the way it is. I think he has had more than enough time now to win another one. He has been up against a great Dublin side that's true. For me though it's more than the fact we have not won an All Ireland it's the way we have performed. Since 2014 we have beaten really bad Cork teams and poor Munster sides in general. When we have met a good or decent side we have looked really poor. Mayo last year and Galway today and of course the Dubs. I think our standards have dropped. We have not gotten better with him as a Manager. He seems way out of his league tactically. His decision making shocks me at times in games. He seems lost at times on the sideline. I wanted him out in 2016 the reason being I said he had taken us as far as he can and that's when it's time. We should have started fresh with new management in 2017 and who knows what could have happened. Peter Keane for me as sully said is an option. I don't think he could do worse. Something has to change after this year. I think you should be judged on performances and results and the facts don't lie. Nothing against him personally but I hope he walks away. We have a new young bunch of players coming through in the next 2 or 3 years and we need a new man in there to freshen things up. Things have gone stale with this team it's the same old performances and same old mistakes. I think its well overdue. I think we'll lose in Monaghan and that's probably it and deservedly so. What makes things worse is Galway didn't play near their best and we still looked terrible. If Mick O'Dwyer had lost in 1978 and 1979 to Dublin would he have been kept on in 1980? I don't think so.
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Jul 16, 2018 0:26:20 GMT
He should have gone in 2016.
Now we should support him.
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Post by Ballyfireside on Jul 16, 2018 1:31:50 GMT
I have no info here but could it be that both teams had taken food that didn't agree with them as what happened is not otherwise explainable, both teams to flop on consecutive days? Treaty v Cats with small ball was brill so what was so different - did Galway set-up in a way that we couldn't see on TV?
It is a topsy-turvy year and the whole thing can turn upside down in 20 mins, say like Kildare beating Mayo and Tyrone dousing our Rebels. Unless Dublin kept their powder dry, this supposedly all-time best team weren't too much better than a Donegal team in transition so it is all still wide open and any of half a dozen teams could claim Sam. Wise owl Dwyer said there would be surprises and surprises there was and the part is only starting. Tyrones games with Donegal and Dublin will be crackers!
I also think younger players might have an advantage in the Super 8s as they recover quicker so we look good there with so many top class rookies. Clifford could be the best footballer of all time but ah, let's wait!
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Post by Ballyfireside on Jul 16, 2018 1:35:26 GMT
That today was pure muck; we were awful. We are out of this year's race because going to Clones will be difficult and I dare say beyond this team. I will not criticize Eamonn Fitzmaurice because I think he is no longer capable but I will invite a defence. What exactly has he achieved since 2014? Nothing is the answer fenit. He got us an All Ireland i'll give him that. In Kerry we demand success that's just the way it is. I think he has had more than enough time now to win another one. He has been up against a great Dublin side that's true. For me though it's more than the fact we have not won an All Ireland it's the way we have performed. Since 2014 we have beaten really bad Cork teams and poor Munster sides in general. When we have met a good or decent side we have looked really poor. Mayo last year and Galway today and of course the Dubs. I think our standards have dropped. We have not gotten better with him as a Manager. He seems way out of his league tactically. His decision making shocks me at times in games. He seems lost at times on the sideline. I wanted him out in 2016 the reason being I said he had taken us as far as he can and that's when it's time. We should have started fresh with new management in 2017 and who knows what could have happened. Peter Keane for me as sully said is an option. I don't think he could do worse. Something has to change after this year. I think you should be judged on performances and results and the facts don't lie. Nothing against him personally but I hope he walks away. We have a new young bunch of players coming through in the next 2 or 3 years and we need a new man in there to freshen things up. Things have gone stale with this team it's the same old performances and same old mistakes. I think its well overdue. I think we'll lose in Monaghan and that's probably it and deservedly so. What makes things worse is Galway didn't play near their best and we still looked terrible. If Mick O'Dwyer had lost in 1978 and 1979 to Dublin would he have been kept on in 1980? I don't think so. Yerra man keep the chin up, we should take Monaghan and Kildare, you saying we have no chance of winning Sam?, I wouldn't agree at all.
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Post by colinsworth1 on Jul 16, 2018 3:42:20 GMT
I don’t know what people are shocked about Galway are a real good team much better than ours today please let’s call a spade a spade We got beat in nearly all the individual battles But just a few that puzzled me Sean O Shea was totally anonymous how he stayed on the field is beyond belief he possibly got effected by the broken leg clash with Conroy but either way a management no call . McCarthy. Ahead of Byrne ?? Ahead of Darren ? I don’t think he has the scoring or the passing despite being a great worker. Jack Barry. Not giving Moran enough help he’s not up to it and looks like he’s driving with the handbrake on his Replacement Anthony Maher simply did not work today is there any better midfielder in all the clubs in the county of kerry ?? Surely we can find a few more options The most galling moment of the game for me was when Paul Murphy got flung like a rag doll to the ground by Brannigan this stuff is a blight and Galway were at it all day either sort this out on the pitch or with the referees but it needs to be addressed urgently Another low point today for me was when Gavan White had got into a goal scoring position and backed out of the shot then punch passes to a Galway player where they went up field and scored such an in kerry like move that ball should have been in the back of the net or at least over the bar Now we have to pull out all the stops and beat Monaghan why not !!
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Post by Tadhgeen on Jul 16, 2018 6:43:07 GMT
Can someone please tell me why we changed to Murphy as our free taker today? Not saying it was the reason we lost but seanie se was our free taker all year in the league and Munster championship and now we change?? In fairness we could not buy a free within scoring distance. Strange given the conditions.
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Post by yourholiness on Jul 16, 2018 6:52:16 GMT
As an aside to the result and the performance today, I think the weekend's super-eight games have shown up the slavish devotion to Croke Park at the expense of other venues. Poor crowds, zero atmosphere, crap matches. Kerry/Galway would surely have been so much better in Limerick, perhaps last night after the U20 game. There's plenty of other provincial grounds too that would suit better than a half-empty Croker. Jones Road should only be used for Dublin home games, Leinster Finals and of course the decider itself imo. Dragging Kerry and Galway fans up to Dublin today was a load of b*llocks. Someone said a while back that it may have something to do with 10-year tickets and the promise of so many games at HQ. If that's all it is, just give them their money back. Some hope, I know, but the whole weekend was a poor advert for the super 8s and fans won't stand for it in the long run. I couldn’t agree more . Dublin v Donegal in Omagh , Kerry v Galway could’ve been played in Limerick. How this wasn’t considered is beyond me . They are trying to launch a new format in a half empty stadium. It looks terrible . It gives Dublin two fixtures in the same venue. Poor planning.
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Post by reidy8284 on Jul 16, 2018 7:11:40 GMT
Did anyone else not think Sean O Shea was injured. Seemed to be limping from the first minute of game and his running was laboured. Midfield were a major disappointment and do not look capable of leading Kerry anywhere close to All Ireland title now or anytime in the future. Morley massive loss and obviously injured is the lynchpin of Kerry defence. In relation to JOD he is trying very hard but for left footed player he is playing in wrong corner. Clifford should be at 14 and geaney and JOD in the corners. Bottom line challenge and all as it is if Kerry cannot beat Monaghan in Clones they as well off our cause they will not be beating Dubs. This team has its back to wall and it’s now we will find out where this group of players are really at. Yesterday was not an accurate reflection of their true worth but we will know for sure next wkd. Serious question marks do remain however about EF in game management. Some of is substitutions down through years have been shocking
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Post by bomberliston on Jul 16, 2018 7:15:16 GMT
As an aside to the result and the performance today, I think the weekend's super-eight games have shown up the slavish devotion to Croke Park at the expense of other venues. Poor crowds, zero atmosphere, crap matches. Kerry/Galway would surely have been so much better in Limerick, perhaps last night after the U20 game. There's plenty of other provincial grounds too that would suit better than a half-empty Croker. Jones Road should only be used for Dublin home games, Leinster Finals and of course the decider itself imo. Dragging Kerry and Galway fans up to Dublin today was a load of b*llocks. Someone said a while back that it may have something to do with 10-year tickets and the promise of so many games at HQ. If that's all it is, just give them their money back. Some hope, I know, but the whole weekend was a poor advert for the super 8s and fans won't stand for it in the long run. I couldn’t agree more . Dublin v Donegal in Omagh , Kerry v Galway could’ve been played in Limerick. How this wasn’t considered is beyond me . They are trying to launch a new format in a half empty stadium. It looks terrible . It gives Dublin two fixtures in the same venue. Poor planning. The GAA, a bunch of amateurs!!!
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Post by taibhse on Jul 16, 2018 7:48:21 GMT
We will analyze this game Ad nauseam, but the bottom line for me is that the players left themselves, their manager and the Kerry jersey down yesterday - simple as that. (I would exclude Clifford and Foley from that criticism.) We are all aware of the sacrifices made by amateurs but that was not acceptable from anyone in a green and gold jersey.
This group of players has been provided with all the bells and whistles and there are no excuses on that front. I have no wish to single out players but for once I will defend Eamon Fitzmaurice and his support staff. Not one of them were kicking ball yesterday.
I would counsel that this is not over yet and we have one last chance to redeem ourselves next weekend. I believe that Joe O'Connor has left the set-up a good while back and Nial Mahoney is the man now.
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Post by hurlingman on Jul 16, 2018 8:04:37 GMT
More of the same questions to be asked once more.
Since lasts years semi final how many games have the likes of Young, Maher and Walsh played? Be it with club or county?
Subs that made no scene and took too long to bring on.
Some very below par displays from the likes of Sean O Shea, Jack Barry amoung others.
Another thing once again no sign of Ronan Shanahan yesterday. EF seems to have a thing against him when it comes to the championship.
Also once again no plan when it comes to kick outs. Not sure how many were just kicked 10 yards to a fellas feet.
All and all once of if not the worst display since the 1999 Munster final IMO
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Post by kerryexile on Jul 16, 2018 8:08:16 GMT
Can you you use bad language on here.. God I'm raging two nights in a row. No. The exclusive right to use expletives is held by one particular member.
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Post by greengold35 on Jul 16, 2018 8:13:02 GMT
We will analyze this game Ad nauseam, but the bottom line for me is that the players left themselves, their manager and the Kerry jersey down yesterday - simple as that. (I would exclude Clifford and Foley from that criticism.) We are all aware of the sacrifices made by amateurs but that was not acceptable from anyone in a green and gold jersey. This group of players has been provided with all the bells and whistles and there are no excuses on that front. I have no wish to single out players but for once I will defend Eamon Fitzmaurice and his support staff. Not one of them were kicking ball yesterday. I would counsel that this is not over yet and we have one last chance to redeem ourselves next weekend. I believe that Joe O'Connor has left the set-up a good while back and Nial Mahoney is the man now. I would be disappointed if Joe O’Connor has departed - he was very much in evidence in PUC three weeks ago.
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Post by Mickmack on Jul 16, 2018 8:19:42 GMT
I have no info here but could it be that both teams had taken food that didn't agree with them The Kerry ingredient maybe
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Post by Mickmack on Jul 16, 2018 8:24:18 GMT
Best wishes to Paul Conroy. It just as easily have been Sean o Shea. What was JOD thinking sliding in with two feet first like Vinnie Jones. He should have been red carded for that. Only luck saved a horific injury to an opponent
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Post by hurlingman on Jul 16, 2018 8:38:07 GMT
That today was pure muck; we were awful. We are out of this year's race because going to Clones will be difficult and I dare say beyond this team. I will not criticize Eamonn Fitzmaurice because I think he is no longer capable but I will invite a defence. What exactly has he achieved since 2014?IMO a lot of fellas have actually gone backwards, more so in the last 2 years.
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Post by john4 on Jul 16, 2018 9:06:48 GMT
Can someone please tell me why we changed to Murphy as our free taker today? Not saying it was the reason we lost but seanie se was our free taker all year in the league and Munster championship and now we change?? In fairness we could not buy a free within scoring distance. Strange given the conditions. Sean o se looked like he was injured and probably felt he wasn't sure of taking the frees, the Galway backs defended brilliantly, they will be very proud of the fact that they didn't give away many scorable frees. We're inclined to defend with panic and with fear of the sideline,
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Post by MeathExile on Jul 16, 2018 9:14:08 GMT
It reminded me of 2001 vs Meath - not quite as bad but still left wondering what has changed since the last match.
My feeling is that there a large portion of the preparation is being spent on preparing for the other teams tactics, instead of looking to our own strengths. The fear of losing prevails - I wonder how often the management say 'Dont do this', 'Dont do that' in their planning and team talks. It was terrible yesterday in the first half - seeing 1 player being left in the forward line. When we won the ball there was nobody to kick it to - complete contrast to Cork set-up.
I still think we will beat Monaghan, purely for the reason that there is no point in holding back, they have to go for it now. Plus Monaghan will be on their fourth weekend on the trot.
Going back to posts before the game re players not present on the match day panel - Gavin Crowley, Shanahan, Daithi Casey. I wonder would this trio contribute more than some who started yesterday - my feeling is yes.
Croke park heads have a lot to answer for - dragging people all the way to Dublin to a two-thirds empty stadium. Limerick was a no-brainer for this match, could have altered the atmosphere completely and would do a lot for the Limerick economy.
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