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Post by Mickmack on Jul 16, 2018 19:07:07 GMT
Peter Keane has done well wherever he’s been but unfortunately the county board failed to give him the u20 job this year. Which was a no brainer as it was made up of the two minor teams which he guided to minor all Ireland wins. He had worked with everyone one of the players. Instead Jack O Connor got it. Peter should have got that job, it would have stood to him if he had done a good job he’d have had a strong case for a go at the senior post. Instead of Peter getting that and a new manager getting a go at minor we shunted the development of potential younger coaches. Developing coaches is arguably more important as developing players. Only a handful of good young coaches operating at club level. Hard to argue with that
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Post by Mickmack on Jul 16, 2018 19:16:00 GMT
Galway were a shambles last year. Up for it v Mayo, didnt show up in Connacht final and caved in without a fight v Kerry with a gutless performance. A lot has changed since the Tyrone lad got involved and the few u21s from 2017 joined the panel. What have we to go on now to judge form. Not much. If Dublin is the measure you would have to say Kerry didnt fare as well v Dublin as Galway did. I see no reason for overconfidence. I see no reason for anxiety either because maybe Kerry are miles better than they were in the spring. These games will tell us if they are. The league form of the Spring is proving to be pretty accurate. I think we will just have to accept that Galway are better than Kerry at the moment as Mayo were over the past few years. Galway dont have the finishing power of Tyrone of the noughties but their defensive formation is pretty effective it has to be said. The question to be resolved on Sunday is whether Monaghan are also better than Kerry now. The league game is here Conor McCarthy of Monaghan as well as Barry OSullivan and Jack Barry were away with UCD at the time.
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Post by john4 on Jul 16, 2018 19:22:11 GMT
Spare a thought for Ronan McCarthy, after yesterday, his mountain is after getting a whole lot higher!
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Post by Mickmack on Jul 16, 2018 19:42:56 GMT
JOHN DIVILLY: Galway turned up with a plan. What was Kerry’s? Monday, July 16, 2018 The final instalment of round one in the Super 8 produced one of the strangest and most subdued games in Croke Park in a very long time, writes John Divilly.
We were all expecting to see a fast, end-to-end game of football from the current Connacht and Munster champions. Both teams were fresh and had weeks to prepare for this battle.
On yesterday’s evidence, Galway used their time the wisest and looked tactically far superior to Kerry. Kerry have only played twice this summer but for long parts of yesterday’s game, they looked like they’ve only trained twice together. I was most looking forward to seeing two of the best and most talented full-forward lines in the championship on view. The Galway full-forward line delivered because they had a plan.
The plan, like all good plans, was simple. Keep your dangerous forwards inside and close to goal. Feed them good quality ball. Win the ball, take on the opposition and engineer a score or a scoring pass or a scorable free. Galway did this for the majority of the game.
The dangerous Galway inside forwards were Damien Comer and Ian Burke and the quality passes were provided by numerous assistants. Paul Conroy kicks a 25-yard pass into Comer, an offload to Burke who wins a 21-yard free. Shane Walsh converts. Gareth Bradshaw delivers a 30-metre pass into Comer on the ‘D’, Ian Burke on the loop and a simple point. Paul Conroy punts a free into Johnny Heaney who offloads to Eamon Brannigan and back into Paul Conroy on the edge of the ‘D’. Simple point for Conroy, who unfortunately for himself and Galway, looks set to miss the rest of the championship.
The tigerish Eoin Keirns intercepts a potent-looking Kerry attack. He offloads to Paul Conroy’s replacement, Peter Cooke. Cooke to Comer to Burke. A simple yet effective Galway score. Galway could have had another six points on the board by half-time as Michael Daly, Eamon Brannigan, and Damien Comer had two scorable shots each that didn’t register on the scoreboard. Contrast this with Kerry’s full-forward line. What was their plan?
Kerry too kept two men inside, but only some of the time. Paul Geaney and David Clifford were the designated duo. It wasn’t as productive as the Tribe’s plan for two reasons. Firstly, the quality and quantity of the ball was poor and secondly when Clifford or Geaney did receive the pass they were, more often than not, left isolated. Geaney cut a dejected figure. On several occasions in the first half, I could hear him shout verbals at his comrades due to the above reasons. Hear him? Yes, I could hear him from the Davin Stand as you could hear a pin drop in the first half, such was the subdued atmosphere. He eventually gave up on their plan and wandered out to the middle third where he met his full-forward buddy, James O’Donoghue. It looked as if James was given a free role to be a playmaker but not for the first time this year the outstanding Keirns put the playmaker in his box.
Keirns is what every defence requires. A no-nonsense and uncompromising corner-back who loves marking their marquee forward. He’s now in the Jonny Cooper, Philly McMahon, Neil Magee, Cathal McCarron bracket. He plays on the edge, gets a hand in always and doesn’t fear for his own safety. Is this risky? Absolutely. Is it worth it? Absolutely. The Galway supporters love him, the opposing supporters hate him. He can play football too. He won a vital kickout under the Hogan Stand with less than 10 minutes left. Galway were leading 10-9. It’s Galway’s ‘game management’ phase of the game. He moves it quickly to Ian Burke. The Galway transition game kicks into full throttle. The ball moves swiftly through the hands of the Tribe’s three redheads, namely Cooke, Sean Andy, and ‘shooter’ Adrian Varley. He kicks a glorious point from distance and doubles his tally minutes later with another well-executed game-management move and score.
Galway looked so composed and assured. No panic or rash decision-making. Ruairi Lavelle set the tempo with his excellent kick-outs. He knew where he wanted the ball to go every time. More importantly so did the Galway players.
In contrast, Shane Murphy looked confused with his kickout strategy. The Kerry defenders bunched in the middle and sprinted to the sidelines looking for a short restart. On a wet day in Croke Park with a skiddy surface, this was always going to be risky. And so it proved as he kicked several restarts over the sideline. When he went long over the top and into space it proved more fruitful for the Kerry midfielders. His confidence was undoubtedly shaken as his free-taking duties didn’t go to plan either.
I don’t ever remember a Kerry goalkeeper coming out to take scorable frees. Something strange in the Kingdom when they don’t trust an outfield player with free-taking responsibilities. When Kerry got another long distance free late on, Murphy didn’t budge off his line. Instead, the otherwise excellent Fossa starling David Clifford miscued and hit an ‘up and under’ towards the Hogan Stand. Galway intercept and Eamon Brannigan sets the magical Shane Walsh on a trademark lung-bursting solo. Shane Walsh faces Shane Murphy but he surprised everyone and pops the ball to unmarked Galway substitute, Patrick Sweeney. Sweeney too is surprised and he takes two bites of the cherry to land the knockout blow.
Speaking of blows, the Kerry defenders were trying to land knockout blows through the second half. Brian O’Beaglaoich couldn’t handle Ian Burke. Tom O’Sullivan was introduced to quieten the Galway wizard. The umpires were busy getting updates from Russia as they failed to notice the man-handling job O’Sullivan was executing. Finally, France beating Croatia comfortably, the umpires re-engaged. Just in time to catch Killian Young land a knockout blow to Burke but ultimately handing Galway the initiative.
Galway had an extra man in the league final three months ago. They failed to see that game out. They got a second chance yesterday in Croke Park but they didn’t fail a second time.
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Post by Mickmack on Jul 16, 2018 19:59:48 GMT
Kerry v Galway
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Post by jackiel on Jul 16, 2018 20:08:11 GMT
I am watching the recording of this match reluctantly at the moment. It seems that the expectations for this match were way beyond what it provided. It's actually worse watching with commentary than n The moment. The Super 8s have proved to be the "Mediocre 8s", Most of the weekend's fare was nothing approximating Super. Having been at all 4 match I don't believe that the team's involved wouldn't have been any different if playing the old system. I won't be in Clones for family reasons but will see you all in Killarney for the bank holiday weekend.
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Post by KY50 on Jul 16, 2018 21:27:25 GMT
We should get better games next Week - our game in Clones should be an improvement on Sunday and hopefully we can scrape through, will be very physical and tough. Tyrone and Dublin in Omagh - Tyrone will put it up to them and may force a win
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Post by piggott on Jul 17, 2018 13:32:33 GMT
Think we definitely got carried away with wins over Clare and Cork, as we did last year with wins over Cork and Galway. 7 Championship debutants is a lot and I cannot recall such an inexperienced team being successful initially. As I said previously most of the 1975 boys were blooded in 73 and 74. However it is hard to defend EF's decision making on the line. He just doesn't seem to be strategic at all and has no scenarios worked out in advance. Like other posters I would put out the same team against Monaghan, they will surely respond to last Sunday's diabolical display.
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Post by brosna11 on Jul 17, 2018 16:23:18 GMT
Would Shaun Keane have made a difference Sunday? He wouldn't be bullied off the pitch I'll tell you that for certain.
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Post by onlykerry on Jul 17, 2018 19:04:33 GMT
My gut reaction to Kerry's display on Sunday is best summed us as confused dissapointment. On reflection I remind myself that before our Munster campaign the hope was to get to the Super 8's so this new squad would benefit from competitive games with a hope for future success. The displays in Munster raised the level of expectation and we all began to expect as distinct to hoping. We need to re-set our exspectations and get behind the team and realise that there will be days like Sunday as we develop a new squad - the real test will come in CLones, has the lesson of Sunday been learnt and will the squad respond. With this in mind I would also expect minimal changes. Management continue to confound us with their conservatism and apparent lack of imagination - Killian starting such a big game with so little game time is puzzling and the slow response to events on the field as they unfolded is something we need to address. An experienced sideline should be better able to react and respond but this has not been a feature of EF's tenure. Let us hope the team are fast learners and this dissapointment is the low ebb of the season. Onwards and Upwards.
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Post by clarinman on Jul 17, 2018 19:47:35 GMT
Would Shaun Keane have made a difference Sunday? He wouldn't be bullied off the pitch I'll tell you that for certain. He's been injured and hasn't played for months.
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Post by southward on Jul 17, 2018 21:10:59 GMT
Would Shaun Keane have made a difference Sunday? He wouldn't be bullied off the pitch I'll tell you that for certain. He's been injured and hasn't played for months. Just like Killian Young so.
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Post by kerrygold on Jul 17, 2018 21:12:50 GMT
Was that Killian's first game in 12 months?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 17, 2018 21:16:02 GMT
He did come on against cork so yes.
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Post by kerrygold on Jul 17, 2018 21:25:41 GMT
Hasn't played club football either in over 12 months, big ask to come in at 6...................
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Post by Deleted on Jul 17, 2018 21:29:16 GMT
The sending off was disappointing but Killian was a long way from the worst Kerry player on Sunday
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Post by kerrygold on Jul 17, 2018 21:33:11 GMT
There wasn't much in it either, a busy umpire!
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Post by kerrygold on Jul 17, 2018 21:53:08 GMT
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Post by Mickmack on Jul 17, 2018 23:48:28 GMT
Shane Murphy was good from kickouts till Killian's red card.
Kerry didnt get possession from any of their own kickouts after that.
The red card was the decisive momentum shifter.
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Post by clarinman on Jul 18, 2018 7:59:54 GMT
Shane Murphy was good from kickouts till Killian's red card. Kerry didnt get possession from any of their own kickouts after that. The red card was the decisive momentum shifter. He kicked 3 out over the sideline before the red card.
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Jul 18, 2018 8:00:25 GMT
There wasn't much in it either, a busy umpire! It was as clear a red as you'd get. I'd hope more umpires pick up on such incidents.
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Post by Mickmack on Jul 18, 2018 8:01:29 GMT
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Post by Mickmack on Jul 18, 2018 8:04:53 GMT
Shane Murphy was good from kickouts till Killian's red card. Kerry didnt get possession from any of their own kickouts after that. The red card was the decisive momentum shifter. He kicked 3 out over the sideline before the red card. This happens even to Cluxton. I think Shane is a massive improvement in this department. Kerry may have got something out of the game with 15 men. Darragh really nails it today
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Post by Joxer on Jul 18, 2018 8:29:28 GMT
Agree completely MickMack...Darragh (for once!) nails it. Another good reason to start Kieran on Sunday and maybe Mark Griffin?
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Post by clarinman on Jul 18, 2018 8:31:46 GMT
He kicked 3 out over the sideline before the red card. This happens even to Cluxton. I think Shane is a massive improvement in this department. Kerry may have got something out of the game with 15 men. Darragh really nails it today When did you ever see Cluxton kick 3 out over the sideline in one game? The other 3 goalies on Sunday did not do it. Where is the massive improvement? I would say that the return on our own kickouts last Sunday was really poor and it's a system problem. When are management finally going to do something armour it?
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Post by kerrygold on Jul 18, 2018 8:38:56 GMT
There wasn't much in it either, a busy umpire! It was as clear a red as you'd get. I'd hope more umpires pick up on such incidents. In a crèche perhaps.
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Post by buck02 on Jul 18, 2018 8:43:55 GMT
To be fair to Shane Murphy, it was his first big game in Croke Park. Kerry were probably practising the kickout to the wing in Killarney over the last month and the ball wasnt zipping off the surface like it was in Croke Park on Sunday.
One of the ones that went over the sideline was a long one over the top in the first half to Stephen O Brien - it was very close to coming off and a goal was on if it had.
When the long kicks were either being won by Galway or the ref always catching a Kerry man in a group of 12 players doing the fouling, you can see why we werent going long to our midfielders much.
I still think there is room for improvement and that goes for the goalkeeper and the receivers.
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Post by glengael on Jul 18, 2018 9:17:58 GMT
I was expecting some credit for that headline seeing as how I've been saying that since oh, about 2010 or thereabouts...
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Post by inforthebreaks on Jul 18, 2018 9:42:21 GMT
this piece from Darragh Ó'Sé's article sums it all up perfectly for me....
Every team is led by the nose by certain players. Who was leading Kerry by the nose on Sunday? That can’t be David Clifford’s job yet. They can’t expect Seán O’Shea or Gavin White to be doing it. Kerry needed it from David Moran, Paul Murphy, Peter Crowley, Paul Geaney and James O’Donoghue. If they’re all anonymous, then the tactics are irrelevant.
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Post by Kingdomson on Jul 18, 2018 10:51:28 GMT
An absolutely brilliant piece by Darragh this week. It's such a shame that Eamonn is adamant that other people opinions don’t count (http://www.the42.ie/eamonn-fitzmaurice-kerry-criticism-3961325-Apr2018/) because certainly the Darragh Ó Sé article this week, is the one article he should be reading out to his squad and asking for a reaction on field. Who are the leaders? Who has guts for this? Not all criticism or comments are bad and a really effective leader knows when to listen not just ignore all voices. None of us know it all and people who think they do normally learn the hard way.
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