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Post by diego on Feb 18, 2018 19:29:16 GMT
Looked like a biteen of an eye gouge by the Monaghan number 4 on Paul Geaney.
Poor lad must have had a tough upbringing.
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Post by Deise Exile on Feb 18, 2018 19:29:17 GMT
The second half hugely encouraging. Had Brian passed when encroaching on goal we could have sneaked a draw. My conclusions after today are than BJK,Stephen o Brien, Shane murphy and Brendan O Sullivan are just not up to this level. My other conclusions are that Clifford, Shanahan, Begley, Jason Foley and O'Se are most certainly ready and just need plenty of game time. We really need Jameso, Moran and Jack Barry back. We are devoping a new team and for me its fierce exciting. I think some comments here that the management are clueless is lazy analysis. We are not the team we were back in 2009 and we don't have the experienced personnel we had then. Patience is the key here and us animals need to be patient and support the team
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Post by misteallaigh abú on Feb 18, 2018 19:36:20 GMT
Not long in the door from Inniskeen and it another of those away day performances where we shot ourselves in the foot. We were too conservative in our approach, paralysed with fear of making mistakes and that in itself led to uncharacteristic errors in our tackling and passing. It appeared to me that Kerry were still on the bus for much of the half, whereas a very organised, structured Monaghan made hay. It made for depressingly quiet first half from a kerry perspective, we didn't help our cause with silly pushes in the back, pick ups off the ground and poor communication. At one stage 2 of our men descended upon the Monaghan attacker and even though he was going nowhere, proceeded to give away another handy free. From where I was on the terrace, I thought the penalty that was given wasn't a penalty. I thought it was a great tackle by the keeper, however, I am looking forward to seeing it on Sunday Sport later on. Our kick outs cost us at least 4 scores. I know a lot of the blame will go to the keeper, however, we were wiped out around the middle for much of the first half. Monaghan were just too far ahead at half time and try as Paul Murphy, Peter Crowley,Mícheál Burns Seán O Shea and co might, the ball wasn't sticking inside and when we did get possession, we were stripped of the ball by tenacious, organised Monaghan tackling.
I thought Brendan O Sullivan and Andrew Barry were very much out of their depth in the first half. I would be prepared to give Andrew the benefit of the doubt, however, I thought he played with fear rather than confidence. Contrast that with Eanna O Conchuir who played with confidence and aggression and really put down a marker this afternoon. He wasn't afraid to give it a right go and this guy has a serious future, should he continue to progress.
In the second half we played with pace and purpose and succeeded in unlocking the Monaghan defence, on a number of occasions while it was their turn to be sloppy. We gained a foothold at midfield, centre back was shored up by Tom Sullivan? and Jason Foley made some great driving runs, reminiscent of Seamo in his day. Our forwards worked hard, Burns and O Brien worked tirelessly and Geaney was excellent too. Clifford was excellent after he settled, every time he got possession, the place was abuzz, however he tried too hard to start with but once he relaxed, he caused mayhem in the Monaghan defence. The boy can look after himself folks, Drew Wiley came over and tried to give him his version of welcome to Monaghan but Clifford was having none of it. This young man has it all. Just wait till he gets a wider pitch, a drier sod and a bit more experience.
The referee was dreadful, pernickety, inconsistent and seemed to have his own version of the rule book. I counted at least 4 clothes line tackles on kerry players and only 1 card. He made some harsh calls against Monaghan too. How long have people been saying that this man shouldn't be refereeing at inter county level? He is a very very poor referee. He didn't spot the dig in the stomach on Clifford,the linesman pointed it out (The little man from Meath with the back hair whose name escapes me!).
Lots of positives to take away from the game, in my opinion. We almost got something out of the game, in fairness, on our first half performance we didn't deserve an away win. However, I thought Foley, Shanahan, O Beaglaoich, O Conchúir, Burns, O Shea and Clifford showed today that the younger breed in Kerry is made of the right stuff. We will have an exceptional panel in the coming months/years. Paul Murphy was just class today and Geaney, Enright, O Brien really worked hard, especially in the second half.
If only we weren't so bloody conservative though....
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Post by misteallaigh abú on Feb 18, 2018 19:36:31 GMT
Not long in the door from Inniskeen and it another of those away day performances where we shot ourselves in the foot. We were too conservative in our approach, paralysed with fear of making mistakes and that in itself led to uncharacteristic errors in our tackling and passing. It appeared to me that Kerry were still on the bus for much of the half, whereas a very organised, structured Monaghan made hay. It made for depressingly quiet first half from a kerry perspective, we didn't help our cause with silly pushes in the back, pick ups off the ground and poor communication. At one stage 2 of our men descended upon the Monaghan attacker and even though he was going nowhere, proceeded to give away another handy free. From where I was on the terrace, I thought the penalty that was given wasn't a penalty. I thought it was a great tackle by the keeper, however, I am looking forward to seeing it on Sunday Sport later on. Our kick outs cost us at least 4 scores. I know a lot of the blame will go to the keeper, however, we were wiped out around the middle for much of the first half. Monaghan were just too far ahead at half time and try as Paul Murphy, Peter Crowley,Mícheál Burns Seán O Shea and co might, the ball wasn't sticking inside and when we did get possession, we were stripped of the ball by tenacious, organised Monaghan tackling.
I thought Brendan O Sullivan and Andrew Barry were very much out of their depth in the first half. I would be prepared to give Andrew the benefit of the doubt, however, I thought he played with fear rather than confidence. Contrast that with Eanna O Conchuir who played with confidence and aggression and really put down a marker this afternoon. He wasn't afraid to give it a right go and this guy has a serious future, should he continue to progress.
In the second half we played with pace and purpose and succeeded in unlocking the Monaghan defence, on a number of occasions while it was their turn to be sloppy. We gained a foothold at midfield, centre back was shored up by Tom Sullivan? and Jason Foley made some great driving runs, reminiscent of Seamo in his day. Our forwards worked hard, Burns and O Brien worked tirelessly and Geaney was excellent too. Clifford was excellent after he settled, every time he got possession, the place was abuzz, however he tried too hard to start with but once he relaxed, he caused mayhem in the Monaghan defence. The boy can look after himself folks, Drew Wiley came over and tried to give him his version of welcome to Monaghan but Clifford was having none of it. This young man has it all. Just wait till he gets a wider pitch, a drier sod and a bit more experience.
The referee was dreadful, pernickety, inconsistent and seemed to have his own version of the rule book. I counted at least 4 clothes line tackles on kerry players and only 1 card. He made some harsh calls against Monaghan too. How long have people been saying that this man shouldn't be refereeing at inter county level? He is a very very poor referee. He didn't spot the dig in the stomach on Clifford,the linesman pointed it out (The little man from Meath with the back hair whose name escapes me!).
Lots of positives to take away from the game, in my opinion. We almost got something out of the game, in fairness, on our first half performance we didn't deserve an away win. However, I thought Foley, Shanahan, O Beaglaoich, O Conchúir, Burns, O Shea and Clifford showed today that the younger breed in Kerry is made of the right stuff. We will have an exceptional panel in the coming months/years. Paul Murphy was just class today and Geaney, Enright, O Brien really worked hard, especially in the second half.
If only we weren't so bloody conservative though....
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Post by southward on Feb 18, 2018 19:59:47 GMT
How does the ref spot the pick-up by Shane and not see the deliberate studs to his Achilles at the same moment? Nasty one that, lucky he wasn't injured.
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Post by Mickmack on Feb 18, 2018 20:08:29 GMT
Fair play to Monaghan. That was exactly what was needed. Mayo were asleep for 40 minutes and were easily turned over. Monaghan were the ones in the zone today, very sharp and tenacious.
Virtually every Kerry player made an unforced error in the first half and a lot of scores were conceded as a result. Why such a collective malaise happened I have no idea
4 points after 3 games is about fair enough and the remaining games are going to tell us more but suffice to say that a lot of these young players are up for the battle and the challenge.
As good an all as DC is, he will have to hone is toe to hand as he will lose possession against top opposition as he did today due to the ball going too high off the toe.
Most refs would have given the penalty. The legs were taken from under the Monaghan player even if Murphy appeared to get a got a touch on the ball.
The pitches should be better for the remaining games and that should help.
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Post by gamechanger10 on Feb 18, 2018 20:08:36 GMT
Evander Holyfield once said “it’s not the size of a man but the size of his heart that matters” with this in mind I just want to salute our Braveheart Paul Murphy, he is all that any team regardless of their particular sport could hope for. Leadership is a unique quality and he has it dripping off him, we have a few leaders who are missing at the moment but they are in the autumn of their careers and it is comforting to know that we have a torch carrier like him for them to hand over the flame.
That fourth point was a screamer and well wide, also felt that the penalty decision was poor as it was a great steal by Murphy but in any gamy you are going to have good and bad calls but he got a few others wrong as well for both sides. The thing that I took from today was the fight that these young lads showed in the second half against all odds. They could and possibly should have come out with at least a point if not two. A game like this despite the result will really stand to this team going forward and the young lads got to smell the nostril flaring intensity of Senior Championship Football. All good and very welcome in my opinion, Monaghan are a real hard team and will test the skeletal structure like few others and our young lads will add to the memory bank tonight.
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Post by Deise Exile on Feb 18, 2018 20:15:43 GMT
Evander Holyfield once said “it’s not the size of a man but the size of his heart that matters” with this in mind I just want to salute our Braveheart Paul Murphy, he is all that any team regardless of their particular sport could hope for. Leadership is a unique quality and he has it dripping off him, we have a few leaders who are missing at the moment but they are in the autumn of their careers and it is comforting to know that we have a torch carrier like him for them to hand over the flame. That fourth point was a screamer and well wide, also felt that the penalty decision was poor as it was a great steal by Murphy but in any gamy you are going to have good and bad calls but he got a few others wrong as well for both sides. The thing that I took from today was the fight that these young lads showed in the second half against all odds. They could and possibly should have come out with at least a point if not two. A game like this despite the result will really stand to this team going forward and the young lads got to smell the nostril flaring intensity of Senior Championship Football. All good and very welcome in my opinion, Monaghan are a real hard team and will test the skeletal structure like few others and our young lads will add to the memory bank tonight. Great post
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Post by Deise Exile on Feb 18, 2018 20:20:34 GMT
Sean O Se is the real Deal
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Post by Ballyfireside on Feb 18, 2018 21:36:26 GMT
I think most is said above and it is as good a match analysis as I recall.
Monaghan are renowned in Ulster for boxing above their weight when playing within Ulster, often collapsing in Croker. Today was no exception and their intimate feel for Inniskeen might have tipped the balance on the day, and the weather would have made that even more significant, moreover against a younger squad, most of who never even saw this pitch before.
Today proved what a hard a job reffing is and though spectators may differ on individual incidents, to me he didn't even look like a ref. Has he played the game himself I wonder? Towards at the end I was beginning to get confused as to what and wasn't a free and he was also guilty of what I believe to be a gentleman's agreement among refs that there will be no Black Cards.
The big positive is that our pipeline is sorting itself out and this would have been a big physical test that we withstood pretty well - Drew Wiley wasn't as effective as normal and he is one of the biggest and toughest you will find. Foley was typical of those coming through, ready and able. No pressure Jason but there's talk you might be of the Seamus Moynihan cast and I know that the Ballydonoghue Ingredient will have you reach for the stars!
There is great promise now that those Markams have kicked in and the reservoir has been uncapped of a steady stream that will serve us well for the foreseeable future.
BTW from what I saw of Galway v Donegal in the flesh suggests next Sunday will be the stiffest test yet and that was only reinforced by the McKenna Cup final result. Galway are purposeful and determined to replace Mayo as the leaders in Connaught and to beat us is in this vein. Our team selection here will be most interesting and the blooding will stand to us against a robust Tribes outfit.
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Post by A.N. Other on Feb 18, 2018 21:41:21 GMT
Just home, that was a promising second half when we seemed down and out at half time. Really turned it around and there were some really good performances. We never really had much at midfield which is understandable with so many missing in that position, 4/5 lads? Eanna steadied the ship when he came on but it was a lapse in concenrated by him for Monaghans 2nd last score. Great to see so much heart in the second half in desperate conditions. We had two goal chances saved and 10+ wides. On another day we would have got one of the goals, different game then. Onwards and upwards, I think everyone would have taken 4 points from 6 with so many missing. There must still be 15-20 lads who weren't available today.
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Post by carthalawn on Feb 18, 2018 21:45:01 GMT
First 20 minuets were a shambles - Monaghan wreaked havoc in the middle third. Substitutions made a difference. Some our young guns didn’t shrink the responsibility - Foley and Shanahan were excellent - well able for the physical stuff, both growing in confidence. O’Shea played a key part when we were struggling. O Beaglaoich and O Conchúir impressed with their running games - the latter might be interesting in the half forward line? Burns put in a decent shift but faded a little. Murphy was colossal - Enright’s best game in a year. O’Brien worked hard and got on an amount of ball. Monaghan are a well drilled outfit - with sound defensive structure - the lads will have learned a lot from the game. Plenty of positives in difficult conditions - looking forward to seeing this team on a fast surface with a dry ball.
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Post by veteran on Feb 18, 2018 21:59:07 GMT
I saw the deferred coverage without knowing the result. Abysmal first half but a lot to be happy about,in the second half.
Wiped out at midfield until Eana's arrival. Hard to understand how Peter started at midfield instead of Eana considering he has been out of action for so long. I have always rated Eana highly and he seemed to make a significant contribution . I and others have often wondered why Brendan O'Sullivan has not got a extended run. After seeing him lately my conclusion is that he is an athlete rather than a footballer.
Roman Shanahan looked to,have had a whale of a game with Jason not far behind. No need to mention Paul. Murphy , we expect nothing less from him now. Andrew Barry looked to have had a bad dose of stage fright. Young Brian is one gutsy boy and with experience will not end up in cul de sacs as he sometimes does now.
Stephen O'Bien was one of our few threats in the first half. Seemed to fade later on. Michael Burns and Sean O'Shea continue to show a lot of promise. We seemed to,have great difficulty getting the ball to Paul Geaney. I presume he was well chaperoned. The Monaghan defender deservedly saw red for his eye gouging effort.
I was hugely impressed with young David once he got the hang of things. He was caught with that high solo but will quickly adjust to the pace and vigour of senior football. He is no softie either.
We were repeatedly got in thee second half when their goalie directsd the kick out to our right half forward position. I am not sure who was supposed to be marshalling that area.
Why didn't Daithi start? Shane Murphy seemed to have touched the ball for the penalty but it was a difficult one for the referee to see. I feared the worse when the red card was issued as regards soft frees for Monaghan thereafter. But then presumably Monaghan will say we got some soft ones too. I. must say there were some high tackles to,the face of Kerry players which he ignored , particularly immediately before half time when a Kerry player was going through. He simply blew tha half time whistle.
All in all, some very encouraging displays from our younger brethren , particularly away from home in conditions not suitable for young lads.
Finally, thanks to all who made the trip and went to the trouble of posting their thoughts here. Much appreciated.
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Post by wayupnorth on Feb 18, 2018 22:29:43 GMT
A better performance in the second half following a lacklustre first is probably better than the other way around. The difference between defeat and victory was the penalty. I was very close to that action and I thought it wasn't a penalty but could understand completely why the referee thought it so. A matter of both players slipping going for the same ball. There was a lot of slipping throughout the match and it took minimal contact to knock someone over. I didn't get to see a lot of the match (more of which later) so I don't know how many such incidents related in scorable frees. A dirty day (but not a dirty match) throughout on a pitch that had been churned up by a hurling match beforehand. Now that's no excuse for losing as these conditions fall evenly on both teams but perhaps they were conditions that better suited the more experienced Monaghan team. Perhaps we were a bit more cautious in the beginning. This was the perfect scenario where injuries could be sustained and fortunately we came out unscathed. The last time we visited this venue we lost David Moran for the best part of a year.
About the venue: Can Monaghan GAA please learn from today and never use this venue again for Division One League fixtures? The League is getting more popular each year and small venues like this are no longer suitable. It is a huge tribute to both sets of supporters that so many were prepared to travel but the venue was full to bursting. The tiny stand was completely full an hour and a half before throw in and parking was chaotic. Gardai and stewards performed magnificently, given the circumstances but it was unfair to put them in that position. By the time I got there I was able to squeeze against the sideline fence with a clear view of only half the field. There was only one scoreboard so I had to wait until half time to confirm how far we were behind. Now that's just me whinging about my personal woes but I wasn't the only one. When would we entertain our visitors in anywhere other than Fitzgerald Stadium or Austin Stacks?
To finish on a positive note I remain very impressed with these youngsters. Once again the never gave up and could even have pulled it off but a six point deficit at half time was just too much on a day like today. Ar aghaidh leis an Riocht!
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Post by A.N. Other on Feb 18, 2018 22:38:59 GMT
wayupnorth the hurling game was played on the other field on the grounds. The football was played on a different pitch. I agree with what you say about the venue. Too small, parking was desperate and access was pretty tough.
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Post by wayupnorth on Feb 18, 2018 22:51:58 GMT
Thanks for the clarification ano. It was over when I arrived so I made an incorrect assumption.
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Post by MeathExile on Feb 18, 2018 23:13:18 GMT
After having to stop after reversing out of the drive last Sunday with the cancellation news, it was nice to get to see the match finally today, albeit in desperate conditions - never stopped drizzling all the way through.
Inniskeen - superb pitch for this time of year - they have some set-up there. Pitch was in almost perfect condition, even after holding the marathon Sigerson semi last Wednesday.
Team news - disappointed that Daithi was dropped after not even playing last week - this guy needs a break. He looked the apart when he got a few touches after coming on.
We finally woke up after 10 minutes but the damage was already done - Monaghan did to us wheat we normally do with fast starts. Every one of the Kerry guys tried their hearts out - even those who played poorly as mentioned above. We fell down in 2 main areas I thought...
First was how we tried to break down the Monagaghan defence, particularly in first half - every time we got the ball to midfield the first option was always to maintain possession ie. hand pass it sideways. This had 2 effects - allowed the Monaghan lads to funnel back en-masse, and forced our inside forwards to come out looking for it. Net result - continuous criss-crossing of the pitch at the 50 yard line, with nobody inside to kick it to. I don't know how many times we had none or just 1 forward within 30 yards of their goal, while we played keep ball out at the fifty. The only way we got to attack was when Begley, Crowley, and Murphy took it on themselves to force themselves through the tackles.
Secondly - for the Monaghan kickouts their wing backs and wing forwards all gathered in the middle line of the pitch - their goalie kicked to the wings into space, and inevitably the Monaghan wing backs/forwards were first to react to win the ball near the wing. It was well into the second half before our lads started to make the run before/the same time as the Monaghan lad.
These 2 problems were obvious to me on the bottom step of the terrace - wondering how our line did not see these, and more especially the 2 lads in the stand. If they did see it ,did they communicate it down to the line. I don't see any comm. devices being used by Eamonn on the line, but have not seen the TG4 coverage yet to verify. Regardless, these 2 problems cost us big-time today. I hope our selectors learned something re kick-out tactics from this - we could use it ourselves a few times in each game.
Second half was very encouraging - great spirit shown by all, and very impressed with all of the young lads. Shanahan, Foley, Begley, Tom O S, Eanna, Burns, Clifford, O Shea are all excellent footballers and teak-tough. This was a great introduction to tough Northern football and massed defences for these lads. Could stand to us come July....
We have a bright future - just hope we don't revert into our conservative safety shell like last year for the first championship selection.
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Post by decondd2 on Feb 19, 2018 7:29:54 GMT
In relation to the kickouts Rory Beggan just played it really well IMO.
We were marking tightly but he picked out pace mismatches and kicked into space. When we covered behind, he kicked the ball shorter in front of the player.
It's the issue we have marking man to man on kickouts.
Dublin often use a zone defence on kickouts. It leaves the short kickout option open but they put mighty pressure on the man with the ball.
Monaghan's 12th point was a peach. They foiled our attack and under severe pressure worked a clever exit. They burst down the full length of the field and kicked a crucial point. They never looked panicked at all. Rory Beggan' distribution was by in large excellent.
A lot of learning opportunities from that game to be sure.
On Shanahan and Foley. By in large they looked good, but have a terrible habit of lunging in for a ball they have no right to win. When they get a hand to it, they look brilliant but on a couple of occasions they were left looking foolish by an experienced Monaghan full forward line.
Just for clarification veteran, the red card wasn't for an eye gouge. It was for a punch to David Cliffords gut. Not sure it was all that bad but Clifford made sure to go down and Geaney was straight in to protect him. Wylie then had a go at Clifford as he was getting off the ground.
2 great legal hits went in yesterday. Sean O'Shea hit the Monaghan CHB a real good shoulder leaving him winded. Peter Crowley in posession left Wylie on his arse as well.
Our tackling is still abysmal near the goals. We give far too many frees away.
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Post by royalkerryfan on Feb 19, 2018 7:46:59 GMT
In relation to the kickouts Rory Beggan just played it really well IMO. We were marking tightly but he picked out pace mismatches and kicked into space. When we covered behind, he kicked the ball shorter in front of the player. It's the issue we have marking man to man on kickouts. Dublin often use a zone defence on kickouts. It leaves the short kickout option open but they put mighty pressure on the man with the ball. Monaghan's 12th point was a peach. They foiled our attack and under severe pressure worked a clever exit. They burst down the full length of the field and kicked a crucial point. They never looked panicked at all. Rory Beggan' distribution was by in large excellent. A lot of learning opportunities from that game to be sure. On Shanahan and Foley. By in large they looked good, but have a terrible habit of lunging in for a ball they have no right to win. When they get a hand to it, they look brilliant but on a couple of occasions they were left looking foolish by an experienced Monaghan full forward line. Just for clarification veteran, the red card wasn't for an eye gouge. It was for a punch to David Cliffords gut. Not sure it was all that bad but Clifford made sure to go down and Geaney was straight in to protect him. Wylie then had a go at Clifford as he was getting off the ground. 2 great legal hits went in yesterday. Sean O'Shea hit the Monaghan CHB a real good shoulder leaving him winded. Peter Crowley in posession left Wylie on his arse as well. Our tackling is still abysmal near the goals. We give far too many frees away. On that Clifford was punched in the face I was directly opposite it.
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Post by Joxer on Feb 19, 2018 8:48:29 GMT
Long trip to Inniskeane but came away happy enough based on our second half performance. David Clifford showed a lot to be hopeful about with the summer ahead. I've never been a fan of Eanna O'Conchur but after what I would regard as a typical enough selfish start he grew into the game and played a team game. He did enough in my opinion at least to earn a start. Jack Savage on the other hand did nothing to suggest he will be a starter come championship...sideways and backwards are his default movements it appears and until that changes, I can't see him adding much. Sean O'Shea continues to impress greatly and is ideally suited to lead the attack from centre forward. Hopefully, that upward trend continues. I thought Stephen O'Brien along with Michael Burns worked extremely hard yesterday and that half-forward line would definitely be my half forward line for next Sunday, and on the evidence so far, for the championship. Paul Geaney was well policed yesterday and didn't have his usual influence but himself and David Clifford will surely start next Sunday. It may be that Eanna O'Conchur slots in at Full Forward or in the left corner next Sunday. Jack Barry and Barry O'Sullivan were certainly missed yesterday. Brendan O'Sullivan did himself no favours and difficult enough to see him get a start again anytime soon.
I'd put Peter Crowley in centre-back for next Sunday, with the as usual very impressive Paul Murphy to his right and after a great second half yesterday, Brian O'Beaglaoich to his left. I thought the full-back line was very solid yesterday and should be kept together again next Sunday. Jason Foley is very clearly growing into the role and his two corner backs both impressed I thought.
We still haven't figured out anything approaching a kick-out strategy. Andrew Barry was poor yesterday but he did make himself available for kick-outs regularly and was equally regularly ignored. This is surely an area that is long overdue a 'fix'. Monaghan have it worked out very well I thought but it seems beyond us currently. I do think Shane Murphy is an excellent goalkeeper but he needs support in getting the kick-out situation resolved.
All-in-all, not the worst day at the office. The first half was poor without doubt but great fight and a lot of skill shown for the second half that allowed many of us to leave with a spring in our step despite the awful weather etc.
Anther inconsistent and poor performance from the man with the whistle. Equally poor for both sides is the best you could say.
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Post by clarinman on Feb 19, 2018 9:41:14 GMT
Long trip to Inniskeane but came away happy enough based on our second half performance. David Clifford showed a lot to be hopeful about with the summer ahead. I've never been a fan of Eanna O'Conchur but after what I would regard as a typical enough selfish start he grew into the game and played a team game. He did enough in my opinion at least to earn a start. Jack Savage on the other hand did nothing to suggest he will be a starter come championship...sideways and backwards are his default movements it appears and until that changes, I can't see him adding much. Sean O'Shea continues to impress greatly and is ideally suited to lead the attack from centre forward. Hopefully, that upward trend continues. I thought Stephen O'Brien along with Michael Burns worked extremely hard yesterday and that half-forward line would definitely be my half forward line for next Sunday, and on the evidence so far, for the championship. Paul Geaney was well policed yesterday and didn't have his usual influence but himself and David Clifford will surely start next Sunday. It may be that Eanna O'Conchur slots in at Full Forward or in the left corner next Sunday. Jack Barry and Barry O'Sullivan were certainly missed yesterday. Brendan O'Sullivan did himself no favours and difficult enough to see him get a start again anytime soon. I'd put Peter Crowley in centre-back for next Sunday, with the as usual very impressive Paul Murphy to his right and after a great second half yesterday, Brian O'Beaglaoich to his left. I thought the full-back line was very solid yesterday and should be kept together again next Sunday. Jason Foley is very clearly growing into the role and his two corner backs both impressed I thought. We still haven't figured out anything approaching a kick-out strategy. Andrew Barry was poor yesterday but he did make himself available for kick-outs regularly and was equally regularly ignored. This is surely an area that is long overdue a 'fix'. Monaghan have it worked out very well I thought but it seems beyond us currently. I do think Shane Murphy is an excellent goalkeeper but he needs support in getting the kick-out situation resolved. All-in-all, not the worst day at the office. The first half was poor without doubt but great fight and a lot of skill shown for the second half that allowed many of us to leave with a spring in our step despite the awful weather etc. Anther inconsistent and poor performance from the man with the whistle. Equally poor for both sides is the best you could say. Gavin Crowley will be back after suspension. Would be hard to leave him out after his performance against Mayo. I think you might see Peter Crowley on the bench as he is not at full fitness yet.
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Post by Jigz84 on Feb 19, 2018 9:54:52 GMT
Just a couple of thoughts:
I'm not yet convinced by Shane Murphy. Brendan O'Sullivan tries hard but just isn't Senior Inter-County standard. Éanna Ó Conchúir would be a great mobile option around the middle when required. After giving that penalty against Murphy then by rights Ó Beaglaoich should have earned a penalty as well.
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Post by kerryexile on Feb 19, 2018 10:18:28 GMT
As I watched the first half I thought there was nothing in the legs, they must have had a week of heavy training. In fairness to Eamonn he probably had it scheduled as a week where there wasn’t a game and after the postponement he decided to stick to the schedule anyway. I think this had a much bigger effect on the first half than the poor performance at midfield – even when the ball went past midfield there was no energy. The overworked muscles do loosen out after a while and this explains the second half but there was too much of a deficit.
I think far too much of what happens on the pitch is attributed to a decision of management. There are a lot of young players who could run games at underage level but now find that what worked for them then is harder to implement at senior level and they are often forced into an option where fluency of the team is affected. They will learn.
Many of the young players did themselves proud yesterday but a special word must go Shanahan. He has the makings of a great defender, His reading of the ball, knowing when to invade the space of the forward, when to shadow him and work rate are excellent.
I can’t understand why Barry John Keane is still being selected. He couldn’t command a starting place over the past 4 or 5 years. Now there is a conveyer belt of young hungry players that will make the team much better and suddenly BJK is starting. Maybe it is because there are so many forwards unavailable and the young players need a few experienced hands in there but it is slightly worrying.
No one is mentioning the return of Kieran Donaghy and it is debateable if he will get a starting place but I think Clifford would be much more protected if Donaghy were on the pitch. With so many young players it is open season against Ulster counties.
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Post by kerrygold on Feb 19, 2018 10:25:15 GMT
A very positive league to date. Four points from six is huge given the amount of new players toggling out. Places like Inniskeen are very difficult places to go to. Tomas mentioned a while back about getting five new champion players as being a huge bonus. Kerry will get 8-10 new players from this league that will contribute during the summer. Beat Galway & Kildare at home and Kerry will be going to Tyrone for a league semi final. Only once has 10 points in a top two scenario failed to qualify for a league final. That was a one point scoring difference to a late free.
I agree with Joxer re the kick out strategy. I've seen no evidence of one over the past number of seasons. I just don't understand the goal keeping situation in Kerry at the moment. The lack of the restart strategy and the loss of Kealy & Ryan. This will be highly detrimental come August if not sorted.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2018 10:42:17 GMT
As I watched the first half I thought there was nothing in the legs, they must have had a week of heavy training. In fairness to Eamonn he probably had it scheduled as a week where there wasn’t a game and after the postponement he decided to stick to the schedule anyway. I think this had a much bigger effect on the first half than the poor performance at midfield – even when the ball went past midfield there was no energy. The overworked muscles do loosen out after a while and this explains the second half but there was too much of a deficit. I think far too much of what happens on the pitch is attributed to a decision of management. There are a lot of young players who could run games at underage level but now find that what worked for them then is harder to implement at senior level and they are often forced into an option where fluency of the team is affected. They will learn. Many of the young players did themselves proud yesterday but a special word must go Shanahan. He has the makings of a great defender, His reading of the ball, knowing when to invade the space of the forward, when to shadow him and work rate are excellent. I can’t understand why Barry John Keane is still being selected. He couldn’t command a starting place over the past 4 or 5 years. Now there is a conveyer belt of young hungry players that will make the team much better and suddenly BJK is starting. Maybe it is because there are so many forwards unavailable and the young players need a few experienced hands in there but it is slightly worrying. No one is mentioning the return of Kieran Donaghy and it is debateable if he will get a starting place but I think Clifford would be much more protected if Donaghy were on the pitch. With so many young players it is open season against Ulster counties. A very valid point regarding BJK made all the worse by dropping Daithi Casey a few minutes before throw in. Daithi has only played around 40mins so far in the league, any time he has played he has done well in a short space of time. He deserves his chance on Sunday against Galway.
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Post by dc84 on Feb 19, 2018 11:14:44 GMT
TBF To bjk he has scored decently 2-3 points evergame would still see him as having a impact sub role in the summer. Agree totally on daithi casey brings a lot of composure and game management vital with do many newbees
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Post by onlykerry on Feb 19, 2018 11:40:36 GMT
BJK is a regular contributor to the score board and is normally good for 2-3 points per game - strangely this is a threshold he rarely gets beyond. His role is unlikely to go beyond impact sub come Championship and I think his contribution is often undervalued by commentors on this forum. There are other forwards who contribute far less but seem to have a fan base that I find it difficult to understand.
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Post by Attacking Wing Back on Feb 19, 2018 12:13:59 GMT
A bit of a curates egg of a game. Some silly frees given away by Kerry all day. One bugbear, on the bog of a pitch (due to weather) what did we insist on playing the little dink balls that hop in front of the forward most of the time? Its fine on a dry sod as it gives the attacker the advantage but yesterday was just getting stuck in the turf.
Great to see Clifford hit the corner back a slap coming out after he scored his point. He won't take any sh*t which is great to see in a young fella.
We reverted to to just all massing around our own 45 for our defensive strategy too yesterday for a period in the first half. Brendan O'Sullivan deserves another chance. Lots of lads could have been hooked early yesterday before we settled. Whether or not he takes it is a different story.
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Post by Mickmack on Feb 19, 2018 12:20:17 GMT
After having to stop after reversing out of the drive last Sunday with the cancellation news, it was nice to get to see the match finally today, albeit in desperate conditions - never stopped drizzling all the way through. Inniskeen - superb pitch for this time of year - they have some set-up there. Pitch was in almost perfect condition, even after holding the marathon Sigerson semi last Wednesday. Team news - disappointed that Daithi was dropped after not even playing last week - this guy needs a break. He looked the apart when he got a few touches after coming on. We finally woke up after 10 minutes but the damage was already done - Monaghan did to us wheat we normally do with fast starts. Every one of the Kerry guys tried their hearts out - even those who played poorly as mentioned above. We fell down in 2 main areas I thought... First was how we tried to break down the Monagaghan defence, particularly in first half - every time we got the ball to midfield the first option was always to maintain possession ie. hand pass it sideways. This had 2 effects - allowed the Monaghan lads to funnel back en-masse, and forced our inside forwards to come out looking for it. Net result - continuous criss-crossing of the pitch at the 50 yard line, with nobody inside to kick it to. I don't know how many times we had none or just 1 forward within 30 yards of their goal, while we played keep ball out at the fifty. The only way we got to attack was when Begley, Crowley, and Murphy took it on themselves to force themselves through the tackles. Secondly - for the Monaghan kickouts their wing backs and wing forwards all gathered in the middle line of the pitch - their goalie kicked to the wings into space, and inevitably the Monaghan wing backs/forwards were first to react to win the ball near the wing. It was well into the second half before our lads started to make the run before/the same time as the Monaghan lad. These 2 problems were obvious to me on the bottom step of the terrace - wondering how our line did not see these, and more especially the 2 lads in the stand. If they did see it ,did they communicate it down to the line. I don't see any comm. devices being used by Eamonn on the line, but have not seen the TG4 coverage yet to verify. Regardless, these 2 problems cost us big-time today. I hope our selectors learned something re kick-out tactics from this - we could use it ourselves a few times in each game. Second half was very encouraging - great spirit shown by all, and very impressed with all of the young lads. Shanahan, Foley, Begley, Tom O S, Eanna, Burns, Clifford, O Shea are all excellent footballers and teak-tough. This was a great introduction to tough Northern football and massed defences for these lads. Could stand to us come July.... We have a bright future - just hope we don't revert into our conservative safety shell like last year for the first championship selection. You point about Monaghans kick out strategy is valid and its where Kerry need to get to but Monaghans keeper is around a while and top class. Hopefully by the middle of august Kerry will have a settled back 7 and a finely honed kick out strategy. If they dont its curtains. If they do, anything is possible.
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Post by veteran on Feb 19, 2018 12:22:07 GMT
Decond did 2,
I presume you are right about why the Monaghan player got the red, for striking David Clifford. In that case he got good value for his red because he attempted to eye gouge Paul Geaney as well in the same incident.
About BJK, he is certainly an enigma. As people say he usually chips in with an average of two points per game. Why then does he infuriate so many supporters , me included.? It maybe that he tries impossible scoring efforts at times. It maybe that he is so often stripped of the ball when he goes into contact. It maybe that he so often bottled up and concedes a free as a consequence. However, because of his frequent scoring I can understand his fans being annoyed at the constant carpimg by some people. I will say this . I would have him on the panel /team any day before for instance Mikey Geaney. It is a bit unfair to be too critical of any player but the Forum is about giving our opinions. Mine is that , with the influx of new young players, I cannot understand why the likes of Mikey is still on the panel. My worry, as the year progresses, is that we will see a recycleing of some players who have been given several chances without cutting the mustard.
Roman Shanahan has been rightly praised for his displays so far this year. He did something similar last year but we did not see him in the championship. Why? I have been reflecting on that and I throw this out . Could it be , as they say in racing circles, that he is a winter horse? Posters who know more about him might comment on that suggestion. Of course it maybe that he was unavailable last summer due to injury. I do not know.
Brian O' Beaglaigh is certainly a warrior taking the game to the opposition. As an underage player I thought he was also,a very tight defender. Do people on here who have seen a lot more of him than I think he is a satisfactory defender of senior intercounty standard.?
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