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Post by dc84 on Feb 19, 2018 12:36:43 GMT
Its tough on young murphy to be fair first year as a Gk in and a very unsettled middle 8. When he has a better range of options.ie proper fielders Barry and Moran to aim at we will see his true worth.
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Post by peanuts on Feb 19, 2018 13:47:25 GMT
Decond did 2, I presume you are right about why the Monaghan player got the red, for striking David Clifford. In that case he got good value for his red because he attempted to eye gouge Paul Geaney as well in the same incident. About BJK, he is certainly an enigma. As people say he usually chips in with an average of two points per game. Why then does he infuriate so many supporters , me included.? It maybe that he tries impossible scoring efforts at times. It maybe that he is so often stripped of the ball when he goes into contact. It maybe that he so often bottled up and concedes a free as a consequence. However, because of his frequent scoring I can understand his fans being annoyed at the constant carpimg by some people. I will say this . I would have him on the panel /team any day before for instance Mikey Geaney. It is a bit unfair to be too critical of any player but the Forum is about giving our opinions. Mine is that , with the influx of new young players, I cannot understand why the likes of Mikey is still on the panel. My worry, as the year progresses, is that we will see a recycleing of some players who have been given several chances without cutting the mustard. Roman Shanahan has been rightly praised for his displays so far this year. He did something similar last year but we did not see him in the championship. Why? I have been reflecting on that and I throw this out . Could it be , as they say in racing circles, that he is a winter horse? Posters who know more about him might comment on that suggestion. Of course it maybe that he was unavailable last summer due to injury. I do not know. Brian O' Beaglaigh is certainly a warrior taking the game to the opposition. As an underage player I thought he was also,a very tight defender. Do people on here who have seen a lot more of him than I think he is a satisfactory defender of senior intercounty standard.? Comparing Mikey Geaney to BJK is apples and oranges really. EF uses M. Geaney as a defensive 1/2 forward mostly with defence as the primary objective before scoring whereas BJK is there to score. I don't think either of them will be starting in any event this year. With regards to Brian O'Beaglaoich he seems to be better going forward than as a man marking defender, although he would not be alone in that regard. An Ghaeltacht used him to good effect in the second half against Moy as a half forward which is a role he could potentially play with Kerry.
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Post by Premier on Feb 19, 2018 15:43:25 GMT
Decond did 2, I presume you are right about why the Monaghan player got the red, for striking David Clifford. In that case he got good value for his red because he attempted to eye gouge Paul Geaney as well in the same incident. About BJK, he is certainly an enigma. As people say he usually chips in with an average of two points per game. Why then does he infuriate so many supporters , me included.? It maybe that he tries impossible scoring efforts at times. It maybe that he is so often stripped of the ball when he goes into contact. It maybe that he so often bottled up and concedes a free as a consequence. However, because of his frequent scoring I can understand his fans being annoyed at the constant carpimg by some people. I will say this . I would have him on the panel /team any day before for instance Mikey Geaney. It is a bit unfair to be too critical of any player but the Forum is about giving our opinions. Mine is that , with the influx of new young players, I cannot understand why the likes of Mikey is still on the panel. My worry, as the year progresses, is that we will see a recycleing of some players who have been given several chances without cutting the mustard. Roman Shanahan has been rightly praised for his displays so far this year. He did something similar last year but we did not see him in the championship. Why? I have been reflecting on that and I throw this out . Could it be , as they say in racing circles, that he is a winter horse? Posters who know more about him might comment on that suggestion. Of course it maybe that he was unavailable last summer due to injury. I do not know. Brian O' Beaglaigh is certainly a warrior taking the game to the opposition. As an underage player I thought he was also,a very tight defender. Do people on here who have seen a lot more of him than I think he is a satisfactory defender of senior intercounty standard.? With regard to Ronan Shanahan, it was heard that his form fell off a cliff after the league and struggled to make an impression in training. I feel this is an area a lot of people forget about, that there is 2 months between end of the league and the start of the championship and players can play themselves on and off the team in this stage. Many people feel if you play well in the league you should be guaranteed a championship spot. If that was the case you might as well throw the hat at training for 2 months. Management have to say the team will be picked on form in order to push standards in training, and subsequently the team gets picked from there.
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Post by kerrygold on Feb 19, 2018 15:56:55 GMT
The April (fool) window may have a greater impact on this retention of form this year between league and championship!
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Post by Mickmack on Feb 19, 2018 16:39:08 GMT
Peter Crowleys yellow card was very foolish yesterday. A free out to Kerry and the Monaghan man holds onto the ball and invites a kerryman to wrestle him. Crowley obliges. His two yellows v Mayo last year didnt teach him anything.
And while i am at it, i would prefer DC to not be mouthing off to his man after scoring. He is the golden boy now and refs will give him handy frees as long as he retains the cool clean hero image. I remember Donaghy mouthing at the armagh keeper in 2006 after the goal in the semi final. Donaghy had to be fouled three times before he got a free not too long afterwards.
Be cute. Manage the ref!
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Post by royalkerryfan on Feb 19, 2018 18:24:13 GMT
Peter Crowleys yellow card was very foolish yesterday. A free out to Kerry and the Monaghan man holds onto the ball and invites a kerryman to wrestle him. Crowley obliges. His two yellows v Mayo last year didnt teach him anything. And while i am at it, i would prefer DC to not be mouthing off to his man after scoring. He is the golden boy now and refs will give him handy frees as long as he retains the cool clean hero image. I remember Donaghy mouthing at the armagh keeper in 2006 after the goal in the semi final. Donaghy had to be fouled three times before he got a free not too long afterwards. Be cute. Manage the ref! Mick hold on now the lad was getting dogs abuse I heard it. He was punched below the belt and in the face. Fair play to him the ref was giving him no protection at all and the umpires standing their watching it.
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Post by southward on Feb 19, 2018 18:54:02 GMT
Peter Crowleys yellow card was very foolish yesterday. A free out to Kerry and the Monaghan man holds onto the ball and invites a kerryman to wrestle him. Crowley obliges. His two yellows v Mayo last year didnt teach him anything.And while i am at it, i would prefer DC to not be mouthing off to his man after scoring. He is the golden boy now and refs will give him handy frees as long as he retains the cool clean hero image. I remember Donaghy mouthing at the armagh keeper in 2006 after the goal in the semi final. Donaghy had to be fouled three times before he got a free not too long afterwards. Be cute. Manage the ref! True, but on the other hand, most refs would have just brought the free forward in that situation. Agree re DC. The optics aren't great.
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Post by southward on Feb 19, 2018 19:06:58 GMT
BJK is a regular contributor to the score board and is normally good for 2-3 points per game - strangely this is a threshold he rarely gets beyond. His role is unlikely to go beyond impact sub come Championship and I think his contribution is often undervalued by commentors on this forum. There are other forwards who contribute far less but seem to have a fan base that I find it difficult to understand. Totally agree. I just don't get the perennial sniping at BJK. The guy contributes every single time he appears for Kerry, whether starting or not. 0-3, 0-3 and 0-2 from play so far this year; nothing wrong with that. Works like a dog too. Laid on the goal for Crowley the last day. Someone was complaining about him this time last year after he'd scored 1-3 from play coming off the bench. ffs, give the guy a break.
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Post by Corner Back on Feb 19, 2018 19:17:23 GMT
Decond did 2, I presume you are right about why the Monaghan player got the red, for striking David Clifford. In that case he got good value for his red because he attempted to eye gouge Paul Geaney as well in the same incident. About BJK, he is certainly an enigma. As people say he usually chips in with an average of two points per game. Why then does he infuriate so many supporters , me included.? It maybe that he tries impossible scoring efforts at times. It maybe that he is so often stripped of the ball when he goes into contact. It maybe that he so often bottled up and concedes a free as a consequence. However, because of his frequent scoring I can understand his fans being annoyed at the constant carpimg by some people. I will say this . I would have him on the panel /team any day before for instance Mikey Geaney. It is a bit unfair to be too critical of any player but the Forum is about giving our opinions. Mine is that , with the influx of new young players, I cannot understand why the likes of Mikey is still on the panel. My worry, as the year progresses, is that we will see a recycleing of some players who have been given several chances without cutting the mustard. Roman Shanahan has been rightly praised for his displays so far this year. He did something similar last year but we did not see him in the championship. Why? I have been reflecting on that and I throw this out . Could it be , as they say in racing circles, that he is a winter horse? Posters who know more about him might comment on that suggestion. Of course it maybe that he was unavailable last summer due to injury. I do not know. Brian O' Beaglaigh is certainly a warrior taking the game to the opposition. As an underage player I thought he was also,a very tight defender. Do people on here who have seen a lot more of him than I think he is a satisfactory defender of senior intercounty standard.? With regard to Ronan Shanahan, it was heard that his form fell off a cliff after the league and struggled to make an impression in training. I feel this is an area a lot of people forget about, that there is 2 months between end of the league and the start of the championship and players can play themselves on and off the team in this stage. Many people feel if you play well in the league you should be guaranteed a championship spot. If that was the case you might as well throw the hat at training for 2 months. Management have to say the team will be picked on form in order to push standards in training, and subsequently the team gets picked from there. His form certainly fell off a cliff. He had a very poor first half in County Championship (V St. Kierans) before going off injured. He was not seen for the rest of the year.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2018 20:11:19 GMT
BJK is a regular contributor to the score board and is normally good for 2-3 points per game - strangely this is a threshold he rarely gets beyond. His role is unlikely to go beyond impact sub come Championship and I think his contribution is often undervalued by commentors on this forum. There are other forwards who contribute far less but seem to have a fan base that I find it difficult to understand. Totally agree. I just don't get the perennial sniping at BJK. The guy contributes every single time he appears for Kerry, whether starting or not. 0-3, 0-3 and 0-2 from play so far this year; nothing wrong with that. Works like a dog too. Laid on the goal for Crowley the last day. Someone was complaining about him this time last year after he'd scored 1-3 from play coming off the bench. ffs, give the guy a break. Agreed, he may not start but is guaranteed game time this summer. He is a proven impact player. Kerrys defeats the last few years have very little to do with him. I have a lot of time for the guy.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2018 20:14:55 GMT
Peter Crowleys yellow card was very foolish yesterday. A free out to Kerry and the Monaghan man holds onto the ball and invites a kerryman to wrestle him. Crowley obliges. His two yellows v Mayo last year didnt teach him anything. And while i am at it, i would prefer DC to not be mouthing off to his man after scoring. He is the golden boy now and refs will give him handy frees as long as he retains the cool clean hero image. I remember Donaghy mouthing at the armagh keeper in 2006 after the goal in the semi final. Donaghy had to be fouled three times before he got a free not too long afterwards. Be cute. Manage the ref! Mick hold on now the lad was getting dogs abuse I heard it. He was punched below the belt and in the face. Fair play to him the ref was giving him no protection at all and the umpires standing their watching it. Clifford is no innocent here. He is a bigger & more physical player than most and is happy to throw his weight around. I have no issue with that but he will lose the golden boy tag soon enough with neutrals I reckon
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Post by givehimaball on Feb 19, 2018 20:33:27 GMT
Some stats from yesterday From Sean Murphy @gaastatsman on Twitter
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Post by royalkerryfan on Feb 19, 2018 20:34:02 GMT
Mick hold on now the lad was getting dogs abuse I heard it. He was punched below the belt and in the face. Fair play to him the ref was giving him no protection at all and the umpires standing their watching it. Clifford is no innocent here. He is a bigger & more physical player than most and is happy to throw his weight around. I have no issue with that but he will lose the golden boy tag soon enough with neutrals I reckon Who cares what the neutrals think, David is still a kid and some hard boys want to lay down a marker with him, our lads need to protect him. Just because of his size those not mean it's easy for him to take that punishment.
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Post by Mickmack on Feb 19, 2018 21:56:32 GMT
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Post by Mickmack on Feb 19, 2018 22:30:31 GMT
Malachy Clerkin
Monaghan 1-13 Kerry 0-14
On days like this, hardly anyone goes home with their heads hanging. Monaghan got the bloodrush of rescuing a game where they had let a seven-point lead get whittled down to one with the finish line in sight.
Kerry got a belligerent second-half performance on the road out of a team stocked with fresh faces. Both sides end the weekend on four points after three games, essentially one good day away from being sure of Division One ball next year. Happiness is March football looking up not down.
That said, Monaghan would have been sick to have left this one behind them. This is their third league win over Kerry in the past four seasons but they made monstrous chore out of it after a bright start. They scored the first four points of the game, went seven up by the 20th minute and kept Kerry scoreless from play for a full 40 minutes either side of half-time. And still, though they led by a point on the hour mark, it looked for all the world like the tide was with the visitors as time ran down.
When David Clifford kicked his third point after coming on as a half-time sub - his second free - there were 90 seconds left of injury-time and Monaghan ached for a kick-out. Kerry won it though and drove at the heart of the Monaghan defence, frantically trying to entice Cormac Reilly into giving them the free that would have drawn the game.
It was hard to blame them. Reilly could easily have felt he owed Kerry for a mistaken penalty call in the first half, when goalkeeper Shane Murphy was whistled for a foul on Monaghan midfielder Niall Kearns despite having put in a perfectly clean tackle on the ball.
Even Malachy O’Rourke conceded afterwards that it looked like a harsh decision - not that it mattered to Conor McManus, whose resultant goal proved crucial. As it happened, Kerry didn’t get their late free and Monaghan were able to farm possession long enough to buy themselves one down the other end. They had given themselves a scare with a tepid second-half display but when it mattered, they were able to see it out.
“It’s just making sure that we have that resilience but that quality as well,” O’Rourke said. “And that we keep our heads and use the ball. And we did that in the last 10 minutes, held onto the ball a wee bit better and worked openings. Subs came on, made a great impact and Neil McAdam got a great score to put us two up again.”
Eamonn Fitzmaurice gave a fairly wry laugh when asked about the penalty, and a sort of ye-know-yourselves shrug into the bargain. Come the summer he would hardly afford to be so magnanimous about it but in the middle of February in boggy Inniskeen, he had no need to go looking for scalps.
“I was a good bit away from it. It looked to me like Shane got a good flick on the ball. I’d be interested to see it on TV afterwards. It certainly looked to me like he got a good flick on the ball. But when the call is made the call is made, you have to move on.”
And move on they did. In the 50 minutes after McManus stuck the penalty, Kerry outscored Monaghan by 0-10 to 0-5. Of the 21 players Fitzmaurice used here, 10 haven’t a minute of senior championship experience between them. Clifford and Seán O’Shea are the obvious eye-catchers among the new crop but Micheál Burns put in another impressive stint and Ronan Shanahan looks a nailed-on summer starter at corner-back.
That Kerry didn’t winkle out a result in the end was mostly down to giving themselves too much to do. Harsh and all as the penalty had been, nobody could have argued that Monaghan were anything other than good value for their early seven-point lead. They settled far better and played some easy-on-the-eye football, spraying crossfield passes to each other and splitting the posts with some fine scores from Jack McCarron, Colin Walshe and a tireless Darren Hughes.
Fitzmaurice’s response to Monaghan’s 1-9 to 0-6 lead at the break was to send on Clifford and Tom O’Sullivan and both had a significant impact at either end of the pitch. Clifford showed for everything and though a few of his moves didn’t work out, Kerry were inching their way back into matters all the while. Burns landed a sweet score to end 40 minutes of Kerry attacks without a score from play, Barry John Keane got in for his second fisted point of an otherwise frustrating afternoon.
When Clifford galloped through for one of his own from play after a gang-tackle turnover of Hughes in midfield, Kerry’s tails were well up. Monaghan needed a smart save by Rory Beggan from a Paul Geaney shot to keep breathing but when O’Shea tacked on his sixth point from a free on the hour mark, it looked like there could only be one winner - and it wasn’t the team who were a point ahead. Especially so when corner-back Barry Kerr walked on a straight red card for something off-the-ball.
But Monaghan held out. McAdam stitched a point from a quickly-taken free to keep them two ahead and in all the frenzy at the end, they kept it between the ditches just long enough to survive.
Monaghan: Rory Beggan; Colin Walshe (0-1), Drew Wylie, Barry Kerr; Dessie Mone, Conor Boyle, Karl O’Connell; Darren Hughes (0-1), Niall Kearns; Dessie Ward (0-1), Dermot Malone, Paudie McKenna (0-1); Thomas Kerr, Jack McCarron (0-4, 0-3 free), Conor McManus (1-3, 1-0 pen, 0-2 frees). Subs: Fintan Kelly for Mone (half-time), Ryan McAnespie for Malone (45 mins), Owen Duffy (0-1) for McKenna (51), Neil McAdam (0-1) for T Kerr (61), Ryan Wylie for McCarron (67), Kieran Duffy for Kearns (71).
Kerry: Shane Murphy; Shane Enright, Jason Foley, Ronan Shanahan; Paul Murphy, Andrew Barry, Brian Ó Beaglaoich; Brendan O’Sullivan, Peter Crowley; Micheál Burns (0-2), Seán O’Shea (0-6, 0-4 frees, 0-1 45), Stephen O’Brien; Jack Savage, Paul Geaney (0-1), Barry John Keane (0-2). Subs: Eanna Ó Conchúir for O’Sullivan (23 mins), Tom O’Sullivan for Barry (half-time), David Clifford (0-3, 0-2 frees) for Savage (half-time), Daithí Casey for Crowley, (54), Killian Spillane for Keane (63 mins), Mikey Geaney for O’Brien (71).
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Post by veteran on Feb 19, 2018 22:59:06 GMT
Does anybody know what is the background to the current problem in the Kerry Ladies game. It makes sad reading.
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Post by southward on Feb 19, 2018 23:00:15 GMT
Surprising that none of the media reports commented on the wide that was given as a point to Monaghan. It doesn't really happen too often at top level these days and it seemed clear cut on this occasion. And of course it mattered too, given the tight finish. Was it mentioned on League Sunday last night by any chance?
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Post by bomberliston on Feb 20, 2018 9:42:20 GMT
I was at the game and while the first half was dreadful from a Kerry perspective, the second half performance was very encouraging. Especially considering the age profile of the team.
Great performances from Paul Murphy and Ronan Shanahan.
Murphy is consistently excellent and it'd would be great if Shanahan could consistently produce this level of performance.
A lot of posters have commented on the ref.
The penalty call, the punch/eye-gouge, the fourth monaghan point....
Allow me to add Dessie Mone to this list.
Should've received a second yellow just before HT for a second clothesline tackle on Stephen O'B.
But I still think Monaghan deserved the points. They won it in the first twenty minutes. Kerry were left with too much to do in the second half on a really horrible day.
Bring on Galway!
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Post by Premier on Feb 20, 2018 14:21:49 GMT
I was at the game and while the first half was dreadful from a Kerry perspective, the second half performance was very encouraging. Especially considering the age profile of the team. Great performances from Paul Murphy and Ronan Shanahan. Murphy is consistently excellent and it'd would be great if Shanahan could consistently produce this level of performance. A lot of posters have commented on the ref. The penalty call, the punch/eye-gouge, the fourth monaghan point.... Allow me to add Dessie Mone to this list. Should've received a second yellow just before HT for a second clothesline tackle on Stephen O'B. But I still think Monaghan deserved the points. They won it in the first twenty minutes. Kerry were left with too much to do in the second half on a really horrible day. Bring on Galway! If you watch that Dessie Mone tackle back on tv it is actually a very good tackle. Ball shoots out and O’Brien just grabs Mone’s arm and pulls him down to buy a free
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Post by decondd2 on Feb 20, 2018 17:49:59 GMT
I was at the game and while the first half was dreadful from a Kerry perspective, the second half performance was very encouraging. Especially considering the age profile of the team. Great performances from Paul Murphy and Ronan Shanahan. Murphy is consistently excellent and it'd would be great if Shanahan could consistently produce this level of performance. A lot of posters have commented on the ref. The penalty call, the punch/eye-gouge, the fourth monaghan point.... Allow me to add Dessie Mone to this list. Should've received a second yellow just before HT for a second clothesline tackle on Stephen O'B. But I still think Monaghan deserved the points. They won it in the first twenty minutes. Kerry were left with too much to do in the second half on a really horrible day. Bring on Galway! If you watch that Dessie Mone tackle back on tv it is actually a very good tackle. Ball shoots out and O’Brien just grabs Mone’s arm and pulls him down to buy a free Having seen it happen right in front of me, it was a swinging arm that caught O'Brien high before touching the ball at all. I actually think if O'Brien hadn't exaggerated the contact and grabbed the hand, that Mone would have had to have walked.
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Post by dc84 on Feb 20, 2018 17:56:39 GMT
O brien reminds me a lot of darren pure pace and inconsistant one thing both of them bring tho is goals and goal chances with hard direct running we need at least one of them during the summer imho
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Post by Premier on Feb 20, 2018 19:08:31 GMT
If you watch that Dessie Mone tackle back on tv it is actually a very good tackle. Ball shoots out and O’Brien just grabs Mone’s arm and pulls him down to buy a free Having seen it happen right in front of me, it was a swinging arm that caught O'Brien high before touching the ball at all. I actually think if O'Brien hadn't exaggerated the contact and grabbed the hand, that Mone would have had to have walked. redirect.viglink.com/?key=bbb516d91daee20498798694a42dd559&u=https%3A//youtu.be/AbPb-nTKiV4 Flick the the 38th minute of video and you’ll see it was a very good tackle
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Post by decondd2 on Feb 20, 2018 21:10:27 GMT
He's got the ball but his arm has still caught O'Brien in the head/neck while swinging in. That is a still a high tackle for me. It's a dangerous tackle regardless of whether he gets the ball or not. Similarly Murphy got 2 hands to the ball for the penalty but his hands tripped his man up afterwards. That's why it was a penalty. Both tackles got the ball but had the consequence of fouling the player in the act. The last free of the game had 2 players collide while both going to pick up the ball legally. But Enright was half a yeard slower so it was a free.
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Post by Mickmack on Feb 20, 2018 22:27:00 GMT
Galway beat Tyrone by a point in Galway Galway beat Donegal by a point in Donegal Galway beat Mayo by 5 points in Galway
Kerry's formline is similar so a close game is guaranteed.
Michael Daly came on as a sub for NUIG last Saturday, just recovering from injury.
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Post by kerrygold on Feb 20, 2018 22:49:00 GMT
Galway beat Tyrone by a point in Galway Galway beat Donegal by a point in Donegal Galway beat Mayo by 5 points in Galway Kerry's formline is similar so a close game is guaranteed. Michael Daly came on as a sub for NUIG last Saturday, just recovering from injury. Kerry by 5-6 points at home in this one.
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Post by onlykerry on Feb 21, 2018 9:55:51 GMT
Clifford is no innocent here. He is a bigger & more physical player than most and is happy to throw his weight around. I have no issue with that but he will lose the golden boy tag soon enough with neutrals I reckon Who cares what the neutrals think, David is still a kid and some hard boys want to lay down a marker with him, our lads need to protect him. Just because of his size those not mean it's easy for him to take that punishment. DC has to live with the fact his profile will garner attention and tactics of the unwanted kind - however if it becomes know that he will retaliate then it will only encourage opponents to go after him. He was extremely lucky not to see red in the county championship last year for a gut punch - if he develops a reputation for throwing a punch it will plague his career and ref's will be down on him and the good 'ol media will scutinise and hound him. It is a thin line that he has to negotiate - be strong but keep the fists by his side - hit hard (but legitimately) and show that he cannot be provoked as this will stand to him far more. By all means let some of his senior colleagues (in rotation!!) exact some cute revenge for cheap shots.
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Post by Ballyfireside on Feb 21, 2018 10:27:36 GMT
Galway beat Tyrone by a point in Galway Galway beat Donegal by a point in Donegal Galway beat Mayo by 5 points in Galway Kerry's formline is similar so a close game is guaranteed. Michael Daly came on as a sub for NUIG last Saturday, just recovering from injury. Kerry by 5-6 points at home in this one. Both teams' form v Donegal alone favours Galway so we will have to be on the up and in fairness I think we have more scope, but we will have to go all guns blazing and if we do then we might test their resolve at the death. But as I say time and again, to predict is difficult, to predict the future is impossible.
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Post by OnTheForty on Feb 21, 2018 10:34:56 GMT
He's got the ball but his arm has still caught O'Brien in the head/neck while swinging in. That is a still a high tackle for me. It's a dangerous tackle regardless of whether he gets the ball or not. Similarly Murphy got 2 hands to the ball for the penalty but his hands tripped his man up afterwards. That's why it was a penalty. Both tackles got the ball but had the consequence of fouling the player in the act. The last free of the game had 2 players collide while both going to pick up the ball legally. But Enright was half a yeard slower so it was a free. decondd2, are you for real? Do you know the rules of football? It is bad enough that the tackle is badly refereed, and every tackle can be interpreted differently, but at least start from a point of knowing what is legal and what is not. Dessie Mone's tackle on O'Brien was perfect, a textbook tackle, a clean one-handed slap on the ball, not high, but on the ball. After the tackle, O'Brien ran into Mone's arm, and dragged them both down. Free to Monaghan. Your argument about Murphy makes even less sense: Murphy got contact on the ball, so clean tackle, then afterwards, in the act of the tackle, the man went down. No foul, play on. You say: Both tackles got the ball but had the consequence of fouling the player in the act. You are just wrong to say this is a foul. When you win the ball cleanly, any subsequent collision or contact in the act of the tackle is not a foul. There can be exceptions such as a follow through with an elbow or boot, but that did not happen in these 2 cases.
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Post by decondd2 on Feb 21, 2018 15:49:16 GMT
He's got the ball but his arm has still caught O'Brien in the head/neck while swinging in. That is a still a high tackle for me. It's a dangerous tackle regardless of whether he gets the ball or not. Similarly Murphy got 2 hands to the ball for the penalty but his hands tripped his man up afterwards. That's why it was a penalty. Both tackles got the ball but had the consequence of fouling the player in the act. The last free of the game had 2 players collide while both going to pick up the ball legally. But Enright was half a yeard slower so it was a free. decondd2, are you for real? Do you know the rules of football? It is bad enough that the tackle is badly refereed, and every tackle can be interpreted differently, but at least start from a point of knowing what is legal and what is not. Dessie Mone's tackle on O'Brien was perfect, a textbook tackle, a clean one-handed slap on the ball, not high, but on the ball. After the tackle, O'Brien ran into Mone's arm, and dragged them both down. Free to Monaghan. Your argument about Murphy makes even less sense: Murphy got contact on the ball, so clean tackle, then afterwards, in the act of the tackle, the man went down. No foul, play on. You say: Both tackles got the ball but had the consequence of fouling the player in the act. You are just wrong to say this is a foul. When you win the ball cleanly, any subsequent collision or contact in the act of the tackle is not a foul. There can be exceptions such as a follow through with an elbow or boot, but that did not happen in these 2 cases. Is that interpretation of the rule written? If so I'm happy to admit that I am wrong. I'd consider myself up on all the rules but i've never heard that if you get the ball it's play on regardless of body contact after. In that case the referee got both challenges incorrect as the initial contact was with the ball. I will say this Mone definitely made contact with O'Brien's head area with his upper arm. It happened 6 feet from me. But he got the ball with the tackle so under the rules that you have outlined it was a good tackle.
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Post by Mickmack on Feb 21, 2018 16:44:22 GMT
He's got the ball but his arm has still caught O'Brien in the head/neck while swinging in. That is a still a high tackle for me. It's a dangerous tackle regardless of whether he gets the ball or not. Similarly Murphy got 2 hands to the ball for the penalty but his hands tripped his man up afterwards. That's why it was a penalty. Both tackles got the ball but had the consequence of fouling the player in the act. The last free of the game had 2 players collide while both going to pick up the ball legally. But Enright was half a yeard slower so it was a free. decondd2, are you for real? Do you know the rules of football? It is bad enough that the tackle is badly refereed, and every tackle can be interpreted differently, but at least start from a point of knowing what is legal and what is not. Dessie Mone's tackle on O'Brien was perfect, a textbook tackle, a clean one-handed slap on the ball, not high, but on the ball. After the tackle, O'Brien ran into Mone's arm, and dragged them both down. Free to Monaghan. Your argument about Murphy makes even less sense: Murphy got contact on the ball, so clean tackle, then afterwards, in the act of the tackle, the man went down. No foul, play on. You say: Both tackles got the ball but had the consequence of fouling the player in the act. You are just wrong to say this is a foul. When you win the ball cleanly, any subsequent collision or contact in the act of the tackle is not a foul. There can be exceptions such as a follow through with an elbow or boot, but that did not happen in these 2 cases. I preface my remarks by saying that i am no expert on the rule book. But the interpretation that because murphy "got a touch of the ball before taking the legs from under the monaghan man" means it was not a penalty sounds to me like its an interpretation borrowed from soccer. I have read a few newspaper reports saying it wasnt a penalty but i find this strange. Where are you when we need you ciarrailar!
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