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Post by thebluepanther on Sept 13, 2017 20:23:31 GMT
Who would of thought a Kerry lad would have started pay for play. Imagine the uproar if it was a Dub.
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Post by southward on Sept 13, 2017 20:36:39 GMT
While I suspect the Gooch is as anti-slavery as the next corner forwardThis is probably the best piece of text I've read on this forum. Dunno. Kept quite a few defenders tied up in his time, so he did.
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Post by southward on Sept 13, 2017 20:45:08 GMT
Who would of thought a Kerry lad would have started pay for play. Imagine the uproar if it was a Dub. Good one, Panther. Seriously though, I get the points about it seeming a bit tacky or grabby, whatever. On the other hand, I don't see that it's ethically any different to lads fronting up for Supervalu, Centra etc.
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Post by kerrygold on Sept 13, 2017 20:54:10 GMT
Who would of thought a Kerry lad would have started pay for play. Imagine the uproar if it was a Dub. That's Bernard Brogan's gig I'd say on a €100k per year endorsements?
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Post by buck02 on Sept 13, 2017 20:54:20 GMT
This event leaves me very uneasy. Perhaps it is a reflection of my age . I was always under the impression that fellows played football/hurling as a hobby , for the love of the county/parish . I suppose major reason I find this distasteful is that there was a time when this practice was rampant in LOI soccer. Players /managers at the end of their careers or coming close to it would organise testimonial matches. I always felt this , to put it mildly, was tacky bleeding the LOI dry while matches continued to be played in cabbage gardens. It seemed to me that the monies garnered would have been more appropriately put else where rather than finding refuge in the pocket of one individual. Colm''s event is not entirely comparable I suppose but it does impinge on a nerve in me. My distaste is compounded by linking the event to charitable caises, no doubt an effort to make it more palatable. Colm"s jamboree coming in a week when we are fed excerpts from Jackie Tyreell"s book is causing no little nausea in this poster. So this is what the game for warriors has become- helmet pulling , eye gouging, kicking the heels of an opponent etc. We all sense that football has reached that depth but now confirmation that hurling is equally lawless- et tu Brute. So this is what " letting the game flow" means. Do anything to win. Totally disrespect your opponent. It is despiciable enough to play in that manner but why broadcast that fact? To make a few extra pathetic euro. Talk about selling your soul to the devil. Is this what professional sport means? Some years ago on this forum I castigated our own Tadgh Kennelly for a similar act/disclosure. I could never again respect him for that foul blow and for gloating about it. Similarly, I can never again respect Jackie for these revelations. It simply is not my approach to sport or life. Veteran. I'm struggling to see why you bring Jackie Tyrells book into this conversation. But while we're at it. Do you prefer the bland sporting autobiographies we have seen from our countrymen the likes of Darragh, Tomas, Moss Keane to name a few off the top of my head? The book where all team mates and opponents were grand fellas.
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Post by buck02 on Sept 13, 2017 20:55:03 GMT
Who would of thought a Kerry lad would have started pay for play. Imagine the uproar if it was a Dub. How much is Mossie Quinn on?
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Post by kerrygold on Sept 13, 2017 20:55:26 GMT
Who would of thought a Kerry lad would have started pay for play. Imagine the uproar if it was a Dub. Good one, Panther. Seriously though, I get the points about it seeming a bit tacky or grabby, whatever. On the other hand, I don't see that it's ethically any different to lads fronting up for Supervalu, Centra etc. Take away the charity element and this is a non event.
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Post by skybluezone on Sept 13, 2017 21:13:16 GMT
Who would of thought a Kerry lad would have started pay for play. Imagine the uproar if it was a Dub. How much is Mossie Quinn on? Mossy is employed to utilize his marketing skills. It's his job.
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Post by veteran on Sept 13, 2017 21:24:16 GMT
This event leaves me very uneasy. Perhaps it is a reflection of my age . I was always under the impression that fellows played football/hurling as a hobby , for the love of the county/parish . I suppose major reason I find this distasteful is that there was a time when this practice was rampant in LOI soccer. Players /managers at the end of their careers or coming close to it would organise testimonial matches. I always felt this , to put it mildly, was tacky bleeding the LOI dry while matches continued to be played in cabbage gardens. It seemed to me that the monies garnered would have been more appropriately put else where rather than finding refuge in the pocket of one individual. Colm''s event is not entirely comparable I suppose but it does impinge on a nerve in me. My distaste is compounded by linking the event to charitable caises, no doubt an effort to make it more palatable. Colm"s jamboree coming in a week when we are fed excerpts from Jackie Tyreell"s book is causing no little nausea in this poster. So this is what the game for warriors has become- helmet pulling , eye gouging, kicking the heels of an opponent etc. We all sense that football has reached that depth but now confirmation that hurling is equally lawless- et tu Brute. So this is what " letting the game flow" means. Do anything to win. Totally disrespect your opponent. It is despiciable enough to play in that manner but why broadcast that fact? To make a few extra pathetic euro. Talk about selling your soul to the devil. Is this what professional sport means? Some years ago on this forum I castigated our own Tadgh Kennelly for a similar act/disclosure. I could never again respect him for that foul blow and for gloating about it. Similarly, I can never again respect Jackie for these revelations. It simply is not my approach to sport or life. Veteran. I'm struggling to see why you bring Jackie Tyrells book into this conversation. But while we're at it. Do you prefer the bland sporting autobiographies we have seen from our countrymen the likes of Darragh, Tomas, Moss Keane to name a few off the top of my head? The book where all team mates and opponents were grand fellas. I connected Colm's proposed event and excerpts from Jackie's book because came to my attention over the past couple of days and both are anathema to me . I rarely read sports books now . I read the books by Jack O'Connor and Paul Galvin both of which I enjoyed . Paul's book is top of the range. and of course one of the reasons it is so good is because he wrote it himself and insightfully at that. I was given presents of the books by KD and Tomas and they remain unread. I started Darragh's book but have up after a few chapters in case the alcohol streamed out and floored as it seemed to consist of a series of drinking sessions. Puerile and bland I suppose. I didn't waste my money on Tadfh's book. Needless to say I will not be buying Jaxkie's book. I get your point about bland but if I was given the choice between bland and a glorification of violence I would suffer the former.
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Post by Mickmack on Sept 13, 2017 22:01:26 GMT
How much is Mossie Quinn on? Mossy is employed to utilize his marketing skills. It's his job. Is he paid out of the 1m per year from the Sports Council (taxpayers) Wouldn't it be better spent on the homeless
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Post by thebluepanther on Sept 13, 2017 23:15:43 GMT
Who would of thought a Kerry lad would have started pay for play. Imagine the uproar if it was a Dub. Good one, Panther. Seriously though, I get the points about it seeming a bit tacky or grabby, whatever. On the other hand, I don't see that it's ethically any different to lads fronting up for Supervalu, Centra etc. In the current climate with the dedication required to be sucessful and stay at the top in GAA , players make huge sacrifices and basically put their social life on hold for many years, professional sportspeople who are richly rewarded don't have to do this. So for me any inter county player that sees an opportunity to make money and succeeds I say fair play to them, they have earned that right. I wouldn't begrudge the Gooch, but he is the first GAA player to follow Rugby and Soccer lads in having testimonials when they finish playing. Id imagine this will now become more common . This will stir a lot of debate ( I'm sure theres a few Kerry guys with a lot of All Ireland medals thinking , i could of made a lot of money had i went down this route) The amatuer ethos of the GAA will be brought up, when in truth currently the word Amatuer is slowly disappearing and being replaced by the word professional in every aspect of what is required to prepare a county for a big game. I'm just amused at the reaction . The Gooch is going to pocket a nice percentage of 250,000 and Mickmacks reaction is that Mossy Quinns wages should be given to the homeless.😊
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Post by Jo90 on Sept 14, 2017 0:30:34 GMT
Can we give David Clifford a testimonial for his minor career?
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Post by beantownfan on Sept 14, 2017 5:47:01 GMT
Can we give David Clifford a testimonial for his minor career? Sign me up! To be honest this didn't sit well with me.. But when I spent some time thinking about it, how is it any different than someone like Brolly getting paid massive amounts of money by RTE to sit on the Sunday game. You might argue that Brolly is 'working' for the money, but at the same time all he is doing is making his 'brand' work for him. One could argue that its a far bigger outrage that Brolly is still getting paid given the number of people who play the sport without compensation* that he has insulted over the years etc.. I think the reason it will not sit well is for the likes of the Kerry Co. Board, where do you draw the line... Won't Donaghy be entitled to a testimonial, or Darren etc.. Where do you draw the line and how do you not p*ss lads off in the long run.. I know this is being organized independent of the Co. board but I am sure they will feel some pressure to help as Gooch is a massive fund generating machine for them too on their trips to London and NYC.. They'll have to thread carefully so as to not potentially annoy current lads.. Darragh must be bulling he didn't think of this! The current Dublin squad must be delighted with the Gooch as it now opens the door for a big pay day for a bunch of them - I am sure they'd have an even bigger earning potential.. $$$$$$ Its a pity they don't reveal how much is going to charity.. By keeping that hush it definitely diminishes the event.. Even if they had said something like 40% of the door and 60% of the auction items go to charity.. or some number, then I think it would be hard to argue.. I'd be concerned if it was revealed that the player was keeping 70-80% of the gate for the event, as then its definitely a case of throwing out a few charities just to divert attention a bit.. And Vetern,... I think Donaghy's book is well worth a read! I agree with you on the others.. Galivan's a must, the rest you could take or leave!
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Post by kerrygold on Sept 14, 2017 8:00:04 GMT
What is the earning potential of a joint event in Dublin to mark the retirement of BB, Paul Flynn, Philly McMahon and MDMC for example?
Only a matter of time before a few bright sparks in Kerry come up with something to keep the best young players at home.
Gooch might be kicking the door down here with this new development.
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Post by onlykerry on Sept 14, 2017 8:39:16 GMT
The essential difference for me between the testamonial and other commercial activities that give financial gain is the the charity tag along - leave the charity out of it and call it what it is, a financial pay day and we can either support it or not at our own individual discretion (same as we can buy the book or not). The linking to charity is the element that bugs me most - either run a charity event or don't.
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Post by Mickmack on Sept 14, 2017 8:43:55 GMT
Good one, Panther. Seriously though, I get the points about it seeming a bit tacky or grabby, whatever. On the other hand, I don't see that it's ethically any different to lads fronting up for Supervalu, Centra etc. In the current climate with the dedication required to be sucessful and stay at the top in GAA , players make huge sacrifices and basically put their social life on hold for many years, professional sportspeople who are richly rewarded don't have to do this. So for me any inter county player that sees an opportunity to make money and succeeds I say fair play to them, they have earned that right. I wouldn't begrudge the Gooch, but he is the first GAA player to follow Rugby and Soccer lads in having testimonials when they finish playing. Id imagine this will now become more common . This will stir a lot of debate ( I'm sure theres a few Kerry guys with a lot of All Ireland medals thinking , i could of made a lot of money had i went down this route) The amatuer ethos of the GAA will be brought up, when in truth currently the word Amatuer is slowly disappearing and being replaced by the word professional in every aspect of what is required to prepare a county for a big game. I'm just amused at the reaction . The Gooch is going to pocket a nice percentage of 250,000 and Mickmacks reaction is that Mossy Quinns wages should be given to the homeless.😊 🙂 being deliberately obtuse there panther i suspect. Mossy is entitled to his wages. The 1m from the sports council wud be better spent by peter mcverry at this stage
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Post by kerrygold on Sept 14, 2017 8:50:51 GMT
The essential difference for me between the testamonial and other commercial activities that give financial gain is the the charity tag along - leave the charity out of it and call it what it is, a financial pay day and we can either support it or not at our own individual discretion (same as we can buy the book or not). The linking to charity is the element that bugs me most - either run a charity event or don't. Fully agree regards separating the charity link from this, not disclosing the percentage also makes it less palatable.
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Post by kerrygold on Sept 14, 2017 8:52:17 GMT
In the current climate with the dedication required to be sucessful and stay at the top in GAA , players make huge sacrifices and basically put their social life on hold for many years, professional sportspeople who are richly rewarded don't have to do this. So for me any inter county player that sees an opportunity to make money and succeeds I say fair play to them, they have earned that right. I wouldn't begrudge the Gooch, but he is the first GAA player to follow Rugby and Soccer lads in having testimonials when they finish playing. Id imagine this will now become more common . This will stir a lot of debate ( I'm sure theres a few Kerry guys with a lot of All Ireland medals thinking , i could of made a lot of money had i went down this route) The amatuer ethos of the GAA will be brought up, when in truth currently the word Amatuer is slowly disappearing and being replaced by the word professional in every aspect of what is required to prepare a county for a big game. I'm just amused at the reaction . The Gooch is going to pocket a nice percentage of 250,000 and Mickmacks reaction is that Mossy Quinns wages should be given to the homeless.😊 🙂 being deliberately obtuse there panther i suspect. Mossy is entitled to his wages. The 1m from the sports council wud be better spent by peter mcverry at this stage How many county boards can afford the Mossy Quinns?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 14, 2017 9:25:57 GMT
The essential difference for me between the testamonial and other commercial activities that give financial gain is the the charity tag along - leave the charity out of it and call it what it is, a financial pay day and we can either support it or not at our own individual discretion (same as we can buy the book or not). The linking to charity is the element that bugs me most - either run a charity event or don't. Exactly and colm was very self serving in his comments on this.
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Sept 14, 2017 10:14:27 GMT
I think the charity angle only really works if the cut is declared at the outset.
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Post by skybluezone on Sept 14, 2017 12:30:18 GMT
The essential difference for me between the testamonial and other commercial activities that give financial gain is the the charity tag along - leave the charity out of it and call it what it is, a financial pay day and we can either support it or not at our own individual discretion (same as we can buy the book or not). The linking to charity is the element that bugs me most - either run a charity event or don't. Fully agree regards separating the charity link from this, not disclosing the percentage also makes it less palatable. 100% agree. Something very cloak and dagger about it all. It appears the charity add on bit is only there to give this Gooch personal fundraiser a veneer of respectability. the whole of Ireland can see right through this. And by the way I have no difficulty with the Gooch earning his slice of the pie in time honoured fashion. He was on the Sunday Game in jig time and no one raised an eyebrow. The Mossy Quinn question is a complete red herring diversionary tactic. Just looking to bash anything Dublin (again).
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Post by buck02 on Sept 14, 2017 16:08:29 GMT
Fully agree regards separating the charity link from this, not disclosing the percentage also makes it less palatable. 100% agree. Something very cloak and dagger about it all. It appears the charity add on bit is only there to give this Gooch personal fundraiser a veneer of respectability. the whole of Ireland can see right through this. And by the way I have no difficulty with the Gooch earning his slice of the pie in time honoured fashion. He was on the Sunday Game in jig time and no one raised an eyebrow. The Mossy Quinn question is a complete red herring diversionary tactic. Just looking to bash anything Dublin (again).This Gooch story has people on about amateurism. My comparison is that Mossy Quinn was hired by Dublin GAA as a Commercial and Marketing Manager. John Costello is the CEO of Dublin GAA. Both full time, highly paid positions. Funded by the Irish Sports Council via the State. Or AIG via the American taxpayers.
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Post by skybluezone on Sept 14, 2017 16:37:18 GMT
100% agree. Something very cloak and dagger about it all. It appears the charity add on bit is only there to give this Gooch personal fundraiser a veneer of respectability. the whole of Ireland can see right through this. And by the way I have no difficulty with the Gooch earning his slice of the pie in time honoured fashion. He was on the Sunday Game in jig time and no one raised an eyebrow. The Mossy Quinn question is a complete red herring diversionary tactic. Just looking to bash anything Dublin (again).This Gooch story has people on about amateurism. M y comparison is that Mossy Quinn was hired by Dublin GAA as a Commercial and Marketing Manager. John Costello is the CEO of Dublin GAA. Both full time, highly paid positions. Funded by the Irish Sports Council via the State. Or AIG via the American taxpayers. Again, a diversionary tactic. And is the AIG money a different colour to what Kerry collect at their Stateside fundraisers?
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Post by royalkerryfan on Sept 14, 2017 16:45:14 GMT
I've absolutely no problem with this, fair play to colm, for all the years of enjoyment and excitement he gave me its well earned.
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Post by Mickmack on Sept 14, 2017 16:57:22 GMT
This Gooch story has people on about amateurism. M y comparison is that Mossy Quinn was hired by Dublin GAA as a Commercial and Marketing Manager. John Costello is the CEO of Dublin GAA. Both full time, highly paid positions. Funded by the Irish Sports Council via the State. Or AIG via the American taxpayers. Again, a diversionary tactic. And is the AIG money a different colour to what Kerry collect at their Stateside fundraisers? Serious question that deserves a straight answer....should dublin gaa be getting 1m a year from the sports council. It was put in place by bertie way back in 2007 "to help de dhubs win the all oirland". Hasnt it served its purpose?
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Post by skybluezone on Sept 14, 2017 18:15:18 GMT
Again, a diversionary tactic. And is the AIG money a different colour to what Kerry collect at their Stateside fundraisers? Serious question that deserves a straight answer....should dublin gaa be getting 1m a year from the sports council. It was put in place by bertie way back in 2007 "to help de dhubs win the all oirland". Hasnt it served its purpose? You are so far off in your version of the money story that I think you might be Ewan McKenna in disguise. I am no expert on it but I do know that what is packaged up and sold as the truth on that topic is a load of oul *e, and that's putting it politely. But Fair play to you , your now famous modus operandi of asking a completely unrelated question to move off topic is working for you again. The only question worth asking here is this "What is Cooper doing here?" Some of the answers might include "lining his own pockets and unashamedly using charity organizations to help him". And that's a fair step from penning a biog or writing a column or rambling on on the Sunday game.
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Post by Mickmack on Sept 14, 2017 18:28:42 GMT
Ah look we dont get our knickers in a knot about going off topic on here. ..discussions go all over the place, one word borrows another....
So with that in mind....
Is there any bssis in 2017 for taxpayers money to be given to the dubs via the sports council.
If it makes it any easier for you i will resurrect the money thread and ask you it on that.
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Post by Mickmack on Sept 14, 2017 18:32:01 GMT
As regards colm...i agree the percent to charity should be made clear at the outset.
Other than that...away with him and the best of luck to him. He deserves a bit of karma after his horrific injury and the manner in which the chance to lift sam in 2011 was denied him.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 14, 2017 19:18:04 GMT
Serious question that deserves a straight answer....should dublin gaa be getting 1m a year from the sports council. It was put in place by bertie way back in 2007 "to help de dhubs win the all oirland". Hasnt it served its purpose? You are so far off in your version of the money story that I think you might be Ewan McKenna in disguise. I am no expert on it but I do know that what is packaged up and sold as the truth on that topic is a load of oul *e, and that's putting it politely. But Fair play to you , your now famous modus operandi of asking a completely unrelated question to move off topic is working for you again. The only question worth asking here is this "What is Cooper doing here?" Some of the answers might include "lining his own pockets and unashamedly using charity organizations to help him". And that's a fair step from penning a biog or writing a column or rambling on on the Sunday game. gaa players do whatever they have to do to generate a buck. Some might say for example that Philly McMahon has used his backstory to ensure he got plenty of media coverage to promote his business. A more positive spin for colm would be that two charities are going to get money they otherwise would not have got. I am not impressed with what colm has done here but it ain't that unique either.
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Post by skybluezone on Sept 14, 2017 19:50:11 GMT
You are so far off in your version of the money story that I think you might be Ewan McKenna in disguise. I am no expert on it but I do know that what is packaged up and sold as the truth on that topic is a load of oul *e, and that's putting it politely. But Fair play to you , your now famous modus operandi of asking a completely unrelated question to move off topic is working for you again. The only question worth asking here is this "What is Cooper doing here?" Some of the answers might include "lining his own pockets and unashamedly using charity organizations to help him". And that's a fair step from penning a biog or writing a column or rambling on on the Sunday game. gaa players do whatever they have to do to generate a buck. Some might say for example that Philly McMahon has used his backstory to ensure he got plenty of media coverage to promote his business. A more positive spin for colm would be that two charities are going to get money they otherwise would not have got. I am not impressed with what colm has done here but it ain't that unique either. Agree that the optics are poor. No difficulty with him earning a few quid off his name, he deserves it. But this particular gig is doing him no favours reputation wise.
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