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Post by kerrygold on Sept 13, 2017 8:28:26 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Sept 13, 2017 8:39:27 GMT
Good luck to colm with this but spare me the charity and the giving back sh*te.
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Post by seamus on Sept 13, 2017 8:44:49 GMT
50 tables @ €5000 = €250,000 Give it €50,000 of cost = €200,000 net Amazed that they don't give the split between charity and Colm as that ultimately will determine whether people go or not. Is it 50/50 or 80/20?
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Post by kerrybhoy06 on Sept 13, 2017 8:45:32 GMT
An odd one, no doubt.
I'm in favour of players getting some financial recognition but this seems a bit extreme
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Post by kerrygold on Sept 13, 2017 8:50:04 GMT
Looks like new ground without full transparency.
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Post by keane on Sept 13, 2017 8:51:13 GMT
'That amounts to a total of €250,000 with an unspecified portion of the proceeds going to two nominated charities: The Kerry Cancer Support Group and Our Lady’s Children’s Hospital.
There will also be sports memorabilia auctioned on the night.'
The whole idea of this gives me the creeps to be honest.
The fact that they're having it in Ballsbridge is kind of nauseating also.
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Post by onlykerry on Sept 13, 2017 9:14:31 GMT
As Gooch is quoted as saying "it is territory they are entitled to enter" and I grant him that but it is not something I would support or buy into. It is yet another encroachment into the amateur ethos of the sport that does not sit well with me. I also have great difficulty in reconciling the use of charities as a lever to further either personal or professional gain by individuals or companies (something that has become relatively common and can be argued both ways).
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Post by keane on Sept 13, 2017 9:48:01 GMT
The nebulous references to cancer support and children's hospital reminds me of Barcelona's cynical ploy of putting UNICEF on their historically blemish free jersey in the sponsor position in order to soften the blow and make criticising the move more difficult. Fast forward a year or two and the shirt is plastered with blood money from a Middle Eastern regime that uses slaves.
While I suspect the Gooch is as anti-slavery as the next corner forward, I wouldn't be too surprised if this is the thin edge of a personal enrichment wedge we'll see more players pushing in future, probably with token sums to charities so we feel bad about not liking it.
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Post by jackiel on Sept 13, 2017 10:05:22 GMT
Not sure how I feel about this, it could damage his reputation as there seems to be an unwillingness to answer the question regarding the amount to go to charity.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 13, 2017 11:08:40 GMT
Leaving aside the who is involved here - I think the GAA is setting a dangerous precedent by allowing this to happen - who is to say Sean Cavanagh or Bernard Brogan when he retires should not be entitled to one of these "testimonial" dinners in the future...what is the rationale for having one versus not having one
I think this is another giant step in the transition from amateur status and one that does not sit easy with me
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Post by kerrybhoy06 on Sept 13, 2017 11:12:00 GMT
While I suspect the Gooch is as anti-slavery as the next corner forward
This is probably the best piece of text I've read on this forum.
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Post by Mickmack on Sept 13, 2017 12:05:12 GMT
When he hears about this, maybe Mark oConnor will come home, play for Kerry, go to college and look forward to 200k from the testimonial dinner when he retires.
I wouldn't be getting too exercised about the amateur ethos of the GAA either. They drove a coach and four through that themselves.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 13, 2017 12:08:07 GMT
Nothing the gaa can do about this. Colm and his backers can do what they want here.
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Post by glengael on Sept 13, 2017 12:48:40 GMT
Nothing the gaa can do about this. Colm and his backers can do what they want here. I'd imagine his employers won't be shying away from it either. Anything with a positive spin will be good for them.
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Sept 13, 2017 12:53:04 GMT
I don't understand how this has anything to actually do with the GAA organisation.
Colm doesn't need permission from anyone to do this. Getting permission just looks like optics.
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Post by kerrygold on Sept 13, 2017 13:17:49 GMT
Things have moved a long way since Maurice Fitzgerald had to give back the 10k for winning the world kicking competition back in the '80s.
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Post by glengael on Sept 13, 2017 13:33:53 GMT
Jeez i'd forgotten all about that KG.
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Post by buck02 on Sept 13, 2017 15:46:11 GMT
I see the figure of €200k net mentioned above.
Former players like Gooch, Tomas, Brolly, O Rourke, Spillane, Dolan and Whelan would garner a lot more than than annually, courtesy of the taxpayer, from RTE. The same RTE that posted a €20 MILLION deficit in 2015.
If they can get 500 corporates to attend and the named charities get 5 figure sums I dont see what the problem is.
While its a long way from the "This is Your Life" things they did for a few of the Golden Years Team when they packed it in, this is the world we live in today.
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Post by clarinman on Sept 13, 2017 15:57:41 GMT
I see the figure of €200k net mentioned above. Former players like Gooch, Tomas, Brolly, O Rourke, Spillane, Dolan and Whelan would garner a lot more than than annually, courtesy of the taxpayer, from RTE. The same RTE that posted a €20 MILLION deficit in 2015. If they can get 500 corporates to attend and the named charities get 5 figure sums I dont see what the problem is. While its a long way from the "This is Your Life" things they did for a few of the Golden Years Team when they packed it in, this is the world we live in today. No way the Sunday game guys are getting anywhere near what you are suggesting. Only 8 people in rte are earning more than 200k and none of those are sports pundits.
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Post by buck02 on Sept 13, 2017 16:19:17 GMT
I see the figure of €200k net mentioned above. Former players like Gooch, Tomas, Brolly, O Rourke, Spillane, Dolan and Whelan would garner a lot more than than annually, courtesy of the taxpayer, from RTE. The same RTE that posted a €20 MILLION deficit in 2015. If they can get 500 corporates to attend and the named charities get 5 figure sums I dont see what the problem is. While its a long way from the "This is Your Life" things they did for a few of the Golden Years Team when they packed it in, this is the world we live in today. No way the Sunday game guys are getting anywhere near what you are suggesting. Only 8 people in rte are earning more than 200k and none of those are sports pundits. In total. Lester on around €80k. €120k between the other 7 p/annum - easily.
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Post by kerrygold on Sept 13, 2017 16:40:23 GMT
I would have thought Cahill would be on half a million alone for his brilliance!
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Post by buck02 on Sept 13, 2017 16:43:04 GMT
I would have thought Cahill would be on half a million alone for his brilliance! €100k for TSG. €50k for radio. €350k for dancing.
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Post by kerrygold on Sept 13, 2017 16:45:26 GMT
I would have thought Cahill would be on half a million alone for his brilliance! €100k for TSG. €50k for radio. €350k for dancing. Plus 100k bonus for cheerleading!
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Post by Aodhan on Sept 13, 2017 16:45:49 GMT
It's 800 euros and a new suit per program for the panelists, you do the math.
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Post by skybluezone on Sept 13, 2017 18:08:01 GMT
I don't understand how this has anything to actually do with the GAA organisation. Colm doesn't need permission from anyone to do this. Getting permission just looks like optics. "Everything" is the short answer. What's on sale here is an invitation to break bread with Colm Cooper, legendary gaa player, not Colm Cooper, everyman. If it was the latter no one would attend, except maybe his Ma and girlfriend.
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Sept 13, 2017 18:21:51 GMT
I don't understand how this has anything to actually do with the GAA organisation. Colm doesn't need permission from anyone to do this. Getting permission just looks like optics. "Everything" is the short answer. What's on sale here is an invitation to break bread with Colm Cooper, legendary gaa player, not Colm Cooper, everyman. If it was the latter no one would attend, except maybe his Ma and girlfriend. I said the GAA organisation. Is the GAA the same as the GAA organisation? I don't know. Ultimately there is nothing whatsoever stopping Colm Cooper running this event.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 13, 2017 18:41:20 GMT
This is no different to any other earner that top gaa players have. Plenty of players bring out books. I doubt they seek permission for this.
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Post by buck02 on Sept 13, 2017 19:20:50 GMT
This is no different to any other earner that top gaa players have. Plenty of players bring out books. I doubt they seek permission for this. Exactly. Or do the Sunday Game and write a newspaper piece and maybe earn €300k over ten years after you retire.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 13, 2017 19:48:19 GMT
The issue for the gaa here is that the whatever colm makes is money lost to the gaa. People only attend a certain amount of these type of events so the likelihood is that some other fundraiser will be impacted. I cannot imagine the Kerry county board are happy with this.
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Post by veteran on Sept 13, 2017 19:55:04 GMT
This event leaves me very uneasy. Perhaps it is a reflection of my age . I was always under the impression that fellows played football/hurling as a hobby , for the love of the county/parish . I suppose major reason I find this distasteful is that there was a time when this practice was rampant in LOI soccer. Players /managers at the end of their careers or coming close to it would organise testimonial matches. I always felt this , to put it mildly, was tacky bleeding the LOI dry while matches continued to be played in cabbage gardens. It seemed to me that the monies garnered would have been more appropriately put else where rather than finding refuge in the pocket of one individual. Colm''s event is not entirely comparable I suppose but it does impinge on a nerve in me. My distaste is compounded by linking the event to charitable caises, no doubt an effort to make it more palatable.
Colm"s jamboree coming in a week when we are fed excerpts from Jackie Tyreell"s book is causing no little nausea in this poster. So this is what the game for warriors has become- helmet pulling , eye gouging, kicking the heels of an opponent etc. We all sense that football has reached that depth but now confirmation that hurling is equally lawless- et tu Brute. So this is what " letting the game flow" means. Do anything to win. Totally disrespect your opponent.
It is despiciable enough to play in that manner but why broadcast that fact? To make a few extra pathetic euro. Talk about selling your soul to the devil. Is this what professional sport means? Some years ago on this forum I castigated our own Tadgh Kennelly for a similar act/disclosure. I could never again respect him for that foul blow and for gloating about it. Similarly, I can never again respect Jackie for these revelations. It simply is not my approach to sport or life.
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