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Post by dart on Sept 1, 2017 8:34:54 GMT
I see another sorry winter ahead in Mayo. They must hope that them to win one and stopping the blue wave is on corporate HQs mind, more of a chance of a blue tsunami though.
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Post by Jigz84 on Sept 1, 2017 9:44:01 GMT
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Post by peanuts on Sept 1, 2017 12:21:58 GMT
They generally don't give the AI to a ref who has reffed a semi so hopefully not. He didn't actually ref the semi, so maybe? That was in reference to Gough, not McQuillan (or did you mean Gough didn't ref the SF
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Post by fitz on Sept 1, 2017 22:43:53 GMT
He didn't actually ref the semi, so maybe? That was in reference to Gough, not McQuillan (or did you mean Gough didn't ref the SF Yep, Gough was on the field, that's about it really. 😋
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Post by thebluepanther on Sept 2, 2017 0:01:32 GMT
Over the 6 dub forwards that started last Sunday, only two started in the drawn final last year.....Rock and Kilkenny. Against Tyrone in February in the league , we started with 12 of the 15 that started last Sunday . 4 of the 6 forwards. Yet we had only scored 3 points at half time , 2 from play. We played a totally different game with o Gara as target man , we constantly attacked down the middle, carried the ball into the tackle, played balls into the D where O Gara was and Tyrone loved it .
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Post by Mickmack on Sept 2, 2017 7:55:58 GMT
Peter Canavan:
Dublin had Tyrone’s number but our players didn’t play to potential when it really counted
'It will take more than pretty hairstyles and fancy boots to beat the Dubs,' was one of the comments made in my direction on the short walk from the Sky Sports studio over to the Croke Park Hotel last Sunday afternoon.
Those Dublin fans had obviously read my prediction of a Tyrone win against the odds in these pages and they weren't slow in reminding me how it had all gone wrong. It was hard to blame them for being in such good form. Their team had been magnificent.
It was very different for Tyrone supporters as they set off on the long journey back home. We travelled down to Croke Park with great expectations and dared to dream of taking down this great Dublin team and a giddy build-up to an All-Ireland final.
Instead, we witnessed a disaster that we hadn't even considered, let alone prepared for.
There's been a few days of sifting through the rubble and wondering how it came to this. At the very least, we thought we'd make it hard for Dublin and take them to the home straight where we'd see if all their years of winning had left them with a soft underbelly.
We fell miserably short of that. Instead of bringing the game down to the final ten minutes, you could say that the game was gone from us after the first ten minutes. That just wasn't in our script.
The post-mortem is only really getting under way now. My big fear that we were too one-dimensional was cruelly exposed by a Dublin side who played like a team who have won nothing. Jim Gavin and Dublin knew what we were coming with and pounced on that.
The system didn't help us in that we couldn't change it up. But on a individual level, we didn't help ourselves either. At this point it is worth remembering that our set-up had served us well all year. And for it to work last Sunday we needed the players to apply themselves with total commitment and energy.
We also needed to make sure we stopped Dublin getting a good start. Neither of those things happened. That can be attributed in part to Dublin's brilliance but it also down to a complete lack of physicality on our part. There was no aggression in how Tyrone's players went about their business. No palpable sense of purpose. That's a minimum requirement when you pull on the jersey.
From a Tyrone point of view, there was one appalling statistic that pretty much summed up our disappointing performance. At half-time, Dublin had 67pc of the possession and they had conceded 12 frees, while Tyrone managed to foul on just two occasions.
If you give Dublin the run of the place, they'll trample all over you. And they did.
The result leaves both teams in very different places. Jim Gavin's side were brilliant but it's a concern for them that they stroll into an All-Ireland final without having been tested. I expected that much at least from Tyrone but it didn't materialise.
And now Dublin face a Mayo side who will only be bouncing off the ground for another shot at them.
At the very least, Mayo will bring war. It will be interesting to see how they deal with being under real pressure.
In some ways Dublin's supreme performance was the perfect outcome for Stephen Rochford's side. On Saturday evening Mayo looked in a good place but in less than 24 hours, all the talk was about how good Dublin were.
That might dampen expectations around the county and focus minds within the camp. In the build-up to the final much of the analysis will be on the brilliance of the Dubs and where they would stand in terms of the all-time great teams if they win three in a row. That's no bad thing for Mayo going into an All-Ireland final.
For Tyrone, there is much soul-searching to be done. In one way, Sunday's 12-point defeat shouldn't take from the fact that the county had a fantastic summer and that Mickey Harte has assembled a committed bunch of lads who, with the exception of the retired Seán Cavanagh, are a young side.
Their best days are ahead of them and this experience will make them a meaner, more streetwise team when it comes to playing big games in Croke Park.
Of course, this team won't have Seán for the next part of their development.
Sunday's performance failed to provide him with the exit that his glorious career deserved. I can say that from the first day he landed into the dressing room it was obvious he was a player with serious potential.
I was honoured to have played with him on some of Tyrone's best days. He was a fantastic servant to Tyrone football and leaves with no regrets.
The only comfort is that Tyrone still have a very good core of players there who are willing to do what it takes to improve. Our underage system is producing nicely-rounded footballers too, meaning that any change in style is within Tyrone's range.
Introducing more adaptability into the game will be top of management's 'to-do' list in the weeks and months to come.
With that in mind, I hope the county board acts swiftly and puts to bed the nonsense regarding Mickey's future. He's shipped big blows in the past and rebuilt teams and I expect him to do it again.
With Mickey in place the players will have the continuity they need to improve and realise their full potential.
It will be a long winter but amidst the devastation of defeat, there is cause for hope.
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Post by thebluepanther on Sept 2, 2017 8:50:55 GMT
JMcGuiness said he knew that Dublin would come forward and push men up the pitch in 2014 , so he planned for it, granted they rode their luck early on and if Connolly scored a goal history could be completly different , but we were predictable and he seized upon it. We only had a plan A. Tyrone were predictable , They didn't change from the game in February. If anything they went more defensive. No matter how fit Dublin were and the players we have , if we employed the same game plan as in February last Sunday then it could have been the dogfight everyone expected. Difference was we knew exactly what we were facing and planned for it .We made them come out of their comfort zones . They probably got a glimpse of our game plan against Monaghon, but by then it was too late . They had regimently trained with a defensive system all year ,that could defeat another defensive system or possibly defeat an attacking system that pushed high up the pitch and left gaps at the back. But we were patient , had the scorers , but most importantly our half forwards and full forwards chased Tyrone half backs all the way down the pitch when Tyrone went on the attack . Stripped them of the ball and started another attack. I feel Mayo half backs will get the same treatment . But they are a lot better and seasoned. It will be interesting to see how it works out.
One big plus now is our midfield is better and the addiction of Con o Callaghan.
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Post by kerrygold on Sept 2, 2017 10:14:49 GMT
Tyrone are completely inept up front and wouldn't have won any game type versus Dublin.
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Post by inforthebreaks on Sept 2, 2017 10:59:59 GMT
One big plus now is our midfield is better and the addiction of Con o Callaghan. Is he getting treatment for that?
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Post by thebluepanther on Sept 2, 2017 17:21:13 GMT
One big plus now is our midfield is better and the addiction of Con o Callaghan. Is he getting treatment for that? no need , it's an addiction to scoring goals 😉
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Post by Mickmack on Sept 2, 2017 18:40:37 GMT
I expected Monaghan to seriously test Dublin. Monaghan seemed to be coming to form at the right time. They were wiped out.
I expected Tyrone to turn the game into a stalemate for 60 mins with the Dublin having too much firepower at the end. Tyrone never lose possession when coming forward in military format and never get turned over and concede goals like.... Con's goal.
So instinctively, its hard to make a case for Mayo winning in 2017 even though I thought they might beat Dublin last year.
Dublins forwards are better in 2017. OCallaghan is everything we expected. Mannion is just brilliant. Rock is now an accomplished forward. Connollys mix off brilliance and stupidity is not needed now. Kilkenny is prepared to be the hod carrier. The subs bench is frightening.
Mayo are better too in 2017 but have Dublin moved away from Mayo too in 2017?
In the ladies final its Dublin v Mayo too. Mayo beat cork today by two points with Cora Staunton scoring 1.07 from play.
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Post by thebluepanther on Sept 2, 2017 21:20:13 GMT
Tyrone are completely inept up front and wouldn't have won any game type versus Dublin. Maybe not. But i dont think they are as bad as they looked on Sunday. I think they were shell shocked and caught in a very rigid system that didn't have an answer for what was unfolding in front of them.
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Post by fitz on Sept 2, 2017 21:49:30 GMT
I've not seen a game like it before. Tyrone were akin to the brainwashed, unable to instinctively adapt in any wayto circumstances. Retreating so far that on occasion when Dublin turned Tyrone over in their own half back line they could send a kick pass to say Andrews who'd come out toward midfield and receive a ball with no Tyrone man within 15-20 metres. Never seen the like of it.
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Post by kerrygold on Sept 3, 2017 8:44:37 GMT
Tyrone are completely inept up front and wouldn't have won any game type versus Dublin. Maybe not. But i dont think they are as bad as they looked on Sunday. I think they were shell shocked and caught in a very rigid system that didn't have an answer for what was unfolding in front of them. They don't have the forwards to win an All-Ireland.
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Post by Mickmack on Sept 3, 2017 11:25:13 GMT
Plans to build a new stadium on the Southside of Dublin City have been scrapped, according to the chairman of the Dublin County Board.
A 25,000 capacity stadium for inter-county GAA use was proposed on a 35 acre site in Templeogue, close to the M50.
The stadium was set to cost €45 million.
But those plans have been rubbished, with Board Chairman Sean Shanley saying a new centre of excellence will be developed instead.
The centre will include five pitches with a small spectator seating area, capable of hosting local championship fixtures and smaller-scale games.
"It would take too long to get planning permission, as well as being too costly for the occasions you'd use a stadium there", Shaley told the Irish Independent.
"Parnell Park holds 10,000 so another stadium… if we have more than 10,000 we can go to Croke Park.
"Now, that's costly to open Croke Park for 20,000 but we don't have a decent pitch in the Spawell where local championship games can be played.
"Like, it's ridiculous bringing Ballyboden and Crokes over to Parnell Park. The likes of that could be played in the Spawell. We'd have a small viewing area like Abbotstown."
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Post by kerrygold on Sept 3, 2017 12:38:01 GMT
Why would Dublin want to leave Croke Park?
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Post by kerrygold on Sept 3, 2017 17:24:12 GMT
The first of the two senior cups gone west of the Shannon this year?
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Post by Mickmack on Sept 3, 2017 20:35:08 GMT
I didn't try to get a ticket for todays final but I decided to ramble into the city to sample the atmosphere and if at 3pm tickets were floating around I would grab one but no such luck. When Galway made their big breakthrough in 1980 I was able to queue up and pay three quid into the Hill. The West was awake after Galways win in 1980 and attention turned to the Rossies to do the double for the West and stop a three in a row bid by Kerry.
Thirty seven years later and Mayo are trying to do a double for the west against a team doing three in a row.
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Post by kerrygold on Sept 4, 2017 8:12:57 GMT
At some point the footballing Gods will align for a Mayo win..........................
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Post by Jigz84 on Sept 4, 2017 16:23:33 GMT
Joe McQuillan has been named as the referee.
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Post by misteallaigh abú on Sept 4, 2017 16:43:46 GMT
Joe McQuillan has been named as the referee. Joke of a decision. Good ole Dublin Joe...
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Post by kerrygold on Sept 4, 2017 16:47:59 GMT
FFS, disgusting.
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Post by Mickmack on Sept 4, 2017 17:03:40 GMT
The sentiment in the corridors of power might be "Jesus, we have created a monster in Dublin, we need Mayo to win this one".
No better man than joe to give them what they want.
He did it before.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 4, 2017 17:32:44 GMT
Joe and Dublin going for three in a row
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Post by skybluezone on Sept 4, 2017 21:15:09 GMT
Joe and Dublin going for three in a row Really pleased with that appointment, where would we be without him.
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Post by Mickmack on Sept 4, 2017 21:35:01 GMT
Joe and Dublin going for three in a row Really pleased with that appointment, where would we be without him. Gavin's rant about having an "inexperienced" for the league final seems to have been successful.
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Sept 5, 2017 0:49:15 GMT
Joe and Dublin going for three in a row Really pleased with that appointment, where would we be without him. Does Mr McQuillan live in Dublin? If yes he shouldn't be considered for Dublin games.
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Post by onlykerry on Sept 5, 2017 9:04:51 GMT
More importantly to Kerry - look who got the minor game - the one and only Anthony Nolan from Wicklow.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 5, 2017 9:45:22 GMT
So Joe's the ref. Look like Mayo's long wait to land Sam is going to continue!
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Post by onlykerry on Sept 5, 2017 10:52:17 GMT
Dublin's "blip" against Donegal in 2014 must really bug them. Only for that they would be chasing the immortal five in a row.
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