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Post by wayupnorth on Aug 28, 2017 22:19:39 GMT
Mr Sweeny's article has almost performed the impossible task of turning me into a Dublin supporter. This is the exact attitude we experienced during the Golden Years from the ABK brigade. So a Mayo win will be better for the game? Only if they play out of their skins and manage to beat a truly great team - probably the best since the aforementioned Golden Years. They must not win for the fairytale effect or because they somehow deserve a win after such a long wait or even because "it will be good for football". The "puke football" comparison is also insulting and unnecessary. The football played by Dublin yesterday was attacking and positive - they can't be blamed for the quality of the opposition. And as for the five in a row comparison, be careful what you wish for. If Mayo are to be the new Offaly, they should remember that Offaly hasn't won a Championship since whereas the team they beat went on to a three in a row and the county won many more since then. Having a superior team is not bad for the game. It raises the bar for the other teams who have to up their own game to compete. Anything else is a drive towards mediocrity which cannot be good for anyone.
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Post by Mickmack on Aug 28, 2017 22:28:57 GMT
Mr Sweeny's article has almost performed the impossible task of turning me into a Dublin supporter. This is the exact attitude we experienced during the Golden Years from the ABK brigade. So a Mayo win will be better for the game? Only if they play out of their skins and manage to beat a truly great team - probably the best since the aforementioned Golden Years. They must not win for the fairytale effect or because they somehow deserve a win after such a long wait or even because "it will be good for football". The "puke football" comparison is also insulting and unnecessary. The football played by Dublin yesterday was attacking and positive - they can't be blamed for the quality of the opposition. And as for the five in a row comparison, be careful what you wish for. If Mayo are to be the new Offaly, they should remember that Offaly hasn't won a Championship since whereas the team they beat went on to a three in a row and the county won many more since then. Having a superior team is not bad for the game. It raises the bar for the other teams who have to up their own game to compete. Anything else is a drive towards mediocrity which cannot be good for anyone. Galway and Waterford would not live with either KK or Tipp in 2008 to 2010 but everyone is looking forward to sundays novel final. There is absolutely no basis for saying that having a superior team is good for anyone else bar the team themselves. Sport is about competition I have given up going to see Kerry win in Munster. I didnt bother my arse going to see Kerry beat Clare in the QF last year. I have driven down to Kerry to watch club hurling and football games that are competitive
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Post by donegalman on Aug 29, 2017 1:31:12 GMT
I thought Dublin were a joy to watch yesterday. We should salute them and enjoy their play. I look forward to seeing them in the final in a few weeks time. They are starting to dominate the game in the same way that Kerry did when winning eight titles in twelve seasons during the '70s and 80s. Dublin have great players everywhere across the pitch and on the bench. That was a phenomenal time to be a young Kerry fan growing up. I'm sure the Dubs are drinking all this in at the moment. All things being equal, they are a joy to watch as you say and play unbelievable football. But you have got to look at the bigger picture here.
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Post by wayupnorth on Aug 29, 2017 7:25:39 GMT
Mr Sweeny's article has almost performed the impossible task of turning me into a Dublin supporter. This is the exact attitude we experienced during the Golden Years from the ABK brigade. So a Mayo win will be better for the game? Only if they play out of their skins and manage to beat a truly great team - probably the best since the aforementioned Golden Years. They must not win for the fairytale effect or because they somehow deserve a win after such a long wait or even because "it will be good for football". The "puke football" comparison is also insulting and unnecessary. The football played by Dublin yesterday was attacking and positive - they can't be blamed for the quality of the opposition. And as for the five in a row comparison, be careful what you wish for. If Mayo are to be the new Offaly, they should remember that Offaly hasn't won a Championship since whereas the team they beat went on to a three in a row and the county won many more since then. Having a superior team is not bad for the game. It raises the bar for the other teams who have to up their own game to compete. Anything else is a drive towards mediocrity which cannot be good for anyone. Galway and Waterford would not live with either KK or Tipp in 2008 to 2010 but everyone is looking forward to sundays novel final. There is absolutely no basis for saying that having a superior team is good for anyone else bar the team themselves. Sport is about competition I have given up going to see Kerry win in Munster. I didnt bother my arse going to see Kerry beat Clare in the QF last year. I have driven down to Kerry to watch club hurling and football games that are competitive Galway and Waterford have got where they are today partly due to having to compete with a dominant Kilkenny and to a lesser extent Tipperary. Of course sport is about competition and I thought my post explained pretty well the benefits of having a superior team to raise standards all round. You would be correct if that team had permanent dominance but as we all know, that never happens. The Golden Years came to an end as did our lesser purple patch in the noughties. This Dublin team will also fade but not anytime soon and not this year. If Dublin supporters took your advice and only went to competitive games they will be staying away for a long time. But we go to support our team for many reasons and seeing a competitive match is only one of them. I travel literally thousands of miles every year to support Kerry footballers (and even Kerry hurlers on occasions). I have frequently questioned my sanity in doing so (and never more so than after last Saturday) but part of the reason is to connect with my childhood home, where I have been unable to live for over thirty years. That is as important to me as seeing a competitive match or the joy of a victory. And, by the way, it's a pity you didn't get to see the Clare match as it WAS the most competitive one before we met Mayo, but I respect your choice not to go.
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Post by kerrygold on Aug 29, 2017 7:31:38 GMT
I thought Dublin were a joy to watch yesterday. We should salute them and enjoy their play. I look forward to seeing them in the final in a few weeks time. They are starting to dominate the game in the same way that Kerry did when winning eight titles in twelve seasons during the '70s and 80s. Dublin have great players everywhere across the pitch and on the bench. That was a phenomenal time to be a young Kerry fan growing up. I'm sure the Dubs are drinking all this in at the moment. All things being equal, they are a joy to watch as you say and play unbelievable football. But you have got to look at the bigger picture here. The other picture in the bigger picture is that Dublin might have killed off the blanket defence. I find that much more palatable at the moment than a Harte victory last Sunday nourishing the blanket further.
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Post by Mickmack on Aug 29, 2017 7:40:30 GMT
Galway and Waterford would not live with either KK or Tipp in 2008 to 2010 but everyone is looking forward to sundays novel final. There is absolutely no basis for saying that having a superior team is good for anyone else bar the team themselves. Sport is about competition I have given up going to see Kerry win in Munster. I didnt bother my arse going to see Kerry beat Clare in the QF last year. I have driven down to Kerry to watch club hurling and football games that are competitive Galway and Waterford have got where they are today partly due to having to compete with a dominant Kilkenny and to a lesser extent Tipperary. Of course sport is about competition and I thought my post explained pretty well the benefits of having a superior team to raise standards all round. You would be correct if that team had permanent dominance but as we all know, that never happens. The Golden Years came to an end as did our lesser purple patch in the noughties. This Dublin team will also fade but not anytime soon and not this year. If Dublin supporters took your advice and only went to competitive games they will be staying away for a long time. But we go to support our team for many reasons and seeing a competitive match is only one of them. I travel literally thousands of miles every year to support Kerry footballers (and even Kerry hurlers on occasions). I have frequently questioned my sanity in doing so (and never more so than after last Saturday) but part of the reason is to connect with my childhood home, where I have been unable to live for over thirty years. That is as important to me as seeing a competitive match or the joy of a victory. And, by the way, it's a pity you didn't get to see the Clare match as it WAS the most competitive one before we met Mayo, but I respect your choice not to go. If you think Dublin are ever going to fade away you are in for a shock in my opinion. The AIG investment is only now starting to bear fruit. Galway and Waterford are not much better than ten years ago. KK beat Waterford by twenty points in a final 8 years ago. I doubt that did them any good. Where is the evidence that KK raised standards. KK have gone way back. Tipp are sated. Cork are coming. The standard isnt great but am I looking forward to it!
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Post by yourholiness on Aug 29, 2017 7:57:04 GMT
Lads this is just an exceptional Dublin team . It's not hitting these heights because of population . The players are coming from the clubs that they traditionally have come from . Ballymun Kickhams provide 5 players to the panel . Not through having a huge amount of registered players and creaming from the top but through getting a few structures right and having an exceptional bunch that graduated together . James McCarthy , Jack McCaffrey , Bernard Brogan , Dean Rock and Kevin McManamon are all the second generation of their families to play for Dublin . The CEO's son is on the panel . This suggest the pool isn't as vast as people think. There are a plethora of clubs that will very rarely if ever provide a player to the inter county scene . There are things that need to be addressed absolutely but many of them are outside of Dublin.
Counties need to address their own failings . Donegal,Mayo , Kerry , Kildare , Wexford ,Armagh, Cork , Meath and Tyrone have all competed meaningfully with Dublin in this decade and will again .
This team is not unlike any other great team. The loss of a few on the panel will be very keenly felt .
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Post by Mickmack on Aug 29, 2017 8:17:09 GMT
Stock answer.
Exceptional bunch, when a few retire the wheels will come off........other counties need to address their failings....
That is just an insult to our intelligence at this stage
Dublin are only starting to see the benefits if the underage work started ten years ago.
Maybe other counties are just getting disheartened at the manner in which Dublin have been singled out for preferment.
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Post by kerrygold on Aug 29, 2017 8:34:06 GMT
Kildare have won 3 of the last five Leinster minor championships so maybe the AIG money hasn't kicked in yet?
I find the current Dublin team exciting to watch. It also gives a glimpse of what a well funded game in a semi professional environment might look like.
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Post by keane on Aug 29, 2017 8:54:37 GMT
Lads this is just an exceptional Dublin team . It's not hitting these heights because of population . The players are coming from the clubs that they traditionally have come from . Ballymun Kickhams provide 5 players to the panel . Not through having a huge amount of registered players and creaming from the top but through getting a few structures right and having an exceptional bunch that graduated together . James McCarthy , Jack McCaffrey , Bernard Brogan , Dean Rock and Kevin McManamon are all the second generation of their families to play for Dublin . The CEO's son is on the panel . This suggest the pool isn't as vast as people think. There are a plethora of clubs that will very rarely if ever provide a player to the inter county scene . There are things that need to be addressed absolutely but many of them are outside of Dublin. Counties need to address their own failings . Donegal,Mayo , Kerry , Kildare , Wexford ,Armagh, Cork , Meath and Tyrone have all competed meaningfully with Dublin in this decade and will again . This team is not unlike any other great team. The loss of a few on the panel will be very keenly felt . Good post, food for thought.
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Post by yourholiness on Aug 29, 2017 9:37:57 GMT
Stock answer. Exceptional bunch, when a few retire the wheels will come off........other counties need to address their failings.... That is just an insult to our intelligence at this stage Dublin are only starting to see the benefits if the underage work started ten years ago. Maybe other counties are just getting disheartened at the manner in which Dublin have been singled out for preferment. Sometimes the stock answer is the correct one and relation to the success of this particular team they hold true. Leadership at county board level and effective management can't be overestimated . That is when referring to this particular team . That is not to say that a problem is not emerging and that it has to be addressed structurally by the GAA but in the case of this team I believe them to be the product of a lot of hard work and strategic nous coming to fruition . I share your concerns for the future .
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Post by donegalman on Aug 29, 2017 10:24:56 GMT
Lads, hard work is a given for success. I don't know any successful team who didn't or doesn't work very hard. It is their ability to work exceptionally hard over a long period of time that is the false economy here. I agree that their under age infrastructure is tip top. U also agree that their football is a mighty brand to watch and the blanket is finished forever now.....but what team is going to be able to match their ability to train and sustain a campaign? We are looking at a Munster v Sligo town rugby anolagy.in 5 years or thereabouts will u feel the same way?
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Post by Mickmack on Aug 29, 2017 11:53:57 GMT
If my earlier post about Clare came across as dismissive of Clare, it wasn't meant that way.
I have great respect for Clare and the club tradition in west Clare about the size if Shannon rangers and Feale rangers.
I know lots of GAA people there as I holiday there every year.
I found it a total shambles that it was Kerry they had to face again at the QF stage and the prospect of six subs coming on by Kerry to pull away near the end was farcical in my view.
If Milltown Malbay meet Kilmurry Ibricane of Quilty in this years final ...i will be there to see it. The local rivalry is intense. Milltown won last year for the first time in 25 years.
They are reducing the number of senior clubs from 16 to 12 to strengthen the intermediate scene which is poor.
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Post by Attacking Wing Back on Aug 29, 2017 14:57:32 GMT
The dubs have the advantage of population, money etc. However at any one time they can only have 15 players on the pitch. And at the moment any 15 players they put on the pitch seem to be vastly superior to anyone else 15 players (apart from Mayo in the last few years)
Are they doing more training than us? Better training than us? Or is it simply the fact they have better players and an all round better management team. Jim Gavin recognised after the Donegal defeat in 2014 that they needed to develop a plan to counter the blanket defence.
Since 2013 in Eamonns first year we have had a problems when teams run at us but, in the intervening 4 years nothing has been done about it.
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Post by statistician on Aug 29, 2017 16:51:31 GMT
It amazes me how people think that Dublin will blow Mayo away in the Final when the statistics in recent years point to a much tighter game. I have perused the records of recent Mayo V Dublin matches and there has been some marvellous matches decided by very little. Truth be told on the bare from and to use horse racing parlance Dublin are probably well clear on the ratings but Mayo are battle hardened and will sure have surely devised a game plan over the 22 days they have to construct one. Mayo seem to blow hot and cold against inferior teams but raise their game substantially for the top rank teams. They seem to be complacent against Division 2, 3 and 4 teams and really tune in when playing Dublin, Kerry, Donegal or Tyrone. It’s obviously a mind-set and focus issue that doesn’t necessarily make them a bad team.
In 2012 Mayo ripped Dublin apart with an awesome display of football in the first 52 minutes. Mayo has waltzed into 0-17 to 0-07 lead. They were well ahead after 50 minutes and scrambled home to win by 3 points 0-19 to 0-16 with David Clarke making a magnificent save from Bernard brogan late on. Mayo had a very poor start in the Final and still ended up with the same amount of scores as Donegal 2-11 to 0-13.
In 2013 Mayo advanced to the final once again where they played Dublin. They played well in the first half and went in at Half Time 0-08 to 1-04 ahead. They deserved to be further ahead and an opportunist Bernard Brogan kept Dublin well in touch. Dublin won the game but amazingly Mayo kicked more scores them once again. Dublin won the game 2-12 to 1-14.
In 2014 Mayo were behind to Kerry on a 0-09 to 0-05 score line at Half Time and were a man down after Lee Keegan had been sent off. They looked out of the contest but amazing transformation saw take over and cruise into a 6 point lead. A bit of naivety from Mayo in defence and a ferocious Kerry display in the last 10 minutes saw them ending up 1-16 apiece. In the Replay Mayo had the game won but the concession of 2 silly penalties saw Kerry on the verge before Mayo edged out a draw. They were unlucky that Aidan O’Shea was injured and had to go off. Kerry played very physically but hit fair and hard. Mayo looked to have the game wrapped up in injury time but a couple of soft frees awarded to Kerry saw them back into a 2 whoppers from Jonathan Lyne saw them into the Final.
In 2015 Mayo once again face Dublin in the Semi Final. This was another epic game and Dublin looked to have matters under control after a dubious penalty was awarded against Mayo which Diarmuid Connolly drove home in the 5th minute. Dublin were sauntering to victory and were 6 points up with 63 minutes gone but Mayo came from nowhere to score 1-03 without reply. Dublin were most fortuitous to hold on even though Cluxton missed a free to win it. Mayo still ended up getting more scores than Dublin once again for the 3rd time in a row on a score line of 2-12 to 1-15. In the replay the first half was one of the best halves of football I have seen with both sides going in at Half Time 0-10 apiece. Mayo edged 4 points clear with Dublin only scoring 0-01 in the first 20 minutes of the 2nd half which came from a free. From this juncture Mayo fell apart and Dublin really opened up winning the game 3-15 to 1-14. Mayo seemed run out of steam and Dublin ran out easy winners.
The sides met once again in the 2016 All Ireland Final on a wet day. This was a tense and exciting game. Mayo did concede 2 own goals but it doesn’t matter how the ball went in they didn’t prevent it from happening. After 30 minutes no Dublin player had scored and they still were in front 2-00 to 0-05. Dublin finished the half with 4 rapid points to give them a 5 point cushion at Half Time. There was a sense that the game was over. Mayo battled back and Alan Dillon licked them level. In the 68th minute Diarmuid Connolly kicked Dublin 3 points clear. 7 minutes of injury time where an incredible comeback from Mayo saw Cillian O’Connor kick a free, Donal Vaughan kick a massive point before O’Connor hit an absolute whopper from 40 metres to level it at the death. Dublin looked shell shocked. Mayo had won the second half 10-5. Mayo for the 3rd time in 4 outings, had outscored Dublin but had 1 only victory for their valiant heroics. The replay was another tense and tight affair. Dublin were 2 points up in the 18th minute but Lee Keegan put Mayo a point ahead when he goaled. Dublin were playing slightly better and Mayo suffered a blow when Lee Keegan was black carded in the 35th minute. Mayo changed their keeper. Rob Hennelly took over from David Clarke and this could have worked out better to be honest. His kick outs were below standard and this put Keegan under pressure before he was black carded. Mayo needed him on the field. Hennelly fumbled a ball in the 2nd and when he went to retrieve it he dragged down Paddy Andrews. Hennelly was black carded and Clarke could get to Connolly’s penalty which put Dublin 3 points to the good 1-11 to 1-08. Mayo battled back into the game once again but the earlier mistakes were to prove very costly in final analysis. Cormac Costello came on as sub and scored 3 beautiful points. Unbelievably 5 minutes into injury time Mayo had an awkward free to level it but after scoring 9 previous Cillian O’Connor’s effort drifted wide and Mayo lost by the minimum margin on a score line of 1-15 to 1-14. Mayo had once again got more 2nd half scores 0-08 to 1-05. Dublin had won their 4th Final in 6 seasons. 3 of these have been won the minimum and the other by 3 points in 2015.
Dublin are indeed one of the greatest teams in the history of the GAA but previous encounters show that Mayo can go toe to toe with them. Mayo lacked a bit of cuteness over the years and this year’s campaign has seen the good, the bad and the ugly. It’s slightly similar to Kerry’s campaign in 2009. Midway through little or nothing was expected but now they have set up the first repeat Senior Football Final in 29 years. Psychologically they must be on an incredible high. Having Donie Buckley there is a massive plus. How he was left slip out the door from Kerry is mystifying, mind boggling and bewildering. The man should have been a standing dish being part of the management structure whoever was in charge. You can take it as given that Mayo would not be where they are today without his influence.
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Post by Mickmack on Aug 29, 2017 18:19:10 GMT
Did someone say that Mayo would blow Mayo away?
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Post by statistician on Aug 29, 2017 19:01:37 GMT
Did someone say that Mayo would blow Mayo away? They most definitely did not Sir...that's impossible.
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Post by Mickmack on Aug 29, 2017 19:03:58 GMT
Did someone say that Mayo would blow Mayo away? They most definitely did not Sir...that's impossible. maybe not impossible. Didnt the dropping of Clarke do that last year!
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Post by statistician on Aug 29, 2017 19:21:05 GMT
They most definitely did not Sir...that's impossible. maybe not impossible. Didnt the dropping of Clarke do that last year! I agree 100%. Isn't there a book called House of Pain about Mayo falling apart in Croke Park? I must acquire a copy of said book before the Final and see is it any good. Mayo had a lively committee meeting in October 2006 when some experienced campaigner stood up and said we were like ladeens chasing after Kerry unable for anything physical. People in Kerry laughed heartily...as Mr Farage said "well your not laughing now".
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Post by statistician on Aug 29, 2017 19:26:02 GMT
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Post by thirdson on Aug 29, 2017 21:11:40 GMT
Lads this is just an exceptional Dublin team . It's not hitting these heights because of population . The players are coming from the clubs that they traditionally have come from . Ballymun Kickhams provide 5 players to the panel . Not through having a huge amount of registered players and creaming from the top but through getting a few structures right and having an exceptional bunch that graduated together . James McCarthy , Jack McCaffrey , Bernard Brogan , Dean Rock and Kevin McManamon are all the second generation of their families to play for Dublin . The CEO's son is on the panel . This suggest the pool isn't as vast as people think. There are a plethora of clubs that will very rarely if ever provide a player to the inter county scene . There are things that need to be addressed absolutely but many of them are outside of Dublin. Counties need to address their own failings . Donegal,Mayo , Kerry , Kildare , Wexford ,Armagh, Cork , Meath and Tyrone have all competed meaningfully with Dublin in this decade and will again . This team is not unlike any other great team. The loss of a few on the panel will be very keenly felt . Your holiness is it true players from small unfashionable clubs in Dublin won t get picked no matter how good they are. I remember a player with Liffey gaels years ago - Nolan-I think. Should have been on the first 15 never mind the panel. Wonder what happened him.
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Post by bedlamite on Aug 29, 2017 21:25:05 GMT
Statistician's form book is correct. This Mayo team will give Dublin a game of it.
Tyrone were dreadful in the semi final, looked over cooked, never raised a hand against Dublin, couldn't hold onto the ball when tackled. They never even got nasty when things started going against them. No fight at all, surreal occasion. The papers writing up Dublin on the back of this are doing so to sell the papers to the mob in Dublin who want to hear nought but superlatives. No proper analysis. Dublin are a good team,the best of the big 3, but they are not unbeatable.
Mayo's preparation is better for this final. Dublin have strolled to Croke Park this year. It will be a whole lot more intense in a few weeks time. Only 70 mins to adjust, maybe not enough time.
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Post by thebluepanther on Aug 29, 2017 22:43:35 GMT
Lads this is just an exceptional Dublin team . It's not hitting these heights because of population . The players are coming from the clubs that they traditionally have come from . Ballymun Kickhams provide 5 players to the panel . Not through having a huge amount of registered players and creaming from the top but through getting a few structures right and having an exceptional bunch that graduated together . James McCarthy , Jack McCaffrey , Bernard Brogan , Dean Rock and Kevin McManamon are all the second generation of their families to play for Dublin . The CEO's son is on the panel . This suggest the pool isn't as vast as people think. There are a plethora of clubs that will very rarely if ever provide a player to the inter county scene . There are things that need to be addressed absolutely but many of them are outside of Dublin. Counties need to address their own failings . Donegal,Mayo , Kerry , Kildare , Wexford ,Armagh, Cork , Meath and Tyrone have all competed meaningfully with Dublin in this decade and will again . This team is not unlike any other great team. The loss of a few on the panel will be very keenly felt . Your holiness is it true players from small unfashionable clubs in Dublin won t get picked no matter how good they are. I remember a player with Liffey gaels years ago - Nolan-I think. Should have been on the first 15 never mind the panel. Wonder what happened him. Dont understand what you mean by unfashionable , Darren Daly is with a small club called Fingal Ravens.
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Post by thirdson on Aug 29, 2017 23:13:42 GMT
Your holiness is it true players from small unfashionable clubs in Dublin won t get picked no matter how good they are. I remember a player with Liffey gaels years ago - Nolan-I think. Should have been on the first 15 never mind the panel. Wonder what happened him. Dont understand what you mean by unfashionable , Darren Daly is with a small club called Fingal Ravens. [ Too true the blue panther and lowndes with peregrines of course. Mick Deegan managed the ravens to an all Ireland junior club I think and he obviously knew Daly from this.
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Post by thebluepanther on Aug 30, 2017 9:12:42 GMT
Dont understand what you mean by unfashionable , Darren Daly is with a small club called Fingal Ravens. [ Too true the blue panther and lowndes with peregrines of course. Mick Deegan managed the ravens to an all Ireland junior club I think and he obviously knew Daly from this. Dublin won the Junior AllIreland in 2008. Gilroy brought in Darren Daly, Mick Fitzsimmons and E oGara from that team. Ciaran Reddin is with St Maurs (Rush) Gavin has given him a lot of game time , Team now is from Guys coming through from u21 ranks. It doesn't matter what club you are with in Dublin, if you are good enough you have a chance. Gavin brought Fenton two years ago into the squad , he leap froged a lot of guys who had come up through the ranks and were deemed higher in the pecking order. If you are good enough you will get a chance under Gavin. Doesn't mean like every county that club politics isn't at play when guys are given a chance at underage . Na Fianna now would be strong at underage , but guarantees nothing when your older. Ballymun have the most guys now in Senior.
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Post by kerrygold on Aug 31, 2017 7:49:27 GMT
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Post by homerj on Aug 31, 2017 8:33:42 GMT
The worrying aspect of potential and probable Dublin dominance is that the poplulation trends havent even taken impact yet.
Another 10 years, the only 2 teams currently touching Dublin -Kerry and Mayo, could and probably will be in serious trouble population wise.
The amount of kids out of the Kerry genepool and into the Dublin one is starting to get critical now but we won see real impact for another decade.
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Post by Mickmack on Aug 31, 2017 18:57:03 GMT
Over the 6 dub forwards that started last Sunday, only two started in the drawn final last year.....Rock and Kilkenny.
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Post by fitz on Aug 31, 2017 22:13:13 GMT
They generally don't give the AI to a ref who has reffed a semi so hopefully not. He didn't actually ref the semi, so maybe?
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Post by fitz on Aug 31, 2017 22:19:47 GMT
Dublin will win it easily No evidence to support that. Dublin are a brilliant team. Tyrone were hopeless, rudderless, apologies Dermot. Mayo are never easily beaten by anyone including Dublin going back to 2012. Dublin are rightly favourites and should have too much, but it looks like it will be very competitive.
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