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Post by kerryexile on Apr 13, 2017 19:29:38 GMT
Yep. Great to see the skill being rewarded once more. I'm sure its an area other teams will target to try and ensure they limit the amount of clean catches the likes of Moran can make in a game. Imagine if it had been around for the likes of Darragh Ó Sé and Ciarán Whelan! Or Micko, Jack o & seanie Walsh, I only saw micko when he was finished but I don't think anyone would live with jacko, the man was a machine. FOTY 4 times says it all. Back in Mick O'Connell's time and to a lesser extent Jack O and Seanie's time they didn't crowd midfield so the high fielder got a lot more space. The mark wouldn't have made a huge difference I think. The thing about it that really suits Moran is that he likes that few seconds to pick his pass.
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Post by fitz on Apr 13, 2017 23:10:29 GMT
On round 2 now of re-watch. First half: The number of mistakes by both teams bringing the ball from midfield forward is unreal. The defending mind, was pretty high end quality.
Kilkenny already mentioned was standout in this half for Dublin, Fitzsimons and Philly made some incisive runs forward. McCarthy also. He's a very influential player building from the back, and we didn't do a good job on him in that half. He influences most games in this manner. Fenton was decent. Reddin got two lovely scores but didn't influence much else. Moran, Griffin, Shanahan, Murph, P Geaney, Savage best for us.
God we gave so many bad passes, really needs to be re-watched to appreciate it
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Post by thebluepanther on Apr 13, 2017 23:25:38 GMT
In analysing Dublin v Kerry last week the result was not a shock to a lot of Dublin fans. Dublin have played at pedestrian rate a lot of times in the league.Have looked tired too many times. I turned to a Monaghon guy in Clones a few weeks back when we were 5 down and said this teams record will end here and I don't mind. Mentally some players didn't look right. We should of lost against Tyrone and definetly in Tralee. 2014 Dublin v Donegal was a massive shock , we were in our prime and tactically got it wrong. Sunday was different ,this was coming. It was eye of the Tiger stuff from Kerry against a tired looking Dublin team. We won't know where this Dublin team are till August. But what I'm reading over the last week here and in the papers is in the extreme , some of the assessments and crowning of the demise of Dublin and re-emergence of the Kingdom is a far cry from two weeks ago. They say a week is a long in politics, try a Gaa forum. One thing I believe is that if Dublin had of won in extra time last Sunday (which they wouldn't of deserved) had we met Kerry later in the year in championship , Kerry would of won. Now i belive these Dublin lads cant let that happen. Morley was huge in Tralee, Barry was emmense keeping Fenton quite ,this allowed Moran shine. Eamon done same in Croke Park with same result. I admire Fitzmaurice attitude and game plan on Sunday. I liked Gavin talking about having nothing but admiration for the man after a loss, it refreshing compared to the premiership soccer spoilt kid behaviour from their multi millionaire managers. All we know now is we had a great spectacle last week, Now for the championship its game on😊
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Post by Ballyfireside on Apr 14, 2017 1:31:07 GMT
On round 2 now of re-watch. First half: The number of mistakes by both teams bringing the ball from midfield forward is unreal. The defending mind, was pretty high end quality. Kilkenny already mentioned was standout in this half for Dublin, Fitzsimons and Philly made some incisive runs forward. McCarthy also. He's a very influential player building from the back, and we didn't do a good job on him in that half. He influences most games in this manner. Fenton was decent. Reddin got two lovely scores but didn't influence much else. Moran, Griffin, Shanahan, Murph, P Geaney, Savage best for us. God we gave so many bad passes, really needs to be re-watched to appreciate it I did and which is why I am upbeat re Sam -Dublin didn't lose this one as many assert, we won it and we beat them and what's more our youngsters beat their best and that is a hallmark of an emerging force. On my second viewing I can only remember the said match-ups and a few auld lads like, myself are similarly enthused.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 14, 2017 7:44:15 GMT
In analysing Dublin v Kerry last week the result was not a shock to a lot of Dublin fans. Dublin have played at pedestrian rate a lot of times in the league.Have looked tired too many times. I turned to a Monaghon guy in Clones a few weeks back when we were 5 down and said this teams record will end here and I don't mind. Mentally some players didn't look right. We should of lost against Tyrone and definetly in Tralee. 2014 Dublin v Donegal was a massive shock , we were in our prime and tactically got it wrong. Sunday was different ,this was coming. It was eye of the Tiger stuff from Kerry against a tired looking Dublin team. We won't know where this Dublin team are till August. But what I'm reading over the last week here and in the papers is in the extreme , some of the assessments and crowning of the demise of Dublin and re-emergence of the Kingdom is a far cry from two weeks ago. They say a week is a long in politics, try a Gaa forum. One thing I believe is that if Dublin had of won in extra time last Sunday (which they wouldn't of deserved) had we met Kerry later in the year in championship , Kerry would of won. Now i belive these Dublin lads cant let that happen. Morley was huge in Tralee, Barry was emmense keeping Fenton quite ,this allowed Moran shine. Eamon done same in Croke Park with same result. I admire Fitzmaurice attitude and game plan on Sunday. I liked Gavin talking about having nothing but admiration for the man after a loss, it refreshing compared to the premiership soccer spoilt kid behaviour from their multi millionaire managers. All we know now is we had a great spectacle last week, Now for the championship its game on😊 You are being very selective in what you read. Most analysis I am seeing is saying that the loss to Kerry is the best thing that could have happened to Dublin and it is very much a blessing in disguise. No rationale person is writing dublin off.
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Post by An Bradán on Apr 14, 2017 7:53:34 GMT
In analysing Dublin v Kerry last week the result was not a shock to a lot of Dublin fans. Dublin have played at pedestrian rate a lot of times in the league.Have looked tired too many times. I turned to a Monaghon guy in Clones a few weeks back when we were 5 down and said this teams record will end here and I don't mind. Mentally some players didn't look right. We should of lost against Tyrone and definetly in Tralee. 2014 Dublin v Donegal was a massive shock , we were in our prime and tactically got it wrong. Sunday was different ,this was coming. It was eye of the Tiger stuff from Kerry against a tired looking Dublin team. We won't know where this Dublin team are till August. But what I'm reading over the last week here and in the papers is in the extreme , some of the assessments and crowning of the demise of Dublin and re-emergence of the Kingdom is a far cry from two weeks ago. They say a week is a long in politics, try a Gaa forum. One thing I believe is that if Dublin had of won in extra time last Sunday (which they wouldn't of deserved) had we met Kerry later in the year in championship , Kerry would of won. Now i belive these Dublin lads cant let that happen. Morley was huge in Tralee, Barry was emmense keeping Fenton quite ,this allowed Moran shine. Eamon done same in Croke Park with same result. I admire Fitzmaurice attitude and game plan on Sunday. I liked Gavin talking about having nothing but admiration for the man after a loss, it refreshing compared to the premiership soccer spoilt kid behaviour from their multi millionaire managers. All we know now is we had a great spectacle last week, Now for the championship its game on😊 To be fair Panther the vast majority of GAA fans have most certainly not written off Dublin. Even the overwhelming majority on here haven't either and forums such as this tend to swing from despair to elation in a heartbeat with a lot of mad stuff thrown in too. As for the pundits. Who is actually analysing games anymore. Certainly not the RTE guys who are only interested in soundbytes. Padraig Joyce has spoken about this lately. The levels of matchday analysis are awful and unfortunately this (mis)informs fans opinions. Dubs are stand out #1 Kerry #2 All other contenders such as Tyrone,Mayo, Monaghan and Donegal are very close behind.
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Post by Ballyfireside on Apr 14, 2017 7:57:38 GMT
In analysing Dublin v Kerry last week the result was not a shock to a lot of Dublin fans. Dublin have played at pedestrian rate a lot of times in the league.Have looked tired too many times. I turned to a Monaghon guy in Clones a few weeks back when we were 5 down and said this teams record will end here and I don't mind. Mentally some players didn't look right. We should of lost against Tyrone and definetly in Tralee. 2014 Dublin v Donegal was a massive shock , we were in our prime and tactically got it wrong. Sunday was different ,this was coming. It was eye of the Tiger stuff from Kerry against a tired looking Dublin team. We won't know where this Dublin team are till August. But what I'm reading over the last week here and in the papers is in the extreme , some of the assessments and crowning of the demise of Dublin and re-emergence of the Kingdom is a far cry from two weeks ago. They say a week is a long in politics, try a Gaa forum. One thing I believe is that if Dublin had of won in extra time last Sunday (which they wouldn't of deserved) had we met Kerry later in the year in championship , Kerry would of won. Now i belive these Dublin lads cant let that happen. Morley was huge in Tralee, Barry was emmense keeping Fenton quite ,this allowed Moran shine. Eamon done same in Croke Park with same result. I admire Fitzmaurice attitude and game plan on Sunday. I liked Gavin talking about having nothing but admiration for the man after a loss, it refreshing compared to the premiership soccer spoilt kid behaviour from their multi millionaire managers. All we know now is we had a great spectacle last week, Now for the championship its game on😊 You are being very selective in what you read. Most analysis I am seeing is saying that the loss to Kerry is the best thing that could have happened to Dublin and it is very much a blessing in disguise. No rationale person is writing dublin off. Ah sure we shouldn't have bothered winning at all and another defeat would be great! The win will boost our younger players having beaten this great Dublin team that nobody is writing off but we are entitled to express our belief that we have turned the corner and in a formidable fashion in Croker.
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Post by glengael on Apr 14, 2017 9:41:29 GMT
In analysing Dublin v Kerry last week the result was not a shock to a lot of Dublin fans. Dublin have played at pedestrian rate a lot of times in the league.Have looked tired too many times. I turned to a Monaghon guy in Clones a few weeks back when we were 5 down and said this teams record will end here and I don't mind. Mentally some players didn't look right. We should of lost against Tyrone and definetly in Tralee. 2014 Dublin v Donegal was a massive shock , we were in our prime and tactically got it wrong. Sunday was different ,this was coming. It was eye of the Tiger stuff from Kerry against a tired looking Dublin team. We won't know where this Dublin team are till August. But what I'm reading over the last week here and in the papers is in the extreme , some of the assessments and crowning of the demise of Dublin and re-emergence of the Kingdom is a far cry from two weeks ago. They say a week is a long in politics, try a Gaa forum. One thing I believe is that if Dublin had of won in extra time last Sunday (which they wouldn't of deserved) had we met Kerry later in the year in championship , Kerry would of won. Now i belive these Dublin lads cant let that happen. Morley was huge in Tralee, Barry was emmense keeping Fenton quite ,this allowed Moran shine. Eamon done same in Croke Park with same result. I admire Fitzmaurice attitude and game plan on Sunday. I liked Gavin talking about having nothing but admiration for the man after a loss, it refreshing compared to the premiership soccer spoilt kid behaviour from their multi millionaire managers. All we know now is we had a great spectacle last week, Now for the championship its game on😊 To be fair Panther the vast majority of GAA fans have most certainly not written off Dublin. Even the overwhelming majority on here haven't either and forums such as this tend to swing from despair to elation in a heartbeat with a lot of mad stuff thrown in too. As for the pundits. Who is actually analysing games anymore. Certainly not the RTE guys who are only interested in soundbytes. Padraig Joyce has spoken about this lately. The levels of matchday analysis are awful and unfortunately this (mis)informs fans opinions. Dubs are stand out #1 Kerry #2 All other contenders such as Tyrone,Mayo, Monaghan and Donegal are very close behind. Have you a link or the context to those comments by Padraig Joyce? Sounds interesting. RTE only chase cheap headlines now not analysis. And the new genius in charge of TG4 is getting rid of their sports talk show. You couldn't make it up.
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Post by An Bradán on Apr 14, 2017 10:16:17 GMT
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Post by Jigz84 on Apr 14, 2017 11:04:14 GMT
Kevin Cassidy reckons that Kerry lacked any threat in attack last Sunday ... a peculiar conclusion to reach.
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Post by Mickmack on Apr 14, 2017 11:34:41 GMT
thanks forr posting that An Bradan Feasa
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Post by Control5 on Apr 14, 2017 11:41:54 GMT
You are being very selective in what you read. Most analysis I am seeing is saying that the loss to Kerry is the best thing that could have happened to Dublin and it is very much a blessing in disguise. No rationale person is writing dublin off. Ah sure we shouldn't have bothered winning at all and another defeat would be great! The win will boost our younger players having beaten this great Dublin team that nobody is writing off but we are entitled to express our belief that we have turned the corner and in a formidable fashion in Croker. I think most posters get your belief at this stage. Once is generally enough to make a point. Persistently repeating the same belief in different ways is monotonous, annoying, boring and it turns people off.
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Apr 14, 2017 13:00:13 GMT
Kevin Cassidy reckons that Kerry lacked any threat in attack last Sunday ... a peculiar conclusion to reach. They only scored the twenty points...
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Post by An Bradán on Apr 14, 2017 13:44:47 GMT
Kevin Cassidy reckons that Kerry lacked any threat in attack last Sunday ... a peculiar conclusion to reach. They only scored the twenty points... plus a couple of clear goal chances
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Post by inchperfect on Apr 14, 2017 13:45:33 GMT
We didn't lack an attacking threat last Sunday, especially in the second half. However, we are a bit too reliant on Geaney for my liking. We need James back, the double threat inside of Geaney and O'Donoghue is very hard to defend against.
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Post by fitz on Apr 14, 2017 14:04:27 GMT
Kevin Cassidy reckons that Kerry lacked any threat in attack last Sunday ... a peculiar conclusion to reach. I wonder on context - was it a statement after the game? I can see some correlation to what we were doing for a lot of the first half though, am repeating myself also. If GeaneyP wasn't on for collection, we didn't know what to do with it, hence a pile of turnovers Lacked any threat v 20 points is ludicrous statement. Kevin give me those head phones an get the **c* off my broadcast. Was a fine footballer but (remember the point he got from half way line off standing position with the left to kill Kildare a few years back, last kick of game, amazing score)...but anyway, where are RTE getting these lads from?
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Post by fitz on Apr 14, 2017 14:11:31 GMT
thanks forr posting that An Bradan Feasa Good, solid, rounded opinions. Thanks Pealo ;-)
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Post by kerryexile on Apr 14, 2017 18:31:02 GMT
Very good blog by Padraic Joyce.
Isn't it easy enough to put Brolly in his box?
Kevin Cassidy must have left at half time.
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Post by Ballyfireside on Apr 14, 2017 18:46:04 GMT
Ah sure we shouldn't have bothered winning at all and another defeat would be great! The win will boost our younger players having beaten this great Dublin team that nobody is writing off but we are entitled to express our belief that we have turned the corner and in a formidable fashion in Croker. I think most posters get your belief at this stage. Once is generally enough to make a point. Persistently repeating the same belief in different ways is monotonous, annoying, boring and it turns people off. Is it appropriate to condemn members in public? I recall where a new bogus' member was protected in private. Can't express myself 'in different ways'. Bad form, moreover as a subsequent flurry of comments supported what I was saying.
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Post by Ballyfireside on Apr 14, 2017 18:55:22 GMT
Kevin Cassidy reckons that Kerry lacked any threat in attack last Sunday ... a peculiar conclusion to reach. I wonder on context - was it a statement after the game? I can see some correlation to what we were doing for a lot of the first half though, am repeating myself also. If GeaneyP wasn't on for collection, we didn't know what to do with it, hence a pile of turnovers Lacked any threat v 20 points is ludicrous statement. Kevin give me those head phones an get the **c* off my broadcast. Was a fine footballer but (remember the point he got from half way line off standing position with the left to kill Kildare a few years back, last kick of game, amazing score)...but anyway, where are RTE getting these lads from? Kevin over stepped it with McGuinness and which many argue potentially cost Donegal 2 more Sams, that would be 3 times what Jim won and double their all time tally. That point v Kildare was sublime. From what little I know of Cassidy and which would be hearsay, he doesn't mean to offend -reminds me of the fatality of jockeys giving tips, the thing is that his apparent naivety can be exploited by headline grabbers, just like Dubs laddos before League final trying to boost sales of The Evening Herald. People read to find out things an we are no exception here -people may have out of the ordinary insight to a few subjects and when they it they are condemned because it makes others uncomfortable that there was something they didn't know themselves. Do we communicate to show others how smart we are or to learn from them?
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Post by sullyschoice on Apr 14, 2017 21:34:08 GMT
Information received indicates that Dublin squad had a "behind closed doors" EGM on the monday or tuesday after league final. It was a full blooded exchange of views and certain recriminations were expressed.
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Post by homerj on Apr 14, 2017 23:00:41 GMT
i was speaking to a few Dubs fans before the game and i was told "if Kerry try to play football, Dublin will win easy".
made the win a little bit more special that we beat them, playing nothing but football and indeed, majority of the rough stuff came from their side - Connelly, Philly X 4, Mccarthy, MDMA.
its amazing how cocky and carried away that shower have got after 5 good years, despite the fact that for 35 years before that, they didnt beat us once in championship football and won 1 all ireland from 83 to 2011.
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Post by fitz on Apr 14, 2017 23:08:35 GMT
Information received indicates that Dublin squad had a "behind closed doors" EGM on the monday or tuesday after league final. It was a full blooded exchange of views and certain recriminations were expressed. [/ Hard to know what to make of that. Think such a meeting makes obvious sense for two reasons 1) to address a loss,especially after the run 2) to address losing a final, a title. Maybe they meet after every game, this one just happens to be a bit more intense? Connolly surely would have featured. Indeed, I'd say ultimatums can't be far away, his behaviour is distracting, and upsetting the balance of the team.
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Post by fitz on Apr 14, 2017 23:16:23 GMT
i was speaking to a few Dubs fans before the game and i was told "if Kerry try to play football, Dublin will win easy". made the win a little bit more special that we beat them, playing nothing but football and indeed, majority of the rough stuff came from their side - Connelly, Philly X 4, Mccarthy, MDMA. its amazing how cocky and carried away that shower have got after 5 good years, despite the fact that for 35 years before that, they didnt beat us once in championship football and won 1 all ireland from 83 to 2011. I think that's not a fair reflection of all Dublin fans Homer, there are I'd imagine a good section of gobdaws in our own quarters when push comes to shove. With the population in the Capital and the recent success this last few years, hard for many not to immerse in the cups,and don the invincibility cloak. The lads on here don't get on like that.
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Post by fitz on Apr 14, 2017 23:20:54 GMT
Would we ourselves not have had such loft opinions when it came to playing Cork or Mayo on AI day in noughties? Maybe not expressing such confidence overtly, but having that dominant opinion all the same?
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Post by homerj on Apr 14, 2017 23:29:08 GMT
There have been 27 named for all our league matches. Last weekend both Kerry and Tyrone had 27 in the programme. As far as I am aware number 27 can't be brought on. just on this, i assume that we only named 26 and somebody like O brien wasnt able to play and wasnt officially listed.
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Post by ciarrailar on Apr 15, 2017 0:21:36 GMT
Ah tit for tat again.... Wearysome.... Kicking it off the tee was punished with a yellow card.... Nothing happened in this case... Balance? Tit for tat absolutely. But whats more wearysome is the one eyed stuff you peddle. The implication is that Cluxton manages only by dint of illegality. The yellow card is not worth a fcuk to anyone, because the opposition have succeeded in their intention, slowing down the quick kick out. But I suppose its a back handed compliment to him that some opposition have been reduced to this. There was no inference about Cluxton managing only by illegality but that you somehow find that might infer a little chip on the shoulder. Get over it. I was merely asking a question if anyone else has spotted this .... The implication as you put it is, how would the referee handle this if he spotted it? Turn over the free kick and hop the ball is my opinion.
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Post by ciarrailar on Apr 15, 2017 0:30:14 GMT
I wouldn't rate Monaghan or Donegal as contenders. Why not I think Donegal are a team on the wane post Jimmy McG. They were cut open by Kerry on numerous occasions when we travelled there in the first round. I can't see them getting past Kerry, Mayo, Dublin or Tyrone which is why I don't rate them as contenders. Monaghan haven't shown enough in Championship football outside of Ulster to give much credence to an elusive All Ireland title. Croke Park on Quarter final day will be the end of their journey. Too many teams above them. Kerry, Dublin, Mayo and possibly Tyrone if one of the other three aren't above 90%.....
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Post by kerrybhoy06 on Apr 15, 2017 8:19:52 GMT
When talking about Dublin fans- it's always important to remember that there are about 3 diff types- divided prob evenly enough.
Proper Dublin football fans who go to matches, care about their club and actually understand what's going on. Lapsed Dublin fans who show up for the better matches but still have an interest once things are going well. Absolute clowns who only go along because the premiership isn't on in the summer- haven't a notion about football and drag the rest down- you don't see too many of them at a league game in tralee/Cavan.
The mouthy element come from section 3 mainly and a bit from section 2- using arrogance to mask their lack of knowledge. I know I sound about like Johnny Giles- but the real football men in dub are nearly always sound, reasonable and bit obnoxious- the third category always are and tar the rest.
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Post by skybluezone on Apr 15, 2017 8:24:10 GMT
Tit for tat absolutely. But whats more wearysome is the one eyed stuff you peddle. The implication is that Cluxton manages only by dint of illegality. The yellow card is not worth a fcuk to anyone, because the opposition have succeeded in their intention, slowing down the quick kick out. But I suppose its a back handed compliment to him that some opposition have been reduced to this. There was no inference about Cluxton managing only by illegality but that you somehow find that might infer a little chip on the shoulder. Get over it. I was merely asking a question if anyone else has spotted this .... The implication as you put it is, how would the referee handle this if he spotted it? Turn over the free kick and hop the ball is my opinion. Cluxton is the most analysed player in the history of GAA. Full stop. If he coughs twice some think it's a signal! I think what you are really suggesting is that his quick kick outs give you bother and you are all for stopping this by referring to the "technical infringements" rulebook. There are hundreds of such infringements in every game, eg 4 steps rule, handpass etc. The game would never get started if you were constantly turning over the free kick and hopping the ball as you nicely put it. On another note, there's a piece by Brendan O'Brien in the Examiner yesterday highlighting how the narrative coming into the game last week was all about the cynicism of the top teams, but that after last weeks feast of football, everything is gravy again. Feel free to upload, as again I don't have the skillset!
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