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Post by skybluezone on Apr 15, 2017 8:28:47 GMT
When talking about Dublin fans- it's always important to remember that there are about 3 diff types- divided prob evenly enough. Proper Dublin football fans who go to matches, care about their club and actually understand what's going on. Lapsed Dublin fans who show up for the better matches but still have an interest once things are going well. Absolute clowns who only go along because the premiership isn't on in the summer- haven't a notion about football and drag the rest down- you don't see too many of them at a league game in tralee/Cavan. The mouthy element come from section 3 mainly and a bit from section 2- using arrogance to mask their lack of knowledge. I know I sound about like Johnny Giles- but the real football men in dub are nearly always sound, reasonable and bit obnoxious- the third category always are and tar the rest. Jaysus! I was in Cavan but not Tralee! But I hope I qualify for Section one under the bit obnoxious rule😀
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Post by An Bradán on Apr 15, 2017 9:07:04 GMT
There are staggering levels of arrogance on this forum at times. There are uninformed / fairweather / loyal / offensive supporters everywhere. Clearly some posters don't attend too many club games here in the county with underage games sometimes being the worst.
Personally I cannot abide the orchestrated booing from the Hill which gets a blind eye from commentators and so called pundits. But to categorise Dublin fans into stereotypical blocks is to fail to see that the same lazy categorisation could be applied to Kerry fans too. We mightn't like to be defined in such simplistic terms.
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Post by ciarrailar on Apr 15, 2017 9:55:31 GMT
There was no inference about Cluxton managing only by illegality but that you somehow find that might infer a little chip on the shoulder. Get over it. I was merely asking a question if anyone else has spotted this .... The implication as you put it is, how would the referee handle this if he spotted it? Turn over the free kick and hop the ball is my opinion. Cluxton is the most analysed player in the history of GAA. Full stop. If he coughs twice some think it's a signal! I think what you are really suggesting is that his quick kick outs give you bother and you are all for stopping this by referring to the "technical infringements" rulebook. There are hundreds of such infringements in every game, eg 4 steps rule, handpass etc. The game would never get started if you were constantly turning over the free kick and hopping the ball as you nicely put it. On another note, there's a piece by Brendan O'Brien in the Examiner yesterday highlighting how the narrative coming into the game last week was all about the cynicism of the top teams, but that after last weeks feast of football, everything is gravy again. Feel free to upload, as again I don't have the skillset! Oh get over it.... We don't worry about Cluxton half as much as you think! This wasn't a kick out. It was a free kick where the ball in play was left on the pitch and Cluxton grabbed another one from his post. Simple as that. Cluxton is doing well in the era of a sweeper when teams feel they have to have an extra defender back at all times. This inevitably leaves one man free. I would say over 90% of Cluxton's kick outs are lateral passes to a free man 25 m away on the 20m line. This, even I could do with a 90% success rate for christ's sake.
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Post by Mickmack on Apr 15, 2017 10:27:39 GMT
Information received indicates that Dublin squad had a "behind closed doors" EGM on the monday or tuesday after league final. It was a full blooded exchange of views and certain recriminations were expressed. anyone else have a feeling of deja vu reading sullys post? A couple of years between 2006 and 2009, Kerry losing to Cork in Munster followed by a fractious meeting, a row and then the closing of ranks and they go on to win the All Ireland.
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Post by Mickmack on Apr 15, 2017 10:40:04 GMT
Cluxton is the most analysed player in the history of GAA. Full stop. If he coughs twice some think it's a signal! I think what you are really suggesting is that his quick kick outs give you bother and you are all for stopping this by referring to the "technical infringements" rulebook. There are hundreds of such infringements in every game, eg 4 steps rule, handpass etc. The game would never get started if you were constantly turning over the free kick and hopping the ball as you nicely put it. On another note, there's a piece by Brendan O'Brien in the Examiner yesterday highlighting how the narrative coming into the game last week was all about the cynicism of the top teams, but that after last weeks feast of football, everything is gravy again. Feel free to upload, as again I don't have the skillset! Oh get over it.... We don't worry about Cluxton half as much as you think! This wasn't a kick out. It was a free kick where the ball in play was left on the pitch and Cluxton grabbed another one from his post. Simple as that. Cluxton is doing well in the era of a sweeper when teams feel they have to have an extra defender back at all times. This inevitably leaves one man free. I would say over 90% of Cluxton's kick outs are lateral passes to a free man 25 m away on the 20m line. This, even I could do with a 90% success rate for christ's sake. ciarrailar... is there a specific rule that says that a kickout can be taken with a "new" ball to the one that was in play? I was watching Cluxton after Geaney was taking a "simple tap over free" to quote Wheesie, and he wasnt far short of having another ball in his hands to take the kickout. He has changed the way the game is played more than any other in recent years. Kerry have a way to go still to limit his effectiveness, if its possible to do so. I admire the hoor!
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Post by ciarrailar on Apr 15, 2017 11:03:55 GMT
Oh get over it.... We don't worry about Cluxton half as much as you think! This wasn't a kick out. It was a free kick where the ball in play was left on the pitch and Cluxton grabbed another one from his post. Simple as that. Cluxton is doing well in the era of a sweeper when teams feel they have to have an extra defender back at all times. This inevitably leaves one man free. I would say over 90% of Cluxton's kick outs are lateral passes to a free man 25 m away on the 20m line. This, even I could do with a 90% success rate for christ's sake. ciarrailar... is there a specific rule that says that a kickout can be taken with a "new" ball to the one that was in play? I was watching Cluxton after Geaney was taking a "simple tap over free" to quote Wheesie, and he wasnt far short of having another ball in his hands to take the kickout. He has changed the way the game is played more than any other in recent years. Kerry have a way to go still to limit his effectiveness, if its possible to do so. I admire the hoor! No... There's nothing stopping him from restarting play with a new ball once the other ball has gone out of play. Technically he is supposed to wait for the referee to whistle or give a signal to restart play but I haven't seen many refs pull keepers on this..... The instance I was referring to though.... The ball hadn't gone out of play. Dublin were awarded a free kick and Cluxton, rather than waiting for someone to get the other ball, ran back and grabbed another ball and took the free with this while the other ball was still in play. This could have been pulled back and the free ordered to be retaken with the other ball off the field of play or if the ref was sticky, overturn the free and hop the ball for Cluxton purposely doing something illegal to gain an advantage. I was just wondering if anyone else had noticed this?
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Post by thebluepanther on Apr 15, 2017 12:33:43 GMT
When talking about Dublin fans- it's always important to remember that there are about 3 diff types- divided prob evenly enough. Proper Dublin football fans who go to matches, care about their club and actually understand what's going on. Lapsed Dublin fans who show up for the better matches but still have an interest once things are going well. Absolute clowns who only go along because the premiership isn't on in the summer- haven't a notion about football and drag the rest down- you don't see too many of them at a league game in tralee/Cavan. The mouthy element come from section 3 mainly and a bit from section 2- using arrogance to mask their lack of knowledge. I know I sound about like Johnny Giles- but the real football men in dub are nearly always sound, reasonable and bit obnoxious- the third category always are and tar the rest. 3 types of Dublin fan Kerrybhoy, out of curiosity how many types would Kerry have.
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Post by tpo on Apr 15, 2017 12:53:36 GMT
1 type, one former manager described them best
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Post by kerryboy83 on Apr 15, 2017 12:58:21 GMT
I'm sure it's up here already, but what's the story with Johnny Cooper? Has he a long term injury
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Post by keane on Apr 15, 2017 13:59:32 GMT
Anyone who tells you there isn't a large number of Kerry fans who are clowns at games is probably a clown himself.
Source: am occasionally a major clown at games
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Post by onlykerry on Apr 15, 2017 14:10:11 GMT
Anyone who tells you there isn't a large number of Kerry fans who are clowns at games is probably a clown himself. Source: am occasionally a major clown at games Passion and rose tinted glasses are the main ingredients and seems to be the main requirement to follow a team over a prolonged period of time. When mixed in real time can be volatile ......
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Post by Ballyfireside on Apr 15, 2017 15:14:39 GMT
Information received indicates that Dublin squad had a "behind closed doors" EGM on the monday or tuesday after league final. It was a full blooded exchange of views and certain recriminations were expressed. anyone else have a feeling of deja vu reading sullys post? A couple of years between 2006 and 2009, Kerry losing to Cork in Munster followed by a fractious meeting, a row and then the closing of ranks and they go on to win the All Ireland. Today's Indo - Tomás Ó Sé: For how long can Dubs rely on their leaders?
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Post by Ballyfireside on Apr 15, 2017 15:18:49 GMT
There was no inference about Cluxton managing only by illegality but that you somehow find that might infer a little chip on the shoulder. Get over it. I was merely asking a question if anyone else has spotted this .... The implication as you put it is, how would the referee handle this if he spotted it? Turn over the free kick and hop the ball is my opinion. Cluxton is the most analysed player in the history of GAA. Full stop. If he coughs twice some think it's a signal! I think what you are really suggesting is that his quick kick outs give you bother and you are all for stopping this by referring to the "technical infringements" rulebook. There are hundreds of such infringements in every game, eg 4 steps rule, handpass etc. The game would never get started if you were constantly turning over the free kick and hopping the ball as you nicely put it. On another note, there's a piece by Brendan O'Brien in the Examiner yesterday highlighting how the narrative coming into the game last week was all about the cynicism of the top teams, but that after last weeks feast of football, everything is gravy again. Feel free to upload, as again I don't have the skillset! Clux has transformed the role of goalie and uses his 'free time' wisely thinking ahead, so he will rouse attention.
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Post by MrRasherstoyou on Apr 16, 2017 1:23:27 GMT
anyone else have a feeling of deja vu reading sullys post? A couple of years between 2006 and 2009, Kerry losing to Cork in Munster followed by a fractious meeting, a row and then the closing of ranks and they go on to win the All Ireland. Today's Indo - Tomás Ó Sé: For how long can Dubs rely on their leaders?Good piece. But "we"? I sometimes struggle to know how the Indo is still considered as a national paper, laughable the bias in it. Anyway good man Tomas, keep hammering that hammer.
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Post by MrRasherstoyou on Apr 16, 2017 1:39:44 GMT
I'm sure it's up here already, but what's the story with Johnny Cooper? Has he a long term injury Likely to still be out for another 8 weeks. Haven't heard what the injury is.
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Post by jackiel on Apr 16, 2017 10:21:09 GMT
He has been helping out doing the stats the last few matches.
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Post by dubaroo on Apr 16, 2017 11:35:52 GMT
I'm sure it's up here already, but what's the story with Johnny Cooper? Has he a long term injury Likely to still be out for another 8 weeks. Haven't heard what the injury is. He rolled over on his ankle during a v b match earlier in the league. He was training up in Phillys gym with John Small on Saturday though and looked limber enough. Be back for championship if he can wrestle the jersey of Mick Fits
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Post by sullyschoice on Apr 16, 2017 14:13:02 GMT
Likely to still be out for another 8 weeks. Haven't heard what the injury is. He rolled over on his ankle during a v b match earlier in the league. He was training up in Phillys gym with John Small on Saturday though and looked limber enough. Be back for championship if he can wrestle the jersey of Mick Fits Is John Small out longterm. I heard he tore the hammer off the bone down in Tralee.
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Post by dubaroo on Apr 16, 2017 14:46:43 GMT
He rolled over on his ankle during a v b match earlier in the league. He was training up in Phillys gym with John Small on Saturday though and looked limber enough. Be back for championship if he can wrestle the jersey of Mick Fits Is John Small out longterm. I heard he tore the hammer off the bone down in Tralee. He did his hamstring ye but he too is back training now. They both did the full conditioning class on Sat morn
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Post by kerryboy83 on Apr 16, 2017 21:17:26 GMT
I'm sure it's up here already, but what's the story with Johnny Cooper? Has he a long term injury Likely to still be out for another 8 weeks. Haven't heard what the injury is. THanks rashers. I would imagine if is he fully fit, he will slot straight back into the starting team
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Post by MrRasherstoyou on Apr 17, 2017 3:32:52 GMT
Likely to still be out for another 8 weeks. Haven't heard what the injury is. THanks rashers. I would imagine if is he fully fit, he will slot straight back into the starting team Full-back line looks to be, if all fit, Mick Fitz, McMahon, Johnny. Davy Byrne probably still first sub. Half-backs harder to call, if and when Johnny Small is back. COS was an automatic choice but after the All-I final, and subsequently the league, there is some question about that. There's an argument for CK to go there but given we have struggled in attack I can't see how we can spare him. But if JS is in better form than COS, then we need a player to be sweeper, and the only other one who has the required ability for me would be CK. That's assuming Jack Flash wouldn't be handed the role which seems highly unlikely, though you just never know with Gavin. Another aspect to the whole thing is that Jack might possibly considered for a half-forward berth, though again unlikely as he does far better coming from deep. Midfield is another issue, with McCauley not able for 70 minutes it seems, and Fenton needing real support. Is it too late now for Gavin to try O'Conghaile or Carthy? Even if not, are they good enough? Flynner would be a good option but he didn't go well in the league final, so................ The other possibility is CK to midfield. But that leaves us struggling with the forwards, especially if Flynn not up to it anymore.
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Post by Mickmack on Apr 17, 2017 11:03:00 GMT
no mention of Ciaran Reddin....cant understand that.
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Post by Mickmack on Apr 17, 2017 22:19:02 GMT
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Post by MrRasherstoyou on Apr 19, 2017 1:19:42 GMT
Reddin has a role but I don't see him as a grinder around the middle, Fenton isn't that either, so assuming Bryan has to retain his place, assuming Basick is as good as gone, there needs to be a MCauley, a Flynn or CK with Fenton. Unless COS goes back there. Reddin possibly a role at half-forward, otherwise substitute
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Post by ardfertnarrie on Apr 24, 2017 11:10:45 GMT
Serious contenders Tyrone Mayo Monaghan Donegal Dublin Kerry Tyrone? Really?
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Post by onlykerry on Apr 24, 2017 11:15:15 GMT
Reddin has a role but I don't see him as a grinder around the middle, Fenton isn't that either, so assuming Bryan has to retain his place, assuming Basick is as good as gone, there needs to be a MCauley, a Flynn or CK with Fenton. Unless COS goes back there. Reddin possibly a role at half-forward, otherwise substitute Rashers - I note your love of the Navy and Blue flags. How do you feel about the way the corporate blue of your main sponsors is now the dominant colour on your jerseys?
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Post by An Bradán on Apr 24, 2017 16:54:33 GMT
Serious contenders Tyrone Mayo Monaghan Donegal Dublin Kerry Tyrone? Really? Yes. Why not ? Discount the performance in Killarney. I expect them to be in the mix without necessarily winning. There could be one huge performance in them to take a bigger dog out. Wouldn't be the first time. A lack of cutting edge will probably mean an even greater emphasis on defence this year. Can you replace them with another team Ardfert ?
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Post by ardfertnarrie on Apr 25, 2017 8:57:36 GMT
Yes. Why not ? Discount the performance in Killarney. I expect them to be in the mix without necessarily winning. There could be one huge performance in them to take a bigger dog out. Wouldn't be the first time. A lack of cutting edge will probably mean an even greater emphasis on defence this year. Can you replace them with another team Ardfert ? No. I'd just leave them out completely.
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Post by gamechanger10 on Apr 25, 2017 9:39:01 GMT
To be fair any of those teams are capable of taking out one of the supposed top three. Tyrone had a no show in Killarney and while Kerry played a very fast kick passing game that stretched their defensive structure to the limits they still looked like a disinterested team that Sunday. Tyrone will always bring that never lie down spirit and they simple didn't function that day so I would be loath to think that will be their attitude in August or September if they make the final. Tyrone have scarred Kerry on big days in Croke Park in the last decade or so I can't imagine we will be complacent if we meet later in the year.
If the dubs meet them in the semifinal I can guarantee you that they will be expecting a testing day at HQ. Other teams that could bite someone in the arse are Galway or Tipperary, Cork look to be in free fall at the moment but if we cross swords in the Munster final I can't imagine the blood and bandage will simply lie down, the local derby ingredient will always have a little sulphur.
Mayo are a treacherous team to meet in August or September and perhaps if Galway manage to bag them in Salthill they will drop into the shark tank and prove very dangerous for whoever gets them in the quarters. If this happens could they meet the Dubs on the other side od the draw ?? I think they can and if so they would be a nightmare for Dublin, they beat them in the final last year and humiliated them this year in the league, now for me that is a dangerous game for Dublin and I would fancy Mayo to turn them over. It's good to see a few more teams building and will be good for championship football going forward.
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Post by kerrygold on Apr 25, 2017 10:29:14 GMT
Hard to see Tyrone being a serious player in this years championship. I'll be surprised if they win the Ulster championship. No attacking game and still totally reliant on Sean Cavanagh who is well in decline as a county footballer.
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