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Post by kerrygold on Feb 15, 2017 10:37:24 GMT
You wouldn't have expected to see both Vincents and Corofin going out of the championship at the semi final stage. A big opportunity for both finalists now to win one.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2017 14:23:59 GMT
I thought Ambrose O'Donovan was immense last Sunday, he stood up big time. He may not be the best technically but adds great balance to the team in terms of physicality and bite. He can play as well mind. It was the first time I watched Gooch play and sadly thought he looked like an old player. The class is still there but you see it only in patches rather than throughout the game. I thought he struggled with the pace of the game and consequently impose himself. His passing was waywards at times but can still pick out passes like no other (ie. the pass to Daithi Casey for the goal). He still had an influence but not as central as before. I am not being critical just an observation. He was never the same player after his injury smokey. I have been watching Gooch a long time and his movement off that knee wasn't the same. He also lost a bit of pace. His game was turning on that knee in a split second and using his pace to get away from his marker. That's what made him great was his movement and vision. He's still worth his place of course but sadly injuries and age has caught up with him. I think he'll play with Kerry this year but that will be it .
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Post by Premier on Feb 15, 2017 14:50:37 GMT
I thought Ambrose O'Donovan was immense last Sunday, he stood up big time. He may not be the best technically but adds great balance to the team in terms of physicality and bite. He can play as well mind. It was the first time I watched Gooch play and sadly thought he looked like an old player. The class is still there but you see it only in patches rather than throughout the game. I thought he struggled with the pace of the game and consequently impose himself. His passing was waywards at times but can still pick out passes like no other (ie. the pass to Daithi Casey for the goal). He still had an influence but not as central as before. I am not being critical just an observation. He was never the same player after his injury smokey. I have been watching Gooch a long time and his movement off that knee wasn't the same. He also lost a bit of pace. His game was turning on that knee in a split second and using his pace to get away from his marker. That's what made him great was his movement and vision. He's still worth his place of course but sadly injuries and age has caught up with him. I think he'll play with Kerry this year but that will be it . I wouldn't be writing him off just yet. This is still the same player that only months ago absolutely ran the county final to his own tune. I know he might have seemed a bit peipheral but I think that was down to other players wanting to get the ball to Kieran O'Leary cause he was causing wreck
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Post by kerrygold on Feb 15, 2017 15:12:44 GMT
He was too quiet in the first 25 minutes of the semi final last weekend for this to be attributed to age/injury catching up with him all of a sudden. I think we'll see a different Gooch on Paddys Day!
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Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2017 15:31:11 GMT
I'm not writing anyone off . I talked to him a couple of weeks ago and I think this will be his last year. Absolutely his knee is not the same as it was and he has lost pace . He's 34 . He has slowed down a bit. He's still a great player and I'm sure he'll play with Crokes for another 3 or 4 years. But there is a difference there.
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Post by Mickmack on Feb 15, 2017 18:26:12 GMT
Twas a pity that he was started in the 2015 final...enabling Philly to make a name for himself. Colm wasn't near right. Even worse that Paul geaney didn't start.
A club final medal would bookend colms career. He might leave it at that.
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Post by clarinman on Feb 16, 2017 9:22:16 GMT
Twas a pity that he was started in the 2015 final...enabling Philly to make a name for himself. Colm wasn't near right. Even worse that Paul geaney didn't start. A club final medal would bookend colms career. He might leave it at that. Paul Geaney started at full forward in the 2015 final.
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Post by kerrygold on Feb 16, 2017 10:28:16 GMT
Philly McMahon has a lot going for him. An uncompromising corner back belonging to brand Dublin Gaa football team, multiple All-Ireland winner and the owner of a number of businesses. Fair play to Philly McMahon, I'd salute him rather than belittle the man. It is what playing inter county football should be all about. Grabbing the opportunities with both hands.
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Post by Mickmack on Feb 16, 2017 10:49:50 GMT
Twas a pity that he was started in the 2015 final...enabling Philly to make a name for himself. Colm wasn't near right. Even worse that Paul geaney didn't start. A club final medal would bookend colms career. He might leave it at that. Paul Geaney started at full forward in the 2015 final. Sorry... He didn't finish that final. Donaghy didn't start. Philly was 27 years of age in 2015. About time he stepped up to the plate. He was clearly footballer of the year that year but twas marking colm made him his name and he dined well on that
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Post by MrRasherstoyou on Feb 16, 2017 11:10:46 GMT
Paul Geaney started at full forward in the 2015 final. Sorry... He didn't finish that final. Donaghy didn't start. Philly was 27 years of age in 2015. About time he stepped up to the plate. He was clearly footballer of the year that year but twas marking colm made him his name and he dined well on that Philly McMahon will never be the golden all-time beloved great that Gooch has been, but it's pure begrudgery to dismiss his achievements to date as what you have posted. I can't think of anyone who thought Gooch was anywhere near his best that day, least of all I'm sure McMahon himself. Kerry had a stinker collectively, and Dublin dominated the game, simple as. In 2011 Gooch played brilliantly, and one of his best scores after doing Philly up like a kipper. McMahon did an unheralded job in a defence that had been written off by most people, supplemented by withdrawn half forwards. In 2013 Dublin's defence was continuously denigrated but McMahon became increasingly influential, and did a great job Vs Mayo. 2014 All-I semi not his finest hour. 2015 semi-final, and replay were the games that marked him out as a really top player of multiple talents. The final was icing on the cake, no more or less, but the performances against most people's predictions on AOS, especially after ROC got injured, and in 2016 in the total absence of the best full back we've had in arguably 30 years or more he was heroic.
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Post by MrRasherstoyou on Feb 16, 2017 11:13:39 GMT
You wouldn't have expected to see both Vincents and Corofin going out of the championship at the semi final stage. A big opportunity for both finalists now to win one. Crokes strong favourites in fairness. Gooch will crown that great career
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Post by MrRasherstoyou on Feb 16, 2017 11:16:09 GMT
Philly McMahon has a lot going for him. An compromising corner back belonging to brand Dublin Gaa football team, multiple All-Ireland winner and the owner of a number of businesses. Fair play to Philly McMahon, I'd salute him rather than belittle the man. It is what playing inter county football should be all about. Grabbing the opportunities with both hands. Possibly the most clever put-down or dismissal of a 'player' I've read in a while. Long may the unpure of Ballymun get up yer purist nose.
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Post by keane on Feb 16, 2017 11:32:47 GMT
He's a class player, but he bites and eye-gouges.
I don't think it's unreasonable to be ambivalent about him, in fact not being ambivalent is probably the unreasonable position.
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Post by kerrygold on Feb 16, 2017 11:37:57 GMT
Philly McMahon has a lot going for him. An compromising corner back belonging to brand Dublin Gaa football team, multiple All-Ireland winner and the owner of a number of businesses. Fair play to Philly McMahon, I'd salute him rather than belittle the man. It is what playing inter county football should be all about. Grabbing the opportunities with both hands. Possibly the most clever put-down or dismissal of a 'player' I've read in a while. Long may the unpure of Ballymun get up yer purist nose. Sad response to a genuine post.
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Post by MrRasherstoyou on Feb 16, 2017 11:40:19 GMT
He's a class player, but he bites and eye-gouges. I don't think it's unreasonable to be ambivalent about him, in fact not being ambivalent is probably the unreasonable position. Nothing ambivalent about the comments about him above. Those are dismissing his football abilities/achievements, as an individual player
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Post by MrRasherstoyou on Feb 16, 2017 11:43:09 GMT
Possibly the most clever put-down or dismissal of a 'player' I've read in a while. Long may the unpure of Ballymun get up yer purist nose. Sad response to a genuine post. But really, do you think he's no more than just grabbing opportunities? That's good, keep it up
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Feb 16, 2017 11:43:58 GMT
I think he should have been FOTY in 2015.
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Post by kerrygold on Feb 16, 2017 11:45:45 GMT
Sad response to a genuine post. Sad attempt to be cute about being insulting, and deny it. Anyway, it makes me happy because it must be very effective if it generates this sort of condescension. Be happy away then.
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Post by MrRasherstoyou on Feb 16, 2017 11:48:36 GMT
I think he should have been FOTY in 2015. Unlike the people's champion Leeroy in 2016, he mostly played with the ball but seemingly that's not enough, and seemingly poor Leeroy was unfairly treated. You couldn't make it up
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Post by MrRasherstoyou on Feb 16, 2017 11:50:21 GMT
Sad attempt to be cute about being insulting, and deny it. Anyway, it makes me happy because it must be very effective if it generates this sort of condescension. Be happy away then. Fancy a few shares in a fitness company? I think the market may have peaked
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Post by kerrygold on Feb 16, 2017 11:53:28 GMT
Fancy a few shares in a fitness company? I think the market may have peaked No thanks, I don't have an eye for shares.
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Feb 16, 2017 11:53:29 GMT
I think he should have been FOTY in 2015. Unlike the people's champion Leeroy in 2016, he mostly played with the ball but seemingly that's not enough, and seemingly poor Leeroy was unfairly treated. You couldn't make it up That is a completely unnecessary comment. Are you suggesting that McMahon was a clean player in 2015 and Keegan did nothing with the ball in 2016? You've lost the plot. How was Keegan unfairly treated?
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Post by MrRasherstoyou on Feb 16, 2017 12:05:34 GMT
Unlike the people's champion Leeroy in 2016, he mostly played with the ball but seemingly that's not enough, and seemingly poor Leeroy was unfairly treated. You couldn't make it up That is a completely unnecessary comment. Are you suggesting that McMahon was a clean player in 2015 and Keegan did nothing with the ball in 2016? You've lost the plot. How was Keegan unfairly treated? Jaysus how many things can one person pick.up wrongly in one post! The point was McM didn't win POTY because so many people said he was so dirty, whilst so many last year claimed poor Lee was hard done by. I was pointing out that McM did more with the ball than LK because he didn't spend large parts of two games literally hanging out of, and wrestling with an opponent. It's a given that McM does some bad stuff(often exaggerated), and LK does great things as player. But if you cant see the irony of LK being lauded and defended as 'hard done by', and McM being derided, then actually you're right, I must be losing the plot. And by the way. Since when did you start indulging in all the posting against the poster, not the post stuff? You used to be the most respectful poster on here
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Feb 16, 2017 12:09:42 GMT
That is a completely unnecessary comment. Are you suggesting that McMahon was a clean player in 2015 and Keegan did nothing with the ball in 2016? You've lost the plot. How was Keegan unfairly treated? Jaysus how many things can one person pick.up wrongly in one post! The point was McM didn't win POTY because so many people said he was so dirty, whilst so many last year claimed poor Lee was hard done by. I was pointing out that McM did more with the ball than LK because he didn't spend large parts of two games literally hanging out of, and wrestling with an opponent. It's a given that McM does some bad stuff(often exaggerated), and LK does great things as player. But if you cant see the irony of LK being lauded and defended as 'hard done by', and McM being derided, then actually you're right, I must be losing the plot. And by the way. Since when did you start indulging in all the posting against the poster, not the post stuff? You used to be the most respectful poster on here ...but I said I think McMahon should have won. I can't remember this poor Keegan is hard done by stuff at all to be honest. I agree that Keegan does a lot off the ball --- and a lot on the ball --- like McMahon --- and that McMahon should have been FOTY. I am sick of the nonsense peddled by some people on here and no longer read their posts. You have been going a similar way despite years of excellent stuff. You have to accept and fight against your own bias a little more.
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Post by MrRasherstoyou on Feb 16, 2017 12:23:22 GMT
Jaysus how many things can one person pick.up wrongly in one post! The point was McM didn't win POTY because so many people said he was so dirty, whilst so many last year claimed poor Lee was hard done by. I was pointing out that McM did more with the ball than LK because he didn't spend large parts of two games literally hanging out of, and wrestling with an opponent. It's a given that McM does some bad stuff(often exaggerated), and LK does great things as player. But if you cant see the irony of LK being lauded and defended as 'hard done by', and McM being derided, then actually you're right, I must be losing the plot. And by the way. Since when did you start indulging in all the posting against the poster, not the post stuff? You used to be the most respectful poster on here ...but I said I think McMahon should have won. I can't remember this poor Keegan is hard done by stuff at all to be honest. I agree that Keegan does a lot off the ball --- and a lot on the ball --- like McMahon --- and that McMahon should have been FOTY. I am sick of the nonsense peddled by some people on here and no longer read their posts. You have been going a similar way despite years of excellent stuff. You have to accept and fight against your own bias a little more. It's a small piece of balance. And it's a non-simplistic viewpoint. People like what they want to believe. Keegan is widely admired, openly. McM is widely not openly admired. One got the award, the other didn't. Make your own mind up. Why wouldn't I be defensive about it, it's bias against McM, in comparison to Keegan. And it reflects a certain general similar bias. AOS claiming in media after a game that McM headbutted him when in fact AOS pulled McM into him, AND there was no contact. But this only disappointed those who want to read what they want to hear. McM is well able to look after himself but I just can't stand constant bias. No matter who it's for, or against. It's not just McM either. And in case you forgot, I always stuck up for Galvin, so I make no apologies for saying what I believe. And my comments were aimed at posts by other posters. You got involved
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Post by keane on Feb 16, 2017 12:25:49 GMT
Nothing ambivalent about the comments about him above. Those are dismissing his football abilities/achievements, as an individual player If you just want to pick out the bits you don't like it's your call, but one of the posts you are crying about says that the guy was the clear Footballer of the Year in 2015. That's a position I agree with and one that I've seen posted here a lot by the way. I think the other post has a typo and is intending to describe him as 'an uncompromising corner back' rather than 'an compromising' one.
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Post by kerrygold on Feb 16, 2017 12:30:58 GMT
Nothing ambivalent about the comments about him above. Those are dismissing his football abilities/achievements, as an individual player If you just want to pick out the bits you don't like it's your call, but one of the posts you are crying about says that the guy was the clear Footballer of the Year in 2015. That's a position I agree with and one that I've seen posted here a lot by the way. I think the other post has a typo and is intending to describe him as 'an uncompromising corner back' rather than 'an compromising' one. Cheers Keane, amended.
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Post by Mickmack on Feb 16, 2017 12:35:53 GMT
Look at what colm had done by the age of 27. He was 27 in 2010 I think. Philly was only really arriving at 27. I would fancy my chances against colm in that 2015 final. It was madness to select him after his horrific injuries that would have finished lesser men. And Philly dined out on it.
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Post by keane on Feb 16, 2017 12:53:20 GMT
Look at what colm had done by the age of 27. He was 27 in 2010 I think. Philly was only really arriving at 27. I would fancy my chances against colm in that 2015 final. It was madness to select him after his horrific injuries that would have finished lesser men. And Philly dined out on it. What do you mean he dined out on it?
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Post by Mickmack on Feb 16, 2017 13:16:10 GMT
Look at what colm had done by the age of 27. He was 27 in 2010 I think. Philly was only really arriving at 27. I would fancy my chances against colm in that 2015 final. It was madness to select him after his horrific injuries that would have finished lesser men. And Philly dined out on it. What do you mean he dined out on it? All the post match interviews, tv appearances, articles...blah blah blah...The man who outscored the gooch in an all Ireland final.
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