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Post by Deleted on Mar 20, 2017 16:54:17 GMT
"The end of this game was a ringer for the finale to Kerry’s 2007 All-Ireland semi-final win over Dublin, the common denominator being Pat O’Shea. Afterwards, GAA statistician James Robinson revealed that Slaughtneil had just two possessions and controlled the ball for approximately 50 seconds from their final score in the 53rd minute until the final whistle over 10 minutes later. Whatever anyone may think of how they secured their second All-Ireland crown, that’s a remarkable feat by Dr Crokes."
What crokes have been doing for a long time. The composure on the ball is brilliant something that many kerry senior players fail at.
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Post by kerryexile on Mar 23, 2017 9:22:12 GMT
This is an interesting article by David McWilliams which is spot on.
How sliotar replaced the rugby ball for middle-class
My first memory of going to a “big match” in a proper stadium is St Patrick’s Day 1976. I went with thousands of locals from around Dun Laoghaire to see CBC Monkstown in the Schools’ Senior Cup at Lansdowne Road.
CBC, the local school, was not a posh school but it was a rugby school. Back then, the “known world” to my nine-year-old self was the coastal stretch from Blackrock baths as far as the ramparts in Dalkey. It was a rugby and football place. By football I mean soccer, not GAA. And nobody played hurling here.
Had you told us that a Dalkey team would be All Ireland hurling champions, we’d have laughed at you.
For us, hurling was a dangerous game played by fellas from the country. It was the foreign game. Football was our first love and rugby came second. While some of us may have played GAA in national school, GAA’s roots were not deep here. Sure it was always played here, but for us, the FA Cup was a much bigger day than the All Ireland football final. Whatever about football, hurling never figured. Even most national schools, run by GAA-mad teachers, didn’t attempt hurling with only a tiny minority daring to champion the game. These lads were usually the sons of hurling obsessives who brought hurling up to Dublin when they left home to find work in the capital.
In fact, you could say that back then sport was genetic. You played what your dad played. The only devotee of GAA on our road was one Des Cahill who tried repeatedly to convert us from soccer and rugby to GAA with no success. Des’ father was the principal of the local national school.
In the early 1950s, my dad co-founded Dalkey United, and so my sport was soccer. Both cultures lived in harmony side by side but soccer was king.
In the 1970s and 1980s, Dalkey United shared its ground with a small GAA club called Cuala. Dalkey United was the senior partner in the shared ground. In fact, Dalkey — the soccer club — actually “gave”Cuala the extra pitch beside it out of sympathy for the GAA club, which in the 1960s didn’t have a permanent pitch.
Fast-forward to today and Cuala, the small GAA club of my memory, is ubiquitous in this former rugby and soccer stronghold. There are Cuala red and white flags everywhere from Monkstown to Dalkey. Cuala is the first Dublin club to reach the All Ireland hurling club final and what’s more, Cuala are now champions! There is a real buzz around the club getting into the final. People who wouldn’t know one end of a sliothar from the other are talking hurling. It’s a brilliant success story. And guess who is a big wig at the Cuala GAA club? Well, the very same Des Cahill, RTE’s ballroom dancer, who failed to convert us to GAA in the ’80s.
But how did this happen? How did hurling get a toehold in deepest south Dublin? How did the national school I went to, Johnstown National School, which didn’t have a hurling team in the 1970s and 80s, end up providing seven of the first XV for the Cuala team that played in Croke park yesterday?
More interestingly, from a cultural perspective, how did the middle class in this neck of the woods end up having to make a choice between the RDS Stadium and Croke Park on St Patrick’s Day?
Yesterday’s choice was between the Rugby Schools’ Senior Cup, the traditional middle class St Patrick’s game in this part of the world — Blackrock versus Belvedere — and the new middle class sport here of hurling and the club final between Dalkey’s Cuala and Balyea of Clare.
I am interested in the economic and demographic forces that have played out in coastal south Dublin in the past few decades. These forces have changed the cultural composition of the population and have manifested in the emergence of hurling as a significant cultural force here.
To understand this, we have to understand that the last two or three decades have been a time of enormous social upheaval in middle class Dublin. The main force has been the emergence of a rural professional class that has come to dominate Dublin’s professions.
These upwardly socially mobile punters from the country are the major winners in the Irish professional meritocracies of medicine, the higher levels of the civil service, the law, accountancy and banking. The failed bankers of Ireland were dismissed as “not very bright rugby players”in the boom, but if you care to look forensically at the backgrounds of the major players in the banking collapse, you will see far more fingerprints of Christian Brothers’ boys on the make, with corporate boxes in Croke Park, then the more-easy-to-lampoon south-side rugby jocks.
So what’s going on?
Like all cultural phenomena, the rise in hurling in alien territory has a major economic dimension to it. The main economic factor behind rise in hurling in coastal south Dublin can be traced to the 1960s and free education.
The class that benefitted most from free education in the 1960s and 1970s was not, as you might imagine, the industrial working class, but the small farming class. It is their grandsons now playing hurling in south Dublin.
A few years ago, two economists — Damian Hannan and Patrick Commins — wrote a paper called the ‘The Significance of Small Scale Landholders in Ireland’s Socio-Economic Transformation’. If anyone wants to understand the economics and the social patchwork that is Ireland today and why south Dublin plays hurling, this paper is invaluable.
The writers chart the extraordinary success of the sons of Ireland’s small farmers in the social revolution of the past few decades.
Mr Hannan and Mr Commins found, astonishingly, that the single most important determinant, on a county-by-county basis, of a county’s educational achievement in the 1960s and 1970s was the number of small farmers in each county. This is quite extraordinary and unique to this country.
The more small farmers in a county, the better educated the children were and the better they did in their Leaving Cert. They even found that the single most successful subsection of the Irish population was the children of small farmers in East Galway, the home of hurling in Connacht.
Compared to their urban, working-class counterparts, 30pc more children of small farmers did the Leaving Cert and 50pc more went on to third-level education.
They turned into the teacher aristocracy, bringing with them to Dublin a love of the GAA, squeezeboxes and Farah slacks. Their success in education also catapulted them into the public service in great numbers. Now they are retiring as the best-paid public servants in Europe. Their kids have gone up a notch on the social hierarchy to become doctors and lawyers. Some of them have adopted rugby, the sport of the old hierarchy, but they have also kept their allegiance to the GAA.
So as they bought houses in the coastal parts of south Dublin, they joined GAA clubs, not rugby or soccer clubs, leading to an explosion of GAA in this part of the world. As is so often the case in economics, the law of unintended consequences plays out. The unintended consequence of free education and related upward mobility is that Dalkey are All-Ireland champions. There won’t be a cow milked in Dalkey tonight…
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Mar 23, 2017 9:45:45 GMT
My brothers' and sister's grandfather came from Clare to Clontarf a long time ago.
He was a principal --- maybe vice --- in a secondary school close to Vinnies.
He imbued his son with a love of hurling. His son does some coaching with a Clontarf senior hurling team.
His grandsons, my brothers, play underage football and hurling with Clontarf --- and rugby with their school.
But indeed, it all started in Clare.
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Post by Jo90 on Mar 23, 2017 14:41:16 GMT
I see Eir Sport has gotten rights to club games starting with the 17/18 season. This hasn't gotten even .1% the future the Sky Sports deal got.
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Post by jackiel on Mar 23, 2017 15:00:25 GMT
I see Eir Sport has gotten rights to club games starting with the 17/18 season. This hasn't gotten even .1% the future the Sky Sports deal got. I saw that earlier alright, not impressed, that's more matches I won't be able to watch.
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Post by buck02 on Mar 23, 2017 15:25:29 GMT
I see Eir Sport has gotten rights to club games starting with the 17/18 season. This hasn't gotten even .1% the future the Sky Sports deal got. From what I understand TG4 will continue to have the rights and will have the first choice on what club games to show. Eir will show early rounds of club championships during the summer and county finals, provincial championship games not on TG4. So basically there is more GAA on TV which will still be seen as a bad thing by the usual peddlers of doom and gloom. Expect more CAP LOCKS.
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Post by kerrygold on Mar 23, 2017 15:54:52 GMT
Great development to have access to extra games that wouldn't be shown otherwise. Cant wait to reach for the credit card when the Kilkenny county football final comes around.
No issue with NFL and extra club games shown on tv live as pay per view. The issue is with inter county championship games being taken away from the vast majority of grassroots GAA people under the SKY deal.
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Post by buck02 on Mar 23, 2017 17:19:00 GMT
Great development to have access to extra games that wouldn't be shown otherwise. Cant wait to reach for the credit card when the Kilkenny county football final comes around.
No issue with NFL and extra club games shown on tv live as pay per view. The issue is with inter county championship games being taken away from the vast majority of grassroots GAA people under the SKY deal. What about all the sick people in the hospital in Kilkenny who wont be able to see the County Football final cos its on Eir. Not to mention the elderly people in the nursing homes throughout Kilkenny. And of course the man with the flat tyre on his bike on rural Kilkenny who would be able to get to the nearest village to see the game in the local pub.
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Post by kerrygold on Mar 24, 2017 9:39:46 GMT
Great development to have access to extra games that wouldn't be shown otherwise. Cant wait to reach for the credit card when the Kilkenny county football final comes around.
No issue with NFL and extra club games shown on tv live as pay per view. The issue is with inter county championship games being taken away from the vast majority of grassroots GAA people under the SKY deal. What about all the sick people in the hospital in Kilkenny who wont be able to see the County Football final cos its on Eir. Not to mention the elderly people in the nursing homes throughout Kilkenny. And of course the man with the flat tyre on his bike on rural Kilkenny who would be able to get to the nearest village to see the game in the local pub. It is a different argument. The Eir deal offers additional secondary club games to viewers that would otherwise not be available to them while the SKY deal takes county championship games away from viewers that were already available to them on RTE to view for free. Chalk and cheese. Regardless, the rural dweller in Kilkenny is more likely to be sitting comfortably in an air conditioned 250k combine harvester GPS guided precision cutting rows of corn in a 100 acre field while the on-board WiFi is picking up the Kilkenny county football final on one of the on-board screens.
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Post by Mickmack on Mar 26, 2017 9:47:52 GMT
Eir Sport may target Dublin 8 Sunday, March 26, 2017John Fogarty Eir Sport are likely to target the Dublin senior football championship after securing rights to screen club championship games.
TG4 will continue to have first and second choice pick of games but, from May, and for the next five years, Eir will be entitled to the next best two fixtures if the televised games don’t clash with TG4’s pair.
That is likely to mean Eir will look at weekday and Saturday championship games and competitions like the Dublin SFC and the Galway SHC are believed to be in their sights.
In a statement, Eir Sport said they will show up to 30 club matches this year. “These are matches that haven’t previously been shown, and we are delighted to open them up to a wider audience.
We will show some big clashes within the AIB GAA Club Championships while broadcasting from parts of the country the cameras don’t often visit,” said Eir TV managing director Glen Killane.
Eir already show 23 Allianz League Saturday matches, which conclude with tomorrow evening’s Division 1 and 3 clashes between Dublin and Roscommon in Croke Park and Laois and Longford in O’Moore Park.
Meanwhile, former Hurling Development Committee (HDC) chairman Tommy Lanigan believes a Special Congress is needed to address the game’s competition structures.
The championship reformat, proposed by Lanigan’s group in 2012, seems to be en vogue again with his successor Paudie O’Neill’s committee last night debating it with a mind to possibly proposing it to Central Council. O’Neill has previously backed the idea of home and away provincial matches.
Lanigan and his group devised a system whereby there would be three round-robin groups of five teams (Munster, Leinster and a developing group) with the top two in each of Munster and Leinster qualifying for the provincial finals.
The winners would go through to the All-Ireland semi-finals with the second-placed teams going into All-Ireland quarter-finals where they would face the winners of the preliminary quarter-finals comprising the third-placed Munster and Leinster teams against the top two in the developing group.
Lanigan saw his recommendation shot down by the Central Competitions Control Committee (CCCC) but in light of football’s Super 8 from next year and Galway’s difficulties of gaining a home game in Leinster it is now back on the table.
“When people realised there were going to be 19 football championship games in July and August and only five in hurling, it triggered something. Not to make it sound like hurling versus football but that’s the way a lot of people think with the GAA, unfortunately.
“We were looking at the need for more games. The training-to-games ratio is ludicrous. If you had a structure like the one we proposed you will have the best four teams every time.
"I presented the home and away idea to Central Council and I asked when did the kids of Waterford see Ken McGrath play in Waterford in championship. The gentleman from Waterford told me they saw him against Kerry but in fairness they never saw him in Walsh Park in a big championship game.
“Hurling development committees have to be looking a few years down the road whereas every fixture-making body in the GAA is thinking short term. We probably need a Special Congress for hurling. That’s the only way minds will be focused. I’m optimistic change is coming. The GAA is a slow organisation for change but it does eventually.”
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