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Post by glengael on May 9, 2017 9:48:21 GMT
I think Colm would have been better off giving it a season or 2 before taking on that role but of course RTE will have had him on speed dial in case he went to SKY.
Just wait for the big 'set piece' with himself and Brolly on the same night! Joe talking over everyone as per usual and lambasting Longford for not playing like Tyrone...................ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ
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Post by veteran on May 16, 2017 10:19:19 GMT
Terrace talk came from the Austin Stack clubhouse last night in order to celebrate that famous club's history. I only heard snatches of the programme because I had a plumber repairing a water leak at the time. During the course of the programme, Tim Sheehan, unprompted, said that Mikey Sheehy was the greatest Kerry forward he had seen. I suppose it is understandable that a staunch Rockies man would regard a local hero as numero uno.
Weeshie Fogarty later phoned in and justifiably paid a glowing tribute to Austin Stacks. During the course of the tribute, again unprompted, Weeshie claimed that Mikey was the greatest Kerry forward he had seen. It smacked to me as a cosy comment for a converted audience in the Rockies clubhouse. It set me pondering, if Weeshie was phoning in a similar tribute to the Dr. Crokes clubhouse on another occasion, would he still ,unprompted, have claimed that Mikey was the greatest forward he had seen? I have my doubts, considering that another Kerry forward with claims to that accolade is a member of that club.
Not to be outdone, the presenter of the programme, Tim Moynihan, blithely chipped in that he too felt that Mikey was the greatest Kerry forward he had. That came across as little on the sycophantic side considering the location of the programme presentation.
All the aforementioned opinions were expressed when the relative merits of great Kerry forwards was not the topic of the conversation!
It is self evident that the three people quoted here are entitled to their opinions. But what bothers me is this. What is this need, what is this anxiety to place one great Kerry forward before and another great Kerry forward behind. Why would anybody feel the compulsion to place, for instance, Mikey before Colm or vice versa. Why not place the two of them , and indeed other mesmerising Kerry forwards as well, side by side and simply luxuriate in their greatness.
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Post by fitz on May 16, 2017 15:23:24 GMT
I suppose because many things in life are a competition, individuals have preferences and passion for those preferences. They thus defend and promote them.
Comparison of players crossing decades are really doomed to failure, because of the vast array of extenuating circumstances that are nearly impossible to weight. Just from my own perspective, I saw both, I think Colm is better, by more than a whisker too.
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Post by onlykerry on May 16, 2017 15:45:49 GMT
Its all about place and time - the glowing accolades given in media are commonplace and are meaningless by and large. When a microphone is put in front of people they seem compelled to say something that sounds intelligent and knowledgeable and pander to their audience.
How often do we hear a player described as one of the best around and would get on any team in the land during live broadcasts. It is loose talk and little more.
Mikey Sheehy was a gifted player and a joy to watch, he was to his era what gooch was to his - this tendancy to cite a player as the greatest of all time is little more than bar stool chatter and is a moveable feast.
Its commonplace in sport - I see Mourino saying the Europa League final is the most important match in Manu history - even Donald Trump would be embarassed at such a claim.
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Post by Mickmack on May 16, 2017 16:01:05 GMT
Comparing them is interesting because they were similar. Equally good off both feet, both good in the air. Equally good in their vision and how they saw opportunities before others. Mikey wouldn't have scored that goal v mayo in 2004 and he didn't operate that far from goal. But mikey was a peerless freetaker ...ahead of colm in that.
Both got the key thing right...they were playing in a great team and era.
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Post by onlykerry on May 16, 2017 16:29:12 GMT
Just for the record - Mikey Sheehy 5.03 avg 74 league games scored 22-251 (4.28 avg) 49 championship scoring 29-215 (6.16 avg) total - 123 games scoring 51-466 Colm Cooper 3.81 avg 60 league games scored 12-165 (3.35 avg) 85 champioship scoring 23-283 (4.14 avg) total - 145 games scoring 35-448
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Post by inchperfect on May 16, 2017 17:00:47 GMT
Comparing players from different eras is always tricky. Sheehy has a better scoring average but played on the best team the game has seen, plus he played in an era when you could overhand handpass it into the net which meant more or less every 1-on-1 was a goal. But he would've been a great in any era.
Whenever there's a Gooch vs anyone debate I always say what sets him apart from other great forwards such as Canavan is he can play brilliantly in 2 roles, the dangerman inside role, or the orchestrating role from deeper, and that wins the debate.
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Post by glengael on May 18, 2017 15:39:08 GMT
Interview with Colm on Radio Kerry this morning. I didn't hear it all but what I did hear of it was quite interesting.
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Post by fitz on May 19, 2017 23:32:57 GMT
Interview with Colm on Radio Kerry this morning. I didn't hear it all but what I did hear of it was quite interesting. What was it that you heard? 😀
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Post by falveyb2k on May 21, 2017 21:42:20 GMT
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Post by Ballyfireside on May 22, 2017 13:19:44 GMT
100% to him on TSG, the brain behind the genius is coming out and which doesn't always happen, even that Radio Kerry interview is of a remarkable quality, he goes far deeper than we are used to and he explains it in a way we can all understand, no ambiguity, a simple man of phenomenal stature. Talk of sports intelligence, could be the greatest GAA career ever IMO, and a nicer fella you couldn't meet I'd say, what an ambassador for Kerry, for mankind!
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Post by hugh20 on May 26, 2017 12:05:08 GMT
I was fortunate to see both Mikey Sheehy and Colm in their prime and it's a tough comparison because of the styles of play and teammates involved. As previously said, Mikey was on the greatest ever team in the GAA. Colm was on excellent teams also but in different stages throughout his career Tyrone and Dublin were dominant. The game has evolved into a game where the vast majority of sides focus on being hard to break down and more compact with mass defence. There is little work in comparison on unlocking these blanket defences and ultimately the scoring has reduced significantly. This is where I believe Colm would be an unbelievable coach. Pat O' Shea, who thought Colm many a trick or two in terms of his runs and movement, is excellent in this regard. Yes, Tyrone beat us in 2008 with Pat in charge but that was a quality Tyrone side. I agree that it is no more than bar stool chat but that is what makes it all enjoyable sure everyone has their opinions and they are entitled to them. I would slightly rather have Colm in my team, two geniuses all the same.
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Post by piggott on May 26, 2017 16:23:30 GMT
Mikey took almost all the penalties and frees, while Colm did take some frees I can't recall too many penalties.
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