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Post by kerrygold on Feb 1, 2016 10:24:49 GMT
I think Jim Galvin absolutely nails this one when he suggests the League should not start until after Paddys Day and the players should be with their clubs at the moment.
Dubs boss backs later start to the League after January opener Updated: Sunday, 31 Jan 2016. RTE website.
Dublin manager Jim Gavin says he’d be happy if the Allianz Football League didn’t start until after St Patrick’s Day. The double All-Ireland winning manager watched his team cruise past Kerry in Saturday night’s Division 1 opener, winning by 2-14 to 0-14 at Croke Park. He was without a string of experienced players due to injuries and club commitments, though this didn’t stop the Dubs producing a fluid display. And Gavin was left to wonder why the League started with two days still left in January. “Why we’re playing the opening round of the National League in January is really beyond me, particularly with all the talk of the fixture restructuring,” he said. “It just doesn’t make sense. We’re making the season longer. It’s taking away from players. “They should probably be with the clubs at this time of year, not the county. It’s difficult for all teams.” When asked when he would ideally like to see the League get underway, Gavin responded: “Any time after St Patrick’s Day would do me fine. “There’s a lot going on with players in all counties at this time of year between Sigerson, Fitzgibbon. “A lot of club teams are back now. We’ve got a pre-season tournament. The club championships are on which is a fantastic competition." He continued: “The Ard Stiurthoir and Uachtaran have both said that there won’t be any more fixtures added to the fixture list for inter-county football. “That’s how they have influence and decide how things are going, then that’s fine - shorten the season and give the players back to the clubs and let them do their pre-season with the clubs and come back to the counties later in the season.”
This is a hectic time for many elite players and Dublin play a challenge match on Sunday against the Dub Stars, a game which usually is held on New Year’s Day, but which fell victim to the wet weather earlier this month. And six days later they face a tough Division 1 test against Mayo in Castlebar, a repeat of last year’s epic drawn and replayed All-Ireland semi-final. “It just doesn’t make sense. We’re making the season longer. It’s taking away from players." - Jim Gavin Gavin says that he could have Kevin McManamon back for that game, though it’s still far to early for Eoghan O’Gara. O’Gara’s 2015 season was ended with a serious knee injury and he is currently on the comeback trail. “I think the back end of the league,” said Gavin about his big full-forward’s return. “Eoghan's back on the pitch which is the most important thing and he's back in a pair of boots which is even more good news. “Mayo is a game way too early for him, wouldn't like to circle a date in the calendar. “It's really when he's ready and when the medical team think he's ready. But I would hope that we'll see him in the back end of the National League. “ Competition for places in the Dublin forwards is intense, with Saturday's man of the match Paddy Andrews, above, leading the way.
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Post by Mickmack on Feb 1, 2016 11:00:26 GMT
They should move the u21 football back a few months with the final in late september like the u21 hurling. Too much unnecessary pressure on students in the run up to exams, assignments, sigerson etc in the months of March, april and May.
Plus.... having it in its current format skews things in favour of counties like Cork with UCC, CIT etc.
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Post by inforthebreaks on Feb 1, 2016 11:01:48 GMT
not sure I would agree with that. I think you'd have a glut of club games earlier in the year then, when teams have just started training, then very little from march to september. The biggest issue for me is the drawn out nature of the championship. I think it could easily be condensed by 4 to 6 weeks, therefore freeing up a lot of time for club matches.
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Post by kerrygold on Feb 1, 2016 11:07:16 GMT
not sure I would agree with that. I think you'd have a glut of club games earlier in the year then, when teams have just started training, then very little from march to september. The biggest issue for me is the drawn out nature of the championship. I think it could easily be condensed by 4 to 6 weeks, therefore freeing up a lot of time for club matches. The League could be run off in seven weeks, 2 weekends in March, 4 in April and one in May. The complete championship couldn't be run off in 4-6 weeks.
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Post by inforthebreaks on Feb 1, 2016 13:58:22 GMT
not sure I would agree with that. I think you'd have a glut of club games earlier in the year then, when teams have just started training, then very little from march to september. The biggest issue for me is the drawn out nature of the championship. I think it could easily be condensed by 4 to 6 weeks, therefore freeing up a lot of time for club matches. The League could be run off in seven weeks, 2 weekends in March, 4 in April and one in May. The complete championship couldn't be run off in 4-6 weeks. I wasn't suggesting playing the championship in 4 - 6 weeks. just shortening the time it takes to play by that amount. anyway we will know this easter after congress whats going to happen
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Post by kerrygold on Feb 1, 2016 15:33:28 GMT
Ok, misunderstood.
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Post by ballynamona on Feb 2, 2016 8:48:53 GMT
Kerrygold, I know you are not in favour of keeping the Provincial Championships in their current guise, i.e. un-equal groupings. I am probably more reluctant to scrap or tamper with them, but I take the point re equal periods of rest and recovery.
What would go a long way to evening things out/condensing the championship would be to use the May and June Bank Holiday weekends as anchors in the inter-county calendar. Of course Ulster and Leinster would have to have 1st round ties earlier, but I would like to see all provincial Quarter Finals being played on the May Bank Holiday weekend. Have the Dubs play their game on a Friday night, and have games across the provinces on Saturday, Sunday and Monday. This ensures a good spread of media coverage, an opportunity for fans to attend multiple games (this is quite prevalent in Ulster).
There are always either three or four weekends between the two Bank holiday weekends, all provincial semis could take place on one of these.
Then on the June Bank Holiday, have all four Provincial Finals.
I am in favour of Sean Kelly’s proposal (backed by Jim McGuinness and Joe Brolly) of using the Provincial Championships and NFL placings to split the championship into two tiers of sixteen after this.
I differ from them in that I would like to see each tier of sixteen split into four groups of four, with the top two in each going into Quarter Finals. This would guarantee every county a home Championship game.
Provincial Winners should be seeded #1 in the group stages. Then, group winners should be allowed choice of venue for the quarter finals. This would help to avoid dead rubbers.
There also needs to be plenty of designated weekends in every county for club activity. There has to be a charter, enforced centrally that allows county players to play with their clubs.
To help this, I would condense the league, as follows:
Division One: 10 teams – 2 groups of 5 – 4 regulation games for each team Division Two: 12 teams – 2 groups of 6 – 5 regulation games for each team Division Three: 10 teams – 2 groups of 5 – 4 regulation games for each team
This would make the NFL short, sharp and meaningful.
The All-Ireland final should be played by the end of August. The following months will be divided as follows:
September: allow counties that got to the latter stages of the Championship finish their counties Championships. No more than Semi-Finals and Finals should need to be completed. Punitive fines to be dished out to County Boards that can’t run their championships.
October: Provincial Club Championships (all grades)
The All-Ireland Club final should be played by the end of November.
I am in favour of having knock-out stages in the league, but they are flawed in their current guise.
Suppose Tipp had a great Division Three campaign, and top the Division. They know that they will need to beat Cork or Kerry, and perhaps both, if they are ever going to win Munster. Currently, their reward for topping the Division is to play the second-placed team up in Croke Park. Admittedly, it is a league title, albeit a secondary and quickly forgotten one. But it would be much more beneficial for such a county, on a good run, to play a team from a higher division at this point.
This is how I would structure the knock-out stages in the re-formed NFL.
Quarter-finalists
Div 1 A and B – top two teams in each Div 2 A and B – top team in each Div 3 A and B - top team in each
Automatic Promotion/Relegation
Div 1 A and B – bottom team relegated, replaced by top teams in Div 2 A and B Div 2 A and B – bottom team relegated, replaced by top teams in Div 3 A and B
Promotion/Relegation Play-Offs
Div 1 A and B fourth-placed teams play-off against second-placed teams in Div 2 A and B Div 2 A and B fifth-placed teams play-off against second-placed teams in Div 3 A and B
The combination of relegation play-offs and Quarter-Finals means that 16 teams have an extra game after their regulation games. These are meaningful games unlike the dead rubbers we currently have towards the end of the NFL.
When the regulation games are complete, the draws for the First Round of the Championship in Ulster and Leinster should take place. Why are these draws made so far in advance? By all means designate the weekends on which the games are to take place, but there is no need to make the actual draw so early.
Any teams who are not in either a play-off or a quarter final are deemed eligible to play in Round 1 of Leinster or Ulster. This means that the first round of the championship can take place in parallel with the latter stages of the league, and the Championship Quarter Finals can take place soon after the end of the league
At the end of the play-off, NFL placings are available based on the regulation games and relegation play-offs. Teams to be placed in the following bands:
1 and 2 Div 1 (a) and Div 1 (b) first-placed teams 3 and 4 Div 1 (a) and Div 1 (b) second-placed teams 5 and 6 Div 1 (a) and Div 1 (b) third-placed teams 7 and 8 Div 2 (a) and Div 2 (b) first-placed teams 9 and 10 Div 1/2 play-off winners 11 and 12 Div 1/2 play-off losers 13 and 14 Div 1 (a) and Div 1 (b) fifth-placed teams 15 and 16 Div 2 (a) and Div 2 (b) third-placed teams 17 and 18 Div 2 (a) and Div 2 (b) fourth-placed teams 19 and 20 Div 3 (a) and Div 3 (b) first-placed teams 21 and 22 Div 2/3 play-off winners 23 and 24 Div 2/3 play-off losers 25 and 26 Div 2 (a) and Div 2 (b) sixth-placed teams 27 and 28 Div 3 (a) and Div 3 (b) third-placed teams 29 and 30 Div 3 (a) and Div 3 (b) fourth-placed teams 31 and 32 Div 3 (a) and Div 3 (b) fifth-placed teams
Teams within the respective bands to be separated by:
Points Scoring Diffference
In the event that two teams within the same band played in different divisions, then the team that played their regulation games in a higher division takes the higher place.
Entry to the top 16, i.e. Sam Maguire should be along the following lines:
4 places for Provincial Champions 1 place for the NFL winners 1 place for the ‘second-tier’ championship winners from the previous season 10 based on NFL placings
The place for the NFL winner is designed to allow for a team that wins the league from Division Three to be rewarded with entry to the Championship.
The Promotion/Relegation Play-Offs between Division 1 and 2 would have extra meaning, as the losers would not be guaranteed a place in the top tier championship at that point.
In the event of overlap in qualifying, i.e. a team in the NFL top 10 also wins their province, the next places should go to the next team in the NFL rankings.
I don’t claim this is a perfect system, but I think it is attractive, and should not be feared by the power-brokers in the GAA.
Making the weakest 8 counties play each other over and over again, as the GAA is intent on doing, is like some sort of cruel punishment. A 16 team second tier could be a very decent competition.
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Post by ballynamona on Feb 2, 2016 10:04:50 GMT
Main flaws in my proposal:
Fewer league games = less opportunity to blood players. This is true. But if the fixture list was tidied up, then players would not be club-tied during the NFL. Also, there should be an adequate close season for players to have operations and recover. League games would be much better quality than they are now.
Also, this would mean that the existing pre-season McGrath Cup type tournaments would serve a better purpose, i.e. they would be taken more seriously as an opportunity to try guys out.
Managers might also be more judicious in their approach to selecting players to give a run to, as opposed to some counties where there is a very high churn of players on county teams.
Long gap between last NFL game and first championship game – this is still going to happen occasionally, mostly in Munster and Connacht. 1 county in Connacht enters at the SF stage, and 2 in Munster.
Teams knocked out of Provincial Championships at early stages will face long gaps to their first outing in either the top 16/bottom 16 tournaments. Again, this is undeniable and probably the biggest flaw in the proposal. One alternative might be to award all 8 provincial finalists places in the top 16 comp, meaning the bottom 16 comp could get underway earlier than the top 16, i.e. soon after the Provincial Semis are played.
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Post by Mickmack on Feb 2, 2016 22:30:58 GMT
2 February 2016 Sport Newsletter
Tomás Ó Se Twitter d 02/02/2016 | 02:30
For a snapshot of the place where concussion has occupied in GAA history it's worth recalling a story from the 1980 All-Ireland football final that my good friend Dr Con Murphy once told me.
Dr Con, a great friend to everyone in the game and arguably the most recognisable medic after decades of service to countless Cork teams, found himself 'behind enemy lines' that day helping out with Kerry preparations for Roscommon.
At half-time Con encountered Mike Sheehy, who had scored Kerry's only goal on the day.
"Nice goal, Mikey, keep it up," said Con.
"Goal?" replied Mikey, "what goal?"
Concerned, Con went out to Mick Dwyer and advised that he should be taken off on the basis that he couldn't even recall his own goal.
Worry
"Not to worry," said Dwyer. "We'll show it to him tomorrow."
And with that Mikey went back out into battle and finished the match as Kerry completed three-in a row.
That attitude pretty much summed up how we have all felt about bangs to the head in our careers. I must have been concussed five or six times. On at least three occasions I was thoroughly sickened by it.
In one schools match I was struck so heavily with a right hook that, with my mouth open, my lower jaw slammed up into the roof of my mouth and cracked a tooth.
When I got off the bus in Dingle, the teacher handed me the tooth, asked me 'how was the head'. I said 'grand' and off I went. It was p*ssing rain.
I had walked most of a journey of a few miles out home before it dawned on me that I should have rung the parents for a lift. I just wasn't with it.
I arrived home with desperate headache, got sick twice and put down an uncomfortable night.
The worst blow I ever took was in a club match against Listowel when I had my jaw broken with a whack from behind that left me in a heap on the ground. Again concussion developed.
I had no memory of walking around the pitch, no memory of getting into the dug-out. Apparently I got fierce emotional and even cried as I spoke gibberish, which generated great mirth from the wise-guys.
That night, as I lay in hospital, I was getting texts from them telling me what a night they were having out around town without me. We laughed. A bang on the head was nothing to get too worked up about.
Had there been a training session with Kerry the following day I wouldn't have thought twice about heading down to it.
With no wound, with no obvious disability like a hamstring or a knee injury, you just got on with it.
We played a League match up in Leitrim one year and my brother Marc, a substitute that day, was behind the goals retrieving balls when someone boomed an O'Neill's that came down with snow on it and caught him on the crown of the head.
On the way home he admitted not being able to recall being in the dug-out watching parts of the game. Again, we found humour in it, ignorant to the dangers of even something as simple as that.
That was then, though - this is now. And the culture is changing.
Thus, I'd have to commend Mayo for their swift admission on Sunday evening that they had made a mistake by leaving Lee Keegan on the field.
I was at the game in Pairc Ui Rinn and it was quite a collision between Lee and Eoin Cadogan. In real time it didn't appear like a clash of heads but when they stayed down for a period of time people around began to speak of concussion.
It was obvious to me that Keegan made a strong case to stay on himself and that the medics were keen for him to come off.
Players generally win out in these situations with their assurances that they are fine. And clearly, at that moment, the judgement was that he was okay to press on before his condition worsened.
By putting their hand up Mayo have done more for awareness of an issue that is becoming more and more embedded in the psyche of sport, not just Gaelic games.
Wrapped
Even when I wrapped up playing inter-county two-and-a-half years ago it hadn't caught hold.
That sense of bravado has always been prevalent. Unless damage is visible you persevered. Players will always want to continue playing.
But what has been happening in rugby with George North and Johnny Sexton is really forcing the issue home to everyone.
The thing is, the majority of games go ahead without any doctor on the sideline.
Many of those involved with teams don't have the knowledge required.
And concussion is so difficult to gauge. Even doctors can't say they fully have a handle on it.
Mayo's admission, in light of what happened, was brave. They could have kicked for touch, and tried to bury it but they stepped up.
Cork took off Cadogan when it appeared that he too had concussion symptoms.
The challenge for team management and doctors now will be to take big players out of games that really matter, an All-Ireland semi-final or final.
Irish Independent
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Post by kerrygold on Feb 3, 2016 9:08:10 GMT
ballynamona, I don't see how club and county fixture lists and windows of club championship throughout the season can be streamlined and achieved in the current climate of unequal provincial numbers.
The goodwill won't be on the ground if one county manager has only two weeks to recover and prepare for a big championship game while a manager in another county has 3-4 weeks to recover and prepare for the same upcoming Sunday fixtures.
In my opinion the current provincial set up is the greatest obstacle to achieving worthwhile change in the both the club and intercounty game.
Eventually we will get four provincial regions of eight teams when all the hoofing and puffing has blown the house down.
Why prolong the inevitable?
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Post by givehimaball on Feb 3, 2016 10:03:51 GMT
In my opinion the current provincial set up is the greatest obstacle to achieving worthwhile change in the both the club and intercounty game. Eventually we will get four provincial regions of eight teams when all the hoofing and puffing has blown the house down. Totally agree on the first part - however I don't think that the second part necessarily move to 4 regions of eight at all.
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Post by ballynamona on Feb 3, 2016 10:12:37 GMT
Much of my proposal was based on being able to sell it to Provincial Councils. I have no objection in principle to tweaking the numbers. The best proposal I heard, and perhaps it was you who suggested it, was to have a rotational system, whereby counties in Ulster and Leinster took turns to join Connacht and Munster to bulk the numbers up to 8. I think that would be novel and much fairer than the current system. I could not see any county in Ulster signing up for a permanent move to Connacht.
Kerrygold, I realise you are not an advocate of scrapping the Provincial Championships. There are many people out there who want to do that, or at least want to de-couple them from the main Championship, but I think they are mistaken. They have history, and mean a lot to many counties. Also, local derbies are huge in the GAA.
I do think that it is important to give players a reasonable number of games in the championship. A ‘Champions League’ of all 32 counties would not work in my view. There would be too much disparity in standard. Similarly, I don’t see group stages working in the provinces (that is Kevin McStay’s proposal).
I think the top 16/bottom 16 split would be very good – after the Provincial championships. Group winners to get choice of venue for the Quarter-Final. I think it was you who said that in a functioning Championship we would see teams like Dublin going to Killarney, and Kerry going to Omagh and Castlebar at the height of summer. I agree and there is a way of achieving that.
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Feb 3, 2016 10:20:17 GMT
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Post by ballynamona on Feb 3, 2016 13:14:08 GMT
Good read by big Mike Quirke in today's examiner on Kerry Dublin, & Diarmuid Connolly. shr.gs/oYw7l7kA pity he had a dig at the Mayo players. Yes, it was tough, but they did the right thing.
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Post by Jigz84 on Feb 10, 2016 17:15:49 GMT
www.irishexaminer.com/ireland/mike-quirke-kerry-running-to-a-standstill-381077.htmlMike Quirke: Kerry running to a standstill In a football coaching context, the scientific literature suggests that mistakes made in games or training can be used as a powerful tool, and offer the coach the opportunity to promote real learning amongst the players. The inventor of the electric light bulb, Thomas Edison, once said: “I have not failed. I’ve just found 10,000 ways that don’t work”. For the last two weekends, Mayo, and Kerry, in particular, might have come close to finding that number of things that don’t work, but unlike Edison, they have yet to find the light. Kerry are exactly where I thought they would be after a mere seven training sessions on flooded pitches in early February. They are nowhere, caught in a limbo-like state somewhere between a lack of fitness, short of bodies and bereft of ideas. Everybody must share that collective responsibility for poor performance; players and management alike, and both were being subjected to whispers of discontent on the way out of Killarney last Sunday. Eamonn Fitzmaurice’s infallibility had an expiry date apparently— at least in the eyes of some of the more fickle of the terrace cogniscenti. As an aside, and not in the slightest way to excuse how poorly Kerry have played, but the last several months and weeks of terrible weather have provided a timely reminder of Kerry’s desperate need for the centre of excellence in Currans and the IT Tralee to open its door as soon as possible. Having nowhere to call home at this time of year has last season’s All Ireland finalists foraging from night to night, for an agreeable club with dry ground anywhere and everywhere to borrow for training. Less than ideal. With excuses and absentees parked, last Sunday was the second utterly abject performance from Kerry in a fresh faced 2016. But what made this one worse was that it was the first game where they would have realistically targeted a win. Fitzmaurice had uncharacteristically given his players a bit of a public dressing down after the debacle in Dublin the previous weekend and I’m sure losing to Roscommon in Killarney for the first time ever, heading into a three-week break won’t have brightened his mood very much. It was no smash-and-grab effort by the Rossies either, who were good value for their win. You could see everything you needed to know about this game in the contrasting emotions brought by the final whistle; the Kerry boys trudged heavily towards the dressing room, lead in their boots, heads bowed… while the Roscommon players and backroom team flittered around Fitzgerald stadium like butterflies, scarcely able contain their joy and excitement. It was a huge feather in the cap of Fergal O’Donnell, Kevin McStay and their panel of players to come into Killarney and beat Kerry in their own patch. To put their victory, and subsequent celebrations into context, one should remember it was only two years ago Roscommon were playing football in Division Three of the Allianz League. Successive promotions, ironically guided by Kerry’s John Evans, has seen them reach the top tier of league football and last Sunday’s result will give them huge confidence going forward they can compete and win games against the very top teams. Indeed, given their last minute sucker-punch defeat at home to Monaghan in Round One, and the poor start they made at 0-3 down in Fitzgerald Stadium, the Roscommon players could have been excused for feeling sorry for themselves in the rarefied air of division one, but they stuck to their task doggedly when the game was going away from them early on, and eventually ground Kerry down. The positioning and performance of Enda Smith, especially in the second half, typified the skill and resolve that was in their side. Both he and Cathal Cregg were excellent throughout and brought a spark that inspired their team-mates to a famous win. Storm Imogen’s driving rain and blustery gales had already mangled Saturday nights marquee match-up as Dublin travelled to Mayo in a game that quickly descended into little more than an arm wrestle. Like Sunday, conditions dictated that quality football was scarce. Mayo showed an improvement in terms of the level of intensity they brought to the game, but intensity alone is not enough to take points off Dublin these days. Cork, on the other hand, looked to be less affected by Imogen and more by their own recurring storm — inconsistency. They looked completely flat in Ballyshannon and never came close to reaching the heights that saw them hammer Mayo. Donegal are the early Division One pace setters and they had it all their own way against the Rebels in Ballyshannon. Where to now for pointless Kerry? Well, this scenario is certainly not breaking new ground for them, and is the third time in Fitzmaurice’s four years at the helm that Kerry have lost the opening two rounds of the league. He has proven himself Houdini-like in previous years, being able to extricate his team from seemingly inevitable relegation. And he will need to harness all of those qualities again this year if he’s to keep his side in the top division. Because of the timing of the team holiday, this 3-week window offers Kerry precious time to get in their first real phase of hard work of the year. They are behind every other division one teams in terms of their preparation and this block offers them the first big opportunity to start getting up to speed. Like Edison suggested, the next three weeks are about teams getting fitter, learning from mistakes and improving. What we saw last weekend won’t be enough to save Kerry, Mayo or Down from the drop to Division Two. They need to bring light to the next round.
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Post by jackiel on Feb 18, 2016 10:21:33 GMT
Very apt, our Senior team has "lost" 5 balls since the New Year without even leaving the clubhouse and grounds.
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Post by Jigz84 on Feb 29, 2016 13:39:12 GMT
Amazing how there were so few votes in favour of bringing the dates of the All-Ireland Finals forward at Congress. The clubs had their chance so no point in complaining in the future about fixture congestion etc.
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Post by kerrygold on Mar 3, 2016 9:22:51 GMT
Darragh Spillane, son of Mick and nephew of Pat and Tom played at left half back for the Dublin u21 team last night.
DUBLIN:
Lorcan Molloy; David Bolger, Martin Cahilan, Eoin Smith; Glenn O’Reilly, Sean McMahon, Darragh Spillane; Andy Foley, Killian Deeley; Tom Lahiff, Michael Deegan, Cillian O’Shea; Dara Mullin, Con O’Callaghan, Aaron Byrne.
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Post by ruralgaa on Mar 4, 2016 9:11:23 GMT
Darragh Spillane, son of Mick and nephew of Pat and Tom played at left half back for the Dublin u21 team last night. DUBLIN: Lorcan Molloy; David Bolger, Martin Cahilan, Eoin Smith; Glenn O’Reilly, Sean McMahon, Darragh Spillane; Andy Foley, Killian Deeley; Tom Lahiff, Michael Deegan, Cillian O’Shea; Dara Mullin, Con O’Callaghan, Aaron Byrne. Oddly named at half back but lined out corner forward, the position he usually plays with his club.
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Post by Jigz84 on Mar 31, 2016 10:57:42 GMT
Interesting thoughts from Galvin last night on Setanta about the change in the Kerry management. Video in link below:
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Post by Sons of Pitches on Mar 31, 2016 11:54:37 GMT
Interesting indeed.
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Post by kerrybhoy06 on Mar 31, 2016 12:56:47 GMT
Is it just me or is there no link below???
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Post by onlykerry on Mar 31, 2016 13:24:59 GMT
Is it just me or is there no link below??? Its an image with a blue & white circle and a a play symbol in the circle - worked when I clicked through.
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Post by animal on Mar 31, 2016 13:38:06 GMT
It's not the first time that Galvin has made a veiled swipe at the coaching set - up from last year. He made comments in an interview with Off The Ball on Newstalk where without naming names he expressed dissatisfaction with training methods. His particular gripe seemed to be that the likes of himself (elder statesman and coming back from injury) should have has a more bespoke training regime rather than having to train the same as all the others. He is entitled to his opinion of course but one could argue that those methods won us a title in '14. Paul might say they cost us in '15. Who's to know?
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Post by keane on Mar 31, 2016 14:21:56 GMT
I think Paul can count himself extremely lucky for the fact that there was a coaching set up there that would entertain his return at all, never mind bringing him on in an All Ireland final when all reports point to the conclusion that this introduction was not on merit.
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Post by lár na páirce on Mar 31, 2016 14:43:57 GMT
I think Paul can count himself extremely lucky for the fact that there was a coaching set up there that would entertain his return at all, never mind bringing him on in an All Ireland final when all reports point to the conclusion that this introduction was not on merit. Well we are not privy to that information,Paul was introduced in the final and in my opinion played well,He was used as a scapegoat as a reason we did not win. The same people who say that "Galvin was only brought on because Fitzmaurice is his Brother in Law" or "He needs to make x amount of appearances to keep his Audi" it's tiresome and blatantly untrue. A huge majority of the people who believe that Paul was the reason we lost last September believe that if Tommy Walsh was introduced we would have easily won Sam,Those same people now are claiming that Tommy is not good enough and should be dropped off the panel. It's mind boggling
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Post by keane on Mar 31, 2016 15:34:40 GMT
Well we are not privy to that information,Paul was introduced in the final and in my opioion played well,He was used as a scapegoat as a reason we did not win. The same people who say that "Galvin was only brought on because Fitzmaurice is his Brother in Law" or "He needs to make x amount of appearances to keep his Audi" it's tiresome and blatantly untrue. A huge majority of the people who believe that Paul was the reason we lost last September believe that if Tommy Walsh was introduced we would have easily won Sam,Those same people now are claiming that Tommy is not good enough and should be dropped off the panel. It's mind boggling Whatever you're having yourself I suppose. Obviously bringing him on didn't lose us the game but was laughably unlikely to contribute to our winning of it. We were well beaten in any case. Having said that, if you don't think his personal relationship with the manager played a very major role in him appearing from nowhere with 15 minutes left in an All Ireland final having contributed basically nothing on the football field for any team for 18 months (more really) all I can say is we're very far apart in our thinking.
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Post by ballynamona on Mar 31, 2016 16:22:33 GMT
I think Paul can count himself extremely lucky for the fact that there was a coaching set up there that would entertain his return at all, never mind bringing him on in an All Ireland final when all reports point to the conclusion that this introduction was not on merit. I have to say I agree 100%. I would leave his personal relationship with Eamonn Fitz to one side, but I thought bringing on Paul was one of the daftest things I have seen a Kerry management do. A guy like Mike Mac coming back in 2009, with plenty left in the tank, made sense. I don't think Galvin had do anything in any grade of football for a long time to merit an appearance in the 2015 All-Ireland Final.
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Post by lár na páirce on Mar 31, 2016 17:10:07 GMT
I respect your opinion and that's what makes sport great,Two of us could be sitting down side by side watching the same game but have two very different views on it.
Personally i thought we were getting killed in the middle on the break and our general link play,Paul suited that game.
Options were limited on the bench and while i think Tommy Walsh could have made a big impact in the game,I do think bringing on Galvin in the final was justified.
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Post by dano on Mar 31, 2016 17:22:07 GMT
Many years ago people were saying that Paidi was putting his nephews on the team just because they were that. Time would, of course, prove that such assumptions were ridiculous, Paul could have changed things last year, and in fact, if I remember correctly was involved in the fluffed goal chance at the end. It was not Paul Galvin's fault that Kerry lost. With the closed door policy in Killarney, who knows if he deserved an appearance or not.
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