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Post by onlykerry on Mar 31, 2016 18:07:17 GMT
The last few posts are more appropriate to winter talk - raking over old coals and thinking what might have been. We are in a new year and Spring talk is about the possibilities before us. Galvins comments were about our prospects for 2016 and I thought his insights into Dublin missing key players (even if everybody likes the look of the replacements) was revealing and he correlated this to Kerry's retirements and expectations in 2009. Himself and Horan were both positive about Kerry and Mayo prospects and unlike recent years Dublin are not being seen as a sure thing... Throw Tyrone into the mix and Donegal/Roscommon and we could have a competitive and exciting summer to come.
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Post by Mickmack on Mar 31, 2016 19:11:28 GMT
Paul would be better off letting sleeping dogs lie. Kerry have a new trainer. Paul has retired.
The video of the final suggests that Kerry lost 3 or 4 of Kealys kickouts in a row midway through the second half and Dublin started to go away. They hit the butt of the post from one such attack. It made sense to bring on a "breaking ball man" and I thought Paul did well.
His remards about special training remind me of the Maurice saga when Johhno was trainer. I happen to think that Paul has a point but as i said earlier he should have let it go.
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Post by veteran on Mar 31, 2016 19:50:52 GMT
It will ever be a mystery to me as to,why Paul came back . We had won the All-Ireland in 2014 and Tommy Walsh and Colm Cooper were about to rejoin the panel. However his coming back or cameo in the final had nothing to do with our ultimate failure. We lost the final because Dublin were the better team.
However , management on the day were as poor as some of the players. I am thinking of, for instance, the withdrawing of proven scorers like Paul Geaney and JOD . I am also thinking , at the risk of inducing nausea, of Colm being allowed to spend more time in the Kerry defence than in attack. The Paul Galvin issue is only a puff of wind in comparison with these managerial blind spots..
In defence of the management I will say this in. relation to KD. It is true that he made an impact on introduction but there wasn't much of,an outcry at the time with the team selected to,start the match. Similarly, what Tommy Walsh done in 2015 or,since to,suggest that he would have made an impression of introduced .
To repeat , we lost to the better team..
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Mar 31, 2016 23:18:16 GMT
Considering the way the game was going I had and have no concerns about the decision to bring on Galvin in the final. We couldn't win breaking ball to save our lives in the second half.
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Post by Ballyfireside on Apr 1, 2016 7:22:59 GMT
Dublin were the better team because we were dead in our boots and who was standing in them was secondary. I thought Paul's return was a storm in a tea cup, sure use him to blood and progress fellas he marks in training and if he shows he has the pace then take it from there.
Galvin and Horan were paying lip service to Kerry's and Mayo's chances and that the are right was coincidental, what would we expect 'em to say in April?, that their teams have no chance? I also agree that they exaggerated the loss of two Dubs, that it will lift other teams, ah it will a bit but there are plenty of worthy replacements.
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Post by keane on Apr 1, 2016 13:20:42 GMT
I completely agree with Galvin's questions about Dublin considering the loss of two big players (ROC in particular) by the way. Just thought his references to the Kerry backroom team were a bit rich.
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Post by inforthebreaks on Apr 3, 2016 10:15:16 GMT
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Post by givehimaball on Apr 3, 2016 10:56:42 GMT
It's Munster v Ulster and Leinster v Connacht in the U21s this year, so if Kerry and Dublin ended up in U21 final, you could have the cousins playing each other, and possibly even marking each other as the Dublin Spillane is a corner-back.
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Post by glengael on Apr 3, 2016 11:27:17 GMT
There is some class of academic study just waiting to be written on the contribution of the Kerry mother to the GAA dynasties of the county.
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Post by tpo on Apr 3, 2016 11:38:21 GMT
Darragh Spillane playes corner forward for Dublin (Don't mind the number on his back)Its his 1st year out of minor and will struggle to start when all players are available. But one for the future?
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Post by Mickmack on Apr 5, 2016 6:23:20 GMT
The GAA has dismissed any perception that the state-of-the-art €12m National Games Development Centre in Abbotstown will be a new home for Dublin GAA. At a press briefing to mark the opening of the facility on the National Sports Campus, GAA president Aogán ó Fearghail and director-general Páraic Duffy were both adamant that it would be a facility for every unit of the GAA to use.
With five full-size pitches, including a 3G pitch and one exact replica of Croke Park even down to the contours and rise in the middle, the GAA envisage the centre as a hub for inter-county and club challenges, second- and third-level games and with on-site gym facilities incorporated into the contemporary building on a 25-acre site beside the National Aquatic Centre, it will also deliver training input into individual performances of players, referees and administrators.
But its location has led some high-profile figures to suggest that it will be a further crutch to Dublin's development.
Prior to the 2014 championship the former Donegal manager Jim McGuinness contrasted how his county had to spend €1.75m on a Centre of Excellence while "Dublin get one handed to them, which is handy, and which is worth €20 million".
Duffy has firmly dismissed that notion and has said there is no "anchor tenant".
"Let's face it, we're talking about Dublin here. Have Dublin any special first say on it? The answer is no. Nor have they sought it to be fair to them. I'm sure they will use it," he added.
"Our goal is to have teams of all shapes and sizes on using it. I think clubs from all over the country will be thrilled with the opportunity of coming here for a weekend and maybe using the gym for a session, playing a match here.
"I think it will be used by all 32 counties, 2,000 clubs. That's what we want and I believe that will happen."
Most adjacent counties have developed their own training facilities. Meath have completed Dunganny, just over half-an-hour away, Louth have Darver between Ardee and Dundalk, again less than an hour away, Hawkfield in Kildare is within easy access while Offaly have started their development outside Kilcormac.
Dublin had intended to develop a facility in Rathcoole but that has fallen through so some of the €2m, pledged by the GAA towards the south county development, will become a credit for Dublin to rent the facilities at the National Games Development Centre.
"There will be an arrangement with Dublin in terms of (how) they use it. If you put it against their Rathcoole money, that will be part of the payment arrangement," said Duffy.
The open nature of the facility may preclude some inter-county teams from using it for matches and training given their propensity for covert preparations.
Duffy said it wasn't the GAA's choice to locate the facility in Dublin.
"This is the National Sports Campus, we didn't determine where that would be," he said. "The Government decided it would be here. As the premier sporting organisation in the country, we had to be here, but we didn't decide the site.
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"If the Government had decided to put this in Athlone or Cavan or Monaghan or Kerry we'd have been there, because we have to be. We are the major national sporting body. You couldn't have a National Sports Campus without the GAA.
"The Government decided it would be here and gave us the land here so we developed it here. We didn't decide to put a facility into Dublin."
The GAA received a €500,000 grant from the Department of Sport for the development but funded the remainder from its own income and doesn't expect to run the facility at a profit.
Booking for the pitches are currently being taken by phone but in time an online facility is to be established. The Croke Park ground staff, headed by Stuart Wilson, will oversee the maintenance of the pitches. Within the building there are 10 dressing-rooms and a covered stand adjacent to the main pitch which can accommodate 400 people.
ó Fearghail said the location was important for the GAA. "We are pleased to be partnering with other sports, soccer, rugby, aquatic, equestrian, all other sports in close proximity."
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Post by Mickmack on Apr 5, 2016 6:25:15 GMT
why are the Kerry county board spending so much on Currans when the the one in Abbotstown was going to be available to them!!! It will be available to everyone they say. Why should distance be an issue.
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Post by Mickmack on Apr 9, 2016 9:25:12 GMT
They're not the anchor tenants though.
Dublin's 2011 All-Ireland-winning captain Bryan Cullen has been overseeing the procurement of equipment for the gym at the GAA's new national games development centre in Abbotstown.
Cullen, Dublin high performance director, is selecting the gym equipment for the GAA's new national games development centre in Abbotstown because the Dublin county board are paying for the gym equipment.
Still, the GAA insist that Dublin will have no special claims over the new gym, which "wasn't a top priority" in the €12million facility.
"Dublin made an observation and approached the GAA on it. They were more than happy to contribute to it because it is located in Dublin," the GAA's head of communications Alan Milton told the Irish Independent.
"If there was a gymnasium going in they wanted it to be fit for purpose. But their offer won't give them any proprietary claims on it."
Dublin's county board Sean Shanley told the paper that, while Dublin are funding and equipping the new gym, the senior teams under Jim Gavin and Ger Cunningham will not be taking up residence in Abbotstown.
Instead, Dublin's underage and development squads are expected to make use of the new state-of-the-art facility in north west Dublin.
The GAA are still hopeful that clubs and county panels from across the country will flock to the five-pitches but, as some observers noted this week, that might happen more frequently if accommodation had been built on the 25-acre site in the national sports campus.
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Post by Mickmack on Apr 11, 2016 20:39:50 GMT
Monday 11 April 2016 Sport Newsletter
Joe Brolly: Intolerance of losers a fatal flaw
10/04/2016 | 17:00
Kieran McGeeney came to Eamonn Coleman's funeral. He was a great friend of Anthony Tohill and so was invited by Anthony to sit at the players' table for a bite to eat after the burial. I was sitting beside my old comrade Brian McGilligan. We were eating and reminiscing when Kieran - out of the blue - fixed me with that Clint Eastwood stare of his and said: "You were an awful waste of talent Joe." The chatter at the table stopped abruptly. I didn't know where to look. "You could have achieved so much more, if you'd taken it seriously." There was silence for a second, then big McGilligan nudged me and we burst out laughing. "You're wan crazy bastard McGeeney," said McGilligan. Only Kieran wasn't joking. He was deadly serious. Sitting amongst a band of Derry brothers, after the death of one of our own. It took a lot of balls. But then Kieran never had any trouble in that department.
Being a great footballer is not necessarily a credential for management. Jose Mourinho was never a professional footballer. His career puts me in mind of a great line of Joe Kernan's. The two of us were speaking at the National Coaching Conference several years ago in Croke Park. He had one of his sons with him, who I didn't recognise. We were having a bite to eat together afterwards and I said, "Does this boy play football?" "Naw," said Big Joe, "he's going straight into management."
Mourinho, having played a bit of amateur football in the Portuguese second division, decided that playing was not for him. Instead, he became a PE teacher, studied sports science and in due course became a professor of soccer. Likewise, Arsene Wenger was a pub player, playing for a number of amateur clubs before studying for and obtaining a manager's diploma.
The flipside of this is summed up by a classic story about one of the gods of modern English soccer, Peter Shilton. In the twilight of a glittering career, he was named manager of Plymouth Argyle in the old third division. Under their goalkeeper-manager, they went on one of those roller coaster rides that only go downwards. Displays got worse and worse. Morale collapsed. By March, the cold hand of relegation was on their shoulders. Shilton realised something dramatic needed to be done. So, he gathered the squad for a motivational speech. This would be his greatest hour. His Henry V moment. Like that legendary king before the Battle of Agincourt, he would rouse his small force with such words as would assure a glorious triumph in the face of overwhelming odds. As Shakespeare's Henry put it: "From this day to the ending of the world, but we in it shall be remembered. We few, we happy few, we band of brothers."
Only it didn't turn out quite like that. An impassioned Shilton finished his oration by raising his fist aloft and assuring his men they would "rise, like a pheasant from the flames". At which point, there was an awkward silence. "What's the matter?" said Shilton. "It's phoenix, boss. Phoenix from the flames," said one of the players. Shilton paused to take this in, looked at the ground and shook his head. "*," he said, "I knew it began with an F."
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Roy Keane is another one who falls into the Shilton category. Danny Higginbotham, who played under him during his term as Sunderland manager, fondly recalled some of Roy's man management techniques in his autobiography Rise of the Underdog. Before they took the field for a crucial game against Aston Villa, after a run of six defeats in eight games, Roy gathered the team around him in the changing room and said, "Listen lads, basically, you're *. Try and enjoy the game. You're probably going to get beat. But just enjoy being *."
After another bad result, Higginbotham recalls Keane being enraged in the dressing room. He stood over one player shouting. "You're the reason I'm driving up and down the f*****g country to find another player, you're not f*****g good enough." He then moved on to another player and roared, "Your attitude is *. You're not good enough." The finale of that talk will not be found in any sport psychology manual: "Next week we've got our last home game, against Arsenal. You know at the end of the season when you walk around the pitch, thanking the fans for their support? I'm ringing Umbro and getting you some hooded jumpers, because you're a f*****g embarrassment, it's a joke and this is not going to stay this way."
I thought of Keane last weekend when Armagh were relegated to Division 3. I have often seen similarities between these two great competitors. Keane demonically driving Manchester United on. McGeeney demonically driving Armagh on to defeat superior opponents. A player with a modest skill-set somehow dominating Croke Park and breaking his opponents' will.
The two men also share an intolerance of 'losers' and cannot understand how a player can allow this to happen. Which inevitably translates into disappointment with their teams, a disappointment that cannot be concealed. For a manager, this is a fatal flaw.
McGeeney leaves no stone unturned in his quest for success as a coach. But after seven years with Kildare, they had won nothing and had never beaten a top team. The players looked worried on big days and couldn't relax. On many occasions, they created the opportunity to win big games then blew it. Against Down in 2010. Against Donegal in 2011. In extra-time in that Donegal game they went four up but still lost. Because they didn't believe in themselves. They didn't believe in themselves because the manager didn't believe in them. When he subsequently scoured the country looking for a forward, importing Seanie Johnston from Cavan to play club hurling in Kildare, he was saying to his squad: "Basically, you are *." The great man was disappointed. The players simply couldn't match his standards.
Who could?
Since he took over in Armagh, a similar pattern has been established. Resources have been lavished on the group. Their training regime has been on a par with any professional team. Nothing, insofar as Kieran can see it, has been left to chance. Yet against Donegal in last year's Ulster Championship they were humiliated. After 10 minutes the game was over. By half-time they had managed a point or maybe two. They lost by nine but that was very flattering. Galway put them out of their misery in the qualifiers. Now, relegation to Division 3.
I think that, like Keane, Kieran can't see why things aren't working out. His solution is to demand more. Like Keane, it is clear that he thinks his players are not giving anywhere near enough. They disappoint him. Which is why he recently said that "county footballers are not elite athletes at all." He doesn't seem to have reflected on the impact of this statement on players who have devoted their lives to the Armagh cause.
Kieran isn't stupid. He knows pheasant doesn't begin with an F. But deep down, he thinks that basically, his players are *. Which is why they prove him right.
Sunday Indo Sport
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Post by Mickmack on Apr 11, 2016 20:40:56 GMT
Revenge served cold there by Brolly after Armaghs relegation to Division 3
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Post by wayupnorth on Apr 12, 2016 6:13:28 GMT
Revenge served cold there by Brolly after Armaghs relegation to Division 3 Joe "it's all about me" Brolly. Typical of every article he writes And he gets paid for it as well. Nice one Joe!
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Post by ballynamona on Apr 12, 2016 20:00:53 GMT
Can't believe I'm 'defending Brolly'...but McGeeney was given a very soft ride from the press while with Kildare. The tone of the article is a bit too personal, but I feel McGeeney's record deserves criticism.
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Post by Mickmack on Apr 12, 2016 20:23:24 GMT
Hard to believe that its ten years since this classic game and also hard to believe that Armagh are now in division 3
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Apr 12, 2016 21:13:00 GMT
Can't believe I'm 'defending Brolly'...but McGeeney was given a very soft ride from the press while with Kildare. The tone of the article is a bit too personal, but I feel McGeeney's record deserves criticism. In my opinion they were a very limited group and he got an awful lot out of them.
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Post by Mickmack on Apr 20, 2016 8:47:21 GMT
CORK STUDENT PHIL Healy is still coming to terms with becoming an overnight sensation after she helped UCC claim an impossible victory in the women’s 4x400m relay at the Irish University Athletics Association Championships in Morton Stadium, Dublin at the weekend.
Taking the baton for the final leg of the event, the third-year nursing student was so far off the lead she felt the best she could hope for was fifth, but a monstrous 400-metre dash saw her pass all of those in front of her.
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Post by MrRasherstoyou on Apr 20, 2016 13:19:14 GMT
Can't believe I'm 'defending Brolly'...but McGeeney was given a very soft ride from the press while with Kildare. The tone of the article is a bit too personal, but I feel McGeeney's record deserves criticism. In my opinion they were a very limited group and got an awful lot out of them. Some people have argued that it was Grimley, and then (?) O'Neill, not McGeeney, that was mainly responsible for what they did manage to do. I never felt McGeeney's methods would be as successful as they might, for the sort of reasons that Brolly says. However I also think Brolly takes hold of ear-catching simplistic ideas and runs with them because they suit his own beliefs. And in this case because as MM so nicely put it, he wanted to serve a cold platter of revenge for a public slight. I do think some players/coaches have a certain level of ruthlessness that can be hard to take at times. I recall Oisin McConville in his book referring to Paul Casey (an honest, very hard-working, modestly well talented player, in the context of the very top levels) as someone that "any of our players would want to be marked by", or words to that effect. This was still in the flush of his club & county's very successful periods, and still very much during Paul's active inter-county career.
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Post by buck02 on Apr 22, 2016 10:04:26 GMT
John Egan's son, John, made the PFA League One team of the season.
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Post by kerrygold on Apr 22, 2016 10:13:17 GMT
In my opinion they were a very limited group and got an awful lot out of them. Some people have argued that it was Grimley, and then (?) O'Neill, not McGeeney, that was mainly responsible for what they did manage to do. I never felt McGeeney's methods would be as successful as they might, for the sort of reasons that Brolly says. However I also think Brolly takes hold of ear-catching simplistic ideas and runs with them because they suit his own beliefs. And in this case because as MM so nicely put it, he wanted to serve a cold platter of revenge for a public slight. I do think some players/coaches have a certain level of ruthlessness that can be hard to take at times. I recall Oisin McConville in his book referring to Paul Casey (an honest, very hard-working, modestly well talented player, in the context of the very top levels) as someone that "any of our players would want to be marked by", or words to that effect. This was still in the flush of his club & county's very successful periods, and still very much during Paul's active inter-county career. Sligo boss slams Brolly's 'hideous column' that shows a 'vendetta' against Kieran McGeeney Daragh O Conchúir PUBLISHED 20/04/2016 Niall Carew has hit out at Joe Brolly for continuing a "vendetta" against Kieran McGeeney. Brolly was critical of McGeeney in a "hideous column" in the Sunday Independent following the relegation of his Armagh side to Division 3, arguing that his intensity and demand for the highest standards held his players back. Carew worked as a selector and coach with McGeeney in Kildare from 2008-12 before moving on to become Waterford manager. Now in charge at Sligo, he insists Brolly has it wrong. "Joe embarked on another verbal assault on Kieran and he has copied and pasted this article on more than one occasion" says Carew in the Sligo Champion. "So if you want, get onto Google and you will discover one man's personal vendetta against another. "I think I'm way more qualified than Joe Brolly or Pat Spillane or any of the other pundits and journalists that like to get personal and sometimes dirty, to really tell people who the real Kieran McGeeney is. "Geezer ticks all the boxes, believe me. First and foremost he is the one we all want to go to war with. He is the most genuine man I have ever met and is the one I turn to on and off the field. I trust him with my life. "Brolly likes to twist things. So for him, the players were too afraid to make a mistake. We could have been more clinical but officials' mistakes were the defining moments. "Joe Brolly has always picked on Geezer (off the field and behind his laptop) and while Geezer doesn't care, I can't let it go any longer. He has never had a clue what goes on. But when you want to be sensational, you don't need to worry about the truth or the facts. Or ask the people who worked with him. "Johnny Doyle played under Geezer for six years. He wasted no time in making his thoughts on Brolly's attack public. What he says about the man carries much more relevance than what a self-serving self-promoter thinks. "Kieran was an excellent coach and mentor. He changed the way I thought about my game. He pushed me to a level of training and preparation that I never knew existed. "It was a great time to be involved in football in Kildare. People say Kieran failed with Kildare but I think we failed Kieran. "When it comes to Johnny Doyle or Joe Brolly, I know who I'd believe." Irish Independent
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Post by MrRasherstoyou on Apr 22, 2016 13:37:44 GMT
Some people have argued that it was Grimley, and then (?) O'Neill, not McGeeney, that was mainly responsible for what they did manage to do. I never felt McGeeney's methods would be as successful as they might, for the sort of reasons that Brolly says. However I also think Brolly takes hold of ear-catching simplistic ideas and runs with them because they suit his own beliefs. And in this case because as MM so nicely put it, he wanted to serve a cold platter of revenge for a public slight. I do think some players/coaches have a certain level of ruthlessness that can be hard to take at times. I recall Oisin McConville in his book referring to Paul Casey (an honest, very hard-working, modestly well talented player, in the context of the very top levels) as someone that "any of our players would want to be marked by", or words to that effect. This was still in the flush of his club & county's very successful periods, and still very much during Paul's active inter-county career. Sligo boss slams Brolly's 'hideous column' that shows a 'vendetta' against Kieran McGeeney Daragh O Conchúir PUBLISHED 20/04/2016 Niall Carew has hit out at Joe Brolly for continuing a "vendetta" against Kieran McGeeney. Brolly was critical of McGeeney in a "hideous column" in the Sunday Independent following the relegation of his Armagh side to Division 3, arguing that his intensity and demand for the highest standards held his players back. Carew worked as a selector and coach with McGeeney in Kildare from 2008-12 before moving on to become Waterford manager. Now in charge at Sligo, he insists Brolly has it wrong. "Joe embarked on another verbal assault on Kieran and he has copied and pasted this article on more than one occasion" says Carew in the Sligo Champion. "So if you want, get onto Google and you will discover one man's personal vendetta against another. "I think I'm way more qualified than Joe Brolly or Pat Spillane or any of the other pundits and journalists that like to get personal and sometimes dirty, to really tell people who the real Kieran McGeeney is. "Geezer ticks all the boxes, believe me. First and foremost he is the one we all want to go to war with. He is the most genuine man I have ever met and is the one I turn to on and off the field. I trust him with my life. "Brolly likes to twist things. So for him, the players were too afraid to make a mistake. We could have been more clinical but officials' mistakes were the defining moments."Joe Brolly has always picked on Geezer (off the field and behind his laptop) and while Geezer doesn't care, I can't let it go any longer. He has never had a clue what goes on. But when you want to be sensational, you don't need to worry about the truth or the facts. Or ask the people who worked with him. "Johnny Doyle played under Geezer for six years. He wasted no time in making his thoughts on Brolly's attack public. What he says about the man carries much more relevance than what a self-serving self-promoter thinks. "Kieran was an excellent coach and mentor. He changed the way I thought about my game. He pushed me to a level of training and preparation that I never knew existed. "It was a great time to be involved in football in Kildare. People say Kieran failed with Kildare but I think we failed Kieran. "When it comes to Johnny Doyle or Joe Brolly, I know who I'd believe." Irish Independent There we go again with the great white excuses. Johnny Doyle's comment is balanced I feel, in that the key to Kildare not going a step further was the lack of a killer forward or two, and inability to control a game. I suppose people involved with the Lilywhites will always be sore every time Seanie Johnson is mentioned. In fairness to Geeser I think he was in some part responsible for having had that Kildare team at a level of competitiveness that was way beyond anything since. But..............the collapse had begun before he left, and the malaise since he left is surely somewhat indicative of the lack of forward planning, and the unhealthy over-dependency of the set-up there on one individuals force of personality/will.
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Post by kerrygold on Apr 22, 2016 15:40:29 GMT
There's been enough scour and *e written about McGeeney and the Genie Johnson to fill several septic tanks!
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Post by leesider on Apr 23, 2016 19:06:18 GMT
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