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Post by fitz on Oct 14, 2015 22:31:06 GMT
[/quote To fitzwop and Kerrygold: I don't know what happened there. I had penned a response to your various points - but it appears to disappeared into the ether. A classic case of the dog ate my homework. I just don't have time to regurgitate my thoughts - but will re-visit at a later stage. To fitzwop: You wanted me to call out the seven players who I saw repeating the same mistakes. My original point last year was made in the context that invariably we only ever lose by a single score. The seven come from the wider panel and TBH I don't engage in naming specific players in relation to their shortcomings. There is a backroom team there to do that. The only quick point I would make is that over the past number of years a particular player gifted the opposition a point or two in EVERY game by giving the ref no option but to award a free in the scoring zone. This year, we did not concede one score from that source. Have to cut and run. The Pharmacist
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Post by fitz on Oct 14, 2015 22:51:29 GMT
Current squads are as talented but the will to put a team to the sword is missing.
It certainly was missing against Dublin but I think it's unfair to generalise from that one match. Although I appreciate it was distressing to watch as a Kerry supporter for a myriad of reasons. I could write a book on all I thought was wrong that day from where I was sitting. As for the will to put a team to the sword, I saw evidence of its presence in abundance against, for example Tyrone and Cork in championship 2015, Dublin in League in Killarney, and Donegal (League 2015 or Championship 2014) and indeed against Mayo twice last August 12 months. Going farther back I could mention Limerick 04 x2, Monaghan 07, Armagh 06, Dublin 07. All of these games had to be fought and won before an All Ireland could be considered. Secondly, I don't think you can transfer a lot of the style of defence that the Golden Years team played to today's game. There would be black, red and yellow cards a plenty. On the other hand the passion and will to win which that team had must be part of any Kerry footballer's makeup. No-one can argue with that. As for handy or soft All Irelands? I have met this so often over the years I've lived outside of Kerry. It is said jokingly but many times with vitriol and real unpleasantness. I'll use the line I've always used when that old chestnut comes up. If All Irelands are so handy and soft and easy to win, then why haven't more counties won them? Solid post Glengael, I couldn't have expressed that message so constructively. Everyone was gutted with the performance on the day of the final. The players who burst their guts all year know this more than most and most of all.
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Post by sullyschoice on Oct 15, 2015 20:01:17 GMT
So its the winners of Clare v Limerick who we play in Munster Semi.
Cork await winners of Tipp v Waterford.
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Post by kerrygold on Oct 15, 2015 20:04:04 GMT
So Munster final will be in Killarney regardless of who comes through from Cork v Tipp. Tipp will see this as an opportunity to get to a Munster final.
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Post by kerryexile on Oct 16, 2015 8:32:31 GMT
Current squads are as talented but the will to put a team to the sword is missing.
It certainly was missing against Dublin but I think it's unfair to generalise from that one match. Although I appreciate it was distressing to watch as a Kerry supporter for a myriad of reasons. I could write a book on all I thought was wrong that day from where I was sitting. As for the will to put a team to the sword, I saw evidence of its presence in abundance against, for example Tyrone and Cork in championship 2015, Dublin in League in Killarney, and Donegal (League 2015 or Championship 2014) and indeed against Mayo twice last August 12 months. Going farther back I could mention Limerick 04 x2, Monaghan 07, Armagh 06, Dublin 07. All of these games had to be fought and won before an All Ireland could be considered. Secondly, I don't think you can transfer a lot of the style of defence that the Golden Years team played to today's game. There would be black, red and yellow cards a plenty. On the other hand the passion and will to win which that team had must be part of any Kerry footballer's makeup. No-one can argue with that. As for handy or soft All Irelands? I have met this so often over the years I've lived outside of Kerry. It is said jokingly but many times with vitriol and real unpleasantness. I'll use the line I've always used when that old chestnut comes up. If All Irelands are so handy and soft and easy to win, then why haven't more counties won them???? Solid post Glengael, I couldn't have expressed that message so constructively. Everyone was gutted with the performance on the day of the final. The players who burst their guts all year know this more than most and most of all. I fully appreciate the sacrifices that players, management, partners, employers etc make. Because it would be difficult to comment on the AIF without appearing to disrespect this effort, the first post I put up after the final was on October 14 and that was on this thread regarding the 2016 season. About 10 teams have won the All-Ireland in the last 25 years but realistically there are only about 3 teams with a chance of winning in any given year. Against these we regularly fail to deliver. Taking solace in victories over Limerick, Monaghan, Cork and in league games is missing the point. Take one example – Donegal beat us in the quarter final in 2011. In that game Colin McFadden took a sideline about 25 metres out that ended up in the net. He was credited with the goal which means no other Donegal player touched the ball. The ball was in flight for over 40 metres but no Kerry player stopped it from going under the cross bar. That 5 seconds of football shouldn’t happen in a junior club game. Donegal won by 2 points. I agree that in the games against Donegal and Mayo in 2014 we played very well. I think there is a problem that is causing us to use defensive tactics, taking from our natural attacking flair and ultimately costing us vital games. This is my last post on this topic …………………………..(for now).
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Post by fitz on Oct 16, 2015 9:39:27 GMT
Solid post Glengael, I couldn't have expressed that message so constructively. Everyone was gutted with the performance on the day of the final. The players who burst their guts all year know this more than most and most of all. I fully appreciate the sacrifices that players, management, partners, employers etc make. Because it would be difficult to comment on the AIF without appearing to disrespect this effort, the first post I put up after the final was on October 14 and that was on this thread regarding the 2016 season. About 10 teams have won the All-Ireland in the last 25 years but realistically there are only about 3 teams with a chance of winning in any given year. Against these we regularly fail to deliver. Taking solace in victories over Limerick, Monaghan, Cork and in league games is missing the point. Take one example – Donegal beat us in the quarter final in 2011. In that game Colin McFadden took a sideline about 25 metres out that ended up in the net. He was credited with the goal which means no other Donegal player touched the ball. The ball was in flight for over 40 metres but no Kerry player stopped it from going under the cross bar. That 5 seconds of football shouldn’t happen in a junior club game. Donegal won by 2 points. I agree that in the games against Donegal and Mayo in 2014 we played very well. I think there is a problem that is causing us to use defensive tactics, taking from our natural attacking flair and ultimately costing us vital games. This is my last post on this topic …………………………..(for now). I don't see the relevance of that example you mention KEx. It was a mistake. Donegal keeper made a really bad mistake last year. Cluxton made some howlers in semi and final. These things happen. I agree they shouldn't, but Aidan was in the right place that day when that ball came in. I agree on the defensive side though particularly from our midfield and forwards, we over invested, to protect a vulnerability ability in our back lines and particularly in the final this thwarted our attacking potency. I think we also spent too much time focusing and prioritizing our opponents. Dublin got their defence/attacking balance corrected from 2014 to 15. Hopefully we can correct and recalibrate in this regard also to minimise vulnerability and optimise our attacking threat.
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Oct 16, 2015 11:31:43 GMT
Post by donegalman on Oct 16, 2015 11:31:43 GMT
I have watched the full kerry donegal fixture of 2012, now on youtube, and I think that while it was a very close game, it was not decided by mcfaddens goal. Kerry had a very good chance of a goal just before half time, with Gooch fisting over rather than pointing. The other big issue of that match was Donaghy's goal being in the square to bring kerry back into it, which remarkably went past most people on the day and during analysis. All in all, the second half sealed the result, as it did in the final last year.
I am thinking that kerry exile may have a good point about going an overly defensive route, but there is no other game in town now it would seem. Dublin and kerry, and dublin v mayo this year, saw defensive tactics rule the day, thereby institutionalizing the defensive template as the go to tactic in gaelic football.
Kerry did not use their forwards properly this year in croke park in the final. this could be down to a lack of supply, performance or just the fact that they wernt good enough on the day either, that the dubs are now at a stage of their development as a team that they will dominate for some time to come.
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Post by Jigz84 on Oct 16, 2015 13:30:48 GMT
I have watched the full kerry donegal fixture of 2012, now on youtube, and I think that while it was a very close game, it was not decided by mcfaddens goal. Kerry had a very good chance of a goal just before half time, with Gooch fisting over rather than pointing. The other big issue of that match was Donaghy's goal being in the square to bring kerry back into it, which remarkably went past most people on the day and during analysis. All in all, the second half sealed the result, as it did in the final last year. I am thinking that kerry exile may have a good point about going an overly defensive route, but there is no other game in town now it would seem. Dublin and kerry, and dublin v mayo this year, saw defensive tactics rule the day, thereby institutionalizing the defensive template as the go to tactic in gaelic football. Kerry did not use their forwards properly this year in croke park in the final. this could be down to a lack of supply, performance or just the fact that they wernt good enough on the day either, that the dubs are now at a stage of their development as a team that they will dominate for some time to come. It was a legitimate goal. He was not in the square when Donnchadh's fist made contact with the ball. 2012 was first year of the new square ball rule.
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Post by donegalman on Oct 16, 2015 16:10:35 GMT
I did not know that, now I do
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Oct 16, 2015 20:36:17 GMT
I don't think there is a fundamental problem with Kerry football.
It is just one of those things - like Meath in 2001. 14 years later and players still have no theory on what went wrong.
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Post by Mickmack on Oct 16, 2015 23:03:18 GMT
I don't think there is a fundamental problem with Kerry football. It is just one of those things - like Meath in 2001. 14 years later and players still have no theory on what went wrong. There are parallels with 2001 and 2015 Kerry were defending champs in 2001 and 2015. The previous years win was hard won ........in both 2000 and 2014. Massive games v Armagh and Galway.. both replays. And the other salient point is that Meath had an excellent team back then as Dublin have now. The 2015 final was still winnable with 10 mins to go... all we needed was a break. In 2001, the game was gone after 20 mins.
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Post by Mickmack on Oct 17, 2015 10:57:31 GMT
another similarity is that the captaincy changed hands prior to the game in 2001 too and also.... in 2001 there were a few decent prospects in the Kerry minor team too... a lad called Declan, a corner forward called Gooch and someone else with the nickname of Star...
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Post by kerrygold on Oct 17, 2015 12:20:16 GMT
So history repeats itself in Kerry in a cyclical manner. That is probably why Kerry have contested every other final and win one in three going back over the course of history. Who needs Albert Einstein? Get off the stage! So hopefully Kerry will blow out in a semi or final in 10 years time with the captaincy issue raising it's head, having "won a soft one in three finals" the previous September. Isn't it just wonderful to screw up in Croker now and again..........
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Post by Deleted on Nov 5, 2015 8:05:17 GMT
I presume if Legion win on Sunday, JOD will be nominated captain for Kerry in 2016?
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Time is going fast and the National League is only weeks away. What new players will they look at.
Goalkeeper: Kerry are probably set with Kealy the regular guy now. Brian Kelly will rotate but I would like to see Shane Murphy (Kilcummin) getting a game or two. He looks to me like the only other Keeper they might bring in.
Full Back Line: Age and speed is an issue here. Marc O'Se and Aidan O'Mahony will be 36 next year so we need to find some young players that they can bring in and look at for the League. Gavin Crowley (Templenoe) Jack McGuire(Listowel Emmetts) David Culhane (Ballylongford) Cathal Murphy (Rathmore) and Podge O'Connor (Legion) would be guys I would look at. Pa Kilkenny I think for me is not up to it. Mark Griffin maybe give him a look at no.6. He is not a good enough Full Back for this level. Fionn Fitzgerald has gone back a lot. He has lost form. Watching him for Crokes this year also I have noticed it. He could still get a look in the League but for me his position is up for grabs in the Panel unless he regains form. Shane Enright had his best year for Kerry in 2015. I was not a big fan of him but in the last two years he has been very good. He is our best back right now. I hope he can continue it in 2016. Cormac Coffey (Kerins O'Rahillys) and Brian O'Beaglaoich (An Ghaeltacht) are promising u21s who in time will get a look. I would not be surprised if Kerry won the u21s that they would get a call up.
Half Back Line: Jonathan Lyne had a good year. Killian Young is still performing well. Peter Crowley gives us options. I think we still need to look for a no.6. Will they try Mark Griffin here? He has the strength but has he the skills. Jack Sherwood and Paul Murphy gives us options at No.5 and No.7. Tadhg Morley (Templenoe) is a guy that has played underage there for Kerry. I think you could look at him. Jack Barry (Na Gaeil) would he be worth a look. James Walsh (Knocknagoshel) had a bright future at one time but injuries and a lack of form seem to hold him back. Is he still worth a look. This years minor Andrew Barry (Na Gaeil) is a very promising player and I think in time he will be our No.6 but for now he is too young.
MidField: Anthony Maher will miss some of the League. Surely Tommy Walsh will get plenty chance in 2016 to see what he can do. We need him to step up really. David Moran was not as good this year as he was in 2014 but he is still a good player and one of our main men. Would either of the Legion pair Sean Keane or Jamie O'Sullivan be worth a look? We have two great prospects in dingle pair Barry O'Sullivan and Mark O'Connor but again too young we will have to wait. Bryan Sheehan is another option there. Would Gary O'Sullivan (Listry) be worth a look? They do have options at least.
Half Forward line: Stephen O'Brien John Buckley Donnacha Walsh (who should get a rest)Darren O'Sullivan are all options but we need to find one or two more. Mike Geaney is injured. Alan Fitzgerald (Castlegregory) will get a look. How about Greg Horan ( Austin Stacks) and Gary O'Leary (Kilcummin) would they be worth a look. Jeff O'Donoghue (Glenflesk) is a player with a lot of ability. Micheál Burns (Dr Crokes) Matthew Flaherty (Dingle) and Brian O'Seanachain (Ballydonoghue) are future prospects.
Full Forward Line: How about James O'Donoghue when healthy to get a look at No.11. It would not hurt to try him out there. Cooper and Donaghy can still offer Kerry a lot but I think it is coming off the Bench. Their days as starters for me are over. Paul Geaney Barry John Keane are good forwards but they lack consistency. Thomas Hickey (Castleisland Desmonds) will surely get a look. Gavin O'Grady (Glenbeigh/Glencar) should get a look. How about Conor Cox (Listowel Emmetts) will he get a chance? Conor Keane (Legion) im sute when the u21s are done will be called in. How about Killian Spillane (Templenoe) ? Conor Geaney (Dingle) is a good prospect but again too young.
Kerry have some very good Minors coming thru but it will take time before they make an impact. I would like Kerry to experiment in this years league. Try players at different positions. Mix some new players with some experienced players.
A team like 1 Shane Murphy 2 Gavin Crowley 3 Jack McGuire 4 Shane Enright 5 John Lyne 6 Mark Griffin 7 Paul Murphy 8 David Moran 9 Tommy Walsh 10 Stephen O'Brien 11 Bryan Sheehan 12 Gary O'Leary 13 Thomas Hickey 14 Paul Geaney 15 Gavin O'Grady. Subs 16 Brian Kelly 17 John Buckley 18 BJ Keane 19 Podge O'Connor 20 Conor Cox 21 Jamie O'Sullivan 22 Tadhg Morley 23 Jeff O'Donoghue 24 David Culhane
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Post by Jigz84 on Dec 1, 2015 13:30:17 GMT
Experimenting in the League is all good and well, but I think Kerry do need to lay down a marker in Spring and challenge for the League, at least make the Semis in Croker.
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Post by kerrybhoy06 on Dec 1, 2015 14:06:56 GMT
I'm very worried that the majority of people who tout Cormac Coffey as a potential senior in the next couple of years have either never seen him play or only seem him play in the under 21 county final. The lad has some good attributes but is very, very raw and there seems to be a crazy expectation of him on the back of a very limited sample set.
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Ok so when will you try them ?. Against Cork in July. If you don't give them a run in the League. How will they get a chance. You have to be fair and take a risk with them. If you lose games then you lose them but at least you know if they are up to it or not. I don't think they need to go to the semis at all. If they find 2 or 3 players that can make an impact in the Championship and win an All Ireland then that's much better than a good League run.
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Post by Jigz84 on Dec 1, 2015 16:37:43 GMT
Ok so when will you try them ?. Against Cork in July. If you don't give them a run in the League. How will they get a chance. You have to be fair and take a risk with them. If you lose games then you lose them but at least you know if they are up to it or not. I don't think they need to go to the semis at all. If they find 2 or 3 players that can make an impact in the Championship and win an All Ireland then that's much better than a good League run. I didn't say that new players shouldn't be tried in the League but realistically, there's only maybe 4 or 5 more that will get the chance. Dublin have won 3 or 4 leagues on the trot while blooding new players all the time.
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Post by Ballyfireside on Dec 2, 2015 2:01:00 GMT
Team strategy also means sparing veterans for Autumn.
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Post by givehimaball on Dec 2, 2015 14:27:02 GMT
I think resting the veterans is the best strategy - you're not going to learn anything much about what they offer and also it forces some of the mid-ranking (in terms of age) lads to step up that bit more.
I don't think Eamonn and the rest of the management team get enough credit for how they have rebuilt/redeveloped the Kerry squad over the course of the last 3 years while keeping Kerry as a serious contender. Ok there have been a couple of missteps but the vast majority of decisions have been correct, he's managed the older players very wisely while still giving the younger lads a chance to push on and develop.
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Post by shannonsider on Dec 2, 2015 16:37:34 GMT
Time is going fast and the National League is only weeks away. What new players will they look at. Goalkeeper: Kerry are probably set with Kealy the regular guy now. Brian Kelly will rotate but I would like to see Shane Murphy (Kilcummin) getting a game or two. He looks to me like the only other Keeper they might bring in. Full Back Line: Age and speed is an issue here. Marc O'Se and Aidan O'Mahony will be 36 next year so we need to find some young players that they can bring in and look at for the League. Gavin Crowley (Templenoe) Jack McGuire(Listowel Emmetts) David Culhane (Ballylongford) Cathal Murphy (Rathmore) and Podge O'Connor (Legion) would be guys I would look at. Pa Kilkenny I think for me is not up to it. Mark Griffin maybe give him a look at no.6. He is not a good enough Full Back for this level. Fionn Fitzgerald has gone back a lot. He has lost form. Watching him for Crokes this year also I have noticed it. He could still get a look in the League but for me his position is up for grabs in the Panel unless he regains form. Shane Enright had his best year for Kerry in 2015. I was not a big fan of him but in the last two years he has been very good. He is our best back right now. I hope he can continue it in 2016. Cormac Coffey (Kerins O'Rahillys) and Brian O'Beaglaoich (An Ghaeltacht) are promising u21s who in time will get a look. I would not be surprised if Kerry won the u21s that they would get a call up. Half Back Line: Jonathan Lyne had a good year. Killian Young is still performing well. Peter Crowley gives us options. I think we still need to look for a no.6. Will they try Mark Griffin here? He has the strength but has he the skills. Jack Sherwood and Paul Murphy gives us options at No.5 and No.7. Tadhg Morley (Templenoe) is a guy that has played underage there for Kerry. I think you could look at him. Jack Barry (Na Gaeil) would he be worth a look. James Walsh (Knocknagoshel) had a bright future at one time but injuries and a lack of form seem to hold him back. Is he still worth a look. This years minor Andrew Barry (Na Gaeil) is a very promising player and I think in time he will be our No.6 but for now he is too young. MidField: Anthony Maher will miss some of the League. Surely Tommy Walsh will get plenty chance in 2016 to see what he can do. We need him to step up really. David Moran was not as good this year as he was in 2014 but he is still a good player and one of our main men. Would either of the Legion pair Sean Keane or Jamie O'Sullivan be worth a look? We have two great prospects in dingle pair Barry O'Sullivan and Mark O'Connor but again too young we will have to wait. Bryan Sheehan is another option there. Would Gary O'Sullivan (Listry) be worth a look? They do have options at least. Half Forward line: Stephen O'Brien John Buckley Donnacha Walsh (who should get a rest)Darren O'Sullivan are all options but we need to find one or two more. Mike Geaney is injured. Alan Fitzgerald (Castlegregory) will get a look. How about Greg Horan ( Austin Stacks) and Gary O'Leary (Kilcummin) would they be worth a look. Jeff O'Donoghue (Glenflesk) is a player with a lot of ability. Micheál Burns (Dr Crokes) Matthew Flaherty (Dingle) and Brian O'Seanachain (Ballydonoghue) are future prospects. Full Forward Line: How about James O'Donoghue when healthy to get a look at No.11. It would not hurt to try him out there. Cooper and Donaghy can still offer Kerry a lot but I think it is coming off the Bench. Their days as starters for me are over. Paul Geaney Barry John Keane are good forwards but they lack consistency. Thomas Hickey (Castleisland Desmonds) will surely get a look. Gavin O'Grady (Glenbeigh/Glencar) should get a look. How about Conor Cox (Listowel Emmetts) will he get a chance? Conor Keane (Legion) im sute when the u21s are done will be called in. How about Killian Spillane (Templenoe) ? Conor Geaney (Dingle) is a good prospect but again too young. Kerry have some very good Minors coming thru but it will take time before they make an impact. I would like Kerry to experiment in this years league. Try players at different positions. Mix some new players with some experienced players. A team like 1 Shane Murphy 2 Gavin Crowley 3 Jack McGuire 4 Shane Enright 5 John Lyne 6 Mark Griffin 7 Paul Murphy 8 David Moran 9 Tommy Walsh 10 Stephen O'Brien 11 Bryan Sheehan 12 Gary O'Leary 13 Thomas Hickey 14 Paul Geaney 15 Gavin O'Grady. Subs 16 Brian Kelly 17 John Buckley 18 BJ Keane 19 Podge O'Connor 20 Conor Cox 21 Jamie O'Sullivan 22 Tadhg Morley 23 Jeff O'Donoghue 24 David Culhane I give you a lot of credit Crocaigh, at least you are thinking along the right lines, even if I don't always agree with you. You are prepared to admit when you may be wrong and not afraid to call it straight on your own club men it would seem, which is more than most would do. To run through the areas you mentioned there: Goalkeeper: I've made my feelings on Kealy known before and they haven't changed, so all I'll say is that I hope Shane Ryan is fully fit for the u21 campaign and shows some progress. I think he is the future. Defenders: I totally agree on Podge O'Connor, Gavin Crowley, David Culhane being deserving of a look. I also think Denis Daly merits a look based on form, although not sure where his best position is. Cathal Murphy, I haven't seen enough of to judge really. I agree with your assessments of Kilkenny and Fionn. If they prove us wrong, great. I don't think Jack McGuire is good enough on the ball to operate at the top level. Again, could be proved wrong in time. James Walsh has possibly suffered from playing too much elsewhere, but he has a lot of ability. Not sure if he'll ever make it there. I don't see Sherwood or Jack Barry (more of a forward I'd think?) making it at this level. Tadhg Morley has been ok at underage level but may fall short. Midfield: Based on what I've seen neither Legion midfielder is up to it. Tommy Walsh surely has to get a run here in the league as you say. Gary O'Sullivan was inexplicably overlooked by the u21 management this year. He's better than that, but not sure if he'd survive in better company. The 2 Dingle lads have big futures if they stick at it, although Barry O'Sullivan is now in college in UCD which makes it a bit awkward. Forwards: Firstly, very harsh to say Paul Geaney lacks consistency. The man has performed well more often than not since overcoming his big injurt problems last year. He has struggled through injuries a lot this year also and yet still produced some good football. He needs to be allowed get fully fit and he will be a huge player for us for years to come. BJK you may have a point on, although he was treated harshly this year to be frank. He should have seen far more game time and with Gooch's waning power, Geaney and possibly Jameso on the mend from injuries, he deserves a starting berth ahead of anyone else right now. Beyond that, you mention a lot of worthy contenders. Conor Keane, Conor Cox (ridiculous if he doesn't get a chance), Denis Daly perhaps, plus a lot of other u21s like Spillane and Burns will all be in contention. Way too soon to be mentioning Matthew Flatherty or Briain O'Seanachain as they aren't ready for it yet. Gavan O'Grady has some ongoing injury/fitness issue that prevents him training at the level required I've heard? Pity as he has buckets of ability. I can see Conor Geaney making a breakthrough into Senior squad in the next 18 months as he is already well on the way to being physically ready for that level. I really can't see Alan Fitzgerald or Gary O'Leary operating at this level but again, if they show improvement they may change my mind. Thomas Hickey I'm torn on. He has such skill and ability but he may just struggle to make the impact needed at the very highest level. Apart from that, Fitzy needs to let his brother in law go. What's done is done, but that needs to be sorted and some deadwood needs to be cleared out.
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Post by Mickmack on Dec 2, 2015 17:19:58 GMT
My understanding is that Paul Geaney had a back problem all year and went for an op straight after the final.
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Post by greengold35 on Dec 2, 2015 17:31:48 GMT
Just a few observations; James Walsh has never delivered on his promising minor days and seems to have been discarded by EF; his displays for St Kieran's would not see him being promoted to the senior squad. Gary O'Leary took time out from football this year for personal reasons so hard to see him being considered in 2016 for the county panel. Of the U-21s I can see Brian O'Beaglaoi making a break through this year- I really think he is that good! He has pace, balance and an innate football brain- comparisons with Tom O'Sullivan are not wide of the mark- expect him to be a big player this year. Cormac Coffey has already been earmarked by EF- he has the ability , certainly the pace but as Kerrybhoy 06 has rightly pointed out he is very raw but has the potential.
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Post by Premier on Dec 2, 2015 18:24:06 GMT
Time is going fast and the National League is only weeks away. What new players will they look at. Goalkeeper: Kerry are probably set with Kealy the regular guy now. Brian Kelly will rotate but I would like to see Shane Murphy (Kilcummin) getting a game or two. He looks to me like the only other Keeper they might bring in. Full Back Line: Age and speed is an issue here. Marc O'Se and Aidan O'Mahony will be 36 next year so we need to find some young players that they can bring in and look at for the League. Gavin Crowley (Templenoe) Jack McGuire(Listowel Emmetts) David Culhane (Ballylongford) Cathal Murphy (Rathmore) and Podge O'Connor (Legion) would be guys I would look at. Pa Kilkenny I think for me is not up to it. Mark Griffin maybe give him a look at no.6. He is not a good enough Full Back for this level. Fionn Fitzgerald has gone back a lot. He has lost form. Watching him for Crokes this year also I have noticed it. He could still get a look in the League but for me his position is up for grabs in the Panel unless he regains form. Shane Enright had his best year for Kerry in 2015. I was not a big fan of him but in the last two years he has been very good. He is our best back right now. I hope he can continue it in 2016. Cormac Coffey (Kerins O'Rahillys) and Brian O'Beaglaoich (An Ghaeltacht) are promising u21s who in time will get a look. I would not be surprised if Kerry won the u21s that they would get a call up. Half Back Line: Jonathan Lyne had a good year. Killian Young is still performing well. Peter Crowley gives us options. I think we still need to look for a no.6. Will they try Mark Griffin here? He has the strength but has he the skills. Jack Sherwood and Paul Murphy gives us options at No.5 and No.7. Tadhg Morley (Templenoe) is a guy that has played underage there for Kerry. I think you could look at him. Jack Barry (Na Gaeil) would he be worth a look. James Walsh (Knocknagoshel) had a bright future at one time but injuries and a lack of form seem to hold him back. Is he still worth a look. This years minor Andrew Barry (Na Gaeil) is a very promising player and I think in time he will be our No.6 but for now he is too young. MidField: Anthony Maher will miss some of the League. Surely Tommy Walsh will get plenty chance in 2016 to see what he can do. We need him to step up really. David Moran was not as good this year as he was in 2014 but he is still a good player and one of our main men. Would either of the Legion pair Sean Keane or Jamie O'Sullivan be worth a look? We have two great prospects in dingle pair Barry O'Sullivan and Mark O'Connor but again too young we will have to wait. Bryan Sheehan is another option there. Would Gary O'Sullivan (Listry) be worth a look? They do have options at least. Half Forward line: Stephen O'Brien John Buckley Donnacha Walsh (who should get a rest)Darren O'Sullivan are all options but we need to find one or two more. Mike Geaney is injured. Alan Fitzgerald (Castlegregory) will get a look. How about Greg Horan ( Austin Stacks) and Gary O'Leary (Kilcummin) would they be worth a look. Jeff O'Donoghue (Glenflesk) is a player with a lot of ability. Micheál Burns (Dr Crokes) Matthew Flaherty (Dingle) and Brian O'Seanachain (Ballydonoghue) are future prospects. Full Forward Line: How about James O'Donoghue when healthy to get a look at No.11. It would not hurt to try him out there. Cooper and Donaghy can still offer Kerry a lot but I think it is coming off the Bench. Their days as starters for me are over. Paul Geaney Barry John Keane are good forwards but they lack consistency. Thomas Hickey (Castleisland Desmonds) will surely get a look. Gavin O'Grady (Glenbeigh/Glencar) should get a look. How about Conor Cox (Listowel Emmetts) will he get a chance? Conor Keane (Legion) im sute when the u21s are done will be called in. How about Killian Spillane (Templenoe) ? Conor Geaney (Dingle) is a good prospect but again too young. Kerry have some very good Minors coming thru but it will take time before they make an impact. I would like Kerry to experiment in this years league. Try players at different positions. Mix some new players with some experienced players. A team like 1 Shane Murphy 2 Gavin Crowley 3 Jack McGuire 4 Shane Enright 5 John Lyne 6 Mark Griffin 7 Paul Murphy 8 David Moran 9 Tommy Walsh 10 Stephen O'Brien 11 Bryan Sheehan 12 Gary O'Leary 13 Thomas Hickey 14 Paul Geaney 15 Gavin O'Grady. Subs 16 Brian Kelly 17 John Buckley 18 BJ Keane 19 Podge O'Connor 20 Conor Cox 21 Jamie O'Sullivan 22 Tadhg Morley 23 Jeff O'Donoghue 24 David Culhane I give you a lot of credit Crocaigh, at least you are thinking along the right lines, even if I don't always agree with you. You are prepared to admit when you may be wrong and not afraid to call it straight on your own club men it would seem, which is more than most would do. To run through the areas you mentioned there: Goalkeeper: I've made my feelings on Kealy known before and they haven't changed, so all I'll say is that I hope Shane Ryan is fully fit for the u21 campaign and shows some progress. I think he is the future. Defenders: I totally agree on Podge O'Connor, Gavin Crowley, David Culhane being deserving of a look. I also think Denis Daly merits a look based on form, although not sure where his best position is. Cathal Murphy, I haven't seen enough of to judge really. I agree with your assessments of Kilkenny and Fionn. If they prove us wrong, great. I don't think Jack McGuire is good enough on the ball to operate at the top level. Again, could be proved wrong in time. James Walsh has possibly suffered from playing too much elsewhere, but he has a lot of ability. Not sure if he'll ever make it there. I don't see Sherwood or Jack Barry (more of a forward I'd think?) making it at this level. Tadhg Morley has been ok at underage level but may fall short. Midfield: Based on what I've seen neither Legion midfielder is up to it. Tommy Walsh surely has to get a run here in the league as you say. Gary O'Sullivan was inexplicably overlooked by the u21 management this year. He's better than that, but not sure if he'd survive in better company. The 2 Dingle lads have big futures if they stick at it, although Barry O'Sullivan is now in college in UCD which makes it a bit awkward. Forwards: Firstly, very harsh to say Paul Geaney lacks consistency. The man has performed well more often than not since overcoming his big injurt problems last year. He has struggled through injuries a lot this year also and yet still produced some good football. He needs to be allowed get fully fit and he will be a huge player for us for years to come. BJK you may have a point on, although he was treated harshly this year to be frank. He should have seen far more game time and with Gooch's waning power, Geaney and possibly Jameso on the mend from injuries, he deserves a starting berth ahead of anyone else right now. Beyond that, you mention a lot of worthy contenders. Conor Keane, Conor Cox (ridiculous if he doesn't get a chance), Denis Daly perhaps, plus a lot of other u21s like Spillane and Burns will all be in contention. Way too soon to be mentioning Matthew Flatherty or Briain O'Seanachain as they aren't ready for it yet. Gavan O'Grady has some ongoing injury/fitness issue that prevents him training at the level required I've heard? Pity as he has buckets of ability. I can see Conor Geaney making a breakthrough into Senior squad in the next 18 months as he is already well on the way to being physically ready for that level. I really can't see Alan Fitzgerald or Gary O'Leary operating at this level but again, if they show improvement they may change my mind. Thomas Hickey I'm torn on. He has such skill and ability but he may just struggle to make the impact needed at the very highest level. Apart from that, Fitzy needs to let his brother in law go. What's done is done, but that needs to be sorted and some deadwood needs to be cleared out. Agree regarding Denis Daly's trouble at holding down a position. Was imperious against Dingle for South Kerry at centre forward yet anonymous for the 2 following games in the same position. Worked hard in the first county final but was all over the place at right half back in the replay, with all of Conor Keane's scores coming down his wing with Daly likely candidate to give away most of them.
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Dec 2, 2015 19:15:59 GMT
Post by Mickmack on Dec 2, 2015 19:15:59 GMT
Donal Cashin, Pundit Arena.
Manage the hype, manage the media, manage the crowd expectation, manage the players, and Jim Gavin’s Dublin will be crowned All Ireland champions for 2016.
The only hurdle I can see is, who will manage Jim Gavin? Gavin comes across as a very measured, very level headed individual, who will not panic under pressure. The one problem for Gavin is not the opposition he will face next year, but in keeping all his very talented panel of players happy and content.
Serial winning managers make the tough calls, who to pick, who to drop, who to risk and how to win. The big call next year might be who to risk.
Eoghan O’Gara, Paul Mannion, Cormac Costello, John Small and Conor McHugh are all available next season to make an impact and to give more selection headaches to Jim Gavin.
The physical O’Gara back from injury, the very talented Mannion back from his travels, Costello another year older, McHugh from the U-21s, and Small ready to make the step up this year, will all be keen to catch the managers eye next year.
Gavin had a big problem last year towards the latter end of the championship; a misfiring Dean Rock and Stephen Cluxton from placed balls. Rock’s overall play was poor and he seemed to lose confidence, while Cluxton had been shaky all season, whether underlying injuries had effected his striking of the ball, something certainly had effected his kicking of frees.
Do the management team now have to make a decision on sticking with Rock, for his free taking, or go for the more robust O’Gara? Is John Small too good a defender to keep on the bench, or would it be unwise to dislodge Cian O’Sullivan from his centre back berth and move him elsewhere?
The big question for every successful team is how to improve on the previous season. Does this mean sticking with the same team that bought you success with a bit of tweaking, or sweeping changes ?
The only sweeping change being done is by their main rivals, as they try to figure out how to beat the All Ireland champions.
Mayo have gone back to the drawing board again with a players’ revolt and insistence on a new management team.
Kerry’s experience is slowly but surely retiring, with the likes of Aidan O’Mahony, Paul Galvin, Marc Ó Sé, Kieran Donaghy and even the ‘Gooch’ retiring or contemplating retirement in the near future. How good are the likes of Paul Geaney and Stephen O’Brien when they are really asked to stand up? Only time will tell.
Donegal will be dangerous on any one off game, but the mileage is showing on fellas like Karl Lacey and Neil Gallagher. Next year would surely be the last trip to the well.
Tyrone for me are the most interesting team next year, with a good mixture of youth and experience. The conveyor belt of underage talented players has started to crank up again. They looked like a team to me last year that bought into Mickey Harte’s defensive system and counter at pace. Players like Mattie Donnelly who has taken over the Sean Kavanagh role of ‘play me anywhere and I’ll give you everything’. Sean Kavanagh is still a vital cog for Tyrone,and where to play him next year could be Mickey Harte’s nugget.
I also feel that Jim Gavin knows that these are his main rivals and the rest of the pack will be brushed aside. He will learn more from the National League in March than the Leinster Championship in June. Testing players like John Small, Conor McHugh and introducing Paul Mannion and Eoghan O’Gara back within the competitive environment could be worth more than the two points on offer for a league victory.
To his credit, Jim Gavin has history here. How many of us had heard of Brian Fenton this time last year ? Not only did he win the man of the match award on All Ireland final day, but he kept Dublin’s best midfielder of the last few years Michael Darragh MacAuley on the bench.
Who will be the Brian Fenton of 2016? This is the motivation he can give to his younger squad players next year. ‘Show me what you can do in training, practice games, national league matches, and I will pick you.’
The older players like Bernard Brogan, Stephen Cluxton, Diarmuid Connelly and Paul Flynn have nothing to prove. They have their All Ireland medals and All Stars. The driving force for them is to go down as all time great Dublin players. To be mentioned in the same breath as Jimmy Keavenny, Brenard Brogan Snr, and Brian Mullins is now only more more All Ireland away. They also know such lofty notions would be immediately flattened by Gavin, where you earn your place on his Dublin team, and unlike before no superstars need apply.
With all the talent at his disposal, Gavin still knows that an injury to a few of his key players would be detrimental. Cluxton, O’Carroll, McMahon, O’Sullivan, MacAuley, Flynn and Bernard Brogan are the spine and engine of his team. These players have been to the forefront of Dublin’s success story, but Gavin will be ruthless in assessing the hunger and freshness of these players come All Ireland quarter final time.
We all know how difficult it is to win back-to-back All Irelands, even Dublin have experienced this. However, with the sheer depth and competition for places in this current team, along with game changers in numerous positions, I cannot see any team competing with the Dubs in 2016.
The competition are evolving while the All Ireland champions move up to another level. A level where every position is covered with like for like players. Tactically, they can run at you, play it long, play it wide, and if that doesn’t work why not bring on one or two All Stars from the bench who are looking to prove a point.
Sport always throws up surprises, drama and unforeseen circumstances, that’s why we love it so much. However, the football championship is getting more predictable each year. The cream usually rises to the top, unless a wounded Kerry, a rejuvenated Mayo, a one last fling Donegal, or a coming of age Tyrone can come with a plan to counter the Dublin onslaught, I can only see one winner of our Football championship next year.
“Success is no accident, it is hard work, perseverance, learning, studying, sacrifice, and most of all, love of what you are doing or learning to do.” – Pele
Donal Cashin, Pundit Arena.
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Dec 2, 2015 22:33:47 GMT
Post by kerrygold on Dec 2, 2015 22:33:47 GMT
They write some dung these days from some of the various media bar stool outlets.
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Dec 3, 2015 3:38:34 GMT
Post by Deleted on Dec 3, 2015 3:38:34 GMT
Look we all know what we are going to get with Dublin now at this stage. No surprises. They will be all out to repeat. They will use the League this year I think to blood a couple of players. Cluxton Brogan Flynn Connolly O'Carroll etc will probably take some time off. Mannion and O'Gara will be a big help for Gavin. If nothing else it strengthens their bench. Small is a good defender but it will be hard to make that back line. Rock and Bastick for me are replaceable in that team. MacAuley will start with Fenton and possibly Mannion should start ahead of Rock. I think it's Kerry or Mayo to stop them. I can't see Donegal or Tyrone beating them. They will sail through Leinster. Nothing to stop them there. If Cork can get a Midfielder and a Full back then they could have a say but I say that every year. It will be hard to beat the Dubs next year. They will have learned from '12 and '14 played poorly in those two semis. Gavin will be determined to not let that happen again.
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Post by kerrygold on Dec 3, 2015 9:01:49 GMT
This is the same Dublin team that Mayo had beaten with 15 minutes to go until Lee Keegan hit the self-destruction button and the same Dublin team who's forwards scored less than a handful of points from play in the All-Ireland final. I don't buy this Dublin invincibility theory at all going into the new year.
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Dec 3, 2015 10:36:56 GMT
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Post by fitz on Dec 3, 2015 10:36:56 GMT
This is the same Dublin team that Mayo had beaten with 15 minutes to go until Lee Keegan hit the self-destruction button and the same Dublin team who's forwards scored less than a handful of points from play in the All-Ireland final. I don't buy this Dublin invincibility theory at all going into the new year. Agreed, else we may not tog out at all. Yes Dublin are the team to beat, but they are definitely beatable and their extra reinforcements will cause as much headache as disprin. We had a car crash final but it needs to be filed away now. We put in a lot of gritty character filled displays last year and one match doesn't wash any of that away. We'll be back again for battle in 2016, hungrier and wiser.
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