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Post by Annascaultilidie on Aug 12, 2015 8:58:25 GMT
Will Michael Shiels get the same for his dive against us in the replay? This suspension is yet again, a reaction to media outrage and hysteria. What Mc Cann did was despicable,yes, but no less so than hard man Shiels who doesn't get hauled over the coals,doesn't get banned for the exact same offence. I wouldn't have a problem with suspensions if they were consistently and fairly applied across the board. Who is making the rules here? I think the difference, and it shouldn't be a difference imo as surely the actions were the same, was that the referee was not conned by Shields. I for one and for once hope that Tyrone quickly appeal this decision and are successful. I hope that it happens fast because when if it is too late they are better off not considering him for the Kerry game. Mayo were insane not to accept Lee Keegan's suspension last year I felt: it is just a distraction. Perhaps such a 'political ban' would be appropriate earlier in the season but not now... not with the county fighting for honours on the national stage.
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Post by Dermot on Aug 12, 2015 9:12:07 GMT
.. Fitzwop, I honestly dont see it quite like that - Finley hit him two punches to the head .. one a rabbit punch .. thats not good... As regards McManus elbow to the ribs .. how can you or anyone know how hard that was .. looked hard enough to me ...Would James O'Donaghue not have went down in those cercumstances ? Yeah, very disappointing to see his antics at the end .. was jumping around like a rag doll .. it looked so weird .. Hopefully he wont be at that sh1te again because he's a fine player .. just needs to catch himself on a bit from now on!! In all honesty, no one knows what actually happened in the Minot or U21 matches earlier in the year yet a lot of people seem to be outraged at Tyrones behaviour .. With all due respect Fitzwop, how can you or anyone else for that matter slate Tyrone for something which you have "ENTIRELY" no proof of ? Of course we have gamesmanship but so do all the other top 8 teams .. Kerry are no shrinking violets in this arena either .. just look at the 71 & 72 minutes of last years All Ireland Final.. I believe since 2003 there has been an anti-tyrone backlash which has steadily gotten worse and is now just a matter of all the sheep following suit .. This has been enhanced by M Hartes relationship with RTE I presume.. I respect your view Fitzwop as you come accross fairly balanced so Im a little disappointing that you have joined the bandwagon so to speak .. I guess that means we (Tyrone) really should be trying to nip this in the bud as it will also undoubtedly have an adverse affect on future games, just as it did with the reffing of the 2013 semi with Mayo.. Having "SOMEONE" talking to RTE would surely help .. then again maybe not. I have read may of the pundits articles on the match and the one that stuck out the most was our friend Joe Brolly who stated that on the 53 minute Sean Cavanagh lay down wasting time for minutes .. Well he would, he'd just been rabbit punched in the back of the head and then punched again in the Jaw .. I'd want a wee lay down too lol ... Then Brolly complained about Colm Cavanagh laying down on the 70th minute .. No mention of the FACT that he'd just been taken out of it by K Hughes ..... STupit & UNTRUE allegations by Brolly .. the worst of it is that even though the video evidence is clearly there to prove him 100% wrong, he can spout whet he likes with no comeback .... just like the others on the bandwagon All I ask for is balance and equality when reporting on or discussing these things .. Tyrone arent getting that and havent been for a good few years now.... I think if people really tried to think for themselves they would see this.. Wouldnt it be great to be able to talk about the game !! I take your points Dermot. I do think I'm mostly balanced, get a bit passionate at times, but try to be conscious of how I write and do a couple of rechecks before posting if the material in particular will generate a lot of potentially different impassioned opinions. I made a comment before, in summary asking a poster(Kerry) to go outside, give himself a kick up the backside and come back in more positive and objective. It was tongue in cheek and meant to kind of say there is a load of positives you're not seeing, the kickup the ass was meant in jest. That's not how it was read, it was read as an insult and I was invited round to that person's house to discuss dishing out boots up the hole. Funny in hindsight but how you perceive and mean something you write won't be how it is read necessarily. Funnier in hindsight when I checked the posters profile the sex was 'female' :-) I haven't seen that poster on for a while, but if he/she logs in, hopefully will enjoy it. You're right regarding all of these incidents where I was not present, could not hear - my views are influenced by third party information, by person or media. Leaving all the individual incidents aside, I think you have a point re: 2003 and maybe the way that team achieved its success, the aggression and intensity used (all perfectly legit), that maybe anti-Tyrone sentiment did start from there. I do however think that the number of incidents across club/minor/senior teams over the last 10 years that have involved Tyrone is open to be challenged as to why this trend is continuing that we are not witnessing with other counties. Is that not reasonable? Fitzwop, yes you are fair and I do accept that we do have problems .. All Im saying is that due to the constant media outbursts we are getting a pavlovian reaction (as I heard someone say yesterday .. explains it well though) .. I could write the next days match reports myself the night before every Tyrone game .. no matter what age group.. Its all so very predictable now... And this 8 week ban for McCann is just incredible .. more proof if we ever needed it .. No precedent and from the mouths of 2 gob*es sitting in TSG ... It would be funny if it wasnt so ridiculous.. On a lighter note, I do know what you mean regarding the perception of ones posts .. Ive had to ring up the odd perplexed person to explain something which I thought was hilarious but obviously just didnt translate ... Sometime you just gotta be there :-) lol Thankfully no one on here has yet asked me round for a fight but I reckon its been close lol ... BTW, if she asks again just make sure it aint Rhonda Rousey !!!!
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Post by Dermot on Aug 12, 2015 9:18:10 GMT
If they do charge him and look to ban him for 8 weeks its a disgrace. The diving has being going on all summer, look at shields against kerry. Only an issue now as the Sunday game highlighted it so much. As usual TSG setting the disciplinary agenda for the GAA. Not a hope this will stick and i hope he gets off. You can't retrospectively legislate for diving really being honest. Who is to arbitrate the necessary amount of force a fella has to be hit with or tackled with before its not a dive? Can bigger fellas be hit harder before they can hit the deck? The GAA is fast becoming a parody of itself Exactly, complete joke ... Should players wear a g-force meter and a pain barometer ? The GAA really are a dose if they let TSG and pundits set the agenda and apparently the rules.. Good Grief
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Post by Dermot on Aug 12, 2015 9:28:46 GMT
If this is true (that he got an 8 week ban), the GAA higher ups really need to have a look at who are on these committees as they are obviously easily swayed by public opinion and are not very logical in their application of the rules. Unlike Galvin and P. Russell this won't even need to go to the DRA.. The process is the CCCC hands out a 'proposed' penalty, the player can accept it or request a hearing. Once a hearing is requested the proposed ban is essentially void and it is up to the hearings committee to decide on a punishment if any. In the case of a hearing the player is present with 2 reps from the Tyrone Co. Board and the CCCC is represented by 2 members, with the CCCC having to justify why the ban was handed down.. The only reason they could have given an 8 week ban is for bringing the game into disrepute which is the most 'general offense' you could pick. At the same time it is a pretty hard one to prove for a player, it is easy to justify when brining it against a club involved in a malee or some other dispute, but very difficult to prove in the case of a player. Did he really, by himself, bring the game into disrepute? Hughes did after all place his hand on McCann's head. Tyrone will argue and show all the past incidents of diving where no retrospective action was taken, and that will be the end of it.. Game, set and Match! You can be sure no one in the Kerry camp will think for a minute that this will be upheld, because it won't.. On the other hand it does play a little in Kerry's favor as the media frenzy will be firmly focused on our comrades from the Red Hand county, and it will be a good week before this gets resolved, at which point Kerry should be close to team selection! The draw back of course is that it is further fodder for the 'us against the rest' mentality that they may have.. I guess Mikey Harte will have to boycott RTE again... As previous posters have mentioned it was not so long ago that there were massive witch hunts going on for certain Kerry players, in most cases incidents being grossly exaggerated.. It is not a nice place to be, Kerry folk would do well to ignore it and just move on. Correct ... This will probably disrupt our preperations, especially McCanns, more than Kerry but there is also a slight chance that it may galvanise Tyrone even more ...... If I had my wish though I wouldnt take the chance though .. All this cant be good for us especially when considering the refereeing of the next match
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Post by buck02 on Aug 12, 2015 10:36:34 GMT
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Post by fitz on Aug 12, 2015 10:49:14 GMT
I take your points Dermot. I do think I'm mostly balanced, get a bit passionate at times, but try to be conscious of how I write and do a couple of rechecks before posting if the material in particular will generate a lot of potentially different impassioned opinions. I made a comment before, in summary asking a poster(Kerry) to go outside, give himself a kick up the backside and come back in more positive and objective. It was tongue in cheek and meant to kind of say there is a load of positives you're not seeing, the kickup the ass was meant in jest. That's not how it was read, it was read as an insult and I was invited round to that person's house to discuss dishing out boots up the hole. Funny in hindsight but how you perceive and mean something you write won't be how it is read necessarily. Funnier in hindsight when I checked the posters profile the sex was 'female' :-) I haven't seen that poster on for a while, but if he/she logs in, hopefully will enjoy it. You're right regarding all of these incidents where I was not present, could not hear - my views are influenced by third party information, by person or media. Leaving all the individual incidents aside, I think you have a point re: 2003 and maybe the way that team achieved its success, the aggression and intensity used (all perfectly legit), that maybe anti-Tyrone sentiment did start from there. I do however think that the number of incidents across club/minor/senior teams over the last 10 years that have involved Tyrone is open to be challenged as to why this trend is continuing that we are not witnessing with other counties. Is that not reasonable? Fitzwop, yes you are fair and I do accept that we do have problems .. All Im saying is that due to the constant media outbursts we are getting a pavlovian reaction (as I heard someone say yesterday .. explains it well though) .. I could write the next days match reports myself the night before every Tyrone game .. no matter what age group.. Its all so very predictable now... And this 8 week ban for McCann is just incredible .. more proof if we ever needed it .. No precedent and from the mouths of 2 gob*es sitting in TSG ... It would be funny if it wasnt so ridiculous.. On a lighter note, I do know what you mean regarding the perception of ones posts .. Ive had to ring up the odd perplexed person to explain something which I thought was hilarious but obviously just didnt translate ... Sometime you just gotta be there :-) lol Thankfully no one on here has yet asked me round for a fight but I reckon its been close lol ... BTW, if she asks again just make sure it aint Rhonda Rousey !!!! Indeed - how would any lad go out with her? Nothing to do with her appearance. Any argument could see a lad end up in a casket. "It's over Rhonda. It sure is Hank" (serious stereotype). Noise(Scream/whimper). Silence. Over.
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Post by Dermot on Aug 12, 2015 11:00:27 GMT
Fitzwop, yes you are fair and I do accept that we do have problems .. All Im saying is that due to the constant media outbursts we are getting a pavlovian reaction (as I heard someone say yesterday .. explains it well though) .. I could write the next days match reports myself the night before every Tyrone game .. no matter what age group.. Its all so very predictable now... And this 8 week ban for McCann is just incredible .. more proof if we ever needed it .. No precedent and from the mouths of 2 gob*es sitting in TSG ... It would be funny if it wasnt so ridiculous.. On a lighter note, I do know what you mean regarding the perception of ones posts .. Ive had to ring up the odd perplexed person to explain something which I thought was hilarious but obviously just didnt translate ... Sometime you just gotta be there :-) lol Thankfully no one on here has yet asked me round for a fight but I reckon its been close lol ... BTW, if she asks again just make sure it aint Rhonda Rousey !!!! Indeed - how would any lad go out with her? Nothing to do with her appearance. Any argument could see a lad end up in a casket. "It's over Rhonda. It sure is Hank" (serious stereotype). Noise(Scream/whimper). Silence. Over. lol ... I think I'd end it by text .. from another continent if possible .. Syria might be a safe place !!!!
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Post by leesider on Aug 12, 2015 11:05:08 GMT
I heard Eva Carneiro is taking over as the new Tyrone physio. So now we know why Tiernan dived. I can foresee this happening a lot with the Tyrone lads from now on. :-)
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Post by Dermot on Aug 12, 2015 11:16:17 GMT
I heard Eva Carneiro is taking over as the new Tyrone physio. So now we know why Tiernan dived. I can foresee this happening a lot with the Tyrone lads from now on. :-) Might bring the boots for the next game myself !!
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Post by leesider on Aug 12, 2015 11:27:04 GMT
I heard Eva Carneiro is taking over as the new Tyrone physio. So now we know why Tiernan dived. I can foresee this happening a lot with the Tyrone lads from now on. :-) Might bring the boots for the next game myself !! Yeah we'll all be doing a Seanie Johnstone and transferring
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Post by seamo on Aug 12, 2015 13:10:49 GMT
Diving can of course be legislated for. I don't know why some people bother watching/following the game if they are so open and easy about cheating.
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Post by Dermot on Aug 12, 2015 13:32:54 GMT
Diving can of course be legislated for. I don't know why some people bother watching/following the game if they are so open and easy about cheating. Of course it can Seamo .. but not with 3 games left in the season .. and not when its being focused on one team when others have had no such sanctions for similar incidents.. Personally I'd love to see diving out of the game but rule changes are required for that to happen .. Not some numpties on TSG?
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Post by seamo on Aug 12, 2015 14:17:01 GMT
Diving can of course be legislated for. I don't know why some people bother watching/following the game if they are so open and easy about cheating. Of course it can Seamo .. but not with 3 games left in the season .. and not when its being focused on one team when others have had no such sanctions for similar incidents.. Personally I'd love to see diving out of the game but rule changes are required for that to happen .. Not some numpties on TSG? I agree with you, I said last night when this first broke that it was wrong. Ideally this fella shouldn't be allowed play again given he and MH have shown no remorse (I realise I'm being extreme!! )...BUT like Paul, Tomas etc. before it shouldn't be so selective. Can't and shouldn't punish this guy simply because TSG decided they disliked this more than any other diving incidents, it's wrong now just as it was 5/6 years ago when Kerry were the only one's to talk out on this matter. I hope also someone see's sense to resend the red card given to Dessie Hughes. Also very disappointed with Mickey Harte on this issue his response to it is appalling. Mickey got his blanket defence from the Aussie Rules boys, he should have copied some of their ideas on "culture" within a club/team/game while he was at it. Rant over!
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Post by G_S_J on Aug 12, 2015 14:46:25 GMT
I saw someone remark, that McCann's eight weeks will create a siege mentality that will drive Tyrone on, I thought they already had a siege going!
A siege mentality is a fine thing in hindsight, more often than not though it makes sides look joyless and uptight. If you need a siege mentality to push you on for an All-Ireland title you might as well not even bother. None of this stuff does Tyrone any favors and they will continue to be in this loop until they have a look at themselves, which I think they're inclined not to do because they wont like what they'll see staring back at them.
As long as they're getting results they're not going to change, and if a few players get suspensions or sent off it's because everyone is out to get them. An endless cycle of victimhood and whataboutery.
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Post by Ballyfireside on Aug 12, 2015 15:01:18 GMT
The basis of TSG is to give opinions but when we don't like what we hear we call it 'trial by media'. Unprovoked abuse is wrong but one must stand their ground and moreover if the powers that be let you down and as they generally do. Responsible Authority in Ireland is weak as a culture of no consequences is endemic in our society, hence the level of respect for it varies. Mary McAleese long ago said Rome Is Burning in this respect so we are not talking Nip And Tuck here, it is structural and when we see others flouting the law are we surprised when youngsters in the pressurised environment (that is the dying moments of a game) take the short cut through the regulations? What the little ones see the little ones do. Tyrone folk had it tough as regulation failed them, and then you take the law into your own hands. The south is far from pretty too, so what we are seeing here are symptoms of that culture and it is ugly when it raises it's head ion sports but we all live in the same world. To me the worst aspect is that those in charge are benefitting from such malfunction so they will do all in their power to resist any remedy that might cost them. All so sad but so true.
In a way it is partially irrelevant who the culprits are, what is relevant is that refereeing must adapt to correct it and the idea of retrospective penalties based on video evidence is perfectly legitimate as it is with other offences. What is key though is that it is implemented even handedly and the Black Card is hardly a blue print. Having said that these things take time to settle down and the Black Card will serve it's purpose given time, although some referees look like they are protecting and if they are then sack 'em.
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Post by Fado on Aug 12, 2015 15:33:25 GMT
And where was the referee when all this was happening? Ringside seat methinks!
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Post by seamo on Aug 12, 2015 15:35:24 GMT
The basis of TSG is to give opinions but when we don't like what we hear we call it 'trial by media'. Unprovoked abuse is wrong but one must stand their ground and moreover if the powers that be let you down and as they generally do. Responsible Authority in Ireland is weak as a culture of no consequences is endemic in our society, hence the level of respect for it varies. Mary McAleese long ago said Rome Is Burning in this respect so we are not talking Nip And Tuck here, it is structural and when we see others flouting the law are we surprised when youngsters in the pressurised environment (that is the dying moments of a game) take the short cut through the regulations? What the little ones see the little ones do. Tyrone folk had it tough as regulation failed them, and then you take the law into your own hands. The south is far from pretty too, so what we are seeing here are symptoms of that culture and it is ugly when it raises it's head ion sports but we all live in the same world. To me the worst aspect is that those in charge are benefitting from such malfunction so they will do all in their power to resist any remedy that might cost them. All so sad but so true. In a way it is partially irrelevant who the culprits are, what is relevant is that refereeing must adapt to correct it and the idea of retrospective penalties based on video evidence is perfectly legitimate as it is with other offences. What is key though is that it is implemented even handedly and the Black Card is hardly a blue print. Having said that these things take time to settle down and the Black Card will serve it's purpose given time, although some referees look like they are protecting and if they are then sack 'em. Highlighting stuff on TSG and giving opinions on it is fine but it shouldn't be the catalyst to which the CCCC determines who to punish and who not to punish as has been the case. I said the black card would be a failure and it has turned out that way. Inconsistent use of it.
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Post by Dermot on Aug 12, 2015 15:37:39 GMT
Of course it can Seamo .. but not with 3 games left in the season .. and not when its being focused on one team when others have had no such sanctions for similar incidents.. Personally I'd love to see diving out of the game but rule changes are required for that to happen .. Not some numpties on TSG? I agree with you, I said last night when this first broke that it was wrong. Ideally this fella shouldn't be allowed play again given he and MH have shown no remorse (I realise I'm being extreme!! )...BUT like Paul, Tomas etc. before it shouldn't be so selective. Can't and shouldn't punish this guy simply because TSG decided they disliked this more than any other diving incidents, it's wrong now just as it was 5/6 years ago when Kerry were the only one's to talk out on this matter. I hope also someone see's sense to resend the red card given to Dessie Hughes. Also very disappointed with Mickey Harte on this issue his response to it is appalling. Mickey got his blanket defence from the Aussie Rules boys, he should have copied some of their ideas on "culture" within a club/team/game while he was at it. Rant over! Hughes already was being sent off for a second yellow/black card for the bad tackle on C Cavanagh... Dont remember Mickey getting anything from Aussie rules but maybe I missed that bit .. And what exactly did he do wrong in your eyes with his response?
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Post by Ard Mhacha on Aug 12, 2015 15:40:12 GMT
Jaysus lads, slow down. I can't keep up!
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Post by Dermot on Aug 12, 2015 15:42:15 GMT
I saw someone remark, that McCann's eight weeks will create a siege mentality that will drive Tyrone on, I thought they already had a siege going! A siege mentality is a fine thing in hindsight, more often than not though it makes sides look joyless and uptight. If you need a siege mentality to push you on for an All-Ireland title you might as well not even bother. None of this stuff does Tyrone any favors and they will continue to be in this loop until they have a look at themselves, which I think they're inclined not to do because they wont like what they'll see staring back at them. As long as they're getting results they're not going to change, and if a few players get suspensions or sent off it's because everyone is out to get them. An endless cycle of victimhood and whataboutery. Pot / Kettle and all that ... It wont do us any favours if 2013 is anything to go by .. the last hysterical outrage against Tyrone .. for doing what others were doing and will do again.. Judge Tyrone surely, but judge them by the same standards as everyone else gets judged .. Whether some people want to accept it or not, that aint happening Im afraid !!
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Post by Dermot on Aug 12, 2015 15:44:27 GMT
Jaysus lads, slow down. I can't keep up! infamy infamy they've all got it in for me
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Post by G_S_J on Aug 12, 2015 15:56:08 GMT
I saw someone remark, that McCann's eight weeks will create a siege mentality that will drive Tyrone on, I thought they already had a siege going! A siege mentality is a fine thing in hindsight, more often than not though it makes sides look joyless and uptight. If you need a siege mentality to push you on for an All-Ireland title you might as well not even bother. None of this stuff does Tyrone any favors and they will continue to be in this loop until they have a look at themselves, which I think they're inclined not to do because they wont like what they'll see staring back at them. As long as they're getting results they're not going to change, and if a few players get suspensions or sent off it's because everyone is out to get them. An endless cycle of victimhood and whataboutery. Pot / Kettle and all that ... It wont do us any favours if 2013 is anything to go by .. the last hysterical outrage against Tyrone .. for doing what others were doing and will do again.. Judge Tyrone surely, but judge them by the same standards as everyone else gets judged .. Whether some people want to accept it or not, that aint happening Im afraid !! I'll say it again, whataboutery Remember, Cavan v Monaghan, not a dirty stroke and Donegal v Armagh, even a derby match like Derry and Donegal. As soon as Tyrone enter the fray and the game is tight it's a different story. The U21 final against Tipp The Donegal brawl and the unreal sledging allegations from the minor match before it Last Saturday's diving getting players sent off You need to get your heads out of the sand and stop worrying about what other counties do. You have serious disciplinary issues, you have to admit you have a bad element that does your reputation no favors, unless that's the kind of reputation you like.
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Post by Dermot on Aug 12, 2015 16:49:56 GMT
Pot / Kettle and all that ... It wont do us any favours if 2013 is anything to go by .. the last hysterical outrage against Tyrone .. for doing what others were doing and will do again.. Judge Tyrone surely, but judge them by the same standards as everyone else gets judged .. Whether some people want to accept it or not, that aint happening Im afraid !! I'll say it again, whataboutery Remember, Cavan v Monaghan, not a dirty stroke and Donegal v Armagh, even a derby match like Derry and Donegal. As soon as Tyrone enter the fray and the game is tight it's a different story. The U21 final against Tipp The Donegal brawl and the unreal sledging allegations from the minor match before it Last Saturday's diving getting players sent off You need to get your heads out of the sand and stop worrying about what other counties do. You have serious disciplinary issues, you have to admit you have a bad element that does your reputation no favors, unless that's the kind of reputation you like. Ye can say whataboutery all ye like .. Facts are still facts and you cant judge one team over something whilst completely ignoring it in other teams.. Give me some proof of these claims you have? .. sorry "Allegations" ? BTW, Down had a man sent off against Derry and played a whole half of football with 14 men .. and yes, it was a dive .. pure and simple .. Has it been dragged through the coals .. No it hasnt even though it lost them the game as they lost by 1 point... And are you really trying to say that there has been no other carryons this year .. Come on now, there have been plenty .. and plenty last year too !! .. Tyrone, like every county has its discipline problems but for you or anyone else to say that we're not being singled out by TSG/media etc.. and that we're much worse than anyone else, is simply untrue.. Its people like you who need to remove the head from the sand and stop pandering like sheep to the current jungle beat .. You didnt like it when it was on the other foot but now its ok yes? ...
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Post by inchperfect on Aug 12, 2015 16:50:54 GMT
A siege mentality is a fine thing in hindsight, more often than not though it makes sides look joyless and uptight. If you need a siege mentality to push you on for an All-Ireland title you might as well not even bother. None of this stuff does Tyrone any favors and they will continue to be in this loop until they have a look at themselves, which I think they're inclined not to do because they wont like what they'll see staring back at them. I've felt in certain years we had a siege mentality, especially under Jack. You could almost see it in Declan O'Sullivan's All-Ireland speech, on about how people writing Kerry off and proving doubters wrong etc. I don't think it's a bad thing as such, after all when you're successful, sometimes the only source of motivation is sometimes created by a 'siege mentality', otherwise where is the hunger going to come from? I heard an interview with Tomas a few years back and he said how he'd read papers on the way up to a match to see if there's anything written about him/Kerry that he could turn into an insult that he could use for motivation.
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Post by seamo on Aug 12, 2015 16:56:03 GMT
I agree with you, I said last night when this first broke that it was wrong. Ideally this fella shouldn't be allowed play again given he and MH have shown no remorse (I realise I'm being extreme!! )...BUT like Paul, Tomas etc. before it shouldn't be so selective. Can't and shouldn't punish this guy simply because TSG decided they disliked this more than any other diving incidents, it's wrong now just as it was 5/6 years ago when Kerry were the only one's to talk out on this matter. I hope also someone see's sense to resend the red card given to Dessie Hughes. Also very disappointed with Mickey Harte on this issue his response to it is appalling. Mickey got his blanket defence from the Aussie Rules boys, he should have copied some of their ideas on "culture" within a club/team/game while he was at it. Rant over! Hughes already was being sent off for a second yellow/black card for the bad tackle on C Cavanagh... Dont remember Mickey getting anything from Aussie rules but maybe I missed that bit .. And what exactly did he do wrong in your eyes with his response? "I just want to say that he wasn't entirely to blame for all of this. "If the player who raised his hand had chosen to do something differently then the outcome would have been different as well. Mickey's own naive words. I don't expect him to heavily criticise his own man in public, but christ don't make out that he was wronged in some-way initially.
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Post by Dermot on Aug 12, 2015 17:08:16 GMT
Hughes already was being sent off for a second yellow/black card for the bad tackle on C Cavanagh... Dont remember Mickey getting anything from Aussie rules but maybe I missed that bit .. And what exactly did he do wrong in your eyes with his response? "I just want to say that he wasn't entirely to blame for all of this. "If the player who raised his hand had chosen to do something differently then the outcome would have been different as well. Mickey's own naive words. I don't expect him to heavily criticise his own man in public, but christ don't make out that he was wronged in some-way initially. Very selective there Seamo .. He also admitted McCann was wrong and that the lad knew he shouldnt have done it .. but like Darren Hughes himself said in the papers today, he wasnt completely innocent either .. Players know they cant lift a hand to another player now .. What McCann did was not unique, and as you know its been done before by some very high profile players resulting in sendings off ... And anyway, did you really expect Harte to get stuck into him in the media as well? .. There's enough doing that I think..
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Post by purty on Aug 12, 2015 17:28:35 GMT
Yes, there are many players across many counties engaged in 'simulation'. Some very obvious like McCann, many more difficult to be certain about which makes it extremely difficult to stamp out.
Yes, we all agree that it is bad for the game and it needs to be addressed. Punishing (suspending) players is the only way to deal with it.
Yes, it's tough on the first player to be nailed, but tough is different to unfair. It only becomes unfair if he's the only player to be nailed... and only because there was a media storm.
If this is part of a commitment by the GAA to address simulation, I applaud it. Starting it at quarter final stage is far from ideal, but it has to start sometime.
A clear statement from the powers that be, that this is going to be the way it is going forward, and they then follow up with a consistent approach, would be a positive step. Blatent dives should always be nailed, but the exaggerated falls/injuries will always be open to interpretation and lead to cries of inconsistency..so be it.. just because it's difficult doesn't mean it shouldn't be tackled.
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Post by seamo on Aug 12, 2015 18:12:18 GMT
"I just want to say that he wasn't entirely to blame for all of this. "If the player who raised his hand had chosen to do something differently then the outcome would have been different as well. Mickey's own naive words. I don't expect him to heavily criticise his own man in public, but christ don't make out that he was wronged in some-way initially. Very selective there Seamo .. He also admitted McCann was wrong and that the lad knew he shouldnt have done it .. but like Darren Hughes himself said in the papers today, he wasnt completely innocent either .. Players know they cant lift a hand to another player now .. What McCann did was not unique, and as you know its been done before by some very high profile players resulting in sendings off ... And anyway, did you really expect Harte to get stuck into him in the media as well? .. There's enough doing that I think.. Your final question I have answered already. Not selective at all, I read the whole article, for a manager who advocates such a physical and intense game-plan (not a criticism) it's ridiculous for him to then take issue with with one of his players having his hair ruffled.Michael Murphy got punched in the face and simply put his hands out as if to say wtf, no rolling around on the ground. Worse is done to Star, JOD, Brogan, McCurry etc. everygame and they don't roll around on the ground looking to get a guy sent off. Complete BS by Harte. "Darren Hughes himself said in the papers today, he wasnt completely innocent either" <<Who's being selective now I've read the article, he admitted to nothing other than he was part of it obviously. It's also clear that he doesn't want to rock the boat any further on it and therefore he gave a very politically correct interview. Anyway's it's done now. The response from Harte and Tyrone suggests nobody has learn't anything from this and we're likely to see more of this sort of stuff...from Tyrone AND OTHERS in the future.
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Post by Dermot on Aug 12, 2015 18:19:23 GMT
Very selective there Seamo .. He also admitted McCann was wrong and that the lad knew he shouldnt have done it .. but like Darren Hughes himself said in the papers today, he wasnt completely innocent either .. Players know they cant lift a hand to another player now .. What McCann did was not unique, and as you know its been done before by some very high profile players resulting in sendings off ... And anyway, did you really expect Harte to get stuck into him in the media as well? .. There's enough doing that I think.. Your final question I have answered already. Not selective at all, I read the whole article, for a manager who advocates such a physical and intense game-plan (not a criticism) it's ridiculous for him to then take issue with with one of his players having his hair ruffled. "Darren Hughes himself said in the papers today, he wasnt completely innocent either" <<Who's being selective now I've read the article, he admitted to nothing other than he was part of it obviously. It's also clear that he doesn't want to rock the boat any further on it and therefore he gave a very politically correct interview. Anyway's it's done now. The response from Harte and Tyrone suggests nobody has learn't anything from this and we're likely to see more of this sort of stuff...from Tyrone AND OTHERS in the future. Yes Seamo, my point is that its only Tyrone who are being targeted by the TSG & media for something there is quite a precedent for, including your own county .. Does that sound fair to you? And you're right of course that the ONLY way this will be stamped out is by changing the rules (for everyone, not just Tyrone) .. but how do you do that in any manageable or measurable fashion? ... I dont know !! You certainly cant do it with 3 games of the season left which is what these fools are trying to do at the minute ..
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Post by seamo on Aug 12, 2015 18:28:25 GMT
Your final question I have answered already. Not selective at all, I read the whole article, for a manager who advocates such a physical and intense game-plan (not a criticism) it's ridiculous for him to then take issue with with one of his players having his hair ruffled. "Darren Hughes himself said in the papers today, he wasnt completely innocent either" <<Who's being selective now I've read the article, he admitted to nothing other than he was part of it obviously. It's also clear that he doesn't want to rock the boat any further on it and therefore he gave a very politically correct interview. Anyway's it's done now. The response from Harte and Tyrone suggests nobody has learn't anything from this and we're likely to see more of this sort of stuff...from Tyrone AND OTHERS in the future. Yes Seamo, my point is that its only Tyrone who are being targeted by the TSG & media for something there is quite a precedent for, including your own county .. Does that sound fair to you? And you're right of course that the ONLY way this will be stamped out is by changing the rules (for everyone, not just Tyrone) .. but how do you do that in any manageable or measurable fashion? ... I dont know !! You certainly cant do it with 3 games of the season left which is what these fools are trying to do at the minute .. I have said all that previously. The CCCC are lazy and only seem to get into gear when TSG make a big enough fuss about it. That's wrong, it was wrong 6 years ago when we were complaining about it and the rest of the country said that's just Kerry whinging. So don't tell me or any other Kerry person that TSG have too much influence on what the CCCC does, it's old news to us....yer behind us in everything to do with football Dermot Still disappointing that Harte and the guy with the hair didn't man up and set a good example to everyone else by admitting fault (not an 8 week suspension) and saying it was bad won't happen again etc. rather than putting it back on D.Hughes. I would have given them credit if they had done that, like I said it would have set a good example and gone some ways to eradicating the bad example set on Saturday.
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