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Post by wayupnorth on Jul 2, 2015 20:52:52 GMT
Sure he named a dummy team for Mayo replay last year No dummies on that team - last minute decision to drop Marc and play the Star - both decisions supremely justified - He hasn't let us down yet.
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Post by kerryman22 on Jul 2, 2015 21:11:25 GMT
Sure he named a dummy team for Mayo replay last year No dummies on that team - last minute decision to drop Marc and play the Star - both decisions supremely justified - He hasn't let us down yet. Exactly , in Eamonn we trust . While I was initially apprehensive I'm hoping and confident that we will be here Sunday night lauding his selections once again
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Post by austinstacksabu on Jul 2, 2015 21:16:07 GMT
On Sunday, Kerry's bench will include the following:
21 All Ireland medals 17 All Stars 4 All Ireland final man of the match awards 2 Players of the year One Texaco Player of the Year One Young Player of the Year And that doesn't include Paul Galvin's baubles.
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Post by kerrygold on Jul 2, 2015 21:31:01 GMT
They'll need to weld a RSJ under the Kerry bench for Sunday.
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Post by Chinatown on Jul 2, 2015 21:35:55 GMT
That has not been Eamon's MO up to now. In fact I can't remember the last time Kerry put out a dummy team. No reason to believe that has changed. Agreed, we may be cute kerry feckers but dummy teams methinks not Everyone's always going on about how players going well in training should be picked yet the minute this practice is followed there's a wave of incredulity. Win or lose on Sunday I for one will be lauding Fitzmaurice for this selection, it's made of the right stuff.
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Post by misteallaigh abú on Jul 2, 2015 21:40:36 GMT
Management obviously picking on the form of their A v B games. I'm very surprised, however, at the omission of Maher. He did so much donkey work at midfield last year, he allowed Moran go and do his thing. I can't see Sheehan doing the same. Having said that, Sheehan couldn't have been dropped after his Tipp performance. Some bench though!
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Post by Deise Exile on Jul 2, 2015 21:46:15 GMT
I really hope it works out and if it does I'll be as happy as anyone. Very disappointed for Paul Geaney, he's one of the best forwards in the country and has to be better than BJK
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Post by veteran on Jul 2, 2015 22:09:59 GMT
I am as confused about this selection as I was about the announcement of the return of Paul Galvin at the start of the year. The logic of both moves elude me.
At the outset, I am assuming that Eamon is not going down that irksome road of naming dummy teams.
I suppose the two biggest surprises are the omission of Anthony Maher and Paul Geaney. As the men in possession, and after displaying excellent form in the Tipp game, I was sure and Anthony and Bryan would be retained with David having to be contented with coming on and then staking a claim for future engagements. On the other hand , David may have been supreme during training over the past few weeks.
Assuming he is not injured, Paul Geaney would be one of the first names on my team sheet. Gutsy and industrious as he is, irrespective of form in training, I would be very reluctant to select BJK before Paul.
That full back line is very compromised from a physical standpoint. In that context, I expected AO'M or Mark Griffin at full back. On the other hand, I was very impressed by Fionn in the Crokes/Shannon Rangers game. I presume he will have the task of chasing Mark Collins- a busy afternoon for him!
Like David Moran, the faithful Doncha must have sizzled in training which is a testament to him in view of his long lay off. I was expecting Johnny Buckley on the wing with Colm on the forty. I am not at all surprised to see Johnny on. He rarely plays two poor games in a row and some of his best games have been against Cork.
Perhaps not surprised, but I am disappointed that Colm is not starting. I want to see him play every minute of every game before he hands in his gun. Apart from the Antrim game a few years ago, when he had been sent to Coventry for some waywardness, I cannot recall him coming on as a substitute in the championship before.
Another aspect of this selection, sad in a way , is that there was never a question of starting Tommy Walsh.
So, it seems, that Eamon is as good as his word in picking guys on the evidence of form in training. Speaking about that, while walking about town today I met a man who solemnly told me that " training is going very bad". Now this man is from Duagh. I am not sure how he would know anything about the training with gates closed etc. By "going bad in training" did he mean that certain top players were not impressing in training. I dismissed his opinion at the time but with the announcement of the team perhaps he was on to something, not least in respect of his club man!
Going well in training is of course very important but of course it does not take into consideration the coldblooded, steely nerve required for a Sunday afternoon in July at the foothills of the Killarney mountains. Eamon has displayed his brave, ruthless streak in the past, not least in the dropping of Marc O'Se. The hope is that mean, ruthless streak is again rewarded. Otherwise, Eamon maybe remembered for an act of lunacy which set us on a potholed passage to a Q/F rendezvous with our Dublin brothers.
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Post by Deise Exile on Jul 2, 2015 22:13:05 GMT
We will put them back on their arses for 10 years
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Post by Tadhgeen on Jul 2, 2015 22:24:11 GMT
They'll need to weld a RSJ under the Kerry bench for Sunday. That's totally immaterial in my view. RSJ my arse.
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Post by Mickmack on Jul 2, 2015 22:29:24 GMT
The team you finish with is as important as the one you start with.
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Post by stevieq on Jul 2, 2015 22:34:21 GMT
Happy enough with selection. Have every faith that he knows what he's at. Never a huge fan of BJK but hope that he repays the managers trust in him.
For a team that picked itself a few years ago this is great stuff. Can't remember a time when competition for places was so fierce.
Was nervous enough about the match all week but for some strange reason this selection has calmed me a bit.
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Post by MeathExile on Jul 2, 2015 23:15:50 GMT
Good selection overall - keeps everyone on their toes. Paul Geaney biggest surprise for me.
Similar approach as Galway game last year - few big names left on the bench that day as well and it paid dividends when the pressure really came on against Mayo. Methinks Eamonn and co feel they can take this one and not willing to show full hand as yet.
Up to last year our lads had been struggling to win ball and drive forward in half forward line. This selection continues with last years approach of having strong ball winners and carriers in that line.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 3, 2015 2:07:07 GMT
Very surprised Geaney and Cooper not starting. It is still a good forward line. Enright has to be in to pick up Hurley. Interesting to see who will pickup O'Neill. Who will Marc pickup. I doubt Mark Collins will start at no.14 watch him move out in a swap with Donnacha O'Connor. They could also go with a 2 man full forward line of Hurley and O'Neill. O'Neill is their best forward. It's possible Crowley could go no him with Marc taking O'Connor. Fionn on Kerrigan. Killian on Collins. Lyne on O'Driscoll. It should be intersting either way. Barry O'Driscoll playing in the backs is another strange one always played in the forwards. Buckley could play as a third midfielder. Keane to move out and leave Donaghy and James inside. Tactics on both sides will be interesting. Kerry have a strong bench and hopefully that will see them win.
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Post by kerryexile on Jul 3, 2015 7:22:17 GMT
Couple of points on the team for the replay against Mayo last year. The game was 6 days after the drawn game, Eamonn wouldn’t know until Tuesday or Wednesday how players were recovering, was probably under pressure from printers to give a team for the programme, gave the same team without any outlandish changes. Ultimately he made a couple of changes.
Very unfair to say he published a dummy team.
There is a touch of Cody about the selection.
I think the comment by Mickmack that the team you finish with is as important as the team you start with is very appropriate here. The game will be very close but the bench will put daylight between the teams in the second half.
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Post by gladiator on Jul 3, 2015 8:03:58 GMT
I really think in football terms Kerry now have what Kilkenny had in there golden era . A v b games which are as good as most championship games bar the top 4 to 5 teams.
These lads are well sharpened and will show it on Sunday .
Aidan Murphy gooch maher and Geaney will all make a showing on the 2nd half to drive the nail further into cork . This will be where we will see us finishing with a stronger 15 that started and this I believe will be the format for the rest of the year.
Eamon is thinking about the long road and not just Sunday
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Post by mandad on Jul 3, 2015 8:07:45 GMT
I would suggest that contributors to the discussion desist from describing players not on the starting 15 as being 'dropped'. A panel of players is like a heap of bricks. Bricks may be made, but there is no reason for their existence unless they are to form part of a building. Nobody is ‘dropped’ or carrying an injury and the management have a powerful hand to play off a bench that will have a big impact on this game before the final whistle. With respect to your Duagh acquaintance Veteran, my information is that training has been most satisfactory and of the highest order. Eamon Fitzmaurice has the benefit of being able to draw on the wisdom of some of the shrewdest thinkers in the game in Sheehy, Murphy and Cian O'Neill. Obviously there had to be some marginal calls but there is a lot of rationale in it and overall I am happy with the selection. Looking forward to the shoot-out now.
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Post by kot on Jul 3, 2015 8:24:21 GMT
I would suggest that contributors to the discussion desist from describing players not on the starting 15 as being 'dropped'. A panel of players is like a heap of bricks. Bricks may be made, but there is no reason for their existence unless they are to form part of a building. Nobody is ‘dropped’ or carrying an injury and the management have a powerful hand to play off a bench that will have a big impact on this game before the final whistle. With respect to your Duagh acquaintance Veteran, my information is that training has been most satisfactory and of the highest order. Eamon Fitzmaurice has the benefit of being able to draw on the wisdom of some of the shrewdest thinkers in the game in Sheehy, Murphy and Cian O'Neill. Obviously there had to be some marginal calls but there is a lot of rationale in it and overall I am happy with the selection. Looking forward to the shoot-out now. Indeed.... Gooch will be on within the first 25 minutes after the initial Cork onslaught from the half back line dies down. Mark my words. Its not his forté tracking back, he was caught for a couple of times early from no. 11 against Cork 2 years ago. I think he will come in fresh when quite a few players have expended a lot of energy. Considering he has played ONE competitive game in 22 months for his county, is this really as much a hullabaloo as everyone is making out.
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Post by kot on Jul 3, 2015 8:26:07 GMT
And to add to that and echo what others have said, would you prefer Gooch on for the last 50 minutes of first 50 minutes??
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Post by animal on Jul 3, 2015 8:37:44 GMT
I would suggest that contributors to the discussion desist from describing players not on the starting 15 as being 'dropped'. A panel of players is like a heap of bricks. Bricks may be made, but there is no reason for their existence unless they are to form part of a building. Nobody is ‘dropped’ or carrying an injury and the management have a powerful hand to play off a bench that will have a big impact on this game before the final whistle. With respect to your Duagh acquaintance Veteran, my information is that training has been most satisfactory and of the highest order. Eamon Fitzmaurice has the benefit of being able to draw on the wisdom of some of the shrewdest thinkers in the game in Sheehy, Murphy and Cian O'Neill. Obviously there had to be some marginal calls but there is a lot of rationale in it and overall I am happy with the selection. Looking forward to the shoot-out now. Agree with all of that. I can seldom recall a team being so hard to predict. So many tight calls. It's all positive. I am in the camp that would have Gooch starting. Like Veteran I feel that every minute he sits on the bench we as supporters are losing out. However in Eamon we trust. I also have a concern in the backs. I always felt better when there was a Rathnore man or two in the backs against Cork. No better boyos than them from the border to deliver on the big day against Cork. I hope they are not missed. The half forward line was always going to be a bone of contention. I had presumed that either Bryan or David would start on the half forward line but not so. Maher, so often our engine is on the bench. He will surely come on at some point. Buckley despite a poor game against Tipp is well worth his place. He too fronts up well against our neighbours. Stephen O'Brien I feel still has to click. There's massive potential there but he has not really had a good run at it. And run is what I'd like to see him do. He has speed to burn and I hope he utilises it. Donnchadh has played so little football in 2015. he may be a 45 minute man on Sunday. The full forward line is also fascinating. Fair play to BJK. he has obviously done enough. Can he prove himself to be an effective starter rather than the highly effective impact sub of 2014? It's tough on Geaney. Donaghy continues his remarkable rehabilitation. 12 months ago nobody could have imagined him as a nailed on starter once more yet here he is. A massive day for him on Sunday and he will have more pressure on him than most being captain. Finally welcome back James. Cork tried God knows how many men on him last year to no avail. If he creates even half the havoc that he did last year we'll be well on our way.
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Post by buck02 on Jul 3, 2015 8:38:13 GMT
I would suggest that contributors to the discussion desist from describing players not on the starting 15 as being 'dropped'. A panel of players is like a heap of bricks. Bricks may be made, but there is no reason for their existence unless they are to form part of a building. Nobody is ‘dropped’ or carrying an injury and the management have a powerful hand to play off a bench that will have a big impact on this game before the final whistle. With respect to your Duagh acquaintance Veteran, my information is that training has been most satisfactory and of the highest order. Eamon Fitzmaurice has the benefit of being able to draw on the wisdom of some of the shrewdest thinkers in the game in Sheehy, Murphy and Cian O'Neill. Obviously there had to be some marginal calls but there is a lot of rationale in it and overall I am happy with the selection. Looking forward to the shoot-out now. Shoot-out? Cork would be crazy to bring it down to that. They have named 4 forwards essentially and will try to keep things very tight early on. Hopefully by the time Gooch, Geaney and Darran come on there will be a bit more room for our forwards. There will be some roar in the stadium when Gooch comes on.
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Post by G_S_J on Jul 3, 2015 8:57:10 GMT
Biggest selection is leaving Maher out, would have had him down as one of the guaranteed starters. The fact that Donnachdh waltzes back in with only 15 minutes of football this year might raise a few eyebrows, but in fairness he's a class act and it's a testament to how good he is that through the training nights alone he's convinced management that he's up to speed and good to go. For me, he starts ahead of Mikey Geaney, always, because he just is that bit better.
On to the other Geaney being dropped I don't think he can have much complaints, I think Barry John was the better forward overall in the league. They came out with equal scores in the Tipp game, but I thought Barry John worked that bit harder and JOD's the best forward in the country so is always going to start when fit.
I just feel having leaving Maher might costs us early on if we really want to control things from midfield, he's a very intelligent player, I don't know if Sheehan can grab a hold of things in there as much as him.
It kind of makes sense leaving out Gooch, he had Johnny Buckley doing a lot of the donkey work for him against Tipp, which allowed him free reign around the 40, he won't be afforded the same luxury on Sunday. As well having that ace on the bench is pretty decent card to play.
The worry would be O'Neil and Hurley destroying our full back line which continues to be our weakest line.
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Post by kerrygold on Jul 3, 2015 9:00:43 GMT
I would suggest that contributors to the discussion desist from describing players not on the starting 15 as being 'dropped'. A panel of players is like a heap of bricks. Bricks may be made, but there is no reason for their existence unless they are to form part of a building. Nobody is ‘dropped’ or carrying an injury and the management have a powerful hand to play off a bench that will have a big impact on this game before the final whistle. With respect to your Duagh acquaintance Veteran, my information is that training has been most satisfactory and of the highest order. Eamon Fitzmaurice has the benefit of being able to draw on the wisdom of some of the shrewdest thinkers in the game in Sheehy, Murphy and Cian O'Neill. Obviously there had to be some marginal calls but there is a lot of rationale in it and overall I am happy with the selection. Looking forward to the shoot-out now. Spot on, well said. It is a 22 man game now where big panels are required. You wonder how the exciting the game could become if the GAA adopted the Aussie Rules model of unlimited interchange players throughout the game? Kerry v Cork in Killarney takes on a whole life of its own, form goes out the window, there probably wont be much in it at the heel of the hunt.
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Post by bemane on Jul 3, 2015 9:37:50 GMT
Totally agree we're getting carried away with who is and who isn't starting modern day football is a 22 man game now and any team is only as good as the strength of it's bench with big calls to be made at the right time, when you can bring on a player who is as good as the player he's replacing you're doing okay,
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Post by G_S_J on Jul 3, 2015 9:41:19 GMT
I understand the meaning of 'dropped' as a player who has lost his place on the starting team, it may sound a bit harsh, but as far as I can understand it's wholly accurate.
As evidence in Limerick last year of course it's now a 26 man effort, I get that, but I don't see the issue with using 'dropped' it's basically quicker then say 'lost starting place'.
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Post by glengael on Jul 3, 2015 9:42:58 GMT
No game is ever won or lost til it's played. It will be a tough 75 mins or so for both teams and the forecast suggests rain on Sunday.
For me Paul Geaney's omission is a surprise. He is a player who has grown on me.
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Post by dabomber on Jul 3, 2015 9:42:58 GMT
Fair play to BJK who was dropped off the panel altogether for the 2013 season. Knuckled down and has come back stronger for it!
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Post by pluto on Jul 3, 2015 9:46:11 GMT
Right call by fitzy go with the form players. Cody has been doing it for years.there is lots of pressure on the starting 15 to perform. If not they will be whipped off. Come on the kingdom?
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Post by G_S_J on Jul 3, 2015 9:48:32 GMT
Fair play to BJK who was dropped off the panel altogether for the 2013 season. Knuckled down and has come back stronger for it! Some going, considering the mantra from all in sundry has been he lacked that bit of class to break in, but the class was there all along in the breeding!
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Post by Jigz84 on Jul 3, 2015 10:34:56 GMT
Interesting selection. While the argument for finishing with your strongest 15 is valid, I'd be fearful of Cork going in at halftime with a healthy lead. I just don't see where the scores are going to come from with the 6 forwards starting. JOD could be rusty, BJ Keane is hit & miss. I hope he finally delivers because there's been alot of faith put in him.
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