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Post by kerrygold on Jun 28, 2015 15:36:13 GMT
No semblance of coherent forward play from Kildare, usual Achilles heel for Kildare.
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Post by donegalman on Jun 28, 2015 16:51:00 GMT
I agree that McHugh speaks rubbish a lot of the time, but he was probably on the money about the current meath set up.
Dublin look very good. But they are playing no opposition at the moment.
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Post by kerrygold on Jun 28, 2015 17:29:04 GMT
I agree that McHugh speaks rubbish a lot of the time, but he was probably on the money about the current meath set up. Dublin look very good. But they are playing no opposition at the moment. Agreed. Dublin in football and Kilkenny in hurling are light years ahead of the other Leinster counties. Kildare and Meath were depressingly poor today, both are big wealthy populated counties on Dublin's doorstep with plenty of resources. A poor Dublin team would still be cakewalking the Leinster championship.
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Post by sinkthelead on Jun 28, 2015 18:12:07 GMT
Dublin (SF v Kildare) - S Cluxton; J Cooper, David Byrne, P McMahon; D Daly, J Small, J McCaffrey; B Fenton, C O'Sullivan; P Flynn, K McManamon, C Kilkenny; D Rock, D Connolly, B Brogan. Is he the lad from Ballymun. If he is he isn't very tall for fullback and has a suspect temperament different D Byrne from St Olafs, not long out of u21
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Post by Mickmack on Jun 28, 2015 18:42:28 GMT
Dublin (SF v Kildare) - S Cluxton; J Cooper, David Byrne, P McMahon; D Daly, J Small, J McCaffrey; B Fenton, C O'Sullivan; P Flynn, K McManamon, C Kilkenny; D Rock, D Connolly, B Brogan. Is he the lad from Ballymun. If he is he isn't very tall for fullback and has a suspect temperament different D Byrne from St Olafs, not long out of u21 thanks I hope ye don't dismember poor oul Westmeath on their big day out on the Leinster Final.
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Post by MrRasherstoyou on Jun 28, 2015 20:00:45 GMT
Congrats Westmeath what a way to make history, great comeback and then the winning goal, fantastic. You culdn't have scripted it. Will they be up for the final or have celebrated too much? Either way, in the moment, a great day
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Post by Mickmack on Jun 28, 2015 20:13:23 GMT
Rather that running down Kildare, maybe we should acknowledge a stunning performance by Dublin
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Post by sullyschoice on Jun 28, 2015 21:09:21 GMT
Its probably a bit of both. Dublin were very strong but Kildare were very poor.
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Post by royalkerryfan on Jun 28, 2015 21:57:08 GMT
The state of football in Meath & Kildare should be very worrying for the GAA. Both counties have big populations and decent resources. The club scene here in Meath is awful. It's really no benefit to Dublin beating 3 division 3 teams to win a Leinster.
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Post by playitfair on Jun 28, 2015 22:22:15 GMT
Why do Dublin name a team and then persistently start a different team. It's not necessary. Otherwise I was hugely impressed with them. At the moment they are not starting their strongest team.
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Post by kerrybhoy06 on Jun 28, 2015 23:28:06 GMT
To be completely honest- I thought that dublin played well within themselves today. I actually don't think they came out of second gear at all for a lot of that game- they got the 3 goals and then we're just happy to keep Kildare at arms length without putting in much effort
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Post by onlykerry on Jun 29, 2015 7:54:31 GMT
Why are people so surprised by Leinster - there is only one Division 1 side in the province. I know the league is often dismissed as a competition that few counties take seriously but the facts are that the AI champions are nearly always a Division 1 side and Leinster have consistenly had only 1 dividion 1 team for the past decade with the occasional brief appearance by another county. This is the true reflection of the state of Leinster football.
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Post by Jigz84 on Jun 29, 2015 8:15:21 GMT
Sounds like another of those northern defensive games last night. Anyone watch Donegal v Derry? Was it on Sky? I refuse to subscribe to the the GAAs sell out of free to air for the ordinary Irish punter. Nine out of 10 times, going to the pub to watch a game is less than a satisfactory experience. Match was on Sky with Darragh and Jim McGuinness providing analysis. Both teams were set up defensively as you'd expect but Derry were able to cause problems. Donegal's full-back line looked ropey at times, especially under the high ball. Eoin Bradley was very poor. Donegal did enough but there are question marks over the number of steps taken for their goal. Derry lost their discipline totally when they were still in with a shout with a few minutes to go. Donegal will need to improve for Monaghan though based on Saturday night.
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Post by MrRasherstoyou on Jun 29, 2015 8:26:53 GMT
To be completely honest- I thought that dublin played well within themselves today. I actually don't think they came out of second gear at all for a lot of that game- they got the 3 goals and then we're just happy to keep Kildare at arms length without putting in much effort Yeah I think there was a fairly lengthy sluggish spell. Hard to know if that makes any odds in the long run, in terms of 'maintaining a performance'. I don't think any team can maintain full-on intensity from the end of the league right through the summer and still hope to be able to produce their best if they make it to late August and september. For me their major issue is lack of competitiveness in the games of course. With all due respect I can't see Westmeath providing it but you never know. Dublin would have to be flat, which is always a risk. Wmeath would have to have really looked after themselves the next couple of weeks, not just physically but in terms of mentally what they want from the rest of summer. One thing that can't be disputed is they must take massive confidence from their comeback, and it showed a real strength of heart and character. If they do better than Kildare, Meath or Laois have done in the past 2 or 3 years then it could say alot about the preparation of those teams. Certainly the decline for the other 'big two' looks like being deeper and longer lasting than I thought it would be. Meath showed no response to last year's humiliation, only adding another even worse one to it. Meath people I know or have spoken to say their coach is 'decent' but no great shakes. That brings us to Jason Ryan. At this stage, even allowing for Kildare's post-Geeser woes, and loss of cornerstone players, there is no sign that JR is any cop, at this level. Had an interesting conversation with a guy last week, probably an echo of a conversation on here or another forum, about some common factors/people in certain teams doing well/better over the last decade or more. Two stood out - Paul Grimley and Niall Carew. If Armagh don't improve a good bit in the qualifiers we can almost certainly say Grimley brings vital things to coaching that Geeser and others just don't, and can't do without. And the same with Carew from his time with Kildare.
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Post by MrRasherstoyou on Jun 29, 2015 8:29:00 GMT
Sounds like another of those northern defensive games last night. Anyone watch Donegal v Derry? Was it on Sky? I refuse to subscribe to the the GAAs sell out of free to air for the ordinary Irish punter. Nine out of 10 times, going to the pub to watch a game is less than a satisfactory experience. Match was on Sky with Darragh and Jim McGuinness providing analysis. Both teams were set up defensively as you'd expect but Derry were able to cause problems. Donegal's full-back line looked ropey at times, especially under the high ball. Eoin Bradley was very poor. Donegal did enough but there are question marks over the number of steps taken for their goal. Derry lost their discipline totally when they were still in with a shout with a few minutes to go. Donegal will need to improve for Monaghan though based on Saturday night. I though Conor Lane reffed it very well. I think that game was just what Donegal needed after the hype. I think they will blow the Farney away, much better forwards and at least as good around the middle area
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Post by westmeathman on Jun 29, 2015 9:02:23 GMT
Well done westmeath. What a day. I no we're lambs to the slaughter in the leinster final but its nice to get there and beat meath along the way. Hopefully the lads can give a good account of themselves in the final as it would be great for the confidence of this coming young team. Yesterday will be a day that will long be remembered among all westmeath fans. Well done lads
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Post by MrRasherstoyou on Jun 29, 2015 9:07:23 GMT
Well done westmeath. What a day. I no we're lambs to the slaughter in the leinster final but its nice to get there and beat meath along the way. Hopefully the lads can give a good account of themselves in the final as it would be great for the confidence of this coming young team. Yesterday will be a day that will long be remembered among all westmeath fans. Well done lads Oh me of little faith! Take us through how you saw that winning goal, the move leading up, what was going through your head and heart, etc?
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Post by Jigz84 on Jun 29, 2015 9:11:11 GMT
Connolly was brilliant yesterday operating from a Quarter Back position like Declan O'Sullivan in last year's Munster Final. He needs to be man-marked, only way to stop him.
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Post by westmeathman on Jun 29, 2015 9:35:43 GMT
Well done westmeath. What a day. I no we're lambs to the slaughter in the leinster final but its nice to get there and beat meath along the way. Hopefully the lads can give a good account of themselves in the final as it would be great for the confidence of this coming young team. Yesterday will be a day that will long be remembered among all westmeath fans. Well done lads Oh me of little faith! Take us through how you saw that winning goal, the move leading up, what was going through your head and heart, etc? Didn't get to the as I had cemetery Sunday which I had to attend. The plan was to watch on telly and head to the cemetery if we were getting a drubbing at half time. Half time came and all was going to plan but when the time came to go I just couldn't. So I ended up home alone watchin the second half. When that goal went in it was sort of surreal as you no yourself we are usually on the receiving end of these sort of things but I was probably heard roaring in kerry. The wife is still a little annoyed with me for missing cemetery but she just wouldn't understand!
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Post by fitz on Jun 29, 2015 9:46:05 GMT
Sunday Game analysis was very weak last night. McHugh very poor. Saying Leitrim have the players to be a much better team. He had point about the feeling sorry for themselves as do other weaker counties but he completely went off on one then.
One thing about Dublin's win. They clearly have far superior footballers to all Leinster teams. Should it be that they are faster and fitter? These are areas other teams can control. Some of the space Dublin players got to exploit was scandalously neglectful of Kildare, for whatever likely myriad of reasons. All unacceptable.
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Post by donegalman on Jun 29, 2015 10:02:39 GMT
Westmeath were great yesterday in the second half. I dont ever remember a comeback like it ever. I think that they will do well to stay within 15 points of Dublin, and that is not being disingenuous to their team either.
MrRashers, I believe you are right about our performance on Saturday. I only saw the first half, as I was working, but did notice that we did not get the same freedom we got against Armagh. As a result, our shooting was more ragged and pressured. You are also correct about our defense, it is an area that we could improve on. But having said that, Derry did not look like getting a goal, Durcan had the effort well blocked and cover was back to help him on the line.
It was just the test we needed before the Monaghan game, who will be as tough to stay with, let alone beat, as they were 2 years ago. I think that we can do it, but it will have to be an all ireland semi final of last year type performance. Monaghan are up for us in a serious way, and dont bottle big games.
Congrats on your win yesterday, it was a joy to watch some of the movement and pace of the Dubs. McCaffrey is now an absolutely brilliant footballer. Kilkenny has suddenly grown up into a tank of a young fella, and will be the new point of attack for ye from now on. Will be interesting to see if a team can stay with you this year.
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Post by MrRasherstoyou on Jun 29, 2015 10:54:06 GMT
Yeh good stuff Donegalman, congrats to you too. I always enjoyed my team winning a game like that much more than winning by 15 or 20 points, despite the stress! And yes McCaffrey is a joy to watch, thrilling, almost impossible to man-mark I think. Other teams will probably look at several players shunting him down safer alleys, like in relays. I'm sure they already have done, since two years ago.
I don't think Donegal can look at two years ago and compare to now, last year is the better comparison, and I think Monaghan haven't improved. Yous weren't at the races & made them look good two years ago. Still though, this could be the first real test for Gallagher if Monaghan get the tactics right but I just can't see them living with you.
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Post by Jigz84 on Jun 29, 2015 10:55:09 GMT
Yeh good stuff Donegalman, congrats to you too. I always enjoyed my team winning a game like that much more than winning by 15 or 20 points, despite the stress! And yes McCaffrey is a joy to watch, thrilling, impossible to man-mark I think. I don't think you can look at two years ago and compare to now, last year is the better comparison, and I think Monaghan haven't improved. Yous made them look good two years ago. Still though, this could be the first real test for Gallagher if Monaghan get the tactics right but I just can't see them living with you. I think Donnchadh Walsh might have something to say about that
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Post by MrRasherstoyou on Jun 29, 2015 10:57:40 GMT
Yeh good stuff Donegalman, congrats to you too. I always enjoyed my team winning a game like that much more than winning by 15 or 20 points, despite the stress! And yes McCaffrey is a joy to watch, thrilling, impossible to man-mark I think. I don't think you can look at two years ago and compare to now, last year is the better comparison, and I think Monaghan haven't improved. Yous made them look good two years ago. Still though, this could be the first real test for Gallagher if Monaghan get the tactics right but I just can't see them living with you. I think Donnchadh Walsh might have something to say about that Jaysus you hit me quick there! I had adjusted that straight away, no player is impossible to mark, what I meant was because of his pace and balance, hardly any player can stay with him. Of course Darran OS is very similar. What I noticed about DOS in recent years was defenders shunting him away, and of course massed defence. He was still impossible to prevent doing damage though, only limiting it.
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Post by Jigz84 on Jun 29, 2015 11:04:03 GMT
I think Donnchadh Walsh might have something to say about that Jaysus you hit me quick there! I had adjusted that straight away, no player is impossible to mark, what I meant was because of his pace and balance, hardly any player can stay with him. Of course Darran OS is very similar. What I noticed about DOS in recent years was defenders shunting him away, and of course massed defence. He was still impossible to prevent doing damage though, only limiting it. Quick for a Monday morning! To be fair, McCaffrey has improved this year after a ropey 2014. It's all about pace and Dubs have it in almost every line. Ye're full-back line though is still suspect, will be interesting to see if Martin can make any headway there the next day.
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Post by keane on Jun 29, 2015 12:00:30 GMT
McCaffrey looks like a world beater in Leinster because Dublin tend to be so far on top. He's a brilliant attacking threat from HB.
His issue is that in the biggest games Dublin won't have as much dominance and so he will occasionally be asked defensive questions. Remains to be seen what his ability to answer them is. I suppose 2013 was a good example of how he was flying up to the semi-final, but Walsh getting him turned around meant he had little impact going forward and struggled badly going backwards.
If he figures out how to effectively mark space/a man when under pressure and continue to get forward he'll be really good.
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Post by donegalman on Jun 29, 2015 12:36:20 GMT
I was at the league game in croke park last feb (donegal v dublin). McCaffrey came on in the 2nd half and ran amok. No one could keep up with him, he got a really fab goal by running straight at us. Very impressive talent. He had a quiet year last year, but I expect massive things from him this time. If Doncha Walsh can stay with him for 70 minutes, then maybe we should enter him in the 400m for our next Olympic team.
Lots to look forward to. But we dont see the big guns play each other enough.
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Post by MrRasherstoyou on Jun 29, 2015 13:40:21 GMT
McCaffrey looks like a world beater in Leinster because Dublin tend to be so far on top. He's a brilliant attacking threat from HB. His issue is that in the biggest games Dublin won't have as much dominance and so he will occasionally be asked defensive questions. Remains to be seen what his ability to answer them is. I suppose 2013 was a good example of how he was flying up to the semi-final, but Walsh getting him turned around meant he had little impact going forward and struggled badly going backwards. If he figures out how to effectively mark space/a man when under pressure and continue to get forward he'll be really good. He did nothing much in the final in 2013 either. So between those two games and last year he has a long way to go yet to prove himself against the best defenders. I actually think Costello, who doesn't have quite the pace of McCaffrey, is a better user of the ball overall. Different positions I know but both very direct players. I think Darran OS is similar to McCaffrey.
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Jun 29, 2015 13:41:27 GMT
If Doncha Walsh can stay with him for 70 minutes, then maybe we should enter him in the 400m for our next Olympic team. Surely winning All-Irelands with Kerry is the greater honour!
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Post by donegalman on Jun 29, 2015 14:16:50 GMT
Or maybe an international rules series Annascault!
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