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Post by westmeathman on Jun 26, 2015 20:21:19 GMT
Not what you want to hear from a coach is right rasher Ya fair play to the dubs.ye always give us a good cheer on,excluding the "cindy"years lol
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Post by keane on Jun 26, 2015 20:46:40 GMT
Anyone any views on meath v westmeath.anyone give us a prayer of finally beating the old enemy Can't believe how strongly favoured Meath are by the bookies, close to a coinflip for me.
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Post by ansúilleabhánach on Jun 27, 2015 3:48:20 GMT
No reason why you couldn't win but the horrible hand of history is...............blah blah blah (something beginning with 'h') ...heavily hovering!! An Iarmhí abú!
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Post by kerrybhoy06 on Jun 27, 2015 8:27:02 GMT
Anyone any views on meath v westmeath.anyone give us a prayer of finally beating the old enemy Can't believe how strongly favoured Meath are by the bookies, close to a coinflip for me. Completely agree- I assume bookies are putting a higher than normal value on tradition
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Post by Mickmack on Jun 27, 2015 10:26:52 GMT
Dublin (SF v Kildare) - S Cluxton; J Cooper, David Byrne, P McMahon; D Daly, J Small, J McCaffrey; B Fenton, C O'Sullivan; P Flynn, K McManamon, C Kilkenny; D Rock, D Connolly, B Brogan.
Is he the lad from Ballymun. If he is he isn't very tall for fullback and has a suspect temperament
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Post by Mickmack on Jun 27, 2015 11:37:24 GMT
MALAHY CLERKIN
IRISH TIMES
Sat, Jun 27, 2015, 06:36
It was on this weekend four years ago that an injury-time free was all that separated Dublin and Kildare. Not just any injury-time free. A riotously disputed, intractably debated stunner of an injury-time free. But we’ll get to that anon. For now, concentrate on the four years.
That’s four – FOUR. Not a half century ago, neither yore nor yesteryear. Four years is all, since Dublin and Kildare met in a Leinster semi-final and could only be cleaved apart on a referee’s whim. Yet when they face off tomorrow in Croke Park, we may as well have the Red Cross on standby.
It’s almost hard to fathom but back then, they were equals. Or as near as dammit. This was Dublin before they’d won an All-Ireland, remember. Dublin who’d given up five goals to Meath on the equivalent weekend the year before. Who’d lost an epic All-Ireland semi-final to Cork and been mown down by the same side in a league final that spring. They were nobody’s sure thing.
Kildare will have their hands full trying to prevent Diarmuid Connolly (left) and Paul Flynn from spraying kick passes into the danger zone and keeping tabs on the full forwards. Photograph: InphoDublin look to have too much strength in all areas for Kildare
Rory Kavanagh and current Derry manager Brian McIver celebrate Donegal’s National League final victory over Mayo in 2007. Given the transformation of Donegal football, the win has been reduced to a footnote, but it was only the county’s second senior national title. Photograph: Donall Farmer/InphoBrian McIver not forgotten by Donegal for pointing out light
Donegal manager Rory Gallagher. Photograph: Andrew Paton/Inpho.Donegal should have too much for Derry
Championship 2015: The hurling and football summer And Kildare? Kildare were much the same. Just as susceptible to an off-day (see Louth 2010) but by common consent just as close to a breakthrough (see All-Ireland semi-final 2010). When The Irish Times did its championship preview that summer, we polled the collated genius of Joe Kernan, John O’Mahony, Seán Boylan and Darragh Ó Sé and each of them to a man mentioned Kildare as a possible bolter in the All-Ireland race. Put up as 2/1 outsiders against Dublin, they were value at the price.
100 per cent certain “There wasn’t even a question about it,” says Andriú MacLochlainn. “We went into that game 100 per cent certain we’d win it. We expected to beat them. You only had to look at us out on the pitch to see it.
“A lot of the time when a smaller team is playing a bigger team, it’s obvious the bigger team has them beat before the ball is thrown in. It’s reputation, it’s media coverage, it’s hype and it gets inside lads’ heads. You can see it on the field, with fellas holding back and being tentative and doubtful. It’s so obvious and Dublin teams have always been able to sniff it out.”
MacLochlainn had no truck with that. As an under-21, he’d captained Kildare to a Leinster title in 2004, beating a Dublin side containing nine of the team that had won the previous year’s All-Ireland. When they’d met in the Leinster final in 2009, the sides were level with four minutes to go before Bernard Brogan alakazamed a finish in the way special players sometimes do. But by no measure did Kildare see Dublin as their betters.
“We never bought into that,” says MacLochlainn. “I was fortunate enough that any time we met Dublin at underage, we always beat them. Or more times than not, anyway. We had no fear of them at all. And we carried that through to senior. When you added that to what Kieran [McGeeney] brought, we knew we had the beating of them.”
The closing four minutes that day were like subliminal advertising. They came in flashes, leaving you unsure what you saw. Dublin four points up, game dying. Eamonn Callaghan scuttles in a goal from 23 metres. One-point game. Callaghan levels it with a point on the swivel. Replay, surely. No time left. Dublin pump it forward.
Brogan races out, MacLochlainn at his back, arms spread wide. Cormac Reilly whistles. In the commentary box, Kevin McStay goes, “Oh no! Oh no, no, no.” Brogan doesn’t even go to ground. Doesn’t matter. Free in. You could watch the replay 100 times and come down 50 on each side. If it was a free, it was barely so. Brogan popped it. Dublin 1-12 Kildare 1-11.
“The most frustrating thing that day was that afterwards, the free was the only thing anyone talked about. The team has goals obviously but, individually, you have goals as well. One of mine would have been to have finished my playing days with an All Star. I knew I didn’t have many chances left. I had three kids at that stage and you can’t go on being selfish forever when you have a family.
“In that game alone, I had picked up Alan Brogan, who at the time was a bigger force for Dublin than Bernard, and then when Ollie Lyons went off, I picked up Bernard. I thought I handled him quite well. And when the game was in the melting pot, I cleared a goal off the line and then later I fed Eamonn Callaghan for his goal.
“You usually only need two or three big performances to get into All Star contention but you need people to remember them. What the free did was it meant that all anyone remembered the following day was this free that I gave away. There was nothing about performance level over the course of the game. That was very hard for me to take.”
He couldn’t let Cormac Reilly leave the field without having his say.
“I walked off the pitch with him after the game. People asked me did I abuse him but in all honesty, I never even cursed at him. Not once. What I said to him was, ‘I don’t think you understand the gravity of your decision. My family are here and what they’ve given up for me is frightening. When you go home and watch the game, you’ll see that you made a wrong decision. I’d appreciate a call or a text just to say, ‘Look, I’m human, I got it wrong.’
“That’s why it made it even harder to take that the head of refereeing came out the next day armed with the fuzziest TV clip in the world to say there had been contact when there hadn’t. I know he had to stand up for his man but that was hard to take. I met Cormac in other games but I never said anything about it and he never did either.”
Kildare moved on to the qualifiers where they met Laois, Meath and Derry before finding drawing Donegal in the quarter-final. All the while, they had one goal in mind.
“We would have said among ourselves and been pretty up front about it – we wanted to get back to meet Dublin later in the year. That was driving us through the qualifiers, the chance to play them again. We wanted to get back and to right a wrong. Obviously, we took each game on its merits but the carrot that was dangling there the whole time was another game with Dublin.
Got out of jail “And it wasn’t that we wanted another shot at them, it was that we absolutely believed we had a psychological advantage over them. They would be playing us knowing that they got out of jail and we would be going in with a point to prove. We craved that game, we wanted it so badly. But then, Kevin Cassidy missed one with his good foot and scored one with his bad one. Roy of the Rovers stuff.”
Four years. Dublin have gone on to win two All-Irelands. Donegal have won one. Meanwhile, Kildare have watched them both bound away across the horizon. McGeeney got dumped, messily and to nobody’s credit. In the league, they slithered to successive relegations. When they met again in 2013, Dublin won 4-16 to 1-9. Oblivion.
“Kieran not being involved any more is a factor,” says MacLochlainn. “A lot of the senior players going is a factor. Dermot [Earley] went, Johnny [Doyle] went, Ronan Sweeney went, a few lads went travelling. It wasn’t that the wheels came off, it was just a lot of different little things.
“Jason [Ryan] is a good manager and he’s obviously a very good coach. He was involved with Kieran so his transition was easy enough. But I would feel that the panel is there and he hasn’t got as much out of them as he should have.”
As for MacLochlainn, he moved on himself within a year. He set up on his own as a financial adviser in Kildare town and his family grew to four. There just wasn’t time for intercounty football, other than as a spectator. What he sees for Kildare tomorrow is much the same as what everyone else does.
Blind belief “Kildare people will nearly always have a blind belief that something good will happen, but for this one I don’t think people are putting too much pressure on the players to get a result. Whereas if you go back to the 2011 game, there was so much attention on it. It was on the scale of an All-Ireland final.
“I think that the players need to believe they can win but, realistically, if Kildare can perform well and stay within five or six points of Dublin by the end, it will be a good result. It will set them up for Offaly and give them momentum that’s going to be badly needed in Tullamore. Kildare need a performance to build on going into that game or it is going to be a very sticky one.”
Needing a performance. To build confidence for a game against Offaly. Four years feels like a lifetime ago.
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Post by Mickmack on Jun 27, 2015 11:41:36 GMT
MacLochlainn is another player left bruised and broken by the GAAs policy of needing Dublin to be winning All Irelands
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Post by MrRasherstoyou on Jun 27, 2015 11:54:32 GMT
Dublin (SF v Kildare) - S Cluxton; J Cooper, David Byrne, P McMahon; D Daly, J Small, J McCaffrey; B Fenton, C O'Sullivan; P Flynn, K McManamon, C Kilkenny; D Rock, D Connolly, B Brogan. Is he the lad from Ballymun. If he is he isn't very tall for fullback and has a suspect temperament Which guy is that Mick? Yeh da Mun. Like all fellas from my neck of the bollards and lampposts Davy has a problem keeping da head n dat, ye know. He's sound tho. But if ya 'get to him', like Paidi would, like DOSé says, he's noralldat, wha, y'know? Talented player, good player I would say. Anyone slotted into fullback has a massive challenge ahead of him. He's Olafs by the way. Them Southsiders keep da head better, not trying to prove how hard they are n'dat, natcheral sense of da confidence n'all, wha. Birrup deir ow-wn errrsholes dho. Still dho, dem fullbacks need a bit more dan bee'n cultcherald 'ballers y'know, dey need a bit a d'auld enfoorrrrcer, y'know worrimee-an? Dey moigh' be a bi' sohhft y'know? Like dat Roorrrry fella. Gets pushed arrrou-end too much by big culchy lads like yer man, wat's hisface, the big bollix from Kerry, y'know who I mean, calls hi'self Steeeaarrrrrbar?
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Post by skybluezone on Jun 27, 2015 11:56:20 GMT
MacLochlainn is another player left bruised and broken by the GAAs policy of needing Dublin to be winning All Irelands Two points Mickmack. The full back David Byrne is the under 21 full back from last year. Played in league semi final where Conor McManus gave him some pain. 2nd point, Kildares McLochlain hasn't stopped whinging about that free for 4 years. And they wouldn't have beaten Dublin in a replay. He forgets, as do you, that Ger Brennan was sent off just before ht if I remember correctly. Dublin holding them at arms length all through 2nd half when Kildare scored a speculative goal in 68th min which necessitated an uncomfortable finish for Dublin. 2011 must still be hurting you, let it go!
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Jun 27, 2015 12:02:38 GMT
I've said it 100 times and will say it 10,000 times more: champion teams don't let luck & its vagaries play a part and if they do let that happen they don't blame anyone but themselves.
Making excuses is a loser's mentality. MM I think you have a valid argument in saying that the zeitgeist of 'a Dublin win would be good for the GAA' might slip into a referees reckoning but a champion team overcomes such a marginal bias.
If you keep insisting that the GAA had a conspiracy to let Dublin win then we are going to have to fashion a tinfoil hat for you. Whither your theory if Kev Mac is stopped? You are suffering some class of bias (can't remember what it is called).
PS. Great work on the videos, fair play.
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Post by Mickmack on Jun 27, 2015 13:57:27 GMT
Annascaultilidie.... If I could care less about what others think of my opinion , I would. And this isn't an attempt to start of one of those interminable debates in which I have no interest in partaking.
You are welcome as regards the videos. I am anxious to get stuff off my PC anyway so that i can delete stuff and Youtube will always play them once uploaded. And I am happy to share them.
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Post by MrRasherstoyou on Jun 27, 2015 18:40:14 GMT
MacLochlainn is another player left bruised and broken by the GAAs policy of needing Dublin to be winning All Irelands Seriously, I've never read such a load of delusional, sentimental rubbish. I would have a lot of sympathy for AOL and Kildare were it not, amongst other things, for the fact that: 1. They were being well beaten by 14 men and got a fairly jammy goal. 2. There WAS clear contact, but I agree, a free was also harsh. But he should have just let Brogan go, the ball was way out to the right wing, unlikely to guarantee a score. OL's claims are wildly exaggerated for me. 3. They blew it against Donegal, leading twice by 3, though I agree, very unlucky to have that goal disallowed. Still lead by 3 after it, in ET, and Donegal supposedly useless at chasing leads the way they were playing that year. Kildare should have opened them up once Donegal had to chase the lead. 4. In 2010 they had a whole game to overcome Down's early square ball goal, and didn't, and haven't stopped moaning about it since. 5. Laughable comments about 2009. Once again an extra man for a lengthy period (no mention of harsh sendings off in either case BTW), and playing with the wind and rain behind them, and level on the scoreboard. Dublin drove on and won by 4. The Lillies waited for the game to win itself for them. 6. We'd have trounced them in any replay or the semi-final, with all the hype around their 'grievance'. So the only possible vague benefit would have been their decline would have started a bit earlier. But they got away without having that proven, and would still being going on about 'that point' etc anyway.
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Post by southward on Jun 27, 2015 19:08:07 GMT
Wexford 2-16 Down 2-11 - RESULT
So there !
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Post by royalkerryfan on Jun 27, 2015 21:09:57 GMT
I think Westmeath would beat Meath if thr game was outside croker. Meath shipped 3.12 in Navan to Wicklow. Speaking to meath lads after the game it was the worst they have ever seen. They had a few injuries mind you.
Cake walk for the Dubs no doubt.
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Post by kerrygold on Jun 28, 2015 10:25:07 GMT
Two of the most appalling refereeing decisions in 2011 that determined a footballing season at a time pre All-Ireland winning status when the general media driven consensus was that a Dublin win would save the country.
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Post by kerrygold on Jun 28, 2015 10:29:54 GMT
Sounds like another of those northern defensive games last night. Anyone watch Donegal v Derry? Was it on Sky? I refuse to subscribe to the the GAAs sell out of free to air for the ordinary Irish punter. Nine out of 10 times, going to the pub to watch a game is less than a satisfactory experience.
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Jun 28, 2015 10:47:34 GMT
Sounds like another of those northern defensive games last night. Anyone watch Donegal v Derry? Was it on Sky? I refuse to subscribe to the the GAAs sell out of free to air for the ordinary Irish punter. Nine out of 10 times, going to the pub to watch a game is less than a satisfactory experience. ...but how many games were televised before TV3 came on the scene? Also, at the time, we couldn't get TV3 in Annascaul on the normal signal.
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Post by misteallaigh abú on Jun 28, 2015 12:31:56 GMT
A little silver lining for Kildare today. Their minors had a great win over Dublin to qualify for their 3rd minor final in a row. They were 5 down after 13min but put in a powerful performance to win 3-16 to 3-13.
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Post by ansúilleabhánach on Jun 28, 2015 13:14:36 GMT
MacLochlainn is another player left bruised and broken by the GAAs policy of needing Dublin to be winning All Irelands 3. They blew it against Donegal, leading twice by 3, though I agree, very unlucky to have that goal disallowed. Still lead by 3 after it, in ET, and Donegal supposedly useless at chasing leads the way they were playing that year. Kildare should have opened them up once Donegal had to chase the lead. This. I cheered Cill Dara on for 4 years under McGeeney's tenure, all the way to the end of this woeful quarter final. The victim mentality had been evident in 2010 but a bit more understandable. However, they were 3 points up at half time in extra time. 10 minutes to defend a three point lead. They sat back and invited the Tír Chonaill men on to them, making no attempt to get an insurance score. The following weeks of whinging about the (perfectly legitimate) disallowed goal turned me off them for good. No introspection of how they let a solid winning position slip with such a small amount of time to go.
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Post by kerrygold on Jun 28, 2015 14:12:04 GMT
The Dubs won't have too much to worry about in the Leinster Final against Meath.
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Post by kerrybhoy06 on Jun 28, 2015 14:18:32 GMT
The Dubs won't have too much to worry about in the Leinster Final against Meath. Dublin will put a cricket score on that Meath defence- if John Heslin + 5 others can do it then the Dublin forward line will have a field day
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Post by kerrygold on Jun 28, 2015 14:20:40 GMT
Meath are after putting in a shocking second half.
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Post by kerrybhoy06 on Jun 28, 2015 14:27:02 GMT
Meath are after putting in a shocking second half. Absolutely shocking! I cant believe it to be honest
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Post by seaniebo on Jun 28, 2015 14:34:07 GMT
There are no words to describe what Westmeath have managed to do. Incredible stuff. The stuff of dreams.
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Post by kerrybhoy06 on Jun 28, 2015 14:34:10 GMT
If anyone can think of worse 2nd half performance than that then I would like to hear it
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Post by kerrygold on Jun 28, 2015 14:39:26 GMT
If anyone can think of worse 2nd half performance than that then I would like to hear it Meath are a joke, they haven't been right since they took the 2010 Leinster final off Louth.
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Post by royalkerryfan on Jun 28, 2015 14:48:22 GMT
LMFM are going nuts up here.. Incredible stuff from Westmeath. No leadership from Meath. Awful black card Infairness.
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Post by donegalman on Jun 28, 2015 14:53:53 GMT
What a brilliant game for the neutral. Meath are a total shambles. McHugh was right about Meath, and his words didnt even inspire them to spite him. Time for new management for them. 9 points up and losing by 4 is a farcical turn around, and they could have won it with 2 minutes to go, but still panicked. Well done Westmeath. Stuff of dreams for their supporters.
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Post by royalkerryfan on Jun 28, 2015 15:15:45 GMT
What a brilliant game for the neutral. Meath are a total shambles. McHugh was right about Meath, and his words didnt even inspire them to spite him. Time for new management for them. 9 points up and losing by 4 is a farcical turn around, and they could have won it with 2 minutes to go, but still panicked. Well done Westmeath. Stuff of dreams for their supporters. Mchugh inspires nobody because he's talks utter rubbish.
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Post by kerrygold on Jun 28, 2015 15:24:50 GMT
Dubs well in control, serious point kicking from Kilkenny.
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