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Post by MrRasherstoyou on Sept 6, 2015 21:54:46 GMT
Mixed feelings about this. Connolly is one of the great gaa footballers and the more we see of him the better. Great balance. Great kicker of the ball. Strong. But prone to thuggish behaviour. We need less of that not more. "Thuggish behaviour"? Lots of players have struck people the way Connolly has, in retaliation, I doub t very much you've called any of them up for 'thuggish behaviou'. I think you're apeing some media contributor here, not to mention DOSé's 'scamp' comment. Now that to me is thuggish behaviour. Of course, it goes without saying, Connolly has a temper that he doesn't always control, but on the whole he's no worse than most on the field
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Post by dano on Sept 6, 2015 22:05:42 GMT
The thug is the one who started it Rashers and it wasn't Connolly. You are correct, he's no more a thug than anyone else who chose to defend himself. I'm glad he was playing.
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Post by norman on Sept 6, 2015 22:08:28 GMT
Keegan started it the first match and Connolly reacted, most players would.
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Post by peanuts on Sept 6, 2015 22:13:56 GMT
The thug is the one who started it Rashers and it wasn't Connolly. You are correct, he's no more a thug than anyone else who chose to defend himself. I'm glad he was playing. That's a bit harsh on Keegan, that sort of incident goes on in every game. What Connolly did in the first half to O'Connor the first day was far worse that what Keegan did to him. I must say it was great propaganda by Dublin with Whelan, Senan O'Connell, Charlie Redmond all rolled out with the poor Dermo was targeted rhetoric. Having said that Mayo could not complain about he being allowed to play after the Keegan and Kean incidents.
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Post by peanuts on Sept 6, 2015 22:15:26 GMT
Keegan started it the first match and Connolly reacted, most players would. AoS didn't react, Paul Geaney didn't react when Shields did the exact same to him in Killarney. That BS frankly.
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Post by norman on Sept 6, 2015 22:24:19 GMT
Keegan started it the first match and Connolly reacted, most players would. AoS didn't react, Paul Geaney didn't react when Shields did the exact same to him in Killarney. That BS frankly. We saw AoS's brother react yesterday. Some players will in the heat of the moment even players who normally don't.
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Post by peanuts on Sept 6, 2015 22:45:37 GMT
AoS didn't react, Paul Geaney didn't react when Shields did the exact same to him in Killarney. That BS frankly. We saw AoS's brother react yesterday. Some players will in the heat of the moment even players who normally don't. Fair enough but when you react you have to be prepared to take the punishment.
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Sept 7, 2015 1:32:18 GMT
Great balance. Great kicker of the ball. Strong. But prone to thuggish behaviour. We need less of that not more. "Thuggish behaviour"? Lots of players have struck people the way Connolly has, in retaliation, I doub t very much you've called any of them up for 'thuggish behaviou'. I think you're apeing some media contributor here, not to mention DOSé's 'scamp' comment. Now that to me is thuggish behaviour. Of course, it goes without saying, Connolly has a temper that he doesn't always control, but on the whole he's no worse than most on the field In fairness to me, I was careful to describe the actions rather than the man as thuggish. I agree plenty of players have lashed out but DC has a bit of a rap sheet you must admit. One incident in particular stands out as been particularly offensive. To say he is no worse than others on the field...no, not for me. I want to see a positive DC in the final because he can do things that are better than anyone else on the field.
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Sept 7, 2015 1:35:43 GMT
You need a bit of luck to win All Ireland's - most of the time anyhow. I felt Mayo had none in this game. Clearly Vaughan was not right and the black card for O'Shea was ridiculous. Keegan's effort to go 5 up was uncharacteristic of him but credit I suppose to the Dublin defender who did enough to put him off. The game was there for Mayo once they got the goal but a combination of lackadaisical play and the run of the ball for Dublin scuppered them. Dublin's first goal was from a complete mis-kick. Up to that point Dublin looked well beaten and very ordinary. Anyway it was hard to judge either team as I felt there were a number of passengers on each team which is unusual for a semi-final. Luck??? Mayo started a player who was not fit. A player loses his composure not unlike DC the last day. A player drops the ball into the goalkeeper's hands. These aren't anything to do with luck.
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Post by playitfair on Sept 7, 2015 6:49:26 GMT
Keegan started it the first match and Connolly reacted, most players would. AoS didn't react, Paul Geaney didn't react when Shields did the exact same to him in Killarney. That BS frankly. Hang on there. History being rewritten. Paul geaney did more or less the same thing to shields as cooper did. The difference was in Killarney, shields threw himself to the ground. It's important to be accurate unless you are referring to a different incident.
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Post by playitfair on Sept 7, 2015 6:50:00 GMT
Keegan started it the first match and Connolly reacted, most players would. AoS didn't react, Paul Geaney didn't react when Shields did the exact same to him in Killarney. That BS frankly. Hang on there. History being rewritten. Paul geaney did more or less the same thing to shields as cooper did. The difference was in Killarney, shields threw himself to the ground. It's important to be accurate unless you are referring to a different incident.
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Sept 7, 2015 8:18:15 GMT
AoS didn't react, Paul Geaney didn't react when Shields did the exact same to him in Killarney. That BS frankly. Hang on there. History being rewritten. Paul geaney did more or less the same thing to shields as cooper did. The difference was in Killarney, shields threw himself to the ground. It's important to be accurate unless you are referring to a different incident. I am fairly sure he is referring to an incident at the end of that match rather than Shields' 'mistake'.
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Post by peanuts on Sept 7, 2015 8:42:11 GMT
Hang on there. History being rewritten. Paul geaney did more or less the same thing to shields as cooper did. The difference was in Killarney, shields threw himself to the ground. It's important to be accurate unless you are referring to a different incident. I am fairly sure he is referring to an incident at the end of that match rather than Shields' 'mistake'. It was at the end of the first game actually where Shields appeared to drag Geaney to the ground and the two of them were wrestling. It was very similar to the Keegan/Connolly incident and my point was Geaney didn't throw a punch.
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Post by buck02 on Sept 7, 2015 8:50:54 GMT
You need a bit of luck to win All Ireland's - most of the time anyhow. I felt Mayo had none in this game. Clearly Vaughan was not right and the black card for O'Shea was ridiculous. Keegan's effort to go 5 up was uncharacteristic of him but credit I suppose to the Dublin defender who did enough to put him off.
The game was there for Mayo once they got the goal but a combination of lackadaisical play and the run of the ball for Dublin scuppered them. Dublin's first goal was from a complete mis-kick.Up to that point Dublin looked well beaten and very ordinary. Anyway it was hard to judge either team as I felt there were a number of passengers on each team which is unusual for a semi-final. Luck? Mayo started Donal Vaughan who was operating on one arm. Couldnt tackle or block with his right. They also started Ger Cafferkey. So basically they were down 2 backs from the start. (One would have to wonder why they went to the bother of appealing Keane's red v Donegal). Keegan kicked a shot from the 21 into the keepers hands. Maybe we shouldnt have been too surprised, he did similar v Donegal only for his shot to dip over the keeper into the new. Seamus O Shea could have seen red for his choke action. He would have probably gotten away with a yellow if he didnt feel the need to act the big man and fire Cooper to the ground. Although I'd probably forgive him seen as it was Cooper he tangled with. For Mayo's first goal, the keeper had only one glove on when kicking out the ball and made a mess of the kick out. If he had steadied himself and kept his head, maybe Dublin wouldnt have won the kickout and he wouldnt be facing a shot with one glove hanging off. Everything I mention above was Mayo's to control and they didnt. Nothing to do with luck.
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Sept 7, 2015 8:54:58 GMT
For Mayo's first goal, the keeper had only one glove on when kicking out the ball and made a mess of the kick out. If he had steadied himself and kept his head, maybe Dublin wouldnt have won the kickout and he wouldnt be facing a shot with one glove hanging off. Yes that was particularly daft I thought! Why didn't he just slow it down a little --- complete lapse in concentration. To be fair to the man, people are giving him a lot of grief for the PMcM goal but I thought he did well under the high ball all day.
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Post by fitz on Sept 7, 2015 9:35:29 GMT
Hennelly has history of making bad decisions at really inopportune times
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Post by playitfair on Sept 7, 2015 10:33:01 GMT
I am fairly sure he is referring to an incident at the end of that match rather than Shields' 'mistake'. It was at the end of the first game actually where Shields appeared to drag Geaney to the ground and the two of them were wrestling. It was very similar to the Keegan/Connolly incident and my point was Geaney didn't throw a punch. You are correct. Geaney showed great restraint.
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Post by inforthebreaks on Sept 7, 2015 10:36:32 GMT
it must be heartbreaking for mayo folk. They are not helped by the paucity of the challenge they get in connaught every year and I think they maybe feel they are better than they are. They are an excellently prepared, supremely fit, incredibly commited bunch of players but they are overall, in my opinion, lacking a number of top players to be considered a great team. the quality of player they have is nowhere near the levels of kerry, dublin, donegal.
and they also seem weak mentally. when they were in a position to win on saturday. it almost looked as if they were afraid to grab it. same last week.
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Post by homerj on Sept 7, 2015 10:39:15 GMT
Keegan started it the first match and Connolly reacted, most players would. no, a player tuned in and thinking of his teammates and county wouldnt react. that sort of stuff goes on all the time and only the mentally weak people cant handle it.
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Post by givehimaball on Sept 7, 2015 11:12:31 GMT
(One would have to wonder why they went to the bother of appealing Keane's red v Donegal). I did hear that it was Keane who drove the appeal and the management actually didn't want him to appeal - the fact that he didn't even play a minute in the two games despite winning the appeal would lead me to believe there is truth to this.
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Post by Dermot on Sept 7, 2015 11:27:35 GMT
As i was walking in tomthe ground today wearing my kerry shirt accompanied by my two Dublin supporting girls a mayo lad in his 20's attempted to hit me with a shoulder. He missed...summed up their day. I hope he was proud of himself Twas Dermot . Shocking stuff being serious Ha lmao . I wouldnt have missed lol .. Only joking of course lol And yeah, pretty scummy thing to be at !!
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Post by Dermot on Sept 7, 2015 11:31:49 GMT
Twas Dermot . Shocking stuff being serious A poke in the eye would be more their style. lol .. It might suit you Sully
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Post by Dermot on Sept 7, 2015 11:57:08 GMT
Great game and congrats to the Dubs .. Rashers etc.. will be happy chappies after that .. Enjoy it chaps its a great feeling (yep, I still sorta remember lol) Jeez, it must be tough to support Mayo ... Feel so sorry for the poor feckers I really thought this was their year and I "really" thought they had it in the bag yesterday with 15 mins to go .. How Lee Keegan missed that easy point just summed Mayo up .. For a really top player like him to do that is inexcusable it you have any aspirations to win an AI .. It leads you to believe that there really is something "fundamentally" wrong in the Mayo mentality at this stage which is subconsciously stopping them for kicking on and winning this damn thing !!! I liked James Horan, he did a lot right but he wasnt a great/good tactician, I believe this new fella is no better .. Some terrible decisions 2 weeks in a row (just as Horan did last year) which everyone know about so I wont repeat .. But Jeez it must madden a lot of Mayo people to see them not pushing up on Cluxton enough and to see AOS totally undersued .. that 2 weeks in a row he's been a peripheral figure .. He's better than that !! Mayo need an outside manager .. I would nearly guarantee that Jim McGuinness would have them winning an AI within 2 years.. They need someone who can change their mentality completely and stop the ridiculous capitulation that will otherwise inevitably happen at some stage of their run... its their MENTALITY which is their biggest downfall .... If I was from Mayo and considering our past record in AI's I would have been pretty bemused to see AOS walking off the field yesterday in a Dublin jersey ... Simply Flabbergasted MDMA made some difference when he came on and when the hell did Paddy Andrews get so good .. he's been brilliant over the last 2 weeks .. I seem to remember that he couldnt get on that team for years !! Also, McMahon is a damn site better player than I though .. had a very good game yesterday.. I believe this is possibly bad news for Kerry though as even if Mayo had scraped past the Dubs yesterday they probably still would have capitulated to you guys in the final .. I dont believe Dublin will do that and the 2 games will have brought them on heaps, just as it did for you guys last year .. Dublin to win the AI now ... Well I'm 70% sure on that anyway !!! .. ok, maybe 60%
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Post by playitfair on Sept 7, 2015 12:11:12 GMT
Great game and congrats to the Dubs .. Rashers etc.. will be happy chappies after that .. Enjoy it chaps its a great feeling (yep, I still sorta remember lol) Jeez, it must be tough to support Mayo ... Feel so sorry for the poor feckers I really thought this was their year and I "really" thought they had it in the bag yesterday with 15 mins to go .. How Lee Keegan missed that easy point just summed Mayo up .. For a really top player like him to do that is inexcusable it you have any aspirations to win an AI .. It leads you to believe that there really is something "fundamentally" wrong in the Mayo mentality at this stage which is subconsciously stopping them for kicking on and winning this damn thing !!! I liked James Horan, he did a lot right but he wasnt a great/good tactician, I believe this new fella is no better .. Some terrible decisions 2 weeks in a row (just as Horan did last year) which everyone know about so I wont repeat .. But Jeez it must madden a lot of Mayo people to see them not pushing up on Cluxton enough and to see AOS totally undersued .. that 2 weeks in a row he's been a peripheral figure .. He's better than that !! Mayo need an outside manager .. I would nearly guarantee that Jim McGuinness would have them winning an AI within 2 years.. They need someone who can change their mentality completely and stop the ridiculous capitulation that will otherwise inevitably happen at some stage of their run... its their MENTALITY which is their biggest downfall .... If I was from Mayo and considering our past record in AI's I would have been pretty bemused to see AOS walking off the field yesterday in a Dublin jersey ... Simply Flabbergasted MDMA made some difference when he came on and when the hell did Paddy Andrews get so good .. he's been brilliant over the last 2 weeks .. I seem to remember that he couldnt get on that team for years !! Also, McMahon is a damn site better player than I though .. had a very good game yesterday.. I believe this is possibly bad news for Kerry though as even if Mayo had scraped past the Dubs yesterday they probably still would have capitulated to you guys in the final .. I dont believe Dublin will do that and the 2 games will have brought them on heaps, just as it did for you guys last year .. Dublin to win the AI now ... Well I'm 70% sure on that anyway !!! .. ok, maybe 60% I thought he had a great game against Kerry in the 2013 match. I couldn't figure why he wasn't a nailed down regular.
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Post by Dermot on Sept 7, 2015 12:27:31 GMT
Great game and congrats to the Dubs .. Rashers etc.. will be happy chappies after that .. Enjoy it chaps its a great feeling (yep, I still sorta remember lol) Jeez, it must be tough to support Mayo ... Feel so sorry for the poor feckers I really thought this was their year and I "really" thought they had it in the bag yesterday with 15 mins to go .. How Lee Keegan missed that easy point just summed Mayo up .. For a really top player like him to do that is inexcusable it you have any aspirations to win an AI .. It leads you to believe that there really is something "fundamentally" wrong in the Mayo mentality at this stage which is subconsciously stopping them for kicking on and winning this damn thing !!! I liked James Horan, he did a lot right but he wasnt a great/good tactician, I believe this new fella is no better .. Some terrible decisions 2 weeks in a row (just as Horan did last year) which everyone know about so I wont repeat .. But Jeez it must madden a lot of Mayo people to see them not pushing up on Cluxton enough and to see AOS totally undersued .. that 2 weeks in a row he's been a peripheral figure .. He's better than that !! Mayo need an outside manager .. I would nearly guarantee that Jim McGuinness would have them winning an AI within 2 years.. They need someone who can change their mentality completely and stop the ridiculous capitulation that will otherwise inevitably happen at some stage of their run... its their MENTALITY which is their biggest downfall .... If I was from Mayo and considering our past record in AI's I would have been pretty bemused to see AOS walking off the field yesterday in a Dublin jersey ... Simply Flabbergasted MDMA made some difference when he came on and when the hell did Paddy Andrews get so good .. he's been brilliant over the last 2 weeks .. I seem to remember that he couldnt get on that team for years !! Also, McMahon is a damn site better player than I though .. had a very good game yesterday.. I believe this is possibly bad news for Kerry though as even if Mayo had scraped past the Dubs yesterday they probably still would have capitulated to you guys in the final .. I dont believe Dublin will do that and the 2 games will have brought them on heaps, just as it did for you guys last year .. Dublin to win the AI now ... Well I'm 70% sure on that anyway !!! .. ok, maybe 60% I thought he had a great game against Kerry in the 2013 match. I couldn't figure why he wasn't a nailed down regular. I dont remember that but he would ususally have been on the bench I think .. Virtually un-markable yesterday !! I'd say he'll be a regular now !!
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Post by seaniebo on Sept 7, 2015 12:34:09 GMT
Great game and congrats to the Dubs .. Rashers etc.. will be happy chappies after that .. Enjoy it chaps its a great feeling (yep, I still sorta remember lol) Jeez, it must be tough to support Mayo ... Feel so sorry for the poor feckers I really thought this was their year and I "really" thought they had it in the bag yesterday with 15 mins to go .. How Lee Keegan missed that easy point just summed Mayo up .. For a really top player like him to do that is inexcusable it you have any aspirations to win an AI .. It leads you to believe that there really is something "fundamentally" wrong in the Mayo mentality at this stage which is subconsciously stopping them for kicking on and winning this damn thing !!! I liked James Horan, he did a lot right but he wasnt a great/good tactician, I believe this new fella is no better .. Some terrible decisions 2 weeks in a row (just as Horan did last year) which everyone know about so I wont repeat .. But Jeez it must madden a lot of Mayo people to see them not pushing up on Cluxton enough and to see AOS totally undersued .. that 2 weeks in a row he's been a peripheral figure .. He's better than that !! Mayo need an outside manager .. I would nearly guarantee that Jim McGuinness would have them winning an AI within 2 years.. They need someone who can change their mentality completely and stop the ridiculous capitulation that will otherwise inevitably happen at some stage of their run... its their MENTALITY which is their biggest downfall .... If I was from Mayo and considering our past record in AI's I would have been pretty bemused to see AOS walking off the field yesterday in a Dublin jersey ... Simply Flabbergasted MDMA made some difference when he came on and when the hell did Paddy Andrews get so good .. he's been brilliant over the last 2 weeks .. I seem to remember that he couldnt get on that team for years !! Also, McMahon is a damn site better player than I though .. had a very good game yesterday.. I believe this is possibly bad news for Kerry though as even if Mayo had scraped past the Dubs yesterday they probably still would have capitulated to you guys in the final .. I dont believe Dublin will do that and the 2 games will have brought them on heaps, just as it did for you guys last year .. Dublin to win the AI now ... Well I'm 70% sure on that anyway !!! .. ok, maybe 60% In my opinion Dermot I felt that Kerry were flat in the final last year. Luckily for us Donegal were as well. It took a mammoth effort to get over Mayo last year. I think we'll be fresher now and I expect us to be rip roaring on the 20th. It will remain to be seen if the Dubs will be flat after their battles with Mayo.
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Post by Tadhgeen on Sept 7, 2015 13:07:11 GMT
You need a bit of luck to win All Ireland's - most of the time anyhow. I felt Mayo had none in this game. Clearly Vaughan was not right and the black card for O'Shea was ridiculous. Keegan's effort to go 5 up was uncharacteristic of him but credit I suppose to the Dublin defender who did enough to put him off. The game was there for Mayo once they got the goal but a combination of lackadaisical play and the run of the ball for Dublin scuppered them. Dublin's first goal was from a complete mis-kick. Up to that point Dublin looked well beaten and very ordinary. Anyway it was hard to judge either team as I felt there were a number of passengers on each team which is unusual for a semi-final. Luck??? Mayo started a player who was not fit. A player loses his composure not unlike DC the last day. A player drops the ball into the goalkeeper's hands. These aren't anything to do with luck. We had our fair share of luck last year. All I am saying is that Mayo did not get many lucky breaks this year and last. Of course they made mistakes in the last game but I would not be rushing in pointing fingers at the management or indeed individual players. I still think they are a fine team and will not be surpised to see them back again next year. Dublin's fairly luck first goal changed teh game entirely in my opinion. It was not too long ago on this very forum that Kerry players and the new management were been written off and not just for one season!
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Post by fitz on Sept 7, 2015 13:21:04 GMT
Thin they should give McStay a crack - he has been able to manage a team to a club All Ireland. Joint managers - wtf. They got so many things wrong on the day and still had a 4 point lead with 15 mins to go. Dublin's backs give O'Shea's isolation haven't had a real test yet, against proper scoring forwards. Given that for two games they're used to doubling up on O'Shea might be a strong indicator to start Geaney - to mix it up a bit.
Andrews is very good, his foot speed on the turn is incredible to see Higgins put on his arse in the first half. BUT - if he doesn't start well and gets rattled, misses scores, I think the head goes down - a significant BUT of course.
Connolly and yet again Flynn were not at the races but Kilkenny and Andrews and gradually Bernard stepped it up. I think it best not to get overcomes by Dublin's 3-5 in last 12 mins, which was incredible, but needs some reflective context. It was Mayo who ceded control as opposed to Dublin taking it. Keegan point miss.Some brutal defending from Mayo with that little bit of luck Fenton got from screwing his shot.
I watched the first half in detail last night and Mayo coughed up 7-8 plays from good advanced positions, either wides, abhorrent long balls into a static O'Shea that went nowhere near him, to two unforced shots into Cluxton's hands. Mayo had a load of possession - they just have no collective set of forwards and the continued propensity for making game changing errors. Two bright notes for them are Diarmuid O'Connor, looks a fine player, confident and well able to take a score and Tom Parsons. Key turnover against him in second half but he did a pile of good work both days.
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Post by brucewayne on Sept 7, 2015 13:21:11 GMT
Has anyone seen the full squad including subs bench that Dublin named for Saturday? Tricky one to find online.
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Post by fitz on Sept 7, 2015 13:23:00 GMT
Oh yeah - as well as tracking McMahon (that's on O'Shea and management), James McCarthy did a lot of damage filled roaming - THE key link man feeding the forwards. His influence will need to be diluted
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