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Post by watchdebreakswillye on Sept 5, 2015 21:10:43 GMT
The Mayo team, management and supporters have to be admired. They kept coming back and back and back. However, all the defeats over the last number of years must affect the teams confidence and morale. It would be an incredible feat if this group of players manage to pick themselves up now again and win an All-Ireland soon. Galway and Roscommon are watching their wounded neighbour and will fancy their chances of dethroning them as Connacht Champions next year. That could spell the beginning of the end for this Mayo team. Thanks to Mayo for some great games, particularly the two games against Kerry in last years semi-final. Those games helped Kerry in their successful journey through last years championship.
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Post by dano on Sept 5, 2015 21:25:34 GMT
Congratulations on reaching the final Dublin. The best team won. It was a good game and it sets up for a great final. I was glad DC played. If Keegan played in last years semi then Diarmuid deserved to play in this one. Nasty "tackle" by Cillian OConnor on Cluxton very early on. May the best team win in the final! The best team being Kerry.
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Post by Hicser on Sept 5, 2015 21:35:24 GMT
Aidan O'Shea --- who I am a fan of --- disappeared after the first Dublin goal. I'm afraid that's a familiar story for AOS.
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Post by fitz on Sept 5, 2015 21:51:30 GMT
Sport is generous to the folly of winners but not the losers. Mayo supporters should have been concerned about the competence of their sideline and the team set up after last Sunday. Management got it badly wrong again today. As a matter of interest where did they get it wrong or was it just that seamus oshea being black carded? - picking Ger Cafferkey. He's really weak. Heavily at fault for first two goals. Helped us win Sam last year. - Kick out strategy. After last week how was persistence with not pressuring Cluxton the way forward? - Picking Barry Moran. Too slow for this level. - Repeating the clear failings of last week in isolating O'Shea. - Allowing pi$$ poor kicking into O'Shea to persist right til half time when it wasn't working - This is an assumption: not addressing McMahon being allowed to saunter into the heart of Mayo's defence in first half and seeing the same movement and player nail their coffin. - Not sure if they have no other keeper but Hennelly is not a savvy tuned in keeper. Did he even see McMahon.? He tried to catch the ball. Couldn't believe it. Only saw 50 mins.
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Post by beantownfan on Sept 5, 2015 21:59:30 GMT
Mayo management yet again must hold their hand up.. I can't understand why they did not push up on the Dublin kickout.. You have two fine midfielders in Parsons and O'Shea, why not push up and make things a bit uneasy for Cluxton, make him drive it out.. If you want to have a sweeper delegate to one of the half forwards to push up for the kick out and as soon as the ball is kicked high tail it back to the center of defense? I know such things are grand 'in theory', but it really is a mystery as to why they left the dubs do as they wish with the kickout.. Even the forwards that were present did not seem to do the Kerry style splitting defenders pointing to areas that need coverage etc. Similar last year where Donaghy was left one on one for the replay, seems very naive. You'd imagine it must be a conscious decision! I thought in one way "what goes around comes around" with the Diarmuid Connolly reprisal - Keegan should never have played the replay last year, Mayo can't have too many quams about Connolly but no doubt many of their keyboard warriors will be out in force going on about what an injustice it was, forgetting that they had two players do the same thing in the past 12 months. Again AOS goes missing, I was sure that this was going to be a different Mayo team, with the introduction of a sweeper and AOS in FF, but when they should have had their tails up midways through the second half they just wilted completely.. They definitely had Dublin on the ropes, but as usual couldn't land the knock out blow.. Is it too much to dream that we could take Tyrone and Dublin's scalp all in one month!!! If Kerry do manage this, it will be a most sweet one!
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Post by dano on Sept 5, 2015 22:08:13 GMT
Congratulations on reaching the final Dublin. The best team won. It was a good game and it sets up for a great final. I was glad DC played. If Keegan played in last years semi then Diarmuid deserved to play in this one. Nasty "tackle" by Cillian OConnor on Cluxton very early on. May the best team win in the final! The best team being Kerry.
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Post by fitz on Sept 5, 2015 22:37:57 GMT
Aidan O'Shea should have tracked the bauld Philly or at least have supervised the delegation in real time
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Post by sullyschoice on Sept 5, 2015 23:59:36 GMT
As i was walking in tomthe ground today wearing my kerry shirt accompanied by my two Dublin supporting girls a mayo lad in his 20's attempted to hit me with a shoulder. He missed...summed up their day. I hope he was proud of himself
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Post by Kingdomson on Sept 6, 2015 9:54:12 GMT
If the replayed game reinforced anything, it is that Mayo are great team to chase a lead but they’re a poor side at keeping one and leading from the front. It also reinforced the idea that Dublin come alive on the oxygen of goals like no other team. Make no mistake, Dublin’s chin was well out and they were wobbling early in that second half but Mayo simply could not deliver a knockout punch.
The two factors for me in the deciding of the game was the collapse of the Mayo midfield and the Dublin line acted quickly and shrewdly. Even though Seamus O’Shea has been winning plaudits this summer, it was actually Tom Parson's for me who has been the footballing brain and star man of the Mayo midfield all summer. Tom Parson’s gave an immense performance against Dublin in the first drawn game, a game where Seamus O’Shea was taken off. According to Dessie Dolan in the commentary, Tom sustained a broken thumb in the drawn game. A report I would believe, as when I saw Parson’s fall awkwardly last night after fetching one ball in possession he didn’t even put the free hand out to protect his fall but used his head! In any case, Parsons certainly has his most subdued game for Mayo all summer in the replay last night.
Mayo were playing one trump card from the line all summer - the springing of Andy Moran. The card was thrown early last night and true to form it had Dublin in bother for a while. Moran’s abrasive and direct style matched with plenty of pace had Johnny Cooper in serious bother. Following the Mayo goal - the Dublin line acted quickly, whipping off Cooper and bringing on Fitzsimons who nullified the threat of Moran.
Veteran makes a solid point above about Paddy Andrews – to score 5 off Keith Higgins is a great days work.
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Post by kerrygold on Sept 6, 2015 10:07:03 GMT
The first 35 minutes of football was as good as the game gets. It was an exceptional half of all that is great about the game. Mayo seriously imploded in the second half and self destructed.
I thought the black card totally flew in the face of what the black card was meant to be for. I can only assume the lines man didn't see the full incident as it unfolded.
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Post by Jo90 on Sept 6, 2015 10:23:14 GMT
Mayo had a chance to win it the first day, they had possession and Dublin were down to 13 men essentially with Connolly off and Alan Brogan barely able to walk. They couldn't even get a shot off. Contrast that to Kerry's equalisers v Cork and Mayo.
A huge turning point yesterday showed what a game of inches it was. Keegan puts a few more percent power into his shot and Mayo are 5 up. Fenton takes a terrible attempt at goal and usually that would have been a wide and hugely demoralising but in fairness Dublin had a few players following up.
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Sept 6, 2015 11:31:51 GMT
The first 35 minutes of football was as good as the game gets. It was an exceptional half of all that is great about the game. Mayo seriously imploded in the second half and self destructed. I thought the black card totally flew in the face of what the black card was meant to be for. I can only assume the lines man didn't see the full incident as it unfolded. Yes by the letter of the law it was the black but certainly not by the spirit. Would you have given him a red rather than a black? I think I might have.
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Post by fitz on Sept 6, 2015 11:36:46 GMT
As i was walking in tomthe ground today wearing my kerry shirt accompanied by my two Dublin supporting girls a mayo lad in his 20's attempted to hit me with a shoulder. He missed...summed up their day. I hope he was proud of himself Twas Dermot . Shocking stuff being serious
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Post by fitz on Sept 6, 2015 11:43:59 GMT
If the replayed game reinforced anything, it is that Mayo are great team to chase a lead but they’re a poor side at keeping one and leading from the front. It also reinforced the idea that Dublin come alive on the oxygen of goals like no other team. Make no mistake, Dublin’s chin was well out and they were wobbling early in that second half but Mayo simply could not deliver a knockout punch. The two factors for me in the deciding of the game was the collapse of the Mayo midfield and the Dublin line acted quickly and shrewdly. Even though Seamus O’Shea has been winning plaudits this summer, it was actually Tom Parson's for me who has been the footballing brain and star man of the Mayo midfield all summer. Tom Parson’s gave an immense performance against Dublin in the first drawn game, a game where Seamus O’Shea was taken off. According to Dessie Dolan in the commentary, Tom sustained a broken thumb in the drawn game. A report I would believe, as when I saw Parson’s fall awkwardly last night after fetching one ball in possession he didn’t even put the free hand out to protect his fall but used his head! In any case, Parsons certainly has his most subdued game for Mayo all summer in the replay last night. Mayo were playing one trump card from the line all summer - the springing of Andy Moran. The card was thrown early last night and true to form it had Dublin in bother for a while. Moran’s abrasive and direct style matched with plenty of pace had Johnny Cooper in serious bother. Following the Mayo goal - the Dublin line acted quickly, whipping off Cooper and bringing on Fitzsimons who nullified the threat of Moran. Veteran makes a solid point above about Paddy Andrews – to score 5 off Keith Higgins is a great days work. Fine post. There's a picture inset on cover of Sunday Times showing Hennelly trying to catch the ball for second goal, arms outstretched ball on platter. You couldn't dream it up.
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Post by playitfair on Sept 6, 2015 11:54:34 GMT
One comment about yesterday was the performance of Eddie kinsella. Fine game by him I thought.
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Post by kerrygold on Sept 6, 2015 11:55:54 GMT
The first 35 minutes of football was as good as the game gets. It was an exceptional half of all that is great about the game. Mayo seriously imploded in the second half and self destructed. I thought the black card totally flew in the face of what the black card was meant to be for. I can only assume the lines man didn't see the full incident as it unfolded. Yes by the letter of the law it was the black but certainly not by the spirit. Would you have given him a red rather than a black? I think I might have. It was no more than a yellow card in my opinion, Cooper should have got one also for his conning of the match day officials.
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Sept 6, 2015 12:31:00 GMT
Yes by the letter of the law it was the black but certainly not by the spirit. Would you have given him a red rather than a black? I think I might have. It was no more than a yellow card in my opinion, Cooper should have got one also for his conning of the match day officials. In that incident? I didn't think he dived. He was acting the pup but SOS should have known better - I thought he was playing well too.
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Post by kerrygold on Sept 6, 2015 12:47:48 GMT
It was no more than a yellow card in my opinion, Cooper should have got one also for his conning of the match day officials. In that incident? I didn't think he dived. He was acting the pup but SOS should have known better - I thought he was playing well too. Cooper barged into O'Shea from the back off the play and then dropped his hands by his side and allowed himself to be thrown to the ground when O'Shea retaliated.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 6, 2015 13:24:40 GMT
Cooper acting the pup? O Shea dragged him around the neck. Of course no Kerry player james o donoghue for e.g would con a ref.
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Sept 6, 2015 14:00:14 GMT
In that incident? I didn't think he dived. He was acting the pup but SOS should have known better - I thought he was playing well too. Cooper barged into O'Shea from the back off the play and then dropped his hands by his side and allowed himself to be thrown to the ground when O'Shea retaliated. Yeah...
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Post by givehimaball on Sept 6, 2015 14:19:16 GMT
One comment about yesterday was the performance of Eddie kinsella. Fine game by him I thought. He was helped a lot by the fallout from the previous game (lads knew that any bit of misbehaviour would be subject to extreme scrutiny - they'd just had a week of every bit of niggle getting highlighted) He flashed a yellow to one of the O'Connor's early on that was a bit debatable but was very blatant in a setting out the stall way to let the players know he was adopting an "I'll be dishing out cards for anything" one. The fine game by Kinsella was largely driven by the fact that there was a world less of acting the maggot by the players which meant he had very few debatable decisions to make. It was a far far easier game to ref than the first game.
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Post by sullyschoice on Sept 6, 2015 14:47:44 GMT
As i was walking in tomthe ground today wearing my kerry shirt accompanied by my two Dublin supporting girls a mayo lad in his 20's attempted to hit me with a shoulder. He missed...summed up their day. I hope he was proud of himself Twas Dermot . Shocking stuff being serious A poke in the eye would be more their style.
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Sept 6, 2015 14:49:58 GMT
Cooper acting the pup? O Shea dragged him around the neck. Of course no Kerry player james o donoghue for e.g would con a ref. I mean he was acting the pup in the way he shouldered SOS in the back. I don't think he was trying to con the ref.
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Post by Ballyfireside on Sept 6, 2015 19:21:51 GMT
Was there a similarity with Galway hurlers and who lost their lead? They just died a death? I men at the end you almost felt they were wishing for the whistle to blow, they had lost the killer instinct.
What is even worse is that this is a newish and young Cats team starting out and Cody is now retired so he will have more time, then again things don't always follow the most likely pattern, but sometimes they do.
It is hard to see Mayo getting that extra gear, but as I said, things don't always follow the most likely pattern!
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Post by ballynamona on Sept 6, 2015 19:27:34 GMT
The only possible hope for Mayo is to get a new management team asap. I know that Holmes and Connelly have had just one year, and in that year they got to an AI SF replay. So turfing them may seem harsh.
But the sands of time are ticking quickly for this Mayo team. I think they need a radical change. The Mayo County Board need to consider some kind of 'disruptive innovation'. They should try to get someone of the ilk of Jack O'Connor or Jim McGuinness into manage the team.
I can't take Pat Holmes that seriously.
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Post by seamo on Sept 6, 2015 20:17:25 GMT
Was there a similarity with Galway hurlers and who lost their lead? They just died a death? I men at the end you almost felt they were wishing for the whistle to blow, they had lost the killer instinct. What is even worse is that this is a newish and young Cats team starting out and Cody is now retired so he will have more time, then again things don't always follow the most likely pattern, but sometimes they do. It is hard to see Mayo getting that extra gear, but as I said, things don't always follow the most likely pattern! I don't think so. They did all that they could in the 1st half, the Cats are a different animal though. They are more clinical than any GAA team, the hurling game was more about the scores Kilkenny got rather than the scores Galway missed. The can't be said of Mayo who just lack that clinical killer instinct when in the biggest games.
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Post by donegalman on Sept 6, 2015 20:48:04 GMT
Poor mayo, god love them they are not going to win it now, I thought that bunch of players really deserved one. Its back to their clubs now for their county club campaigns. They must be sick of this. Not much else you can say really, I think the bus has now left the plaza on them for an all ireland. Cillian Oconnor and his generation might see one, but the reality is that the seasons fly in, and if you dont make your chances count in the moment, kicking the can down the road for future generations is a game that you just dont want to hear or play. It is now or never. .They will try again, but their effort is probably forlorn at this stage with certain personnel being at that age.
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Post by kerrygold on Sept 6, 2015 20:53:52 GMT
Poor mayo, god love them they are not going to win it now, I thought that bunch of players really deserved one. Its back to their clubs now for their county club campaigns. They must be sick of this. Not much else you can say really, I think the bus has now left the plaza on them for an all ireland. Cillian Oconnor and his generation might see one, but the reality is that the seasons fly in, and if you dont make your chances count in the moment, kicking the can down the road for future generations is a game that you just dont want to hear or play. It is now or never. .They will try again, but their effort is probably forlorn at this stage with certain personnel being at that age. 2012 and 2013 probably saw them peak as a group. They looked particularly good going into the 2013 final.
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Post by norman on Sept 6, 2015 21:21:44 GMT
The defending for Dublins goals was comical to say the least. Aiden o Shea goes on the missing list again when he is needed most, comical tactics from the Mayo sideline etc. The same old story from Mayo.
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Post by Tadhgeen on Sept 6, 2015 21:26:05 GMT
You need a bit of luck to win All Ireland's - most of the time anyhow. I felt Mayo had none in this game. Clearly Vaughan was not right and the black card for O'Shea was ridiculous. Keegan's effort to go 5 up was uncharacteristic of him but credit I suppose to the Dublin defender who did enough to put him off.
The game was there for Mayo once they got the goal but a combination of lackadaisical play and the run of the ball for Dublin scuppered them. Dublin's first goal was from a complete mis-kick.
Up to that point Dublin looked well beaten and very ordinary. Anyway it was hard to judge either team as I felt there were a number of passengers on each team which is unusual for a semi-final.
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