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Post by hurlingman on Feb 20, 2015 13:40:08 GMT
The BS is already flowing on HS about this game. A win would be a good marker to put down here. I think a few of th elads who have been used as subs in the first rwo games should be out in from the start, the likes of O Connor, Fitz etc
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Feb 20, 2015 14:35:56 GMT
The BS is already flowing on HS about this game. A win would be a good marker to put down here. I think a few of th elads who have been used as subs in the first rwo games should be out in from the start, the likes of O Connor, Fitz etc Well what do you expect from a forum that has to have a curfew?
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Post by hurlingman on Feb 20, 2015 14:45:01 GMT
The BS is already flowing on HS about this game. A win would be a good marker to put down here. I think a few of th elads who have been used as subs in the first rwo games should be out in from the start, the likes of O Connor, Fitz etc Well what do you expect from a forum that has to have a curfew? Well thats true. Its quite funny to see some of the comments, the funniest thing being the fact that most of them are being made by the same person just with different usernames
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Post by playitfair on Feb 20, 2015 15:42:34 GMT
Teams can't be quantified and so compared scientifically, well apart from on the scoreboard if they meet, but that doesn't mean we can't enjoy a bit of speculation, even if we laugh at what we say when we take another look. Ulster teams of old weren't as good and then they leap-frogged us on physicality, and we were so slow to adapt, only this year did we do so and we won at out first attempt. I think we need to blood our minors on the same style. Although a far better bunch, Donegal clipped our heels in the final. Wouldn't have considered Tyrone's noughties team to have been any more physical than that Kerry team particularly after 2003. Tyrone weren't a big team really. Weighed less and shorter in stature on average than Armagh's anyway and that Kerry side had a very strong spine. Won at your first attempt is a pretty black and white way of looking at it in my opinion. What does that even mean? Kerry won plenty of matches against Northern teams in the last 15 years e.g. Monaghan and an excellent Armagh team in 2006 and I don't think the Tyrone team were a carbon copy of the Donegal of 2014 anyway. Tyrone's offence was a lot better than Donegal's which was downright poor in the final last year and Tyrone rarely got as many men behind the ball. Dara O'Cinneide for example thought Tyrone were more positive than Kerry in the 2005 final and I'd consider Donegal's performance in the 2014 final as anything but positive. Anyway I'm rambling and I can appreciate why it was a satisfying victory because of this perception that Kerry struggle against Northern teams team - I think Marc O'Se said that himself so I don't think I'm being arrogant when I say that - and obviously it's satisfying anyway but y'know what I mean. The forward 6 for Tyrome in 2005 were an exceptional unit.
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Post by Seoirse Ui Duic on Feb 20, 2015 16:21:39 GMT
Tyrone were not just defensively in 2003, 05 and 08, but each player was equally adapt at defending and attacking. In 2003 and 2005 especially it wasn't so much their defending as it was stopping Kerry from scoring. Unlike Donegal they did not put 14 men behind a ball but instead forced turnovers in midfield and Kerry's own half. Any team with scorers like Sean Cavanagh, Brian Dooher, Peter Canavan, Eoin Mulligan and Stephen O'Neill should be able to score well. All those also work very hard and are equally good at defending. They weren't huge, physical men like the current Donegal team but excellent at tackling. Brian Dooher tackling Darragh Ó Sé and coming away with the ball? If it was all physicality that wouldn't happen. In my opinion one of the reasons why Tyrone could not manage back to back titles was their insane work rate. If every man constantly plays defence and attack it must take a lot out of them. It took Kerry years to get to the same fitness level and the same work rate. By Tomás' own admission Kerry never really matched Tyrone when it really mattered. Tyrone put their bodies on the line in each game. I've never been a fan of Tyrone's style of football in the naughties (though they play better football now but are less successful), but I care for Jimmy's "football" even less. Two league games played and it already looks like Gallagher wants them to play more ball. Let's hope that is indeed the case. Though Kerry have adapted their style a bit to deal with the blanket defences we still use kick passing a lot and even in the final I think we showed some lovely football at times. Gone though is the naivety thinking we can win simply by outscoring the other team. Defending is no longer a matter of man marking as forwards now roam around the pitch and end up defending as well. Hopefully we can develop this even further becoming even better in defence and even better in attack.
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Feb 20, 2015 16:26:22 GMT
... it wasn't so much their defending as it was stopping Kerry from scoring... I wasn't aware of a difference to be honest!
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Post by Seoirse Ui Duic on Feb 20, 2015 16:32:44 GMT
... it wasn't so much their defending as it was stopping Kerry from scoring... I wasn't aware of a difference to be honest! I meant to say that they weren't hanging around in their own half all game with 14 men behind the ball, but their defensive structure was one of swarming the player and they played defensive all over the field. Rather than Donegal they did not just hang around their own half and stopped any team from coming into their half, but their defending started as soon as they lost possession. It takes training to switch so immediately from attacking to defending, but that seemed to be the main focus of their training.
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Post by tyroneperson on Feb 20, 2015 20:58:51 GMT
I've never been a fan of Tyrone's style of football in the naughties (though they play better football now but are less successful), but I care for Jimmy's "football" even less. I don't think Tyrone have played decent attacking football at all in the last few years so we're not exactly on the same page here. Harte tried to be a lot more positive last year than they were in 2013 (which was the most purely defensive Tyrone has been under Harte) and it was a disaster - albeit for other reasons imo. If the Mayo league match is anything to by Tyrone might be going back how we played in 2013. Not sure that's ideal either but we'll see. We really can't be any worse than last year though. I agree with your comment about Kerry playing some good football in the final. O'Donaghue kicked some excellent passes, he'd be an excellent centre half-forward. Thought he had a really good game though some people seemed to think otherwise.
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Post by Seoirse Ui Duic on Feb 20, 2015 21:41:44 GMT
In my opinion Tyrone were trying something new last year but relying almost entirely on McCurry and the Cavanaghs. They played more football but it was a disaster year indeed for them. To survive Ulster they need to do what Kerry had to do in the final and be more defensive. It's almost ironic that a system that they started is now dictating what they need to do to win. Tyrone's forwards aren't as exceptional anymore as they once were and in fact the whole team us not as good as before (in my opinion but I think you'll agree that the players coming up are good but not as good). A lot depends on whether Harte can adapt. He was brilliant in getting the very best out of the team that he managed from since they were minors. He obviously knew exactly what players he had and what they could do. The style that he developed got the best out of that team and they got Tyrone 3 All Irelands as a consequence. He now has very different players that he hasn't had under his tutelage since they were minors. I'm not sure yet if he can adapt to them or they to him. I hope Tyrone are not sticking with the Mayo game style. It is more effective though so it is what they need to get back on top they should do it. I wouldn't like to see them play, but then again I'm not a Tyrone supporter so I'm not too bothered about how they play as long as they don't beat Kerry. Kerry have finally learned how to deal with blanket defences and defensive systems so maybe playing Tyrone would be a good test.
I agree that O'Donoghue had a great final in my opinion. He was always going to be double marked yet he sacrificed his game dragging those markers with him around the pitch, thus creating space for others to score. Other teams found it much harder to score against Donegal, but Kerry's score against them was pretty much in line with that. Derry scored 0-11 against them, Antrim 0-12, Monaghan 1-09, Armagh 1-11, Dublin 0-17 and Kerry 2-09. Dublin scored the most against them yet they were well beaten so just scoring a lot wouldn't be enough. Donegal were always going to target Kerry's main scoring threat and O'Donoghue played his role perfectly by passing to the men in space. It was not purist's game but it had some excellent football in it. Kerry conceded the lowest score against them all year so it is clear that the focus was on that, but it was so much more than just defence.
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Post by Ballyfireside on Feb 21, 2015 3:49:25 GMT
In '14 Kerry played a defensive strategic style that disarmed Donegal; now of course there was more it it than that but we basically Donegalled Donegal and we'd have beaten any Ulster team, or indeed any other team down the years if we adapted sooner. Management put it on public record that they wouldn't change and so we changed the management, and we won! Only teams with managers who understand the changing dynamics of the game win and there is proof of that from down the years; no bad manager won although god ones lost to better ones, '14 being a case in point and especially from the semis onwards. Some thought I was bumming up Fitzy when I repeatedly said that I believed he would deliver; in a way maybe it was just a hunch although I do rate him ahead on the other 3; he is solid, calculated, ruthlessly decisive (Eg with Marc) and he is at the ideal age having also played relatively recently. My sole concern was that he was friends with a good few, but look at how he handled it all to absolute perfection; his in law Paul moved on, at the end Marc was delighted and in agreement with how things were handled and as was Donaghy, and so were we, hehehe! What one word could you use to describe Fitzy?, RESPECT I'd use! He smells of it. He is so sensible in how he handles fellas that he can only be respected, they trust him and that is so obvious from a hundred miles; he was even like that as a player, a Laochra Gael if ever there was such a thing! And by the way, I don't know Éamonn personally nor is he local to me or anything, agus níl an baint agam, i.e. I have no ulterior motive to lash praise on him.
There are two general aspects to dispute, 1. facts and 2. interpretation, and with so many of us on here I for one don't try to disagree with others; I simply read what others say, and learn from them. I'd also offer a view if I feel strongly that there is a gap in what is being said, E.g. maybe an aspect isn't addressed, maybe a new thread is needed!
My views on Tyrone are down to interpretation, and yes, their intensity was far more physical that ours and they won when it mattered. Having read responses to what I said I think we all more or less agree and which isn't surprising as we saw the same games and we are all generally sporting about things. That we think similar has someone suggest that people are using multiple accounts to support their opinions; that is also known as madness, talking to oneself and answering yourself back; Control needs to be told and by identifying the input device IP address they will know where to send the white coats.
PS Yeah, it was '97 and not '98 when I asked Jack'O Sea about comparing teams, sorry a Chairde, I'd hate to fool ye!
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Post by Deise Exile on Feb 21, 2015 19:57:42 GMT
In '14 Kerry played a defensive strategic style that disarmed Donegal; now of course there was more it it than that but we basically Donegalled Donegal and we'd have beaten any Ulster team, or indeed any other team down the years if we adapted sooner. Management put it on public record that they wouldn't change and so we changed the management, and we won! Only teams with managers who understand the changing dynamics of the game win and there is proof of that from down the years; no bad manager won although god ones lost to better ones, '14 being a case in point and especially from the semis onwards. Some thought I was bumming up Fitzy when I repeatedly said that I believed he would deliver; in a way maybe it was just a hunch although I do rate him ahead on the other 3; he is solid, calculated, ruthlessly decisive (Eg with Marc) and he is at the ideal age having also played relatively recently. My sole concern was that he was friends with a good few, but look at how he handled it all to absolute perfection; his in law Paul moved on, at the end Marc was delighted and in agreement with how things were handled and as was Donaghy, and so were we, hehehe! What one word could you use to describe Fitzy?, RESPECT I'd use! He smells of it. He is so sensible in how he handles fellas that he can only be respected, they trust him and that is so obvious from a hundred miles; he was even like that as a player, a Laochra Gael if ever there was such a thing! And by the way, I don't know Éamonn personally nor is he local to me or anything, agus níl an baint agam, i.e. I have no ulterior motive to lash praise on him. There are two general aspects to dispute, 1. facts and 2. interpretation, and with so many of us on here I for one don't try to disagree with others; I simply read what others say, and learn from them. I'd also offer a view if I feel strongly that there is a gap in what is being said, E.g. maybe an aspect isn't addressed, maybe a new thread is needed! My views on Tyrone are down to interpretation, and yes, their intensity was far more physical that ours and they won when it mattered. Having read responses to what I said I think we all more or less agree and which isn't surprising as we saw the same games and we are all generally sporting about things. That we think similar has someone suggest that people are using multiple accounts to support their opinions; that is also known as madness, talking to oneself and answering yourself back; Control needs to be told and by identifying the input device IP address they will know where to send the white coats. PS Yeah, it was '97 and not '98 when I asked Jack'O Sea about comparing teams, sorry a Chairde, I'd hate to fool ye! Extremely self indulgent post. I came on to read something interesting relating to the upcoming Dublin game. I wonder will the stacks lads be involved. It'd be great to see Star and O'Callaghan on
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Post by Ballyfireside on Feb 22, 2015 1:26:28 GMT
Read what you like Deise Exile, my comment is a follow up on history of Dubs vs Kerry, and it was the previous comment that inspired me. Your terming compliments as self-indulgent is, well self-indulgent but anyway I wish you well and sorry I can't write what you like, it ain't my role!
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Post by MrRasherstoyou on Feb 22, 2015 10:49:17 GMT
Looking forward to this, great to be heading to the Kingdom again and to be playing the All-I champions. Phoney war doesn't really explain it, it's a league game, it's a rivalry, and based on the last few years, it's an enigma. For example, 2012, phoney win for Kerry. 2014, default win for Dublin but not a good performance; 2013 Kerry team failed to make it to the game at all (some rugby match on at the same time?), and we still only won by 10. How do you figure that?
This year Kerry are post All-I but I don't expect this to be 2012 in reverse, I think Kerry, first game apart, are hitting the ground running a bit more than many All-I champions have been in recent years. I think they are relatively fresh and hungry. And they have made a poor start to the league the last 2 or 3 years so they will want to be comfortable before the last game or two.
So who knows? As regards where Dublin are at I think all the talk of the strong squad serves to cover over the fact that no team can manage without certain key players. In 2012 Al Brogan was a big loss. Last year No Cullen, no Brennan, no Bastick against Donegal and McCauley's & COS's form dipped.
These are/were the main leaders on the team, along with Cluxton, BBrogan, Connolly. This year Cullen is gone, Al Brogan is doubtful and may be a finished docket. Bastick in his final year I'd say. Cluxton could pack it in any day. All the young promise in the world can't replace game-winners.
Kerry would have beaten Dublin all ends up in the All-I final last year, would have scored 5 goals easily. Is Gavin ruthless enough? Time will tell, this year's championship will define how he will be seen in total. Does he want to kill to win? How does he/the team deal with situations where key players are missing?
Kerry-Dublin league final would be nice.
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Post by kerrygold on Feb 22, 2015 11:26:26 GMT
Looking forward to this, great to be heading to the Kingdom again and to be playing the All-I champions. Phoney war doesn't really explain it, it's a league game, it's a rivalry, and based on the last few years, it's an enigma. For example, 2012, phoney win for Kerry. 2014, default win for Dublin but not a good performance; 2013 Kerry team failed to make it to the game at all (some rugby match on at the same time?), and we still only won by 10. How do you figure that? This year Kerry are post All-I but I don't expect this to be 2012 in reverse, I think Kerry, first game apart, are hitting the ground running a bit more than many All-I champions have been in recent years. I think they are relatively fresh and hungry. And they have made a poor start to the league the last 2 or 3 years so they will want to be comfortable before the last game or two. So who knows? As regards where Dublin are at I think all the talk of the strong squad serves to cover over the fact that no team can manage without certain key players. In 2012 Al Brogan was a big loss. Last year No Cullen, no Brennan, no Bastick against Donegal and McCauley's & COS's form dipped. These are/were the main leaders on the team, along with Cluxton, BBrogan, Connolly. This year Cullen is gone, Al Brogan is doubtful and may be a finished docket. Bastick in his final year I'd say. Kerry would have beaten Dublin all ends up in the All-I final last year, would have scored 5 goals easily. Is Gavin ruthless enough? Time will tell, this year's championship will define how he will be seen in total. Does he want to kill to win? How does he/the team deal with situations where key players are missing? Kerry-Dublin league final would be nice. Good post. Kerry-Dublin League Final in Killarney would be even nicer
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Post by MrRasherstoyou on Feb 22, 2015 12:47:57 GMT
Looking forward to this, great to be heading to the Kingdom again and to be playing the All-I champions. Phoney war doesn't really explain it, it's a league game, it's a rivalry, and based on the last few years, it's an enigma. For example, 2012, phoney win for Kerry. 2014, default win for Dublin but not a good performance; 2013 Kerry team failed to make it to the game at all (some rugby match on at the same time?), and we still only won by 10. How do you figure that? This year Kerry are post All-I but I don't expect this to be 2012 in reverse, I think Kerry, first game apart, are hitting the ground running a bit more than many All-I champions have been in recent years. I think they are relatively fresh and hungry. And they have made a poor start to the league the last 2 or 3 years so they will want to be comfortable before the last game or two. So who knows? As regards where Dublin are at I think all the talk of the strong squad serves to cover over the fact that no team can manage without certain key players. In 2012 Al Brogan was a big loss. Last year No Cullen, no Brennan, no Bastick against Donegal and McCauley's & COS's form dipped. These are/were the main leaders on the team, along with Cluxton, BBrogan, Connolly. This year Cullen is gone, Al Brogan is doubtful and may be a finished docket. Bastick in his final year I'd say. Kerry would have beaten Dublin all ends up in the All-I final last year, would have scored 5 goals easily. Is Gavin ruthless enough? Time will tell, this year's championship will define how he will be seen in total. Does he want to kill to win? How does he/the team deal with situations where key players are missing? Kerry-Dublin league final would be nice. Good post. Kerry-Dublin League Final in Killarney would be even nicer Indeed, that would be a fitting occasion/setting for a national final. And would bring the best out of both teams & supporters. We can but dream as lateral or imaginative thinking doesn't happen much in the planning of our games. Unless of course there's an American Football match on. At least that proved that big games out of Croker work and work very well. In fact I think the momentum & novelty of it helped Kerry on the way to regaining Sam, just as it did for Dublin in 83.
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Post by kerrybhoy06 on Feb 22, 2015 14:08:16 GMT
Looking forward to this, great to be heading to the Kingdom again and to be playing the All-I champions. Phoney war doesn't really explain it, it's a league game, it's a rivalry, and based on the last few years, it's an enigma. For example, 2012, phoney win for Kerry. 2014, default win for Dublin but not a good performance; 2013 Kerry team failed to make it to the game at all (some rugby match on at the same time?), and we still only won by 10. How do you figure that? This year Kerry are post All-I but I don't expect this to be 2012 in reverse, I think Kerry, first game apart, are hitting the ground running a bit more than many All-I champions have been in recent years. I think they are relatively fresh and hungry. And they have made a poor start to the league the last 2 or 3 years so they will want to be comfortable before the last game or two. So who knows? As regards where Dublin are at I think all the talk of the strong squad serves to cover over the fact that no team can manage without certain key players. In 2012 Al Brogan was a big loss. Last year No Cullen, no Brennan, no Bastick against Donegal and McCauley's & COS's form dipped. These are/were the main leaders on the team, along with Cluxton, BBrogan, Connolly. This year Cullen is gone, Al Brogan is doubtful and may be a finished docket. Bastick in his final year I'd say. Cluxton could pack it in any day. All the young promise in the world can't replace game-winners. Kerry would have beaten Dublin all ends up in the All-I final last year, would have scored 5 goals easily. Is Gavin ruthless enough? Time will tell, this year's championship will define how he will be seen in total. Does he want to kill to win? How does he/the team deal with situations where key players are missing? Kerry-Dublin league final would be nice. Enjoy the weekend and here's hoping for a good match
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Post by Mickmack on Feb 22, 2015 15:25:55 GMT
Rashers.... the value of Brennan and Bastick wasn't so stark till the Donegal game and McAuley lost form too at that time which shows that he is human after all. He was going non stop at a high level since 2010.
Ciaran Kilkenny is a huge plus though for Dublin in 2015. He always did the business when it mattered. Himself and McAuley nearly hauled Mayo back on their own in the 2012 semi final.
The past 5 years has seen the pendulum swing in favour of having it over Kerry. Kerrys curve is still upward I feel. 2015 will tell us which way Dublin are going
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Post by kerrygold on Feb 23, 2015 0:34:17 GMT
Good post. Kerry-Dublin League Final in Killarney would be even nicer Indeed, that would be a fitting occasion/setting for a national final. And would bring the best out of both teams & supporters. We can but dream as lateral or imaginative thinking doesn't happen much in the planning of our games. Unless of course there's an American Football match on. At least that proved that big games out of Croker work and work very well. In fact I think the momentum & novelty of it helped Kerry on the way to regaining Sam, just as it did for Dublin in 83. Interesting point re "on the road" helping Dublin & Kerry to All-Ireland titles in '83 & '14. Limerick that day was a special occasion. The Dubs would be most welcome in Killarney for a League Final if both teams qualified.
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Post by buck02 on Feb 23, 2015 10:22:20 GMT
Indeed, that would be a fitting occasion/setting for a national final. And would bring the best out of both teams & supporters. We can but dream as lateral or imaginative thinking doesn't happen much in the planning of our games. Unless of course there's an American Football match on. At least that proved that big games out of Croker work and work very well. In fact I think the momentum & novelty of it helped Kerry on the way to regaining Sam, just as it did for Dublin in 83. Interesting point re "on the road" helping Dublin & Kerry to All-Ireland titles in '83 & '14. Limerick that day was a special occasion. The Dubs would be most welcome in Killarney for a League Final if both teams qualified. Didn't Kerry play Derry in a league final in Parnell Park - why was that? I know the reason behind the Limerick venue in 2006.
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Post by MrRasherstoyou on Feb 23, 2015 10:31:45 GMT
Interesting point re "on the road" helping Dublin & Kerry to All-Ireland titles in '83 & '14. Limerick that day was a special occasion. The Dubs would be most welcome in Killarney for a League Final if both teams qualified. Didn't Kerry play Derry in a league final in Parnell Park - why was that? I know the reason behind the Limerick venue in 2006. Think the pitch was being relayed or something. Good final that was if I recall. Mickmack, You're right about Kilkenny. It's been a long time since a league final has really captured the imagination. Regardless of significance, with so few really big games over the course of the inter-county season, a glam league final would be a good thing. Sadly the last time something interesting was tried (Cork-Dublin in PUC 1999) it turned out a damp squib, between the weather and the game and Cork fans not being interested. Kerry in Killarney would be a whole other thing. But of course 50,000 in Croker against maybe 30,000 in Killarney??
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Post by kerrygold on Feb 23, 2015 11:33:47 GMT
Didn't Kerry play Derry in a league final in Parnell Park - why was that? I know the reason behind the Limerick venue in 2006. Think the pitch was being relayed or something. Good final that was if I recall. Mickmack, You're right about Kilkenny. It's been a long time since a league final has really captured the imagination. Regardless of significance, with so few really big games over the course of the inter-county season, a glam league final would be a good thing. Sadly the last time something interesting was tried (Cork-Dublin in PUC 1999) it turned out a damp squib, between the weather and the game and Cork fans not being interested. Kerry in Killarney would be a whole other thing. But of course 50,000 in Croker against maybe 30,000 in Killarney?? Crowd numbers shouldn't come into it, we all know Croker is more costly to open than Killarney. You would probably get 35k plus in Killarney for a League Final between Dublin and Kerry.
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Post by keane on Feb 23, 2015 12:24:13 GMT
Kilkenny was class against Donegal the other week. The amount of hard running he does off the ball is mind boggling.
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Post by Ballyfireside on Feb 23, 2015 13:56:14 GMT
Well put by you there Rashers, hard to beat a good auld Dub when they get going and it all reminds me of the '70s/80's when The Dublin team came down to Listowel races the week after the AI final win, lose, lose or draw, and that is only the parts we remember. One Lisselton local got a lift 'home' from Ballybunion in the small hours only to wake up in Ballsbridge. As things happen he met his wife-to-be over breakfast in Jurys, all before a return lift being arranged with his father in law to be, this time making it to Listowel for the 1st race. Talk of marriages made in Heaven, the longest way around was the shortest way home and maybe he was pulling one back for Bernard Brogan Snr stealing one of ours, and going on to produce what are affectionately known as 'The Kerry Blues'.
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Post by Deise Exile on Feb 23, 2015 22:38:04 GMT
Looking forward to this, great to be heading to the Kingdom again and to be playing the All-I champions. Phoney war doesn't really explain it, it's a league game, it's a rivalry, and based on the last few years, it's an enigma. For example, 2012, phoney win for Kerry. 2014, default win for Dublin but not a good performance; 2013 Kerry team failed to make it to the game at all (some rugby match on at the same time?), and we still only won by 10. How do you figure that? This year Kerry are post All-I but I don't expect this to be 2012 in reverse, I think Kerry, first game apart, are hitting the ground running a bit more than many All-I champions have been in recent years. I think they are relatively fresh and hungry. And they have made a poor start to the league the last 2 or 3 years so they will want to be comfortable before the last game or two. So who knows? As regards where Dublin are at I think all the talk of the strong squad serves to cover over the fact that no team can manage without certain key players. In 2012 Al Brogan was a big loss. Last year No Cullen, no Brennan, no Bastick against Donegal and McCauley's & COS's form dipped. These are/were the main leaders on the team, along with Cluxton, BBrogan, Connolly. This year Cullen is gone, Al Brogan is doubtful and may be a finished docket. Bastick in his final year I'd say. Kerry would have beaten Dublin all ends up in the All-I final last year, would have scored 5 goals easily. Is Gavin ruthless enough? Time will tell, this year's championship will define how he will be seen in total. Does he want to kill to win? How does he/the team deal with situations where key players are missing? Kerry-Dublin league final would be nice. Good post. Kerry-Dublin League Final in Killarney would be even nicer I agree, great Post Rashers. I sense your 5 goals jibe was tongue in Cheek! I too feel Kerry would have beaten Dublin
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Post by kerrygold on Feb 24, 2015 9:04:59 GMT
Storied old Kerry-Dublin rivalry set for latest chapter in Killarney Injured Kingdom ace James O’Donoghue sorry to be missing latest clash with Dubs
Sean Moran
Tue, Feb 24, 2015, 01:15
The Allianz Football League swings back into action next weekend after a three-week break. This return is marked by a renewal in Killarney on Sunday of the frequently fascinating Kerry-Dublin rivalry. For the fourth time in the past six years this league fixture will feature the All-Ireland champions, who have been beaten twice in that sequence – Kerry in 2010 and Dublin two years later. Halfway through this decade, Dublin have built their strongest record in the fixture for decades. In 2010, the county hadn’t beaten Kerry away for 28 years and hadn’t beaten them at all since 1998. The impact of that change was quickly felt as a year later Dublin recorded a first championship win over their rivals in 34 years, in the 2011 All-Ireland final. It was also the match in which a number of the players who would backbone that successful Dublin team made their first appearance At this stage, Kerry have won just one of the last six league meetings with Dublin and that came three years ago, months after the 2011 All-Ireland, before the best crowd (45,836) to have attended Dublin’s spring series over the past six years. One of the livelier Kerry performers that night was James O’Donoghue, who a year later had received his first All Star award and is currently Footballer of the Year after spearheading last year’s All-Ireland win. Shoulder surgery At present he is recovering from shoulder surgery last November and won’t be available until the end of the league and certainly not on Sunday in Fitzgerald Stadium. He’ll be missed. During his transformative 2013 season, the keynote performance came in the epic All-Ireland semi-final against Dublin when he scored 2-3, 1-3 from play. Still he’s looking forward to the encounter, as an indicator of where the counties stand, their championship status realigned after Kerry’s heroics last year. “You’d have to think that Kerry and Dublin are going to be two heavyweights most years,” he says. “You’re always looking forward to a Kerry-Dublin fixture. Whether you’re looking forward to having a crack off them or not you’re just looking forward to the fixture – two good teams; open, attacking, excellent players on both teams. “You love those games. I’m sure they’re going to be really entertaining hard-fought games. It doesn’t matter who is the reigning champions or not. I’m sure it will be the same in Killarney.” The counties were expected to meet in last year’s All-Ireland final. That expectation lasted less than 24 hours, as the day after Kerry’s semi-final replay defeat of Mayo, Dublin were sensationally deposed by Donegal. The irony of it is that Donegal prompted much soul searching in both counties - after the semi-final because Dublin had ploughed ahead with the open, offensive game plan and after the final because Kerry had fought systemic fire with fire. The difference was that Kerry won, as O’Donoghue explains. “Last year we approached every game different. We looked at the Dublin-Donegal game. If we played the same way Dublin did, Donegal would have beaten us. We’re going to line up to win the game.” He knows all about it, as his natural attacking game was sacrificed, effectively as a decoy to occupy Neil McGee. He was fascinated by the tactical challenge but has sympathy for the old Kerry imperative to win in a certain way. “I’d be a big man for winning with a bit of style, with a bit of grace. I know the All-Ireland was poor this year, the final wasn’t great, but the way it is, two teams are going to go at the game differently. It just happened to be in the final this year. It was a more defensive game. “But that is interesting to watch for people as well. They can take different things out of the game. It’s not all about 15 fellas going forward, 15 fellas going back. I enjoyed the tactical battle in the All-Ireland final last year. It wasn’t the most enjoyable game to play in. Hopefully this year will be a bit more open.”
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Post by themanhimself on Feb 24, 2015 15:45:36 GMT
We'll have a craic at naming the team I spose
1. Brendan Kealy Kilcummin
2. Paul Murphy Rathmore
3. Mark Griffin St Michaels/Foilmore
4. Shane Enright Tarbert
5. Jonathan Lyne Killarney Legion
6. Fionn Fitzgerald Dr Crokes
7. Jack Sherwood Firies
8. David Moran Kerins O’Rahillys
9. Anthony Maher Duagh
10. Michael Geaney Dingle or Tommy Walsh (I can't decide)
11. Bryan Sheehan St Marys
12. Johnny Buckley Dr Crokes
13. Paul Geaney Dingle
14. Kieran Donaghy Austin Stacks
15. Barry John Keane Kerins O’Rahillys
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Post by kerrygold on Feb 24, 2015 16:02:58 GMT
We'll have a craic at naming the team I spose 1. Brendan Kealy Kilcummin 2. Paul Murphy Rathmore 3. Mark Griffin St Michaels/Foilmore 4. Shane Enright Tarbert 5. Jonathan Lyne Killarney Legion 6. Fionn Fitzgerald Dr Crokes 7. Jack Sherwood Firies 8. David Moran Kerins O’Rahillys 9. Anthony Maher Duagh 10. Michael Geaney Dingle or Tommy Walsh (I can't decide) 11. Bryan Sheehan St Marys 12. Johnny Buckley Dr Crokes 13. Paul Geaney Dingle 14. Kieran Donaghy Austin Stacks 15. Barry John Keane Kerins O’Rahillys Strong looking team although Paul Geaney doesn't look fit to play judging from last weekend's college games.
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Post by Seoirse Ui Duic on Feb 24, 2015 16:53:21 GMT
Bearing in mind some possible injuries. 1.Brendan Kealy 2. Pa Kilkenny 3. Mark Griffin 4. Fionn Fitzgerald 5. Jonathan Lyne 6. Jack Sherwood 7. Paul Murphy 8. David Moran 9. Anthony Maher 10. Michael Geaney 11. Bryan Sheehan 12. Johnny Buckley 13. Stephen O’Brien 14. Paul Geaney 15. Barry John Keane
16. Shane Murphy 17. Kieran O’Leary 18. Philip O’Connor 19. Alan Fitzgerald 20. Jack McGuire 21. Shane Enright 22. Tommy Walsh 23. Killian Young 24. Donnchadh Walsh 25. Padraig O’Connor 26. Thomas Hickey 27. DaithI Casey 28. Kieran Donaghy
If Paul Geaney is not 100% fit, I would expect Tommy Walsh or Kieran Donaghy to go into the full forward spot. As it is the league I would expect Kilkenny to be given another chance. He has the potential and needs a few games at this level to show what he can do. If having another bad game I would expect Paul Murphy to take his spot in the corner and Enright to come on. I hope Shane Murphy, Philip O'Connor, Alan Fitzgerald and Jack McGuire get some gametime as I believe now is the time to try them out. I can't see Dublin bringing their strongest team either and trying a few more players so that will give Kerry a chance to blood a few more as well.
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Post by Deise Exile on Feb 24, 2015 20:32:11 GMT
mind some possible injuries. 1.Brendan Kealy 2. Pa Kilkenny 3. Mark Griffin 4. Fionn Fitzgerald 5. Jonathan Lyne 6. Jack Sherwood 7. Paul Murphy 8. David Moran 9. Anthony Maher 10. Michael Geaney 11. Bryan Sheehan 12. Johnny Buckley 13. Stephen O’Brien 14. Kieran Donaghy 15. Shane O'Callaghan
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keane
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Post by keane on Feb 24, 2015 21:04:17 GMT
Shane O'Callaghan considered a county standard player by many?
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