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Post by MrRasherstoyou on May 9, 2015 14:22:14 GMT
Dublin team make their way to Hill 16 in 2006 after Mayo choose to warm-up in front of it. Photograph: Inpho It is coming up on nine summers since the footballers of Mayo attempted an impromptu eviction of Dublin’s sense of comfort in Croke Park by running out towards Hill 16 and then refusing to leave when the city team duly appeared. As it transpired, the insurrection was hastily masterminded by David Brady, the William Wallace to that generation of Mayo footballers. The plan was hatched in the dressing room minutes – if not mere seconds – before the Westerners took to the field. A discussion began as to whether they should turn right or left and do as all country teams do and leave the Hill to the Dubs. Reports are mixed as to whether Brady told his team mates, “Your heart is free. Have the courage to follow it.” But witnesses and inadvertent participants of the so-called Mill at the Hill are in uniform agreement that he declared: “No, * it. Let’s go down that side.” So they did. What followed was five minutes of the kind of outright anarchy capable of giving the GAA top brass hot sweats in a snowstorm and which is quickly condemned as “disgraceful” and “unacceptable” and which absolutely thrills and scandalises the rest of the country. The Dublin team made for their sacred patch linking arms and slow marching, as if they had just landed back from a civil rights march in segregation-era Alabama. And then both squads attempted to warm up into the same goal, with predictable confusion, buffeting, angry words, casualties and howls of outrage/uncontainable glee coming from the stands – particularly the affronted citizens of the Hill. Order was restored, a great game broke out; the Dubs went nine points clear in the second half and Mayo engineered one of their very greatest escape acts which concluded in Kieran McDonald’s deathless, exquisite point into the same Hill where all the trouble had begun. Bizarre conflagration The episode was just that: one of those bizarre conflagrations which make the GAA – bless its passionate soul -– that bit different. And it also addressed a question taken up by Pat Flanagan in a more reasoned way this week. The Offaly manager broke a gentleman’s agreement by actually coming out and speaking his mind at an official championship launch this week, mildly protesting at the fact that the Dubs get to play all of their games in Croke Park. He made the point that it is not a “fair competition” any more. Over the past decade, the Dubs have made such a wasteland of the Leinster championship that the idea of them not winning a provincial championship match in Croke Park has become inconceivable. Jim Gavin, the current Dublin manager, has stated that he would be happy to bring his team to any venue to play a championship match. You can bet he means that. The Dubs have amply demonstrated in the league that they are well able to mix it and tap into their “A” game on away games and the Dubs’ winter support is the crowd that makes the league: they show up, they make noise and they go home happy. But the thought of Dublin arriving in a packed and hostile Mullingar or Navan or Newbridge for a Leinster championship knock-out makes what has become a lopsided competition much more appealing than if played in the neutral venue. The issue as to whether Croke Park is a home venue for Dublin has gone beyond a joke. In theory, maybe not. But try convincing a Monaghan team or a Roscommon team, say, huddled in their dressing room minutes before an All-Ireland final and hearing the earth tremble above them with the roar that greets the arrival of the sky blue team onto the field. When any team plays Dublin in Croke Park, they are far from home. The only other county harbouring notions that Croke Park can be “theirs” when they play Dublin is Kerry. Mayo’s impromptu coup in 2006 was an attempt to disrupt that sense of place and belonging. If Croke Park is truly a neutral venue, then any team should have the right to warm up in front of the Hill – and supporters from other counties should have the same access to tickets to that area of the ground. It is daft to pretend that any Dublin football player or supporter doesn’t consider Croke Park to be his or her local stadium. No, Croke Park is as much a part of Dublin football lore as the Nou Camp is to Barcelona or the Hinkle Fieldhouse to Indiana basketball. They just belong together. Playing the Dubs in Croke Park is one of the definitive experiences in the lifespan of any inter-county footballer. It is special. But must they play every championship game there? The argument is that they are such a big attraction that Croke Park is the obvious venue. From a financial perspective, the logic here is unimpeachable. The Dubs bring a crowd, even for games which they are heavily favoured to win. Yet for how long more? It is not Dublin’s fault that the coaching work and strategic and financial investment at club level is now reflected in the return of nine out of the last 10 provincial championships, a staggering achievement. There is nothing to suggest that streak will end anytime soon. That domination is not good for the wellbeing of other counties – and for general interest in the game. Heavyweight match Next Sunday, Tyrone must go into Ballybofey to play Donegal in the first real heavyweight match of the All-Ireland championship. They would rather be playing in Omagh or Clones or Croke Park, but they have no choice because that is the draw. That principle should apply across the board. So if Dublin are drawn away to play the winners of Offaly and Longford, the arbitrary nature of the draw should be honoured. It would serve to end the lingering sense of unfairness that exists. And it would give Dublin the chance to illustrate what is increasingly clear anyhow: that regardless of where they warm up or what town they play in, they are an exceptionally difficult team to beat. In the never-ending acres of newsprint and hot air about this issue over the past number of years, I've yet to see an article or opinion that includes the full, uncomfortable facts that have maintained the situation as it is. Namely that these other counties that are so disadvantaged by it are the ones voting for it to remain! Let's look back at how this came about, or evolved: Prior to this situation other counties were frequently calling for their games to be moved to Croker in order to have experience of playing there, and because of the better facilities etc. This became a major shift once the new stadium was finished. Some counties due to play Dublin also opted for the game to be moved to Croker because all during that time many other counties were performing and achieving there when playing against Dublin. I remember it well. Meath had a great record against us, Kildare prior to 2002 had got on top. Then Laois and Westmeath beat us there. In the 90s DOnegal, as huge underdogs, won their first ever All-I final there, and Derry won in a semi-final. In 2002 Armagh won the semi-final having been underdogs, and Tyrone won the Qtr final in 2005. In the 1995 final Tyrone, who had never won an All-I, certainly didn't underperform in unluckily losing the final against us. Cork had also gained the upper hand there, winning 2 of the 3 previous championship meetings between the sides prior to 2013. And Mayo won on both occasions prior to 2013. So this idea of the advantage, when multiple teams, not just Kerry, had come to Croker and produced their best game and won, or only narrowly lost, clearly did not exist. But once the Dublin team stopped being the lovable losers, the glamour attraction that many others wanted to see play in the big games, as long as they didn't have the cheek to start winning the biggest competitions, well then we started to hear this cry about how unfair it all was. But there's more. One of the most uncomfortable and not to be mentioned facts about this whole campaign to make things "fairer" in Leinster is that any time a game involving Dublin footballers was brought to a small venue in the 90s and especially the start of the new millenium, there was an increasing outcry about the safety of managing crowds. This was part of a greater "safety" drive then grew into the campaign that resulted in the fence being re-instated in front of The Hill. The GAC had clearly decided at some stage, perhaps in large part due to the developing interest in hosting other sports events, other events, and potentially major competitions, that they wanted everything to be as controlled as possible, and minimise any incidents that could jeopardise their chances. Now I've been consistently calling for home-and-away arrangements to be re-introduced for our Leinster games. That would mean quarter finals. Since the late 90s Semi-finals were slated for Croker only too, so that would have to be changed as well. Except, due to the open draw, where a major tie was drawn from the hat, such as, up til very recently, Dublin-Kildare, and still to a large extent (though dwindling eventually), Meath-Dublin. Perhaps any Div 3 or 4 teams should always have a home game against the best team(s) in Leinster. So one, possibly two games, possibly only every 2nd year, could be out of Croker. Up to now qualifiers (only happened 4 times so far) have been moved around anyway, so no "advantage" there. Then what to do with Qtr finals? Games that will often attract over 60,000? The first one between Kerry & Dublin was, I felt, a huge success in Thurles. Killarney is smaller, it would be great if it was feasible. PUC would be great, if and when it's possible. These of course are only really options for Dublin Vs Munster teams (ie Kerry or Cork). I'd be willing to bet any money that no matter what the rule was or the offer, that Kerry and most likely Cork will still opt to play Dublin in Croker in an All-I Qtr, or even in a qualifier. Sad but true. It's hard to see a logic for say, Mayo-Dublin or Galway or Roscommon in an All-I qtr final being played in Dr. Hyde etc, in front of 30,000 but if that was deemed to be what those counties wanted then, why not? Money can't always be the overriding factor. Same goes for Clones. But up to now the relevant counties have always opted for Croker.................the outcry about "all their games in Croker" is more about having your cake and eating it. In reality only one, maybe two games in a given year will ever be outside Croker. It may chamge a bit if the new Cork stadium is completed, or Killarney extended. Much more likely is that when the current Dublin team declines, as it will much sooner rather than later, regardless of underrage talent, most of this will be forgotten.
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Post by Mickmack on May 9, 2015 14:52:41 GMT
That's all fine but it gives the Dubs an advantage.
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Post by MrRasherstoyou on May 9, 2015 17:09:50 GMT
That's all fine but it gives the Dubs an advantage. Good to see WUMick back to his best
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Post by Mickmack on May 9, 2015 17:39:04 GMT
Playing the man and not the ball again I see.
If you could have come up with any points to show that Dublin don't have an advantage by being given all home games you would have done so.
Imagine the Waterford footballers being told by the GAA that all games v Kerry must be played in Killarney because Kerry has a bigger population and therefore more supporters. Leitrim would never have a home game!
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Post by donegalman on May 9, 2015 19:56:12 GMT
Are some people really advocating that more successful teams be handicapped in some way ? This is nuts. "the current system sorta ensures that one of the usual suspects will win the AI every year" (Dermot). So what? One of the "usual suspects" wins in most sports every year. That's the nature of sport. How many different teams win the World Cup, the Rugby World Cup, the Premiership ? - fewer than win the AI , that's for sure. The back-door does not reinforce this, nor was it intended to. In fact, if anything there's been a greater spread of winners since it's inception, though this is probably coincidental . The backdoor was designed (and with the weaker teams in mind) to ensure at least more than one game for everyone, nothing else. It does this, and it's good. I dont t hink it is a case of success being punished. It is more a case of giving an incentive to teams down the order to have a longer run in the championship. Look I would be shooting myself in the foot as a donegal supporter by suggesting this, but I see how it is good for the game in the long run. The American football competition is benefited by negative handicapping in financial terms every year. The lowest finishing side gets the most money the following year and the converse is the case for the top side. This is reflected in the number of different superbowl finalists every year.
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Post by fitz on May 9, 2015 20:23:13 GMT
League is meaningless. Provincial c'ship devalued. I reckon just have an open draw. Each match played home and away with aggregate score winning. Round of 32, 16, QFs, 2 games in each. Then a single match for SF and final. Everyone gets 2 games minimum, and everyone gets at least a home game. No seeding. So for example Dublin meet Mayo in first round, with Kerry v Donegal. There's 2 big teams gone already. At least the draw might favour lesser teams, so we could have the odd year like we see in the FA cup with 2 or 3 lesser teams in the semis. Also, the dates are set in stone, so club football can be scheduled around county games, and it gives fans enough time to plan their trips, instead of 2 or 3 days notice like it is now. Also what is lacking in the GAA is these super sunday type days. Imagine a full day of action, Kerry v Mayo, Dublin v Tyrone, Donegal v Cork etc instead of the c'ship starting NY v Leitrim or the likes. A very good point. An Achilles is you could have a bum final which would be a killer blow to the format, in fact you could have a lot of mismatches and arguably have the best games in the earlier rounds. With the league being the poor cousin it could completely fall flat. With current format almost always the best teams arrive in September. On the Dublin home games. Woolly made a pretty impassioned point last night on Newstalk I found was tough to argue with. Summarised - The focus on accommodating fans superceded the interests of the teams in winning the match - the game is about the players first and foremost and each team should have the right to hold a home fixture if drawn. - Basically if thousands don't get to see the game, so what. I agree with this. Fans in all sports are often disappointed. It's a fact of life unfortunately. I'll openly acknowledge the hypocrisy of the next point given I wasn't making it 6-7 years ago. Because the Dublin team is so strong it just makes unfairness from a playing perspective of all Dublin games in Croke Park stark. I don't think it helps the Dublin team one bit either, they are getting no test albeit continually re-engaging with the sacred sod. Dublin will arrive in August bank holiday in cruise control again. Playing even one awkward Leinster tie in a tight ground with something other than lavish praise from the onlookers would be far more helpful to them in trying to win Sam. The Laois game v Dublin last year if played in Laois given Laois' better than all others performance might have been quite tasty if they played like they did in Croker for 55-60 mins. Belief would have been easier currency to grip with at least equal auditorium representation of their own fans. This type of situation when a home draw against Dublin occurs makes real sense and provides demonstrable playing fairness.
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Post by MrRasherstoyou on May 9, 2015 20:40:20 GMT
Playing the man and not the ball again I see. If you could have come up with any points to show that Dublin don't have an advantage by being given all home games you would have done so. Imagine the Waterford footballers being told by the GAA that all games v Kerry must be played in Killarney because Kerry has a bigger population and therefore more supporters. Leitrim would never have a home game! I could come on here all day and post one-liners to get a reaction, or post repetitive provocative articles to get a reaction. It takes effort to post opinions and back them up with evidence, in detail
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Post by Mickmack on May 9, 2015 21:57:55 GMT
rashers
In one of your post you stated; Competitions have to be the same rules for all, within reason.
The article in todays Times makes the valid point that the GAAs decision to give Dublin all its championship games in Croke Park is not fair.
You seem unable to acknowledge this bias in favour of Dublin. That's your prerogative.
However, you should perhaps refrain from arguing that competitions have to have the same rules for all.
The GAA took this bias to ridiculous levels in 2014 when they replayed the Mayo v Kerry six days after the drawn game so that Croker would free for the Dubs just in caae they drew their semi final.
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Post by MrRasherstoyou on May 9, 2015 23:08:25 GMT
You know the real reasons Mick, but you choose to avoid mentioning them in favour of your angle. I've stated above in detail why I don't agree, your response is just to restate your angle in short, and intimating that because the Times article says it it must be so. That's your prerogative. Perhaps if you addressed in equal effort the points I made there would actually be a discussion, or even an argument, and not merely tedious gainsaying and skewing of facts.
As to your added in side-step piece, further skewing the original angle, lots of teams have played replays a week after a drawn game. And if the other semi had been drawn, where and when would that have been played, had the Kerry-Mayo replay been held in Croke Park? But you know all this. Wind-ups are great gas altogether.
Kerry must be the first county in history to have complained so bitterly about being allocated to play a game in a stadium not only much closer to their county than the usual venue but also much closer than it was for the opposition, and try to make it sound somehow like a disadvantage.
Alot of cake going around in your posts lately Mick.
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Post by Mickmack on May 9, 2015 23:48:40 GMT
League is meaningless. Provincial c'ship devalued. I reckon just have an open draw. Each match played home and away with aggregate score winning. Round of 32, 16, QFs, 2 games in each. Then a single match for SF and final. Everyone gets 2 games minimum, and everyone gets at least a home game. No seeding. So for example Dublin meet Mayo in first round, with Kerry v Donegal. There's 2 big teams gone already. At least the draw might favour lesser teams, so we could have the odd year like we see in the FA cup with 2 or 3 lesser teams in the semis. Also, the dates are set in stone, so club football can be scheduled around county games, and it gives fans enough time to plan their trips, instead of 2 or 3 days notice like it is now. Also what is lacking in the GAA is these super sunday type days. Imagine a full day of action, Kerry v Mayo, Dublin v Tyrone, Donegal v Cork etc instead of the c'ship starting NY v Leitrim or the likes. A very good point. An Achilles is you could have a bum final which would be a killer blow to the format, in fact you could have a lot of mismatches and arguably have the best games in the earlier rounds. With the league being the poor cousin it could completely fall flat. With current format almost always the best teams arrive in September. On the Dublin home games. Woolly made a pretty impassioned point last night on Newstalk I found was tough to argue with. Summarised - The focus on accommodating fans superceded the interests of the teams in winning the match - the game is about the players first and foremost and each team should have the right to hold a home fixture if drawn. - Basically if thousands don't get to see the game, so what. I agree with this. Fans in all sports are often disappointed. It's a fact of life unfortunately. I'll openly acknowledge the hypocrisy of the next point given I wasn't making it 6-7 years ago. Because the Dublin team is so strong it just makes unfairness from a playing perspective of all Dublin games in Croke Park stark. I don't think it helps the Dublin team one bit either, they are getting no test albeit continually re-engaging with the sacred sod. Dublin will arrive in August bank holiday in cruise control again. Playing even one awkward Leinster tie in a tight ground with something other than lavish praise from the onlookers would be far more helpful to them in trying to win Sam. The Laois game v Dublin last year if played in Laois given Laois' better than all others performance might have been quite tasty if they played like they did in Croker for 55-60 mins. Belief would have been easier currency to grip with at least equal auditorium representation of their own fans. This type of situation when a home draw against Dublin occurs makes real sense and provides demonstrable playing fairness. I agree.
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Post by Ard Mhacha on May 10, 2015 0:09:10 GMT
A very good point. An Achilles is you could have a bum final which would be a killer blow to the format, in fact you could have a lot of mismatches and arguably have the best games in the earlier rounds. With the league being the poor cousin it could completely fall flat. With current format almost always the best teams arrive in September. On the Dublin home games. Woolly made a pretty impassioned point last night on Newstalk I found was tough to argue with. Summarised - The focus on accommodating fans superceded the interests of the teams in winning the match - the game is about the players first and foremost and each team should have the right to hold a home fixture if drawn. - Basically if thousands don't get to see the game, so what. I agree with this. Fans in all sports are often disappointed. It's a fact of life unfortunately. I'll openly acknowledge the hypocrisy of the next point given I wasn't making it 6-7 years ago. Because the Dublin team is so strong it just makes unfairness from a playing perspective of all Dublin games in Croke Park stark. I don't think it helps the Dublin team one bit either, they are getting no test albeit continually re-engaging with the sacred sod. Dublin will arrive in August bank holiday in cruise control again. Playing even one awkward Leinster tie in a tight ground with something other than lavish praise from the onlookers would be far more helpful to them in trying to win Sam. The Laois game v Dublin last year if played in Laois given Laois' better than all others performance might have been quite tasty if they played like they did in Croker for 55-60 mins. Belief would have been easier currency to grip with at least equal auditorium representation of their own fans. This type of situation when a home draw against Dublin occurs makes real sense and provides demonstrable playing fairness. What's your idea of a bum final? One that doesn't consist of two of the bigger teams? There probably would be a few mismatches but no more than is the case now. I agree re: bigger stadiums hosting matches. If more matches were moved to the provinces biggest ground to accommodate more fans, I'd never be out of thon God-forsaken kip that is Clones. I think every ground equally needs it's matchday, as does the towns financially.
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Post by skybluezone on May 10, 2015 8:00:47 GMT
A huge amount of airtime being devoted to this by some posters. To add my tuppenceworth: I largely agree with Rashers post (I would says ye!), but he describes it much more articulately than me. The main one being that if the current Dubs team were significantly weaker and teams fancied their chances in Croker then the silence would be deafening.
When you strip all the nonsense away, we are talking about a Leinster qf played outside of Croke Park, involving the Dubs, every second year. Now compare that point to the amount of airtime being devoted to this issue on national airwaves, does this get lost in the "Dubs out of Croke Park" debate.
Last and most critical point, theGAA is a democracy, so why do the counties that are negatively affected in the sporting sense keep voting to play on CP. That issue is out of Dublins hands and is where the ire should be directed. Pat Flanagan and other managers in Leinster should be having this debate with their respective county chairmen. And that's one I'd pay money to listen to.
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Post by southward on May 10, 2015 10:19:38 GMT
For me, it isn't about where Dublin play Leinster championship games. Let's face it, Dubs v Carlow or whoever is a no-contest, whether it's home, away or on the moon.
The real issue, I think, is a team having home advantage for every game that matters i.e. August onwards. Now there's no argument with playing the AI final at Croker, that's a given, but there should be a level playing field for other games. Semis should always be at neutral venues. Q/Fs should be either neutral or, better still, choice of venue to provincial winners (and if, as is likely, that includes the Dubs, well and good).
Plenty of good grounds about to hold these games and so what if every supporter can't be accommodated - not everyone gets a ticket for the final either.
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Post by Annascaultilidie on May 10, 2015 10:29:03 GMT
I think while Rashers might extend on the point more, it is SBZ who presents the true situation.
In Leinster it is the LC's fault. No need to put the SFs outside Croke Park and no player would want that.
Perhaps the QF should be played in the province of the Provincial winner --- again Dublin at the moment will be the provincial winners so will have home advantage then.
There will always be teams with advantages over others - but such is life.
By this logic we should limit the number of adult players in Dublin as it is such an advantage.
My finger is pointed at the LC who are not Dublin GAA and are not HQ.
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Post by MrRasherstoyou on May 10, 2015 10:33:35 GMT
League is meaningless. Provincial c'ship devalued. I reckon just have an open draw. Each match played home and away with aggregate score winning. Round of 32, 16, QFs, 2 games in each. Then a single match for SF and final. Everyone gets 2 games minimum, and everyone gets at least a home game. No seeding. So for example Dublin meet Mayo in first round, with Kerry v Donegal. There's 2 big teams gone already. At least the draw might favour lesser teams, so we could have the odd year like we see in the FA cup with 2 or 3 lesser teams in the semis. Also, the dates are set in stone, so club football can be scheduled around county games, and it gives fans enough time to plan their trips, instead of 2 or 3 days notice like it is now. Also what is lacking in the GAA is these super sunday type days. Imagine a full day of action, Kerry v Mayo, Dublin v Tyrone, Donegal v Cork etc instead of the c'ship starting NY v Leitrim or the likes. A very good point. An Achilles is you could have a bum final which would be a killer blow to the format, in fact you could have a lot of mismatches and arguably have the best games in the earlier rounds. With the league being the poor cousin it could completely fall flat. With current format almost always the best teams arrive in September. On the Dublin home games. Woolly made a pretty impassioned point last night on Newstalk I found was tough to argue with. Summarised - The focus on accommodating fans superceded the interests of the teams in winning the match - the game is about the players first and foremost and each team should have the right to hold a home fixture if drawn. - Basically if thousands don't get to see the game, so what. I agree with this. Fans in all sports are often disappointed. It's a fact of life unfortunately. I'll openly acknowledge the hypocrisy of the next point given I wasn't making it 6-7 years ago. Because the Dublin team is so strong it just makes unfairness from a playing perspective of all Dublin games in Croke Park stark. I don't think it helps the Dublin team one bit either, they are getting no test albeit continually re-engaging with the sacred sod. Dublin will arrive in August bank holiday in cruise control again. Playing even one awkward Leinster tie in a tight ground with something other than lavish praise from the onlookers would be far more helpful to them in trying to win Sam. The Laois game v Dublin last year if played in Laois given Laois' better than all others performance might have been quite tasty if they played like they did in Croker for 55-60 mins. Belief would have been easier currency to grip with at least equal auditorium representation of their own fans. This type of situation when a home draw against Dublin occurs makes real sense and provides demonstrable playing fairness. It was probably shown many times over in the previous decade that teams coming fresh into Croke Park for the big occasion, and we're talking about the better teams here, often produce their best. For teams like Offaly, Laois, Longford etc it's a different story, and it would make alot more sense, from the point of view of the game itself, in the short term, to play the strongest sides on their home turf. That said, in the longer term, playing the best teams in Croker does more to promote a county improving and producing their best than an occasional big effort for a home game. Last year both Laois and Wexford played well for 55 minutes. They know what they need to do to keep it going longer - they need more resources, more intense training etc. They wouldn't have learned that from having a big day in their home ground, they might as so often be fooled by all the false praise. From the supporters point of view, and especially from the neutrals point of view, having more of these David/Goliath games in the home ground of David is a no-brainer. Atmosphere, occasion, people getting together in a town, income into thee town, and a better chance of a passionate contest.
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Post by Mickmack on May 10, 2015 11:29:01 GMT
Re the Dubs in Croker issue..... I don't give a fiddlers about recent history or ancient history as to why Dublin get preferential treatment or who is making the decision.
The basic point is that they do.
Its just one example of a skewed competition.
And its a bit rich for Dub fans to take the high moral ground by saying that competitions have to have the same rules for all.
Going back to my original suggestion.... not giving a back door route to three recent winners might tip the scales in favour of a team trying to make a breakthrough and who has to overcome what are rapidly becoming insurmountable odds.
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Post by givehimaball on May 10, 2015 11:58:36 GMT
Kerry have lost just 8 championship games played in Kerry since 1928.
Imagine how many more All-Irelands Kerry would have if all finals were split between Tralee and Killarney?
Pretty sure that there were 2 lost to issues with travelling in the early years as well.
and the one time an All-Ireland was played in Kerry it was the hurling - you couldnt make it up
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Post by Mickmack on May 10, 2015 12:00:40 GMT
Dublin beat Kerry in an All Ireland semi final played in Tralee in the 30s
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Post by donegalman on May 10, 2015 13:48:55 GMT
I didnt realize that playing football in croke park against dublin was such a big issue for some kerry supporters. It was never an issue in the past. I am not sure how the gaa could be expected to have an all ireland final with dublin in it in a stadium with a capacity of 40000 people. If it is an unfair advantage, then I am not sure that there is an alternative except to build an 80000 stadium in athlone. Then what would we do with croke park?
I love going to watch dublin in croke park when we are playing them, it is a real event.
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Post by Mickmack on May 10, 2015 13:54:17 GMT
I didnt realize that playing football in croke park against dublin was such a big issue for some kerry supporters. It was never an issue in the past. I am not sure how the gaa could be expected to have an all ireland final with dublin in it in a stadium with a capacity of 40000 people. If it is an unfair advantage, then I am not sure that there is an alternative except to build an 80000 stadium in athlone. Then what would we do with croke park? I love going to watch dublin in croke park when we are playing them, it is a real event. where did you get that from. no one said that
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Post by glengael on May 10, 2015 14:08:00 GMT
The League (which this title refers to) is now over. Maybe it's time to close this and move on.
If someone wants to create a thread in the fairness/unfairness of match venues/home advantage for the Championship, go right ahead.....
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Post by Mickmack on May 10, 2015 14:20:11 GMT
The League (which this title refers to) is now over. Maybe it's time to close this and move on. If someone wants to create a thread in the fairness/unfairness of match venues/home advantage for the Championship, go right ahead..... why?
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Post by southward on May 10, 2015 14:24:27 GMT
I didnt realize that playing football in croke park against dublin was such a big issue for some kerry supporters. It was never an issue in the past. I am not sure how the gaa could be expected to have an all ireland final with dublin in it in a stadium with a capacity of 40000 people. If it is an unfair advantage, then I am not sure that there is an alternative except to build an 80000 stadium in athlone. Then what would we do with croke park? I love going to watch dublin in croke park when we are playing them, it is a real event. The issue isn't Dublin playing Kerry in Croker. The issue is Dublin playing everyone in Croker. And no one suggested playing the final anywhere else.
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Post by glengael on May 10, 2015 14:25:22 GMT
Why to which bit, 1. closing the League thread or 2. opening a new one on the fairness/unfairness of venues?
If 1. Because the League is over, even for Non-Kerry teams. If 2. Because there seems to be an appetite for discussion on this. The discussion centres around venues for the championship, not, as far as I can see, venues for Non-Kerry League games, which what this thread is supposed to be about.
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Post by southward on May 10, 2015 14:26:21 GMT
The League (which this title refers to) is now over. Maybe it's time to close this and move on. If someone wants to create a thread in the fairness/unfairness of match venues/home advantage for the Championship, go right ahead..... Bit late for that.
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Post by Mickmack on May 10, 2015 14:27:47 GMT
Why to which bit, 1. closing the League thread or 2. opening a new one on the fairness/unfairness of venues? If 1. Because the League is over, even for Non-Kerry teams. If 2. Because there seems to be an appetite for discussion on this. The discussion centres around venues for the championship, not, as far as I can see, venues for Non-Kerry League games, which what this thread is supposed to be about. and what's wrong with leaving the discussion here.
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Post by givehimaball on May 10, 2015 18:43:46 GMT
Dublin beat Kerry in an All Ireland semi final played in Tralee in the 30s Yup them and cork (7) times are the only sides to beat Kerry in home games since 1928
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Post by seamo on May 10, 2015 18:56:23 GMT
I didnt realize that playing football in croke park against dublin was such a big issue for some kerry supporters. It was never an issue in the past. I am not sure how the gaa could be expected to have an all ireland final with dublin in it in a stadium with a capacity of 40000 people. If it is an unfair advantage, then I am not sure that there is an alternative except to build an 80000 stadium in athlone. Then what would we do with croke park? I love going to watch dublin in croke park when we are playing them, it is a real event. Your comment is based on what? 1 or 2 comments here? Don't tar a whole county based on 1 or 2 posts here. Why would Kerry people have a problem with playing an All-Ireland final v Dublin in Croke Park? Sure didn't we want to play our semi final v Mayo in Croke Park!! Is it really that sacrilegious that Dublin should have to travel for a few Leinster championship games? Nobody expects them to play a Leinster final or AI AF, SF and Final in Croke Park! It would be great if the GAA actually thought a little bit more about growing the game in some of the weaker counties. I am sure that it would be a great boost for kids in Carlow, Longford etc. to have the Brogan's and others rock up to a stadium within their county.
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Post by givehimaball on May 10, 2015 19:00:13 GMT
I didnt realize that playing football in croke park against dublin was such a big issue for some kerry supporters. It was never an issue in the past. I am not sure how the gaa could be expected to have an all ireland final with dublin in it in a stadium with a capacity of 40000 people. If it is an unfair advantage, then I am not sure that there is an alternative except to build an 80000 stadium in athlone. Then what would we do with croke park? I love going to watch dublin in croke park when we are playing them, it is a real event. Your comment is based on what? 1 or 2 comments here? Don't tar a whole county based on 1 or 2 posts here. Why would Kerry people have a problem with playing an All-Ireland final v Dublin in Croke Park? Sure didn't we want to play our semi final v Mayo in Croke Park!! Is it really that sacrilegious that Dublin should have to travel for a few Leinster championship games? Nobody expects them to play a Leinster final or AI AF, SF and Final in Croke Park! It would be great if the GAA actually thought a little bit more about growing the game in some of the weaker counties. I am sure that it would be a great boost for kids in Carlow, Longford etc. to have the Brogan's and others rock up to a stadium within their county. Yeah my comment was tongue in check (well a bit) but you just get a bit sick of the Dubs saying that playing at home isn't that much of an advantage (and nevermind the rot about Parnell Park being their home ground)
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Post by kerrygold on May 10, 2015 22:06:02 GMT
The Spring Series during the Gilroy era, played a huge role in leading the startled earwigs into the light. Dublin enjoy a special privilege and major advantage in Dubs Park no other county enjoys anywhere else.
Bottom line, Dublin wouldn't come down to Killarney to play Kerry in an All-Ireland final. The usual Dublin spin would be rolled out from the Dubs.
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