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Post by misteallaigh abú on Aug 25, 2014 15:03:59 GMT
What a crazy day in Croke Park. At half time we were well in control, a man up and 4 points to the good. We were in control around the middle, which was a pleasant surprise. I thought we would drive on and win it well. However, Mayo went for it in a big way, they had nothing to lose and were brave and ferocious in their approach, a polar opposite of their first half template. Colm Boyle, Aidan O Shea, Cillian O Connor and Donie Vaughan played some outstanding stuff. They pulled 5 clear with 5 to go. Kerry, who backed off Mayo and literally invited them on for much of the second half, then pushed up on Mayo when the game was slipping away from us. The result? 1-2 in 5 minutes of football. Declan and Bryan were a pale shadow of their real selves and didn't contribute as well as they normally do. Star, what a man, he really left his mark on Croke Park as he has done many times in the past, two sublime catches = 1-1. Kieran O Leary showed magairlí to slot over a pressure kick to equalise and BJK won a kick out he never should have. Great to see those lads make an impact on the game. It will do their confidence the world of good. David Moran had a great game and his passing and long range shooting were a pleasure to watch. The sending off of Lee Keegan was nothing short of a joke. It happened just in front of us and we looked on in disbelief as Mr Coldrick flashed the red card. After the game all the talk was of how brilliant Mayo were in that second half. Yes they were excellent, at times, however, I thought they were given a number of frees of the handy variety. Also, regardless of when and where the replay occurs, Mayo will still find it hard to put us away. I had a look at my programme after and according to my calculations we scored 1-15 from play and Mayo scored 0-10 from play. This wasn't mentioned by anyone when analysing the game afterwards. A poster mentioned Kelly's kick outs, I was a bit disappointed with a few of them, right down on top of Aidan O Shea, when he had Enright & Crowley available. I think it was one of Marc's poorest games in the kerry jersey that he has worn with such distinction. Peter Crowley really had a rush of blood to the head for the penalty. One piece of impetuosity nearly cost us the game. I thought David Coldrick was pathetic, he got a lot of calls wrong, not good enough from an alleged top referee. We live to fight another day, we are still in the championship, we will bring it to them again the next day. Looking forward to it in a big way. Agree with most of that post but explain to me how you think the red card was a joke? Lee Keegan kicked an opponent. It was as obvious as the day is long. The rules state that kicking or attempting to kick an opponent is a red card offence. Coldrick was poor but that call was spot on. If Lee Keegan had gotten a yellow card for his action yesterday would anybody in the stadium batted an eyelid? I very much doubt it. Rules should be refereed according to the spirit of the game. This was hardly a cynical, dour, tempestuous affair. Tadhg Kennelly got a yellow for hitting an opponent at the beginning of the '09 final. By the letter of the law, he should have gotten a straight red, the referee took into account the extenuating circumstances involved and issued a yellow. Yesterday, Keegan reacted to being pulled and dragged, wrongly so and the letter of the law was followed and he was issued with a red. The fairest course of action would have been a yellow, in my opinion. He seemed to have no problem bending the rules and not applying the rules to the letter of the law for some of the tackles on Geaney and Donncha Walsh. Nothing is ever black or white on sport, it's up to the man in the middle to use his experience and professional judgement and exercise best practice. If judges operated the same was Mr Coldrick did yesterday, our prisons would be overflowing. Just my opinion.
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Post by Ballyfireside on Aug 25, 2014 15:03:57 GMT
Some of the criticism of Kerry players here is verging on abuse.We are in the All Ireland semi final.We have a county selected management team and they know what to do.They certainly dont wish to have some of their players vilified on their own public form. 'Grain of salt' as we'd say, wiser folk take plenty of no notice, harmless youngsters lettin' off wind to get attention, probably sufferin' from calf love as John B would say!
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Post by misteallaigh abú on Aug 25, 2014 15:05:25 GMT
All I want to say is that "Tom" Carr is some wanker. Why do RTE continually inflict this man upon us?
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Post by Ballyfireside on Aug 25, 2014 15:08:21 GMT
All I want to say is that "Tom" Carr is some w**ker. Any man who tries to put off a free kicker as this jerk did to Maurice Fitz is a no role model and has no place on TV or indeed in the GAA. He is a spent docket and he is classless as a pundit in any event; he knows less than the youngsters on here. I blame those who invite him upon us.
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Post by greengold35 on Aug 25, 2014 15:09:19 GMT
All I want to say is that "Tom" Carr is some w**ker. Watched the replay of the game last night and could not agree more with you! Best bit was the Hawkeye incident- he waited without a comment until the verdict was given- then proceeded to say he was sure it was a point all along! No class- didn't have it as a player ( Remember the National League final of 1993), or manager ( haranguing of Maurice in 2001)- Whelan & Earley streets ahead.
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Post by frenchie on Aug 25, 2014 15:13:26 GMT
Will Kerry be back in the green and gold for Saturday?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 25, 2014 15:57:33 GMT
Agree with most of that post but explain to me how you think the red card was a joke? Lee Keegan kicked an opponent. It was as obvious as the day is long. The rules state that kicking or attempting to kick an opponent is a red card offence. Coldrick was poor but that call was spot on. If Lee Keegan had gotten a yellow card for his action yesterday would anybody in the stadium batted an eyelid? I very much doubt it. Rules should be refereed according to the spirit of the game. This was hardly a cynical, dour, tempestuous affair. Tadhg Kennelly got a yellow for hitting an opponent at the beginning of the '09 final. By the letter of the law, he should have gotten a straight red, the referee took into account the extenuating circumstances involved and issued a yellow. Yesterday, Keegan reacted to being pulled and dragged, wrongly so and the letter of the law was followed and he was issued with a red. The fairest course of action would have been a yellow, in my opinion. He seemed to have no problem bending the rules and not applying the rules to the letter of the law for some of the tackles on Geaney and Donncha Walsh. Nothing is ever black or white on sport, it's up to the man in the middle to use his experience and professional judgement and exercise best practice. If judges operated the same was Mr Coldrick did yesterday, our prisons would be overflowing. Just my opinion. Agree with you on Keegan. If the ref had applied the letter of the law earlier mayo would have had a penalty and a black card would have been shown to Kelly. Coldrick correctly in that instance applied some common sense.
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Post by Jigz84 on Aug 25, 2014 16:02:25 GMT
Will Kerry be back in the green and gold for Saturday? No. Short and sweet.
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Post by misteallaigh abú on Aug 25, 2014 16:35:35 GMT
Has anyone heard what the story is with Stephen O Brien?
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Post by onlykerry on Aug 25, 2014 16:52:31 GMT
Ticket Information:
North Stand (Uncovered) Adults: €30, Juveniles €5
East Terrace (City End) & West Terrace (Clare End): Adult: €20, Juveniles €5
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Post by The16thMan on Aug 25, 2014 16:54:39 GMT
A truly magnificent encounter with both teams going through purple patches of sublime football. We can count ourselves very lucky to be still in the championship after such a lacklustre third quarter. In regards Lee Keegan's sending off I think he was unfortunate to be sent off as there was such minimal contact involved but the rules are the rules and he's unlikely to get it overturned. David Moran was our stand out player for me, he kicked two superb scores from distance and his pass into Star for the goal that ultimately led to the goal was extremely accurate. Why O'Brien came off is a mystery as he was causing all sorts of problems early on and Declan had little or no impact on the game. Same with Mikey Geaney, he had 26 possessions according to the sunday game and he was taken off in the 43rd minute :/. Yet Kieran Donaghy proved to be a player capable of performing on the big day in coming on to set-up 1-1 and he has to be used earlier on Saturday. Mayo to be fair were classy in the second period with Aidan O'Shea, Cillian O'Connor & Colm Boyle standing out for me. Once again the GAA have caused controversy this time with the venue,Limerick can hold a max. of 50,000 while there was 52,000+ there yesterday there will be more wanting to see this one because the venues closer to the two counties, no rail strikes this time and people are expecting another classic like yesterday so you could have a demand of up to 65-70 thousand tickets. So to choose the Gaelic Grounds as a venue is a ludicrous decision from the GAA. Croke park is HQ for a reason, and also hawkeye was brought into play yesterday and that facility won't be available in Limerick which means a poor decision from an official could cost a team their place in the final. To me its an awful shame that what should be an enthralling spectacle won't be played in Croke Park but I expect Kerry to finish the job as they have finally got the tough game they needed and it'll stand to them. Oh and by the way it's been confirmed that TSG will air the game from 4:40
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Post by ballynamona on Aug 25, 2014 17:03:03 GMT
Was fantastic to see David Moran perform so well. Hopefully this man can stay injury free and nail down the jersey.
I personally thought Anthony Maher was disappointing, I don't think he was at the level he needs to be.
JO'D is some man. Scored 1-3 despite being tightly marked.
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Post by ballynamona on Aug 25, 2014 17:07:29 GMT
One thing Kerry need to improve on (and a week is not enough time) is on turnovers. I feel it is one aspect of the modern game Kerry have never got to grips with 100%.
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Post by keane on Aug 25, 2014 17:08:12 GMT
Has anyone heard what the story is with Stephen O Brien? Fitzmaurice mentioned something about a quad injury apparently. I don't have a link but I don't doubt the person who told me.
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Post by kerrygold on Aug 25, 2014 17:13:00 GMT
Just got a chance now to watch TSG highlights - feel a lot better already! Will try and watch the full game later. Kerry still have a mountain to climb in the replay, Mayo will possibly take more from the drawn game.
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Post by KY50 on Aug 25, 2014 17:19:57 GMT
All of the advantages appear to be with Mayo for the replay, smaller pitch will suit the more physical team,we currently have more injuries, Mayo's intensity was higher - number of tackles made etc.As Kerrygold has said Mayo will take more from the drawn game. What is the weather forecast for Saturday like ?
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Post by Glaschu Gael on Aug 25, 2014 17:30:46 GMT
Weather Channel saying its showers for Saturday
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Post by Ballyfireside on Aug 25, 2014 18:10:46 GMT
Dara Ó Cinnéide on Terrace Talk thinks Kerry will come on for a drawn game and having tipped Mayo he now thinks Kerry will do it.
I'm outa my mind with us not being so positive enough about a team that WILL win Sam No 37 in '14. I think people who live in the county and which may be the majority, take too much for granted and hence don't fully appreciate the Kerry edge, and that other counties often fear.
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Post by seamo on Aug 25, 2014 18:38:12 GMT
Heard someone say yesterday that if Cluxton was in goals for Kerry in the second half we would have won by seven or eight points. Mayo fan beside me turned to me half way through the second half and said "What is actually wrong with your goalkeeper?". The kickouts in the second half really ought to have lost us the game. Kelly has had a decent year but will need to look hard at the tape this week and figure out where he went wrong. If Cluxton was in goals for Kerry yesterday we would have conceded 3 goals instead of 1!!!!
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Post by seamo on Aug 25, 2014 18:41:59 GMT
What did he say this time? I heard the commentary on TSG last night. When we dispossessed the Mayo defender late on to allow JOD's chance which hit the post, he shouted over the commentator, "that's a foul...a foul" when Donnaghy knocked the ball forward. He's just a terrible guy to have there also, monotone and boring with little in the way of decent analysis to offer. He also let slip a cheer for Mayo when they scored a point, think it was Alan Dillon point in second half from the right. His commentary is a bigger joke his paranoia about his name!!
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Post by ballynamona on Aug 25, 2014 18:57:48 GMT
Surely the decision to have the replay in Limerick counts as one of the GAA's worst ever moves?
They must have known that a) a draw was not unlikely and b)that the idea of playing the replay outside Croker would attract loads of adverse publicity.
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Post by Ballyfireside on Aug 25, 2014 19:08:15 GMT
I heard the commentary on TSG last night. When we dispossessed the Mayo defender late on to allow JOD's chance which hit the post, he shouted over the commentator, "that's a foul...a foul" when Donnaghy knocked the ball forward. He's just a terrible guy to have there also, monotone and boring with little in the way of decent analysis to offer. He also let slip a cheer for Mayo when they scored a point, think it was Alan Dillon point in second half from the right. His commentary is a bigger joke his paranoia about his name!! Not meaning to sound like a conspiracy theorist but as I said elsewhere, any 'man' to seek to obstruct a GAA player taking place kick, I.e. Maurice Fitzgerald in Thurles, is not worthy of mention on here, let alone being on TV. Why is he there; I even know a dozen Dubs who are class analysts and a few of them have played at inter-county level. If we have to have a Dub be Jackeen will yez RTE hobos give us a real Jackeen who knows his onions.
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Post by Ballyfireside on Aug 25, 2014 19:12:07 GMT
Surely the decision to have the replay in Limerick counts as one of the GAA's worst ever moves? They must have known that a) a draw was not unlikely and b)that the idea of playing the replay outside Croker would attract loads of adverse publicity. GAA needs sound commercial advice; 1. Sky deal a sell out, unless someone got a bung. 2 Gareth Brooks a joke. 3. Mayo an Kerry was always a possible draw, a 1 in 6 chance said Paddy Power. Not too late to change and 2 of the best 4 teams deserve it. I know we often give the organisation questionable stick; this is not questionable.
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Aug 25, 2014 19:19:31 GMT
Why did they have Limerick earmarked rather than Thurles??
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Post by carthalawn on Aug 25, 2014 19:25:20 GMT
A bizarre yet engrossing spectacle. Couple of key points: Moran was outstanding, a player who grows as the season progresses. Always plays with his head up. Maher stepped up versus the Galway game, referee did him no favours in the 2nd half. Buckley much improved as well. The beating of Mayo next Saturday may well come a longer contribution from Stephen O'Brien, he looked very sharp during his 19 minute spell. Jod was superb again, movement was excellent, which kept the mayo back line guessing. Paul Geaney won some great ball, on another day he would have bagged a handful. Walsh was superb, covered an amount of ground, and like Maher was victim of poor refereeing. Marc was so disapointing it was untrue, hard to call for the replay. Star played his part, a great competitor who will play a key role on Saturday. Kick out strategy was odd, not sure whether we avoided the short kick out for fear of turnovers. The two turnovers we conceded were incredibly costly and infuriating. More communication required across the back three and the keeper. O'Mahony surprised on the positive, kicked more than usual. Still confident we will progress, better spread of scorers and variety to our game plan. We have learned from our failings, the last five minutes will stand to us. The future is bright.
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Post by ballynamona on Aug 25, 2014 19:37:19 GMT
Why did they have Limerick earmarked rather than Thurles?? Who knows? The charitable view might be that Limerick might be easier for Mayo based people to get to using public transport, i.e if they get to Galway should be able to get to Limerick. But I just went on Irish Rail there to see how a train from Castlebar to Limerick would work out. I don't think it would be feasible to get up and down in one day using the train. The 5 pm throw-in is yet another poorly thought out aspect of this.
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Post by 63587614 on Aug 25, 2014 20:00:08 GMT
Lads serious debate about this venue choice.
What's deal with tickets. Will they be on ticket master.
Do we think Kerry will have big support.
Going try and travel down from Dublin anybody driving down pm me please.
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Post by Mickmack on Aug 25, 2014 20:43:56 GMT
Donaghy says that he is fully fit for the first time in 4 years. This gives us some many new dimensions/options.... he can lend a hand at midfield, the diagonal ball as delivered by Moran and Paul Guiney is a lethal option... he can land a long range point... remember Kerrys last point in the 2011 final.
Johnny Buckley is beginning to find his feet at this level.
As against that, Marc can hardly start the next day. Declan and Bryan are clearly not fit. Darren didn't make the 24 yesterday.
JOD must show a little more awareness of colleagues when haring through... PG was better placed to take the pass a few times and Declan was screaming for a pass when that last shot hit the post. I feel that a right rough f.... animal writing that!!
John OKeeffe says that the 6 day turn around will suit Mayo as they are more developed physically.... and that the tigher Limerick pitch will suit them too.
I always felt that Gaelic football is played at about 60% of its potential. However, the black card has changed things utterly. Surely there is no going back to the pre black card era now.
The irony is that if Lee Keegan had committed a black card offense rather than a yellow, Kerry would have been far better off.
EF will surely be drawing up a man marking job for Killian OConnor. When all is said and done, if he is kept quiet Mayo will find it hard to get enough scores.
Kerrys kickout strategy when the opposition is having a purple patch needs addressing too. Maybe its simply a matter of pulling Donaghy out to midfield at that point.
Paul Geaney was a little hurried/nervous yesterday and I expect that Mikey will be having a word in his ear.
Barry John caught that last ball when twas needed most. The moment found the man.
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Post by veteran on Aug 25, 2014 20:55:32 GMT
I was fairly glum going to Dublin yesterday having learned that the Kerry juniors, minor hurlers and women footballers were beaten on Saturday. Indeed, watching the minors it looked for a while as the bad luck would continue. In spite of being clearly the better team they seemed to be overwhelmed by stage fright for the first twenty minutes or so, especially the forwards. Cormac Coffey and both midfielders made huge contributions but, not being familiar with the players, I found it difficult to distinguish them. In any case, they were vastly superior to there opponents in the second half in spite of missing a penalty and giving away a soft goal at the end. Having watched them against Cork and Mayo, I sense there is more in them and wouldn't it be appropriate if they produced their true worth in the final.
As I said here last week, I had a quiet confidence about the senior match. As the first half progressed, that quiet confidence became something more tangible. But one of the most alarming aspects of the early stages for me was the sight of Stephen O'Brien going off. As usual he was as feverish as a dervish. I was furious as I thought he was being taken off but apparently he sustained a recurrence of his injury. In my view , he has become an indispensable member of the team and will be a huge loss the next day.
Going in at half time four points to the good my quiet confidence knew no bounds and when James made it five, and with an extra man, it appeared that the Sunday after the Listowel Races was once more going to be spent in Croke Park. However, at this stage Mayo went wild. It looked as if every one of them had become a giant while our lads had shrunk to pygmies. Every ball was claimed, any Kerry player foolish enough to come in the way was blown asunder with the result that the points sailed over and the penalty planked with minimal effort. I suppose it was as good a twenty minutes of defiance as has ever been witnessed up there. I hope Larry Tompkins was present to see it after his clownish comments that this Mayo team lacked heart and the appetite for the battle. A lot of these former players, including some of our own, should be muzzled for the good of humanity.
Five points up with about five minutes to go my confidence had disappeared into the ether. Goose cooked surely. And then along comes my old buddy, KD. Ah sure there is lot to be said still for a man who can climb that high provided he has an acolyte with the reflexes of a cat and murderous intent hovering for the crumbs. I was seated in my usual haunt, in the Canal End, so my view was as good as any for what ensued in those last frenzied moments. KD soared up for one and was fouled. He soared up for another one but Kieran O'Leary jumped in front of him and got it but was robbed. KO'L should have stayed down and looped around for the pass. That is what I would have done up on my seat anyway!! Not over yet. KD soared again and as he did I saw that predator from Killarney crouched , just aching for the pass. He got it, and he got the goal , squeezed inches inside the near post. Not done yet. Marc retrieves one on the end line, it is recycled to KO'L who kicked it truly. A peach from a much maligned player, not least by myself. Kicking a point for a draw is far more demanding than kicking a point for a winner. It was a wonder point, all things considered. Not over yet, another throw of the dice. A tidy man with close cropped hair did a sharp imitation of KD in front of the Cusack Stand. Has a small man ever jumped as high as BJK did for that ball? Bryan shaped up to kick the free. Not an easy one , from a player scarcely able to trot. It was bisecting the cross bar as it sailed towards me but dropped half a foot short. No fault Bryan. Final curtain. Won and lost and shared . Could not be fairer.
I am not sure if Brian Kelly was instructed regarding the kick outs but there is an aspect of his play that I alluded to after the Galway match. He is very slow and deliberate with his kick outs and seems to keep his head down for an inordinate amount of time when placing the ball and thereby misses players making runs for short ones. On the other hand, I suppose if he is not sure it is better to kick it away as far as possible.
AO'M was solid enough but of course was turned over for a point by dwelling too long on the ball. Get rid of it Aiden. Shane Enright was assured enough. The once invincible Marc had possibly his poorest game in the green and gold. It is a pity to see this great man playing just like an ordinary corner back. But then , time does not not still, not even for an O'Se. He of course could defy time before this year is out. If not, he remains the most complete corner back I have seen play for my county.
As far as I can recall ,each of the half backs scored. I got the impression that , by and large, each had satisfactory games which is not bad when you consider that each is still learning his trade.
Anthony Maher improved on his Galway form but there is still so much there which remains untapped. For a man returning from two cruciate ligament injuries and an eye injury, David Moran was remarkable.He inevitably tired but , before that, he was a huge influence.
Michael Geaney seemed to be ignored by the Mayo backs. In fairness to him, he played moderately well, kicked a good point and executed a wonderful cross field pass to cousin Paul which he untypically missed. Michael fumbled a few easy balls but still one must remember he is also a novice. In truth, I find it hard to evaluate his future. Johnny Buckley had some glorious moments, his best game in Croke Park. I think we have to accept that he does not have the stamina for seventy minutes in Croke Park. Somebody mentioned him as a possible centre half back. It might be worth considering, but not this year of course. Doncha was mighty at times but the referee was cruel to him. He was a clearly fouled on a few occasions but the referee, no doubt repaying Mayo for the perceived harsh red card, decided that the mauled Doncha held on too long.
Paul Geaney repeatedly beat his man but was out of luck with his shooting. That happens the greatest of players. He is one of our leading men. As I said before, it is a shame that Stephen O'Brien had to leave so early. His blinding pace is a commodity we are crying out for. 1-3 from play by a man who was smothered by two and at times three men, James continues to astonish. It is of course much to early to speak of him in the same breath as Colm. However, we can safely say, even at this stage ,that he is as fearless as Colm.
KO'L, KD and BJK, as already suggested, made crucial contributions. Sadly, Declan and Bryan are still unfit for this level of intense competition. Six days will scarcely make a significant difference.
PS. I have spoken before about our willingness to discard the most revered colours in the GAA. It is amazing that Mayo can come up with a variation of their red and green rather than wearing the provincial white. Could we not come with a variation of the green and gold. Perhaps, it is a sign of my age but I was brought up obsessed with those colours, as was most other Kerry people. Those colours are as much part of our DNA as football itself. I am just sick of our county board being prepared to jettison those magical colours. It was one of the reasons I refused to support the five year ticket scheme for the first time last year. More respect for followers please.
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Post by southward on Aug 25, 2014 20:56:58 GMT
I never thought I'd say this about one of the Gods of the game, but Marc was just awful yesterday and his place must be in doubt now. As someone else said earlier, if he wasn't Marc, there would be no doubt. Declan wasn't at all happy with JOD for not giving him the pass at the end but in fairness, he's been putting those over in his sleep all year. Delighted for Barry John. He's done the business every time he's come on lately. I thought Crowley had to have a go at Vaughan for the penalty. Wasn't too far away from being a good shoulder either. Someone mentioned that there were men in between Vaughan and the goal but they were running away from him if anything.
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