kerryexile
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Post by kerryexile on Aug 9, 2014 13:00:04 GMT
I think that Kilkenny will do what they have done for years - make sure they get an early goal or two. They will then swap points for the rest of the game and Kilkenny will win by 5 or 6 points.
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Post by Mickmack on Aug 9, 2014 23:21:19 GMT
Maybe....just maybe ...that KK have reached the semi final via a very soft route ...Galway and Dublin didn't really raise much of a gallop in 2014.
Could it be that the two best teams in 2014 are Limerick and Cork and this is the final we will have in 2014?
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Post by glengael on Aug 10, 2014 17:38:51 GMT
God Kilkenny are relentless. They really are.
You'd have to feel for Limerick. They are where we were last year, on the losing side of a "great" All Ireland semi-final.
Tis a bit like being jilted the week before the wedding. All you're left with is the faint praise, the pitying looks and the haunting thoughts of what might have been.
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Post by Mickmack on Aug 10, 2014 18:05:14 GMT
well, KKs ability to get goals pulled them though a monumental epic battle in awful conditions sensibly reffed even though he will get lackery for not sending off OGrady or giving a penalty in that incident.
KKs forwards inside forwards poor and the subs got them there. Limerick were heroic and they are back as a power in hurling. Talk about cats having none lives..........
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Post by veteran on Aug 10, 2014 19:32:54 GMT
Living so close to the border, Limerick has always been my hurling team. They have sustained many defeats in my time but I have rarely been as heartbroken as I was today. They simply could not have done more. It is easy, facile indeed, to say that they will be a force next year but twelve months seems so far away, especially considering their hopeless record over the last forty one years. Perhaps.
Even allowing for the awful conditions, I felt Kilkenny were very poor today. No doubt the manic vigour of Limerick was a major factor. Kilkenny seemed intent, in the first twenty five minutes or so, on playing hurling more suited to a sunny day. Their striking was rarely crisp and always seemed to be hurried. For example, Brian Hogan got on the world of ball but the bulk of his clearances were "skied" to the heavens. Unlike Limerick, several of their players made no impact. Amazingly, Brian Cody seemed to make his changes very late and if they had been beaten he would have to face a fairly severe cross examination. When he did make changes, Ritchie Power, unlike Henry, made a huge impact. I suppose Kilkenny won in the end because their DNA is imprinted with a " do not yield" sign. Of course, the adoption of a blanket defence in the last five minutes or so helped also. Now a hurling man like Brian would never admit to adopting such a tactic.
It is fascinating to reflect how post match comments are dictated by the final score line. There is no doubt Donal O'Grady should have got a straight red card for his hurley strike on the ankle of Ritchie Power. Had Kilkenny lost, Brian Cody would have had to be tied down during his post match interview. However, with victory secured one can afford to be gracious about these "incidentals". It depends on what suits the narrative, boys and girls.
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Post by townend on Aug 10, 2014 23:16:45 GMT
kilkenny are out standing their will never be a team like them again, Cody is up there with Micko and maybe is better as he has build 3 or 4 kilkenny team's Vetern if you think kilkenny were poor today god help tipp or cork in the final if they click. and it kind of runs down Limericks display but Limerick still lack a match winner. O'Grady should have got the line not for the pull on Power but for the one hand lash down on kilkennys Joey Holden, but he cost Limerick the game as Larkin scored the goal from his foul on Holden then his pull on power another point they were beaten by 2
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Post by Mickmack on Aug 10, 2014 23:21:26 GMT
yes, Limerick were always my favourite team too.
I used tor follow them especially when free and easy in the last 70s and early 80s. 1980 v Galway got away but 1981 replay v Galway loss without the suspended Sean Foley was tragic. I used to love Jimmy Carroll in midfield and big Joe McKenna at 14 and of course Eamon Cregan, the hurling artist.
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Post by townend on Aug 11, 2014 0:47:54 GMT
when you add in 1994 when offaly only hurl for 5 minutes limerick have been threw the mill down the years alright, i was at the 94 final, unreal what offaly done that day
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Post by buck02 on Aug 11, 2014 10:55:02 GMT
Yesterdays hurling game had all the hallmarks of a divisional championship game played in December. Rain in biblical proportions, huge physicality, bad refereeing and in the end the team that scores the goals wins the game.
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Post by sidelined on Aug 11, 2014 13:52:28 GMT
limerick must be wondering what else they must do to get a major win. every man fought as if their lives depended on it. conceding 1-2 before could have killed them off, but fair play to them they stuck in and took lead again. o gradys reckless pull under the puck out cost them the game, Kilkenny goaled from the free and their dander was up after that.
surprised that Waterford faded so badly in the minor match. after gaoling they should have use their physical strength to drive for home. Kilkenny midfielders small but very nippy.
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Post by buck02 on Aug 11, 2014 14:22:52 GMT
limerick must be wondering what else they must do to get a major win. every man fought as if their lives depended on it. conceding 1-2 before could have killed them off, but fair play to them they stuck in and took lead again. o gradys reckless pull under the puck out cost them the game, Kilkenny goaled from the free and their dander was up after that. surprised that Waterford faded so badly in the minor match. after gaoling they should have use their physical strength to drive for home. Kilkenny midfielders small but very nippy. This incident, and O Gradys trip on the Kilkenny sub who was through on goals highlights the difference in public and media perception of hurling and football. Last year there was hysteria when Sean Cavanagh pulled down the Monaghan forward who was through on goal. It ended up with a drastic rule change which was never even trialled. Yesterday we saw a guy dive, strike a player with a hurl across the shins and trip him. It barely warranted a word, only complaints that he wasn't booked and a penalty wasn't given. Similarly a few years ago Sean Og o hAlpin stuck the butt of his hurley throw the faceguard of a Galway hurler and nobody blinked an eyelid. A year or so later we had the Galvin/Cadogan incident and the moral outrage that followed.
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Post by kerrygold on Aug 11, 2014 14:28:27 GMT
limerick must be wondering what else they must do to get a major win. every man fought as if their lives depended on it. conceding 1-2 before could have killed them off, but fair play to them they stuck in and took lead again. o gradys reckless pull under the puck out cost them the game, Kilkenny goaled from the free and their dander was up after that. surprised that Waterford faded so badly in the minor match. after gaoling they should have use their physical strength to drive for home. Kilkenny midfielders small but very nippy. This incident, and O Gradys trip on the Kilkenny sub who was through on goals highlights the difference in public and media perception of hurling and football. Last year there was hysteria when Sean Cavanagh pulled down the Monaghan forward who was through on goal. It ended up with a drastic rule change which was never even trialled. Yesterday we saw a guy dive, strike a player with a hurl across the shins and trip him. It barely warranted a word, only complaints that he wasn't booked and a penalty wasn't given. Similarly a few years ago Sean Og o hAlpin stuck the butt of his hurley throw the faceguard of a Galway hurler and nobody blinked an eyelid. A year or so later we had the Galvin/Cadogan incident and the moral outrage that followed. Taking out Galvin seemed to become a particular fetish enjoyed by Croker at the time.
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Post by Mickmack on Aug 11, 2014 20:02:33 GMT
The manliness displayed yesterday is unique to hurling and to rugby. The KK player could have gone down after getting the slap on the hand and got OGrady sent off but he was up like a flash. Not once did KK lie down to waste time as those frenetic minutes at the end ticked away. Compare that to Dublin in the 2013 final and Mayo in the 2012 semi against the Dubs.
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Post by Mickmack on Aug 11, 2014 20:08:29 GMT
Tis amazing when you think about it....Cork and Tipp with about 50% of hurling titles, meet for the first time even in Croke Park in the championship next sunday
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Post by ansúilleabhánach on Aug 13, 2014 12:40:00 GMT
Yea...real manly by Delaney pulling that forward's faceguard, thus preventing his being clean through on goal.
Maigh Eo 2012/BÁC 2013 in the tupenny ha'penny place compared to one of our own's dive to get Donncha O Connor sent off in 2008. Timewasting to save a lead is old hat. There were (i mo thuairimse) a few very dubious frees for na Conallaigh on Saturday last, which appeared like deception. I'd rather shove a doctor (I don't care- it was hilarious).
Ah you're probably right in the general long term view though. Albeit football is a lot more physical.
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Post by veteran on Aug 17, 2014 19:29:49 GMT
That was a surprising collapse by Cork, not unlike the footballers against kerry I suppose. The first half was bizarre in the sense it appeared to me that Tipperary were going to uproot themselves with the the tactics they applied. The ball was repeatedly lofted into Seamus Callinan where he was expected to field it and failing that to win the break , with little or no help. Repeatedly Cork backs won breaks unmolested with result that Cork were still alive at half time. It reminded of Kerry, on bad days, playing high ball into KD on his own with the same unreasonable demands on him as were being made on Seamus Callinan in that opening half. However, that was rectified in the second half with the rearrangement of their forward line, with Patrick Maher being a very willing helper for his number fourteen. As a result, Tipperary went about dismembering Cork which they threatened to do in the first half. Lar Corbett could have texted in his contribution, so poor was he. I was amazed he was not replaced earlier. No doubt, the Tipperary forwards will get the plaudits but it was their backs and midfielders who dominated from start to finish.
I fancied Cork, feeling they were progressing nicely from their fine year in 2014 and also that the JBM factor would propel fellows to play above what they had achieved heretofore. He certainly brought out the Cork followers and from talking to a lot of them since the Munster final they saw nothing ahead but a Cork/Kilkenny final. I suppose, as after the Munster football final, some people will point to the dual player issue. This of course is a fatuous argument in the circumstances when you consider, how in both games, the majority of Cork players were substandard, not just the dual lads. There is no doubt that Aiden Walsh was poor today. I have a theory about Aiden, which I hinted at after the Kerry/Cork game , that he likes the game to be loose where he can exploit his athleticism. He does not appear to have the power for down and dirty stuff. Aiden O'Shea, for example, is cut from a different cloth. Like most of his colleagues, Damian Cahalane was also poor today. I have only seen Damian play hurling a few times but he appears to me to be a more natural footballer.
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Post by sidelined on Aug 17, 2014 22:33:26 GMT
cork were very naive in their tactics today. with the breeze in the first half they played with an extra defender instead of putting pressure on tipps backs 1 on 1. got caught with short puck outs alot. in the second half tipp put bonnie in the corner and defenders and midfielders had time to look up and find their pass and bypass the extra man. cork seemed nervous horgan missing frees, first touch was shockingly poor, while tipp were on a roll after recent wins.
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Post by kerrygold on Aug 18, 2014 8:08:39 GMT
Tipp did all the hurling yesterday and were far sharper than Cork in every facet of the game. They went through the gap very early in the second half, as Cork folded easily this time, on the back of a few early second half points 5 -10 minutes in and closed the gate on Cork.
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Post by Mickmack on Aug 18, 2014 23:36:14 GMT
what a non event! Cork will take a while to get over this. For the second year in a row the munster champs fail to perform in the semi final. Eddie Brennan rubbished the idea of the long layoff off without a game being a factor. He said that it was all about attitude. In Nowlan Park last summer, Tipp didn't want to know when it came to the white heat of battle against KK and Seamus Callanan was one. He is THE MAN this year for Tipp. The biggest day is yet to come though.
What a battler Bonner Maher is. He is inspirational for Tipp even if he doesn't have the skill level of others. Lar is a passenger at the moment. Will he and Henry see much game time in the final?
The pulse quickens at the thought of this game.
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Post by Mickmack on Aug 19, 2014 22:10:46 GMT
By Peter O’Dwyer
The Cork underage hurling set-up is riddled with serious structural deficiencies that the proposed €70m renovation of Páirc Uí Chaoimh will do nothing to rectify, according to former Cork goalkeeper Donal Óg Cusack.
The former All-Star believes that Cork clubs have been “sold a pup” with plans to establish a centre of excellence that he referred to as “a monument”.
According to Cusack, Cork’s lack of success at underage is of serious concern and needs to be addressed with investment in coaching, proper facilities and the introduction of more games-development officers in the county.
The Cloyne man illustrated his point by questioning where the success of the county’s U-21, minor and school teams has been of late.
“There’s serious structural problems exist within Cork and you can talk about whatever you want, but the reality is that Cork haven’t won an U-21 All-Ireland since 1998,” he said.
"They won two in a row, 1997 and 1998. In fact they hadn’t won an U-21 before that [since] 1988.
“They haven’t won a minor All-Ireland since 2001. All of our colleges are after losing their strength, where’s the North Mon gone, where’s Coleman’s gone, where are all these squads?
“To be fair to Jimmy and the management, you could say that they’ve been turning wine into water [sic] because… you look at all the other teams that are there, they’re all winning underage,” said Cusack on RTÉ’s The Sunday Game.
Cusack also mentioned Cork’s U-21’s crushing defeat to reigning champions Clare in Cusack Park last month when the Banner ran out winners on a scoreline of 1-28 to 1-13, saying it was embarrassing.
In doing so he also took a swipe at the Cork newspaper The Evening Echo saying that the argument that Clare were exceptional is typical of the type of propaganda that is used to deflect criticism.
“That’s the propaganda that’ll be put out in the Cork Evening Echo on a Monday night but has every team since 1998 been an exceptional team? I doubt it,” he said in response to an argument put forward by presenter, Des Cahill.
Cusack also posed the question as to why some of the city teams who traditionally have provided a lot of players to the Cork set-up but are not doing so at present, aren’t questioning the County Board more on the use of the €70m investment that he said will end up being a centre of mediocrity rather than excellence.
“Cork are investing €70m in a stadium… a centre of excellence? There’s two fields there how could that be a centre of excellence? If I was a club person I’d be looking to review that, that’s going to turn out to be a centre of mediocrity,” he said.
“I actually think it’s a monument that’s being built rather than a centre of excellence.”
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Post by Mickmack on Aug 24, 2014 0:00:14 GMT
WEXFORD 1-21 GALWAY 1-19
Wexford are through to their first Bord Gáis Energy All-Ireland Under-21 hurling final since 2001 after defeating Galway by two points, 1-21 to 1-19 at Semple Stadium.
The Slaneysiders lost last year’s semi-final in shock fashion against Antrim but Wexford banished the bitter memories of that defeat as senior star Jack Guiney scored 1-08 en route to victory.
The sides were level ten times in front of 6,853 spectators at Semple Stadium, but late scores from Gary Moore and Guiney edged the Leinster kingpins over the line.
Wexford had scoring contributions from seven players on the night, with Moore, Conor McDonald and Kevin Foley collecting 0-03 each.
Galway’s Pádraic Brehony was desperately unlucky to find himself on the losing side, having contributed 1-05 of his 1-06 tally before half-time.
The sides were level seven times in that opening half but a purple patch of scoring saw Galway reel off seven points before and after the break.
The Tribesmen edged into a one-point interval lead, 1-14 to 1-13, with a run of four points approaching the break.
And when Shane Maloney and Brehony added points after the restart, Galway had four to spare.
But that was Wexford’s cue to respond with a run of five unanswered points to regain the lead.
Cathal Mannion levelled matters again and when wing back Adrian Tuohy launched a monstrous score over the bar, Galway were back in front.
But Wexford would finish strong as Guiney converted an equalising free before Gary Moore edged the Leinster champions ahead again.
And one of the scores of the game was Guiney’s insurance as he improvised superbly to bat Conor McDonald’s clever centre over the bar in the final minute.
In the first half, the sides had racked up 29 scores between them, with Guiney and Brehony trading goals.
With the sides level for the sixth time at 0-09 apiece, Brehony took a pass from Mannion to net in the 20th minute.
But that goal was cancelled out by Guiney four minutes before half-time, after the prolific hit-man collected a Rhys Clarke offload.
Wexford’s win means they are within touching distance of a first All-Ireland Under-21 title since 1965.
But they will have to beat a powerful Clare side chasing three-in-a-row in the final to achieve that feat.
GALWAY: S Mannion; D O’Donoghue, J Hanbury, P Killeen; B Keane, D Higgins, A Tuohy (0-01); C Diviney, E Burke (0-01); P Brehony (1-06), S Maloney (0-06, 3f), C Mannion (0-03); D Dolan, J Glynn (0-01), J Flynn.
Subs: B Molloy (0-01) for Dolan (23), E Brannigan for Diviney (47), J Carr for Flynn (56).
WEXFORD: O O’Leary; G Foley, L Ryan, E Conroy; A Kenny, S O’Gorman, J O’Connor; A Nolan (0-01), C Devitt (0-01); J Guiney (1-08, 0-07f), G Moore (0-03), P Foley (0-02); R Clarke, C McDonald (0-03), K Foley (0-03).
Subs: J White for G Foley (36), P Sutton for Clarke (44), S Cash for Devitt (51), C O’Leary for P Foley (54).
Referee: D Kirwan (Cork).
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Post by glengael on Aug 25, 2014 10:32:37 GMT
Wexford v Clare could be the game of the year.
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Post by Mickmack on Sept 2, 2014 18:50:36 GMT
A KK man told me today that Tommy Walsh is pressing hard for a place on sunday which means in laymans language means that he is taking no prisoners in training!! KK will be at full championship pace so.
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Post by glengael on Sept 3, 2014 11:43:40 GMT
Can't imagine that Tipp will be far off championship pace either Mick. They were written off in the Spring and all the talk in Munster was of Cork and Clare. Yet here they are on the big day again.
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Post by Mickmack on Sept 3, 2014 22:28:22 GMT
Kilkenny’s 1993 All-Ireland captain Eddie O’Connor fears Barry Kelly could spoil Sunday’s All-Ireland final as a spectacle.
O’Connor says the game with Tipperary will be “a tsunami of hurling” if the Westmeath referee lets the game flow.
There is scepticism about Kelly in Kilkenny after he sent off HenryShefflin for two yellow cards in last year’s All-Ireland quarter-final defeat to Cork, a dismissal which was later overturned.
The experienced Kelly takes charge of his fourth final at the weekend and his previous three appointments have all involved Kilkenny. He also took charge of their Leinster final win over Dublin this year.
O’Connor is concerned the official will try to impose himself too much on the action.
“When I played Tipp in the 1991 All-Ireland final there was a lot of physical challenges in it. It’s a man’s game and I hope Barry Kelly has a bit of common sense and leaves the game run. Too often, referees are looking to flash the cards.
“There will be heavy shoulder challenges in it and he has to referee it but I hope he doesn’t make a mess of the game. The fear I have is he will make a mess of the game.
“It’s not an U10 match we’re playing, it’s part and parcel of an All-Ireland hurling final. Everyone is going to go out and try and dominate their own part of the field.
“I would expect a savage battle to go on all over the field. If you look at both teams there are huge match-ups and the fear I have is Barry Kelly might want to be more important than the players.
“When that happens it can ruin the game. It’s a bit like the football match last Saturday [between Kerry and Mayo] when the referee spoiled the game. Let the game flow. If you’re not able for the physical challenges then take up golf. If you’re not prepared for a physical challenge you shouldn’t be playing hurling.
“The good, honest hits are what people want to see. If the GAA don’t realise it’s a physical game then they should just give up the field in Croke Park and sow spuds on it.”
Kelly also drew the ire of Kilkenny fans when he awarded Galway a late free in the 2012 final, which Joe Canning converted to force a replay.
O’Connor believes Brian Cody and the Kilkenny team have moved on from what happened with Shefflin in Thurles 13 months ago but maybe not the supporters.
“It was a bit like Patrick Horgan against Limerick last year. It was nothing he [Shefflin] was sent off for and he shouldn’t have been sent off. When you send off players for Mickey Mouse things it ruins the game.
“We all understand if you strike with the hurley you’ve got to go, constant fouling and all this kind of craic.
“I think Brian has put that under the bed and under the carpet but a lot of Kilkenny supporters are very, very unhappy with the sending off last year of Henry. They felt Barry Kelly made a big mistake.
“I’m not sure he cost them the game but he certainly ruined the game as a contest. I suppose Kilkenny last year, they were an aging team and the last thing they wanted was to be down a man.”
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Post by Mickmack on Sept 3, 2014 22:32:31 GMT
This missile at the ref from Eddie oConnor is clearly deliberate. KK aren't happy that he is the ref.
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Post by sidelined on Sept 3, 2014 22:42:13 GMT
kilkenny cranking up the pressure on kelly alright interesting to see what team kk pick. will they keep kelly at 14, seems to be very lively but conditions against limerick and mccarthy destroyed him, or more likely they will put a cute fox like power on in on inexpierenced full back barry. the game could be decided on which vetern no 15 larkin or lar corbett can turn it on.
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Post by givehimaball on Sept 3, 2014 23:31:15 GMT
This missile at the ref from Eddie oConnor is clearly deliberate. KK aren't happy that he is the ref. Those quotes are hilarious - "a veritable tsunami" of attempting to undermine the referee. it will be a good game if the ref doesn't actually use his whistle at any point some that may not be legit, some that will probably be dangerous, some that will be cheating that kids and women play as well and can lead to life-changing injuries ignore the actual rules and use the nebulous "common sense" reffing approach (also known as applying the rules in a haphazard approach that favours the team I support] dont be blowing the whistle when the players cheat yes it gives referees a massive thrill to be able to flash a card and has absolutely nothing to do with how a player acts, despite the fact that refs in hurling pretty much only give cards when they can't avoid it if fights break out it will be the refs fault and certainly not the fault of the players on the pitch once again it will be the refs fault how the players act, not the refs despite the fact that the rules are the same in both and given the fact that the players are vastly stronger and older, surely means that the players can inflict seriously injury much more easily and as they are vastly more experienced have a greater knowledge of the rules and as adults surely should have much more self-control battle :noun ; - place where two groups of people gather with the express goal of actually killing one another yes the ref would love nothing more than to send off some players who act the maggot and get all the massive popularity/PR/respect that would come from that as opposed to not being remotely mentioned in post-match dispatches. as opposed to how various player's act for god sakes don't blow the whistle at any point whatsoever hurling is clearly not a game relating to skill no siree, no way whatsoever ; also if you're only interested in the physical challenges shouldnt you really be playing rugby or even get involved in weight-lifting or something of that ilk? If this lad is so desperate for a game where the physical challenge is vastly more important that the skill someone should really take him to a rugby game. skill has no place in hurling - the viewers are solely turning in to watch lads pulling and dragging out of one another The fact that this lad believes that a ref actually applying the rules should lead directly to Croke Park being used to grow potatoes says volumes. Also very tough to play football in a field with spuds sown on it Is this lad even aware that there is a football final to be played in 2 weeks? Yup once a player is sent off the game automatically comes to an end. A team with 14 players have never once beaten a team with 15. A player getting sent off clearly has nothing whatsoever to do with how the player behaves. No player has ever been sent off for doing Mickey Mouse impersonations. In fact there isnt any rules against it in the GAA rule book. Rules against striking, dangerous play, acting the maggot - yup you can be sent off for all those offenses but scandalously Mickey Mouse impersonations are not actually against the rules of hurling. We really dont like the fact that striking with a hurley and constant fouling are legitimate reasons for a player to be sent off. The only reason a player should get sent off is if the actually kills someone. Even then there might be extenuating circumstances and if the county board don't automatcially appeal his red its a gross failing by the county board
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Post by shaggy04 on Sept 5, 2014 18:11:46 GMT
Final tickets for sale on gaa.ie now if anyone is interested, doubt they'll be there for the football final.
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Post by Mickmack on Sept 5, 2014 22:33:39 GMT
Sunday is given down to be a warm dry day and this should suit the younger Tipp team.
We know KK will all turn up and deliver. Can we be so sure of Tipp? Have they really changed their spots since throwing in the towel so meekly in Nowlan park in 2013.
How the ref approaches things will be important. KK would like a relaxation of the rules it seems.
Tipps season turned towards the end of the galway game. KK have been impressive without really hitting top gear yet. is there a top gear in them.
Impossible to call it.
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