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Post by keane on Apr 5, 2013 14:41:27 GMT
Match preview here if anyone wants to take a look: www.livegaelic.com/news/allianz-football-league-preview-tyrone-vs-kerry/We're also after starting up a Counties section, so if you want to get all the Kerry news for example it's: www.livegaelic.com/counties/ and hit Kerry. Pretty nifty I think and we'll be looking to add more and more content to the county pages over the next while. On Kerry this weekend, definitely delighted to see Gooch on the 40, he's so effective as a playmaker and has been unfortunately marginalised at times in recent seasons playing inside amongst rafts of defenders. Having such a powerful FF line inside being fed by Gooch could be very effective. Gooch is the sort of player you want on the ball as much as possible, having him out in a bit of space could be great.
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Post by MrRasherstoyou on Apr 5, 2013 15:52:30 GMT
So will any of the forwards play a very deep and/or roving role? Cooper? Donaghy? Galvin? All those well capable
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Post by buck02 on Apr 5, 2013 18:21:38 GMT
The team selection looks like a statement of intent.
It will be a different story whether the team can produce a statement of intent on Sunday.
A win will set us up nicely for the championship (even if its not good enough to stay up). A defeat and relegation will make it a long few weeks before the championship starts.
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Post by mozzy on Apr 5, 2013 19:15:42 GMT
I think Tyrone are far more settled than Kerry at this stage -a Kerry victory would be a huge boost but methinks its a bridge too far at this late stage. Either way best off luck to the lads and I like the team we have put together
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Post by An Bradán on Apr 5, 2013 22:41:48 GMT
Have to agree with Mozzy. They're maybe two yrs ahead on the restructuring front. But looking at the two teams we should be too strong for our hosts. A really complete performance thru all sectors of the team needed. The Gooch on the 40 situation most interesting.
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Post by veteran on Apr 6, 2013 20:05:40 GMT
There was an in depth interview wiith Brian McGuigan in today's Examiner. I do not have the technical expertise to reproduce it here)
It is disappointing that he is still carping at Declan O'Sullivan. I cannot recall any player writing/commenting about a contemporary in such fashion. Suffice to say that he is still "explaining" his confrontation in Killarney with Declan and his subsequent comments on the incident. Perhaps, somebody should tell Brian that when you keep on explaining you are losing. If only he could drop this bitterness we would remember him as the great player he was. Ditto his father.
Incidentally, Brian said in the interview that he would put Kerry up there with Dublin as favourites for this year's All-Ireland!. A few weeks back he was proclaming that Kerry would not be winning any All-Irelands for five or six years. Think before you write and speak, Brian.
In spite of my reservations about Colm's selection on the forty and the absence of Brian Sheehan for frees etc, I feel Kerry could win this one.
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Post by delorean on Apr 6, 2013 21:03:19 GMT
Presume there must be a longer version but... McGuigan warns relegation could be ‘payback’ for KerryFriday, April 05, 2013 By John Fogarty Outspoken former Tyrone player Brian McGuigan believes sending Kerry down to Division 2 next season would be “payback” for last year’s All-Ireland qualifier defeat in Killarney. Ahead of Sunday’s game in Omagh, current Tyrone defender Aidan McCrory admitted they “would love to win and put them down” as much as he insists Kerry want to beat them and remain in the top flight. McGuigan drew ire in Kerry in February when he said the county should forget about winning an All-Ireland title for the next six or seven years. After being sent off in his last game in a Tyrone jersey last July, he also claimed Declan O’Sullivan exaggerated an injury to convince David Coldrick to issue McGuigan a red card. Now he feels a victory in Healy Park would be suitable revenge for the 10-point defeat in FitzgeraldStadium nine months ago. “There’s a huge interest in this game and because of all the sideshows with the club games and player spats there’s more of a spotlight on this Sunday’s game than on any other National League game. “The fact that Kerry’s very future in Division One depends on it makes it a very unique occasion,” McGuigan wrote in his Gaelic Life column. “The fact that Tyrone have the opportunity to send them down would, in many people’s eyes, be some sort of payback for what went on down in Killarney last year. Tyrone, I’m sure, will see it that way. I’ve heard it said a few times in recent weeks that you wouldn’t like to see Kerry relegated, but not too many people were shedding tears or saying those sorts of things whenever Tyrone got relegated a few years back [2010].” McGuigan has called on Tyrone supporters to make Healy Park as difficult a place for the visitors as Kerry fans made it for them in Killarney. “I’d urge every Tyrone supporter to get themselves to Omagh. We experienced the white hot atmosphere in Kerry last year in the qualifiers, and I think that it’s only but right that we try to recreate that same atmosphere up here for Kerry’s visit on Sunday.” Although McGuigan feels Tyrone will find it hard to match Kerry’s intensity on Sunday, he says his remarks about the Kingdom two months ago have been justified by their difficulties in Division 1. “When I did my article earlier in the year I said Kerry football was struggling, and they were.” www.irishexaminer.com/sport/gaa/mcguigan-warns-relegation-could-be-payback-for-kerry-227464.html
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Post by falveyb2k on Apr 6, 2013 21:21:39 GMT
Talking about payback and love to win and put them down is silly and could add to the problems tomorrow. No need for it, it's just a league game so why try to stoke the flames?
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Post by southward on Apr 6, 2013 22:30:08 GMT
Talking about payback and love to win and put them down is silly and could add to the problems tomorrow. No need for it, it's just a league game so why try to stoke the flames? Indeed, but sure why come on during a game just to start a row and get yourself sent straight off again. This is the type of clown you're dealing with. The man needs a therapist, methinks.
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Post by ddtinexile on Apr 6, 2013 22:45:43 GMT
Delorean. Perhaps you should have used your tecnical expertise and put up the article by Murt Murphy in todays Examiner where Eamon Fitzmaurice makes a veiled comment on McGuigan's utterings and says that Kerry are going up to play football and there will be no sideshows. Maith fear Eamonn.
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Post by tyroneperson on Apr 6, 2013 23:12:38 GMT
Talking about payback and love to win and put them down is silly and could add to the problems tomorrow. No need for it, it's just a league game so why try to stoke the flames? Indeed, but sure why come on during a game just to start a row and get yourself sent straight off again. This is the type of clown you're dealing with. The man needs a therapist, methinks. Well it was a harsh enough sending-off and it's not like he's got a poor disciplinary record. The therapist comment is downright stupid. Nothing he said in that article that delorean posted is that controversial either really.
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Post by martin on Apr 6, 2013 23:49:31 GMT
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Post by delorean on Apr 6, 2013 23:52:04 GMT
Delorean. Perhaps you should have used your tecnical expertise and put up the article by Murt Murphy in todays Examiner where Eamon Fitzmaurice makes a veiled comment on McGuigan's utterings and says that Kerry are going up to play football and there will be no sideshows. Maith fear Eamonn. No problem ddtinexile. I knew my 'Copy & Paste' degree would come in useful some day... Fitzmaurice: There will be no sideshowsSaturday, April 06, 2013 By Murt Murphy Much of the pre-match build up has been dominated by tales of a growing bitterness between the counties stretching back to their All-Ireland final meetings in the last decade. But Fitzmaurice expressed disappointment at claims and counter claims of such a poisonous rivalry, adding that he had nothing but respect for Tyrone and their manager, Mickey Harte. The Kerry boss said: “I played in 2003 and 2005 and we had no problem as a group of players in accepting that Tyrone was the better team. In 2008, there was nothing between the teams, with Tyrone winning thanks to a Paschal McConnell save right at the end of the game. We had massive respect for that group of players and for Mikey Harte and for what they achieved. Speaking as a former player, I have massive respect for all those Tyrone players. I am disappointed with some of the stuff that has gone on in the media in recent times and you can only conclude that maybe its coming from those who have moved on from the scene and might still wanting to keep their names in the picture. Any time I have met those Tyrone players socially or anything, there is huge respect there. The same applies to Mickey Harte whom I have huge respect for and what he has achieved, what he goes through and he still there at the coalface, still applying himself as well as ever, developing another team, probably his third or fourth. So it is disappointing some of the stuff that is going on in the media. We are not looking at any of the sideshows on Sunday. We are going up to play a football game, nothing else.” Lose tomorrow and Kerry will drop down to Division Two. Win, and the Kerry camp will be relying on results elsewhere to decide their fate. Fitzmaurice hopes to at least finish the campaign with a win. “If we win Sunday and go down, we will be unlucky to down on six points. As disappointing as that will be at least you will be approaching the championship in a positive frame of mind and with a bit of momentum. If we lose on Sunday and go down – then yes it will be very disappointing. Four points from the league will not be good enough, and I would not be happy with it. If we had got a result in Kildare we could be going to Omagh to play for a semi-final place.” Fitzmaurice has handed starts to Eoin Brosnan, Colm Cooper and Paul Galvin for the game which will be televised live on TG4. www.irishexaminer.com/sport/gaa/fitzmaurice-there-will-be-no-sideshows-227575.html
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Post by delorean on Apr 6, 2013 23:57:30 GMT
The irony is, Mr Keane, that biased garbage like this won't do much to help the ceasefire. Talk about deluded self importance.
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Post by Seoirse Ui Duic on Apr 7, 2013 1:07:51 GMT
McGuigan is an absolute muppet but he wrote that piece for Gaelic Life, which is aimed at Ulster football fans, and they would love to get one over on Kerry. I'm sure that the average reader of that article will just shrug and read on but there's plenty of people as well that would agree with him. It's preaching to the choir really. I don't get what he means about the reception in Killarney last year though: it was a nice sunny day, there was music everywhere, people were enjoying themselves, there was a few drinks being drink; there was a festival atmosphere in and around the stadium and I don't think a single Tyrone supporter or player was made to feel unwelcome. Much has been written too about the respect Kerry people payed to Mickey Harte. McGuigan and the county chairman apparently went to a different match. Kerry go up to Tyrone to play football and win the game, no matter what Tyrone will throw at us. They just have to and with two consecutive wins under the belt confidence must be back in the team.
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Post by tyroneperson on Apr 7, 2013 1:36:13 GMT
I don't get what he means about the reception in Killarney last year though: it was a nice sunny day, there was music everywhere, people were enjoying themselves, there was a few drinks being drink; there was a festival atmosphere in and around the stadium and I don't think a single Tyrone supporter or player was made to feel unwelcome. I don't mean to pick a fight but you said yourself that you'd never felt so much anger as during that game! I remember it because I thought at the time it was an odd thing to say.
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Post by jigsawpuzzle on Apr 7, 2013 3:04:25 GMT
The McGuigans seem to have a chip on there shoulders alright. It makes me a little angry that hes talking about a white hot atmosphere that was in killarney and makes no mention of the beautiful reception given to Micky Harte after the game. Its more convenient to make us out to be souless. Anyway, thats just 1 opinion i suppose.
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Post by tyroneperson on Apr 7, 2013 4:27:22 GMT
www.irishexaminer.com/sport/cwcwqlojqlmh/rss2/there's the interview veteran mentioned. It's not that offensive really - he's probably a bit tactless at times but I wouldn't go any further than that. I know he shouldn't have aired his grievances in public but we all make mistakes (Jack O'Connor/Sean Walsh did the same in the past and it'd be unfair to call them muppets/clowns or whatever else). The article last year made me cringe but I don't think I can really blame him for talking about it in the recent examiner interview - he was probably just asked about it and answered without saying anything new really. Also I think the fuss over the Gaelic Life article is a bit much. He said that some people would see victory as payback for last year (I personally think Kerry will win) which is probably just a fact - no different than a fair amount of Kerry people probably viewing last year as a bit of revenge for the battles in the noughties (are we supposed to pretend a rivalry doesn't exist). I think if anyone else had written it nobody would've paid it any attention. Maybe Kerry folk now know how we felt when Spillane's whinging was at its peak "It was pure stupidity on my part. There was a lot worse that went on in that game but it had got to the point someone had to go and for pure stupidity alone I deserved it. I got away with a few things like that over the years but that day I didn't and it was only right I didn't. It had no bearing on the result, Kerry were going to win well anyway, but the way they were able to hold on to the ball with the extra man, it was embarrassing. After we came in to the dressing room I apologised to Mickey and when he called us into a huddle I asked him if he could let me speak to the boys so he did. I apologised to the boys but be honest I couldn�t look them in the eye. I kept looking at the floor." "Look, Declan O'Sullivan and Colm Cooper are two of the best footballers of our generation. The only man I've seen mark O'Sullivan out of a game was Cormac McAnallen (in the 2003 All Ireland semi-final) and back then Declan would have been only 19 and playing at full forward. He's so skilful and direct; the only way you can really stop him is by fouling him. It just annoyed me that after that game in Omagh he wouldn't shake my hand, that he just walked off. But maybe thats a sign of how much he just hated being beat. Maybe he's a bit like me that way because I always hated losing too. The next time we meet it could be awkward because of what I wrote but it's what I thought and felt at the time. I can't take away from the man's football."
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Post by Seoirse Ui Duic on Apr 7, 2013 8:32:46 GMT
I don't get what he means about the reception in Killarney last year though: it was a nice sunny day, there was music everywhere, people were enjoying themselves, there was a few drinks being drink; there was a festival atmosphere in and around the stadium and I don't think a single Tyrone supporter or player was made to feel unwelcome. I don't mean to pick a fight but you said yourself that you'd never felt so much anger as during that game! I remember it because I thought at the time it was an odd thing to say. True but that was during the game. It was the intensity of the game and the history gone before. It was a do or die game and I think every person in the stadium picked up on that, Tyrone and Kerry alike. It was not aggression towards Tyrone people though. Before and after the game I just had a few drinks and enjoyed the music. I had to take the train back after the game together with a lot of Tyrone people and there was no animosity there either. But yes, during the game I was very emotional. Can't explain it but I guess it was the nature of the game. For both teams it was a game they had to win, for both teams it was a continuation of a healthy rivalry. The media hyped the game up to something like the final decider or the ultimate game, which in retrospect it wasn't. I think we were all dragged into it by the media just as we are now. I sure that some will read McGuigan's comments and think they will have to give Kerry people a very hostile welcome. It's like the report last year by the chairman when he obviously felt unsafe in Killarney. I'm sure that some that thoroughly enjoyed themselves in Killarney that day decided to pick up on that and think they were unsafe. It's what the media does best. It's the same with Cork Kerry games but with a lot less people buying it. I've had people that never watched a single game in their lives come up to me before the Cork Kerry game and making comments about Kerry ******* and how Kerry were going to get it. The real supporters though didn't do that at all. Living in Cork I always joke around with the Cork crowd.banter, no more, no less. There's always some muppets though. When I was living in Belfast I had people coming up to me asking me who I think would win, but also people shouting in my face about Kerry going to be destroyed. I don't seethe latter kind of people as real supporters and they rarely are. The people that found it necessary to shout comments during the recent Finuge Cookstown game weren't real supporters either. The fight at the Dromid Derrytresk game was also regrettable but in my opinion not started by real supporters. All these things add fuel to the fire though and the media feel like they need to hype it up even more. There have been incidents in. Tyrone as well during county league games and I think that might have something to do with it too. I hope today's game will be a good game but the way it is hyped at te moment and with comments like McGuigan's I doubt it. It could escalate things even further. I have to admit, and so much is probably clear from my comments, that I don't like the way Tyrone play, but I also respect them and I do admit it is effective. I recently read Harte's book and his philosophy is refreshing, I hate it and can't agree with it, but the man stands for what he believes in and I respect that. Same like I respect Billy Morgan. I don't like the northern style of football and never will, but regardless of Spillane's comments I also have to admit that Kerry have tried to copy it. I think that is wrong and Kerry need to do their own thing, use their own style. Okay, rant over now. Time to have breakfast and prepare for a game that could decide Kerry's season.
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Post by martin on Apr 7, 2013 11:17:36 GMT
The irony is, Mr Keane, that biased garbage like this won't do much to help the ceasefire. Talk about deluded self importance. delorean, I guess this is what you refer to as garbage: "Tyrone beat us in two All-Irelands by playing better football. We have no excuses, but the tactic of 'getting in Kerry's faces' has been used by most teams in recent years. 'Getting in faces' is a term of art often used by apologists as a euphemism for on-field intimidation. But then if Kerry retaliate, we're accused of turning our back on the noble tradition of turning the other cheek. We tried for a while to be white rabbits and tigers at the same time. It's not possible, even in 'Alice in Wonderland'. Refs don the black cap when it comes to Kerry crimes. We're high profile and suffer accordingly. The cynics win every time." He has hit the nail on the head as far as I'm concerned. Not surprised though that people from other counties see it differently, especially our main rivals. Unfortunately success breeds hatred in present day Ireland and Kerry's is the prime example of this where inter county football is concerned. I watched the '11 All Ireland in a pub in NY and the roof almost lifted when Dublin scored the goal. People from "neutral" counties celebrated into the wee hours of the morning as if their own county had won. There were grins on faces that never existed before. The Dubs to their credit were very gracious in victory. Sure were are biased in Kerry, all supporters from every walk of life are. Will you tell me honestly that you were not biased against Kerry when reading Billy Keane's article?
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Post by MrRasherstoyou on Apr 7, 2013 12:01:26 GMT
I like reading Billy Keane's articles, even though they tend to view everything from a very local perspective. Con Houlihan did it at times but kept things in a more balanced mode, his style was appropriate and always very fair, often written with a very respectful understanding of other counties' and nationalities' feelings and culture. I think that sometimes Billy romanticises things from a local perspective a bit too much considering he is writing for a national newspaper and gets away with it. He writes sometimes more like a fan, which is fine for a local newspaper. But in his favour, he is being very honest about what he believes. I also think Brian McGuigan is being quite arch in throwing in comments that will clearly wind things up, whilst then saying all the nice stuff. His last comment about Declan O'Sullivan is being a little couched - nobody would say you could "take from his football", but he has besmirched his character, which is taking things to another level.
Of course he is not the only one to have done it. Billy Keane says "it's a game, not a war", but in fact Billy knows as well as anyone that sport at the highest levels IS something of a war, and the warriors are needed and the tactical manoevres used, just as much as the ball. If Brian remains unhappy with the handshake issue then he should just say that, or keep quiet. If he's contrite or regrets what he said, then he could make a phonecall. There was quite a bit of animosity between Cork and Meath players in the late 80s and early 90s. It only ended when that era ended. A death in someone's family apparently brought them all together. It doesn't seemed to have resolved things, yet, in this case. I'm sure it will settle down sooner rather than later.
Hope it's a great game today, safe travelling for everyone.
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Post by townend on Apr 7, 2013 13:29:13 GMT
as the late great Paidi would say.............lets go and get theses Hoors...........
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Post by Seoirse Ui Duic on Apr 7, 2013 14:13:41 GMT
What do Tyrone people have against grass?
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Post by kingdomkerry on Apr 7, 2013 14:19:20 GMT
Playing great stuff. Best this year. Gooch very suited to the 40
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Post by Chinatown on Apr 7, 2013 14:20:34 GMT
Is that sand popping up, doubt the sod is that arid...jasus ky are flying touch wood
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Post by lorr29 on Apr 7, 2013 14:38:19 GMT
Following from overseas once again can't get Radio Kerry so twitter and forum keeping me updated. Kerry sound like they are finally clicking into place, would love to be there ❤💚💛 looking forward as always to post match analysis this forum is a lifesaver when your away from home
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Post by peanuts on Apr 7, 2013 14:42:24 GMT
Great 1st half perormance. Keep it up lads.
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Post by dart on Apr 7, 2013 14:44:09 GMT
Tomás O Sé's goal came from a Tyrone kick-out followed by 9 passes (two foot passes), it would be brilliant if it was in the summer and the opposition actually cared.
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Post by Chinatown on Apr 7, 2013 14:44:12 GMT
Mr joe on tweet land.....@joebrolly1993: Cooper at no.11 a master stroke. Controlling the attack with great subtlety. Tomas O'Se and co revelling in it. Could've had four goals
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Post by Chinatown on Apr 7, 2013 14:46:53 GMT
With Kerry beating Tyrone and Mayo losing, here's the table, as it stands. #gaa t.co/82F6K10gEv
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