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Post by An Bradán on Mar 31, 2013 23:13:33 GMT
If management looking at Gooch on the 40 i presume thats where Johnathon Lyne comes to give an athletic covering option.
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Post by Dermot on Apr 2, 2013 9:27:10 GMT
Honestly no, they all hurt as bad!!!! You torment yourself with what could have been. If anything the one point defeats are worse because every small thing annoys you!!! 2011 is the most frustrating defeat i've ever seen, won't get over it until we win another one!!! I don't like ranking final defeats but if I had to rank them in terms of which were worst, I would go as follows. 1. 2011 2. 2002 3. 2008 4. 2005 Having said that, they all hurt like hell but the narrow losses do leave you with a lot more what ifs. A lot of the Tyrone Kerry thing is media driven. The media loves a rivalry as it generates a lot of hype and allows for a lot of lazy journalism. There is no doubt also that this media hype has effected people in both counties especially the less rational folk. Ah behave Falvey ... Are you really trying to say the Tyrone defeats didnt annoy you more than the ones to Dublin & Armagh .. Remember Ive been on this site for years .. Ye cant kid a kidder Honestly no, they all hurt as bad!!!! You torment yourself with what could have been. If anything the one point defeats are worse because every small thing annoys you!!! 2011 is the most frustrating defeat i've ever seen, won't get over it until we win another one!!! And i don't believe kerry are angels for one minute, just that tyrone have had more players causing the problems we have. Darragh o se mentioned it in his article after the game last year, that mickey hasn't eradicated it Yeah I can see where you're coming from here but I guess Im a little surprised !! I would hope that the current animosity (for whatever reasons) between Tyrone & Kerry subsides and at least doesn't get any worse as its good for neither of us I think !! We all can have a bit of banter and craic on here and it will do no harm but its not a good thing for the terrace or the field!! As for next weeks match ... Id expect Kerry to win as you need it more than we do and Im not sure we have the backs to stop cooper & co !!
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Post by clancarre on Apr 2, 2013 10:10:30 GMT
Dermot, lots of new names on Tyrone team How many of 04, 08, 10 minor teams have come through?
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Post by townend on Apr 2, 2013 21:36:03 GMT
1982 still have nightmares about it, i came home in my uncles car and not a word was said the whole way home. it was a good offaly team all the same with some great players on it the Connors the Lowrys, Furlong was class and Johnny Mooney had a bit of class about him.
the weird thing about 1982 was my father brother was home from Boston and went to the final he had been in the states for years, and you know the last final he was at before 82, you guess it 1972 replay when offaly hammer kerry, told my father i'd never go to another final with him.
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Post by exiled on Apr 2, 2013 22:04:16 GMT
I often wonder what are all these outsiders doing on the kerry forum. I only post on 2 forums and the other is where i've lived for 20 years and my kids play GAA. I presume its some sort of backhanded compliment. There is not much of it in other counties.
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Post by exiled on Apr 2, 2013 22:14:22 GMT
As for bad defeats it has to be 1982 for my generation. As i sat in the Red Parrot [ feeling as sick as one] after the match my pint of Harp sat untouched for nearly an hour, and for me that is an Olympic feat. My vocabulary at matches has changed since that day and is now peppered with phrases like , a Darby type nudge, a Darby moment etc.
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Post by dart on Apr 2, 2013 22:34:49 GMT
1982 still have nightmares about it, i came home in my uncles car and not a word was said the whole way home... 2001 hammering to Meath and the 2011 final were the only two to leave us speechless all the way home.
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Post by townend on Apr 3, 2013 0:36:17 GMT
As for bad defeats it has to be 1982 for my generation. As i sat in the Red Parrot [ feeling as sick as one] after the match my pint of Harp sat untouched for nearly an hour, and for me that is an Olympic feat. My vocabulary at matches has changed since that day and is now peppered with phrases like , a Darby type nudge, a Darby moment etc. i used to say the same myself, but you know something the more i looked at it the more i think Tommy Doyle missed the flight of the ball that day and Darby got the break behind him. also i think Kerry put to many behind the ball that day, blank defence was alive and well in 82 as well. offaly got a few soft frees to near the end, but also the pen was soft enough that we got, i think furlongs save drove offaly on to win it more so than Darbys last minute goal, as if the pen went in we were i think 7 points up. we could never shake them off in 82, we need a goal like jackos in 81 but remember back to 81 final was it Gerry Carroll hit the crossbar before Jacko's goal if that had to go in and jacko's didn't we wouldn't have been talking about 5 in-a-row its all ifs and buts.
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Post by glengael on Apr 3, 2013 8:31:03 GMT
I'm guessing that we won't have a team named til Friday?
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Post by Sons of Pitches on Apr 3, 2013 15:58:37 GMT
Do you need to purchase tickets beforehand?
What's the expected crowd?
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Post by lár na páirce on Apr 3, 2013 16:09:25 GMT
Do you need to purchase tickets beforehand? What's the expected crowd? I Have a season ticket if you want
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Post by Dermot on Apr 3, 2013 16:13:07 GMT
Dermot, lots of new names on Tyrone team How many of 04, 08, 10 minor teams have come through? Hi Clancarre, Aye a good few have but more havent !! 2010 would be Ronan O'Neill & McCurry. 2008 - K Coney, P McNeice, M Donnelly & Ronan McNabb (not sure if hes still on panel) 2004 - A Cassidy, PJ Quinn (not sure if hes still on panel), Cathal McCaron, Colm Cavanagh & Raymond Mulgrew ... He was a brilliant minor but never really slotted into the seniors .. He's just back from Oz and apparently came on and played well in the second half for cookstown against finuge ... He was a great player and Id love to see him given another run at the seniors ... So as far as im aware he's not on the panel yet but that will hopefully change. Im sure im missing loads
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Post by tyroneperson on Apr 3, 2013 16:48:34 GMT
Also Peter Harte from the 08 team and Conor Clarke from the 2010 team. I don't think McCurray was on the 2010 team, maybe he wasn't the right age.
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Post by clancarre on Apr 3, 2013 17:14:16 GMT
Just wondering if physical conditioning had a lot to do with those minor successes. Many experts in Kerry say this is the way to go, but I still feel we should try and identify the skillful footballer and the physical conditioning can come later. Cooper and Galvin were only little lads as minors, and from what I can recall the Tyrone minor teams of 1997 1998 and 2001 had an abundance of very skilful footballers.
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Post by tyroneperson on Apr 3, 2013 17:55:31 GMT
Personally I don't really think that's the case. The likes of Peter Harte and Ronan O'Neill aren't big guys. I think Mattie Donnelly took a year out after in 2011 to basically bulk up/prepare for the senior team. Coney was a very talented minor too. I'd have hope that those guys have successful inter-county careers though the 1997/98 team was probably a bit of a freak. I mean, the recent minor team teams were still probably better conditioned than Kerry's but I wouldn't say they were any bigger or stronger than the Cork minor team of 2010 or the Mayo team of 2008.
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Post by MrRasherstoyou on Apr 3, 2013 18:10:25 GMT
02,08and 11 would be the ones I felt got away. Things seemed to be going fine until marsden caught a kick out and as they say the rest is history. We missed far too many chances to get away with it in 08, yet if it wasn't for the save from Declan we were 2 up with time nearly over, inches. 11 was the worst though, you can take losing a game but when the ref has such a big influence on a game and you're on the receiving end of it it's hard to take Totally agree. '11 was the worst by a country mile. Higher forces were mad for a Dublin win that day, that an a combination of complacency undid us. It's nice of you to aknowledge we had God on our team that day ;D Agree about complacency. But neither complacency, nor higher forces did the following - scored the goal; played as well as Diarmuid Connolly did in the last 10 minutes; stuck over a score from play from 45 metres to level the game; stuck over a score from a difficult angle and surrounded by Kerry backs to take the lead; lacked the conviction to go for more scores (Donaghy excepted) in the last few minutes; stuck over a 43metre free to win the game. The rest is all conjecture. The game ebbed and flowed with both sides having periods of dominance clearly identifiable. Kerry were unlucky not to have got the draw. I think that the discussion about how to use Colm Cooper is central to the way that Kerry will play this year. IMO it has to be a role further out with license to roam and as part of a much more direct, counter attacking approach that cuts out alot of the ponderous possession-holding stuff. As a result, he may score less, but he will have more impact overall as play-maker and team link-man and leader. Kerry pride themselves on having the most skillful footballers - they will need to make much more use of dynamic kick-passing than they have done in the past 3 years.
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Post by mozzy on Apr 3, 2013 18:16:14 GMT
Anyone have idea of what team should be for Sunday ?
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Post by MrRasherstoyou on Apr 3, 2013 19:11:43 GMT
And one last thing - if Kerry get a result in this game and avoid relegation, it will I believe come to be of much more meaning/value than last year's qualifier
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Post by buck02 on Apr 3, 2013 19:47:14 GMT
Which is why I might skip the invitation for a cuppa and sandwich in Garvaghey (or opportunity to shown-off their new facilities) and get in and out of dodge as fast as possible. Its a genuine pity you feel like that !! So Dermot do your bit for Northern Ireland tourism so. Where would you recommend to have food and a drink before the match. And is Gervaghey out of the way if we do decide to take up the opportunity for Tyrone to show off their new HQ to us Kerry folk?
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Post by lár na páirce on Apr 3, 2013 21:49:35 GMT
Anyone have idea of what team should be for Sunday ? My stab at it would be Kealy Marc Griffin Enright Tómas Killian Maguire Maher Brosnan Galvin Buckley Donnacha Gooch Star Declan Subs to come from Darran Jonathan Lyne James O D Crowley Aidan O Mahoney Sheehan I would guess at this side as we probably will play 3 in the middle Buckley alongside the centre field men With Declan & Gooch alternating between a 2 man full forward line and centre forward. Don't think any of the backs could be dropped on there last few performances but Brosnan needs game time. Also Jonathan and Donnacha are like for like players so one has to go but neither deserve to on recent form I think the few subs i have named could have the potential to change a game if brought on
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Post by Chinatown on Apr 4, 2013 10:52:49 GMT
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Post by Dermot on Apr 4, 2013 11:51:29 GMT
Also Peter Harte from the 08 team and Conor Clarke from the 2010 team. I don't think McCurray was on the 2010 team, maybe he wasn't the right age. Yes thats true .. How the hell did I forget about those 2 .. Harte in particular lol I thought McCurry was on the panel for the 2010 minors .. Maybe not !! I hope some of these guys start to really perform in the championship this year .. We'll see !!
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Post by Deleted on Apr 4, 2013 13:10:09 GMT
Totally agree. '11 was the worst by a country mile. Higher forces were mad for a Dublin win that day, that an a combination of complacency undid us. It's nice of you to aknowledge we had God on our team that day ;D Agree about complacency. But neither complacency, nor higher forces did the following - scored the goal; played as well as Diarmuid Connolly did in the last 10 minutes; stuck over a score from play from 45 metres to level the game; stuck over a score from a difficult angle and surrounded by Kerry backs to take the lead; lacked the conviction to go for more scores (Donaghy excepted) in the last few minutes; stuck over a 43metre free to win the game. The rest is all conjecture. The game ebbed and flowed with both sides having periods of dominance clearly identifiable. Kerry were unlucky not to have got the draw. I think that the discussion about how to use Colm Cooper is central to the way that Kerry will play this year. IMO it has to be a role further out with license to roam and as part of a much more direct, counter attacking approach that cuts out alot of the ponderous possession-holding stuff. As a result, he may score less, but he will have more impact overall as play-maker and team link-man and leader. Kerry pride themselves on having the most skillful footballers - they will need to make much more use of dynamic kick-passing than they have done in the past 3 years. We were robbed! But in fairness we should have seen it out and Dublin took their chance when it was presented to them. So crredit where it's due. Beating Tyrone last year in the champ was just a monkey the Kerry team needed to get off even their backs. It was a form of catharsis for both team and fans. IMO It'd still rate as being more important than next week.
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Post by Dermot on Apr 4, 2013 13:27:09 GMT
Its a genuine pity you feel like that !! So Dermot do your bit for Northern Ireland tourism so. Where would you recommend to have food and a drink before the match. And is Gervaghey out of the way if we do decide to take up the opportunity for Tyrone to show off their new HQ to us Kerry folk? Well Buck to be honest I never eat in Omagh or stay over after the match as I live only about 45 minutes away and dont normally spend any time there at all .. There's places like the silver birch hotel or Sallys but Id say just follow the crowd for food & drink ... Most Tyronies I know just head home after the match !! As far visiting Garvaghey .. Its about 10 miles or so away from Omagh and depending on what way your going to the match you may actually be going past it anyway (I think !!) The Garvaghey centre is just outside Ballygawley ... If you're going up the Ballygawley line you will see it accross the road from Kelly's Inn .. You could have a beer there too I suppose !!
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Post by bouncingsoul on Apr 4, 2013 20:00:53 GMT
Tyrone team for Sunday:
1 Niall Morgan Éadan na dTorc 2 Aidan McCrory Aireagal Chiaráin 3 Justin McMahon An Omaigh 4 Cathal McCarron An Droim Mór 5 Ryan McKenna Eaglais 6 Joe McMahon An Omaigh 7 Ronan McNamee Achadh Uí Aráin 8 Colm Cavanagh An Mhaigh 9 Sean Cavanagh An Mhaigh 10 Patrick McNiece Oileán a’Ghuail 11 Peter Harte Aireagal Chiaráin 12 Mark Donnelly An Charraig Mhór 13 Darren McCurry Éadán na dTorc 14 Stephen O’Neill Clann na nGael 15 Ronan O’Neill An Omaigh 16 Pascal McConnell An Baile Nua 17 Conor Clarke An Omaigh 18 Matthew Donnelly Trí Leac 19 Conor Gormley An Charraig Mhór 20 Conan Grugan An Omaigh 21 Plunkett Kane Oileán a’Ghuail 22 Connor McAliskey Cluain Eo 23 Tiernan McCann Coill an Chlochair 24 Ciaran McGinley Aireagal Chiaráin 25 Michael Murphy An Gallbhaile 26 Martin Penrose An Charraig Mhór
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Post by Dermot on Apr 5, 2013 9:55:19 GMT
Tyrone team for Sunday: 1 Niall Morgan Éadan na dTorc 2 Aidan McCrory Aireagal Chiaráin 3 Justin McMahon An Omaigh 4 Cathal McCarron An Droim Mór 5 Ryan McKenna Eaglais 6 Joe McMahon An Omaigh 7 Ronan McNamee Achadh Uí Aráin 8 Colm Cavanagh An Mhaigh 9 Sean Cavanagh An Mhaigh 10 Patrick McNiece Oileán a’Ghuail 11 Peter Harte Aireagal Chiaráin 12 Mark Donnelly An Charraig Mhór 13 Darren McCurry Éadán na dTorc 14 Stephen O’Neill Clann na nGael 15 Ronan O’Neill An Omaigh 16 Pascal McConnell An Baile Nua 17 Conor Clarke An Omaigh 18 Matthew Donnelly Trí Leac 19 Conor Gormley An Charraig Mhór 20 Conan Grugan An Omaigh 21 Plunkett Kane Oileán a’Ghuail 22 Connor McAliskey Cluain Eo 23 Tiernan McCann Coill an Chlochair 24 Ciaran McGinley Aireagal Chiaráin 25 Michael Murphy An Gallbhaile 26 Martin Penrose An Charraig Mhór Im glad to see Justin McMahon back in the fold ... I hope he's fit and stays that way for the year as he hasnt had a good run since 2008.. If he gets into form and doesnt get injured he'll make a fair difference to our defense & attack !! Its a very young forward line but Im happy that Mickey is trying these young lads out ..... Looking forward to the game now !!
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Post by kerryeye on Apr 5, 2013 12:09:00 GMT
The Kerry team is: 1.Brendan Kealy (Kilcummin) 2.Marc Ó Sé (An Gaeltacht) 3.Mark Griffin (St Michaels/Foilemore) 4.Shane Enright (Tarbert) 5.Tomás Ó Sé (An Gaeltacht) 6.Eoin Brosnan (Dr Crokes) (Capt) 7.Killian Young (Renard) 8.Anthony Maher (Duagh) 9.Johnny Buckley (Dr Crokes) 10.Jonathan Lyne (Killarney Legion) 11.Colm Cooper (Dr Crokes) 12.Paul Galvin (Finuge) 13.Declan O’Sullivan (Dromid Pearses) 14.Kieran Donaghy (Austin Stacks) 15.Darran O’Sullivan (Glenbeigh/Glencar) 16.Brian Kelly (Killarney Legion) 17.Donnchadh Walsh (Cromane) 18.Kieran O’Leary (Dr Crokes) 19.Brian McGuire (Listowel Emmetts) 20.Fionn Fitzgerald (Dr Crokes) 21.Peter Crowley (Laune Rangers) 22.James O’Donoghue (Killarney Legion) 23.Bryan Sheehan (St Marys) 24.Patrick Curtin (Moyvane) 25.Jack Sherwood (Firies) 26. Michael Geaney (Dingle
That wont be far off our championship team.Looking forward to the game on Sunday.I expect us to win by 3-4 points with the team we have out.
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Post by ruralgaa on Apr 5, 2013 12:09:06 GMT
1.Brendan Kealy (Kilcummin) 2.Marc Ó Sé (An Gaeltacht) 3.Mark Griffin (St Michaels/Foilemore) 4.Shane Enright (Tarbert) 5.Tomás Ó Sé (An Gaeltacht) 6.Eoin Brosnan (Dr Crokes) (Capt) 7.Killian Young (Renard) 8.Anthony Maher (Duagh) 9.Johnny Buckley (Dr Crokes) 10.Jonathan Lyne (Killarney Legion) 11.Colm Cooper (Dr Crokes) 12.Paul Galvin (Finuge) 13.Declan O’Sullivan (Dromid Pearses) 14.Kieran Donaghy (Austin Stacks) 15.Darran O’Sullivan (Glenbeigh/Glencar) 16.Brian Kelly (Killarney Legion) 17.Donnchadh Walsh (Cromane) 18.Kieran O’Leary (Dr Crokes) 19.Brian McGuire (Listowel Emmetts) 20.Fionn Fitzgerald (Dr Crokes) 21.Peter Crowley (Laune Rangers) 22.James O’Donoghue (Killarney Legion) 23.Bryan Sheehan (St Marys) 24.Patrick Curtin (Moyvane) 25.Jack Sherwood (Firies) 26. Michael Geaney (Dingle)
Beaten to it by a few seconds!
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Post by whitefire on Apr 5, 2013 12:24:30 GMT
Strong team, looks very like what we might see come championship.
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Post by The16thMan on Apr 5, 2013 13:20:10 GMT
Glad to see Colm in the center forward position. Interesting to see how he gets on. At least if its not working for him we can always swap him with Declan
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