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Post by Dermot on Mar 29, 2013 14:40:20 GMT
I'm sure it annoyed the Kerry players to lose the finals but no more than the ones lost to Armagh or Dublin. Ah behave Falvey ... Are you really trying to say the Tyrone defeats didnt annoy you more than the ones to Dublin & Armagh .. Remember Ive been on this site for years .. Ye cant kid a kidder
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Post by Seoirse Ui Duic on Mar 29, 2013 14:53:34 GMT
"Those who wish to travel should contact Martin Leane at (068) 48116, John King at (066) 7124229 or Donie O’Leary at (064) 58099" From an old Kerry's Eye, but the same people are still involved and should be able to sort you out You wouldn't have the number would you so I can chance it? Sorry Seoirse I don't. I've looked at an old edition of the Kerryman that I have here and there's no contact numbers there either. I'm sure someone on here may have the numbers and may be able to help you out. Thanks lads will try my luck
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Post by Seoirse Ui Duic on Mar 29, 2013 14:59:58 GMT
The bus and the hotel are full. Will have to find an alternative now. Can we not just force Tyrone to play the game in Tralee? ;D
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Post by delorean on Mar 29, 2013 15:31:54 GMT
In Championship showdowns in Croker it's been Kerry every time. 2002 - semi final 2005 semi-final 2006 - semi final 2007 final 2008 semi final 2009 final Cheers for that fitzwop
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Post by fitz on Mar 29, 2013 15:39:47 GMT
LOL - fair play delorean, respect.
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Post by fitz on Mar 29, 2013 15:54:19 GMT
Is it using "BlockQuote" that you can snapshot parts of previous posts in replies?
In lieu of that answer, I'd agree with Dermot, just in terms of being realistic. There is no way the sting of losing to Armagh equates to the 3 defeats by Tyrone, plus to win convincingly in 06 with 14 men dilutes a lot of the sting from 02 IMO. Of course it was still a tough one. The loss to the Dubs focusing on any of the 5 games from a filtered view of "on the day" was the worst of the lot, by a mile. There was only 7... ;D - can opener anyone?
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Post by falveyb2k on Mar 29, 2013 19:37:33 GMT
I'm sure it annoyed the Kerry players to lose the finals but no more than the ones lost to Armagh or Dublin. Ah behave Falvey ... Are you really trying to say the Tyrone defeats didnt annoy you more than the ones to Dublin & Armagh .. Remember Ive been on this site for years .. Ye cant kid a kidder Honestly no, they all hurt as bad!!!! You torment yourself with what could have been. If anything the one point defeats are worse because every small thing annoys you!!! 2011 is the most frustrating defeat i've ever seen, won't get over it until we win another one!!! And i don't believe kerry are angels for one minute, just that tyrone have had more players causing the problems we have. Darragh o se mentioned it in his article after the game last year, that mickey hasn't eradicated it
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Post by Deleted on Mar 29, 2013 20:35:45 GMT
Ah behave Falvey ... Are you really trying to say the Tyrone defeats didnt annoy you more than the ones to Dublin & Armagh .. Remember Ive been on this site for years .. Ye cant kid a kidder Honestly no, they all hurt as bad!!!! You torment yourself with what could have been. If anything the one point defeats are worse because every small thing annoys you!!! 2011 is the most frustrating defeat i've ever seen, won't get over it until we win another one!!! I don't like ranking final defeats but if I had to rank them in terms of which were worst, I would go as follows. 1. 2011 2. 2002 3. 2008 4. 2005 Having said that, they all hurt like hell but the narrow losses do leave you with a lot more what ifs. A lot of the Tyrone Kerry thing is media driven. The media loves a rivalry as it generates a lot of hype and allows for a lot of lazy journalism. There is no doubt also that this media hype has effected people in both counties especially the less rational folk.
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Post by Ard Mhacha on Mar 29, 2013 21:04:02 GMT
What I'm pointing out is that we've lost more games to Cork than Tyrone,02/06/08/09/12 in the last decade or so but we still have a healthy rivalry with them. No spitting,biting,sledging or off the ball antics. Kerry took their beatings, wished Tyrone well on their victories and came back the year after every defeat to win more all irelands. I'm sure it annoyed the Kerry players to lose the finals but no more than the ones lost to Armagh or Dublin. But the media love a story and the Kerry Tyrone saga gave a narrative that I don't think was entirely accurate. Apparently Jack came back only to win one game against Tyrone, not to win All Irelands!!!!!! Have to agree with that. The Armagh game cos we threw it away and especially 2011 where we were simply robbed. Those two still rankle, the others - no particular complaints. Don't we get any credit for a great second half comeback? Kerry were limited to only 3 points in that second half
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Post by southward on Mar 29, 2013 23:27:33 GMT
Fair enough Ard Mhaca, credit indeed to your lads. Fine side and the surprise is that ye didn't win more. However I did feel we were cruising in that first half and stepped off the gas a bit at half-time, whereas Armagh stepped it up. The reverse was probably true in 2006. Neither game, though, was a patch on the 2000 draw & replay- 2 of the most exciting games I've ever seen.
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Post by falveyb2k on Mar 29, 2013 23:50:58 GMT
Any of the 4 games against Armagh could have swung either way, 2 well matched teams
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Post by Ard Mhacha on Mar 30, 2013 0:13:41 GMT
Fair enough Ard Mhaca, credit indeed to your lads. Fine side and the surprise is that ye didn't win more. However I did feel we were cruising in that first half and stepped off the gas a bit at half-time, whereas Armagh stepped it up. The reverse was probably true in 2006. Neither game, though, was a patch on the 2000 draw & replay- 2 of the most exciting games I've ever seen. We were in a decent position at half time in 2006, but Kerry stepped it up in the second half. We couldn't live with them. Simple as that. As you say, the reverse happened in 2002. The 2000 semis were great games, I agree. We were so close the first day. Maurice Fitzgerald broke our hearts. He really did. And in the replay too. That semi in 2000 and Tyrone semi in 05 were heartbreaking. I know we won it in 2002, and as you say, we probably could and should have won more. But getting beat by a single score is harder to take than a 7 or 8 point defeat. The 2006 QF defeat was a bit easier to take because Kerry were the better team. 2000 and 2005 were the ones that got away.
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Post by falveyb2k on Mar 30, 2013 0:36:29 GMT
02,08and 11 would be the ones I felt got away. Things seemed to be going fine until marsden caught a kick out and as they say the rest is history. We missed far too many chances to get away with it in 08, yet if it wasn't for the save from Declan we were 2 up with time nearly over, inches. 11 was the worst though, you can take losing a game but when the ref has such a big influence on a game and you're on the receiving end of it it's hard to take
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Post by sullyschoice on Mar 30, 2013 14:40:11 GMT
Honestly no, they all hurt as bad!!!! You torment yourself with what could have been. If anything the one point defeats are worse because every small thing annoys you!!! 2011 is the most frustrating defeat i've ever seen, won't get over it until we win another one!!! I don't like ranking final defeats but if I had to rank them in terms of which were worst, I would go as follows. 1. 2011 2. 2002 3. 2008 4. 2005 Having said that, they all hurt like hell but the narrow losses do leave you with a lot more what ifs. A lot of the Tyrone Kerry thing is media driven. The media loves a rivalry as it generates a lot of hype and allows for a lot of lazy journalism. There is no doubt also that this media hype has effected people in both counties especially the less rational folk. 1982 2011 2008
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Post by MrRasherstoyou on Mar 30, 2013 14:55:52 GMT
02,08and 11 would be the ones I felt got away. Things seemed to be going fine until marsden caught a kick out and as they say the rest is history. We missed far too many chances to get away with it in 08, yet if it wasn't for the save from Declan we were 2 up with time nearly over, inches. 11 was the worst though, you can take losing a game but when the ref has such a big influence on a game and you're on the receiving end of it it's hard to take I know, 2007 semi-final springs to mind. The close defeats that have killed me the most down the years apart from that one were certainly the final Vs Down in 1994, so much possession and chances wasted, and the mad tactic of putting Paul Curran on Micky Linden. I'll go so far as to say if Paddy Moran had been put on Micky that day the All-I was our's. The Kildare Leinster Final defeat of 2000, 8 points up at one stage, conceded 2 goals straight after half-time. The Mayo All-I semi defeat of 2006 - 'nuff said! The Cork semi in 2010. Couple of very dodgy ref & linesman decisions and defensive madness. Watching Cork knock over free after free after free, soul-destroying stuff in a game where Dublin played so well for so long and kicked some great scores from play. Probably should have won that All-I. Funnily enough the one-point, free back off the upright defeat to Armagh in the 2002 semi didn't hurt as bad, felt we were on a bonus run that year, hadnt expected to reach an All-I. That said all the hype about a possible Kerry-Dublin final (Kerry as usual had played their semi first so didn't have to deal with that) did really bug me, there was no playing it down. The 1993 semi defeat to Derry was bitterly disappointing as once again a good lead was lost very late in the game, a last-minute kick far out from a back won it for Derry, and it followed on the bitter disappointment of losing the 1992 final when the hype ruined everything for me. That in turn followed on the worst ever narrow defeat that I still have nightmares about today - the Meath saga in 1991. That one defeat above all else makes me never want to lose to them ever again, no matter how bad they might be. Last year's semi wasn't the worst of the many, many narrow semi-final defeats in the last decade or so. But it certainly adds to the bad legacy!
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Post by southward on Mar 30, 2013 15:29:13 GMT
Those 1991 games were some saga. Dublin had loads of chances to win the tie. Hard to believe it's 22 years ago, and that it was only round 1 of Leinster. No back door then of course, so the Dubs were out. They had a good side then too and could have gone a long way.
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Post by mozzy on Mar 30, 2013 15:36:12 GMT
Regarding the game - what should the line out be ? Also what is the status of David Moran is he coming back into the team - I would love to see him in center with Maher Sheehan on one wing with Buckley on the other and Declan Center forward ....
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Post by kerrygold on Mar 30, 2013 19:15:50 GMT
Cant see David Moran being rushed back into the team until he is ready.
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Post by falveyb2k on Mar 30, 2013 20:34:38 GMT
Moran is out for two weeks with a shoulder injury, a real pity as the training in Portugal would have been a boost to him
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Post by fitz on Mar 30, 2013 20:34:52 GMT
David Moran did a full warm up against Kildare, looked well. Poor Colm O's injury will have mind tricks for David to tackle, he played club match the week Down were down I think. Gradual is spot on, Kerins O is nowhere near inter county. Small sub intros for the season I'd say. Mozzy, Bucker and Bryan on the wings?As the Bull Mick Daly would say, "Are ya f****n joakin me loyke?" Midfield or nowhere for both. Fielding, scavenging, tackling,play making not really the traits of a winger, speed absolutely. The two boys are gallopers rather than gazelles. Hard to argue with Dec at centre forward though, although I think Dazzy needs to play there to optmise his role in the team. It's the place he can reak most havoc. Declan can play any forward position. He's just that good. We need to make some astute calibration of the forwards to win next week, and goals there from
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Post by kerrygold on Mar 30, 2013 20:57:34 GMT
Don't see why Dec should be an automatic selection at 11, he is possibly the best ball winner inside on the full forward line on the Kerry panel. So could the Gooch change his game to play the channels all day on the forty? I listened to a member of the Crokes today, on the radio, claim that Colm is the best forward of his generation in Kerry. Seems Lazy and throwaway in terms of analysis?
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Post by An Bradán on Mar 30, 2013 22:09:01 GMT
Mozzy you're off the head...sorry but it's true. Midfield will be from any three of Anto M., Bucko, Bryan S. David Moran should be given every chance to make a full and complete recovery at a sensible pace. Sure we're all the same Mozzy...everybody in Kerry would love to see him back for good but patience please. Those three guys in contention for midfield berths are best employed at midfield and nowhere else. Pllllllleeeeeeeeeaaaaaase best players for best position and team balance...not a Kerry all star selection. I don't care if Fitzy plays Mongo from Blazing Saddles if it's right for our team and fit for purpose.
By the way anyone stopping for tae at the Tyrone centre of beating Kerry.
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Post by An Bradán on Mar 30, 2013 22:12:15 GMT
Kerrygold and Fitzwop for selectors
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Post by fitz on Mar 31, 2013 9:17:56 GMT
Backs and Forwards coach is the way forward. Scouts for selector advisory roles and talent spotting. Shortlist and manager and coaches review. Manager decides solely.No selectors on line, anymore - IMO.It's fair point on Dec Kerrygold, but our half fwd line has been obliterated in the league so it does need re-enforcement. Gooch is an option, well able to win own ball, could push Dazzy to wing. Indeed swapping Dec and Gooch in and out looks a good fit. Dec at half forward would be better driving at opposition, Gooch better linking and pocket passing.
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Post by An Ciarraíoch Taistealaíoch on Mar 31, 2013 15:53:57 GMT
I don't doubt that Tyrone were the better team on the day, a lot of things happened though that left a sour taste Yeah, like us winning and the fact we won the 2 AI finals against Kerry didnt make things even worse I presume Some folk just cant accept getting repeatedly beaten by as JOC said himself .. The "Nouveau riche" And btw .. Im not saying we're angles ... I just wont accept you and/or others claiming that for Kerry either Dermot,I always thought you were a bit obtuse but it appears the problem is more acute than I had previously realised!! ;D
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Post by Deleted on Mar 31, 2013 16:00:16 GMT
02,08and 11 would be the ones I felt got away. Things seemed to be going fine until marsden caught a kick out and as they say the rest is history. We missed far too many chances to get away with it in 08, yet if it wasn't for the save from Declan we were 2 up with time nearly over, inches. 11 was the worst though, you can take losing a game but when the ref has such a big influence on a game and you're on the receiving end of it it's hard to take Totally agree. '11 was the worst by a country mile. Higher forces were mad for a Dublin win that day, that an a combination of complacency undid us.
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Post by mozzy on Mar 31, 2013 19:14:48 GMT
Jaysus lads your fierce harsh I was merely making some suggestions. If I am not mistaken out biggest problems is 1) we don't have a half forward line worth much currently and 2) the game has changed totally look at Tyrone, Donegal - players playing all over the shop in completely different positions.
They said it was mad to throw Star up front at the time and we know how well that worked out ....
Nothing should be off the table IMO and I don't believe I am off the head for suggesting as such ..and it's just that an opinion
Anyway you boys are far more knowledgeable than myself so I'll accept your logic.
Happy Easter all
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Post by An Bradán on Mar 31, 2013 21:39:01 GMT
Ah Mozzy don't be taking it personally...far too many precious types on here already. Sure tis only an exchange of views....nobody here totally right or wrong and in any case it will be Fitzy calling the shots on team selection not us. I totally agree on the need for players to be flexible but feel certain players are best suited to particular roles. I believe the half fwd line will prob cause Fitzy the greatest headaches as regards selection and balance but would anticipate the three lads will be used at midfield. Whatever the composition of our team we all hope for a return to glory.
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Post by kerrygold on Mar 31, 2013 21:57:21 GMT
02,08and 11 would be the ones I felt got away. Things seemed to be going fine until marsden caught a kick out and as they say the rest is history. We missed far too many chances to get away with it in 08, yet if it wasn't for the save from Declan we were 2 up with time nearly over, inches. 11 was the worst though, you can take losing a game but when the ref has such a big influence on a game and you're on the receiving end of it it's hard to take Totally agree. '11 was the worst by a country mile. Higher forces were mad for a Dublin win that day, that an a combination of complacency undid us. '82 and '11 were the ones Kerry let get out of the bag, both soul destroying defeats for players and fans alike. Kerry didn't do enough to win in '02 '05 and '08, simple as, Kerry were not good enough to win on those days. Those defeats don't really register on the tearing of a Kerry supporters footballing soul. Kerry came back to win in '04 '06/'07 and '09 which says the most about this generation of Kerry players. I'm sure some in the media and others would like to think Kerry people are bitter about the defeats of '02 '05 and '08. It is probably what fuels the crap in the media and the deterioration in the relationship between Kerry and Tyrone teams. Winning and losing is all part of the package. Losing on All-Ireland Final day is the most humbling of experiences, nothing really to worry about. Life moves on, players don't die as result of defeat.
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Post by kerrygold on Mar 31, 2013 22:14:51 GMT
Backs and Forwards coach is the way forward. Scouts for selector advisory roles and talent spotting. Shortlist and manager and coaches review. Manager decides solely.No selectors on line, anymore - IMO.It's fair point on Dec Kerrygold, but our half fwd line has been obliterated in the league so it does need re-enforcement. Gooch is an option, well able to win own ball, could push Dazzy to wing. Indeed swapping Dec and Gooch in and out looks a good fit. Dec at half forward would be better driving at opposition, Gooch better linking and pocket passing. Fully agree fitzwop re the pocket passing ability of the Gooch on the forty. Declan probably runs the angles better inside than other Kerry player and leaves his pockets open the most for the incoming pop pass. The big challenge for the Gooch on the forty would be how he would deal with someone like Karl Lacey, in the zone, over the course of a game. Karl was the conductor/puppeteer in chief during the first 20 minutes of the last Septembers final when Donegal inflicted serious damage on Mayo, before they subsequently went awol in the second half of the first half. Changing his game and finding freshness will be Colms biggest challenge in 2013. I notice Henry Shefflin has not played in the National Hurling Leagues of 2012 and 2013. It is also unlikely Ted Walsh or Aidan O'Brien has a horse out ploughing or even harrowing in the field the week before Aintree!
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