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Post by vman on Sept 20, 2005 2:12:06 GMT
lads .if we didnt have the butterflies i think there would be something wrong.this is why we love this carry-on so friggin much.which would you prefer ....to be as cool as the dark side of the pillow for the rest of the week,or to be antsy and jumpy like most of us are now. all this talk of tyrone being relaxed is just a front .you know if kerry fellas that have been in croke park for the last few septembers are twitchy...then you can be full sure that the boys from the county tyrone are cacking themselves.they're just doing a better job of hiding it. both sets of fans and players will be messy for the rest of the week. i met a girl from killarney once .her brother was a teacher in kildare(i think),anyway he had been suffering with an upset stomach...puking everthing ,feeling faint and generally just a bit messed up for a few days.he couldnt figure it out and went to the doctor who after much investigation diagnosed him .it was his nerves in the build up to an all ireland final! my point is ,we are all nervous.lets enjoy it.
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Post by kerrydoc on Sept 20, 2005 7:58:39 GMT
true, vman. the nervous anticipation in the run up to the AI should be savoured. think how many counties would give anything to be in our shoes right now. its all part of it.
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Post by lostinmayo on Sept 20, 2005 9:02:00 GMT
interesting theory there about the baby boom phpearse, if we lose i think we'll be too depressed to be thinking about making babies, (sorry women folk)
As for Sat night, we're usually spread out allover the shop, but you'll deffo find a good few in O' Sheas on the quays, Palace bar is a spot also. Coppers deffo on Sun night, we'll be celebrating
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Post by austinstacksabu on Sept 20, 2005 9:03:05 GMT
just saw joc on six one. he was asked if he considered bringing the lads to dublin to train, which is apparantly what tyrone did this wkend. he winked, and said "they've been down there so many times this summer u'd think they'd be well used to it". a timely reminder and dig that they've taken a long route to croker this year. good man jack, let the psychological warfare continue! ;D harte didnt say nuch, just remained non committal re whether canavan would start Lads, Jack is playing a media blinder. His first comment about styles etc has continued to float around since he made it, and has dominated practically every comment of note in all media. He set the agenda. As a result, people are now focussing on Tyrone and how they've played and what style they've played with, and mentioned how Kerry have adapted well while keeping the traditional aspects of the game. One up to Jack. Mickey and gang (some of the comments from the Tyrone press night) are now almost defending themselves. His comment on Tyrone going to Citywest (they were up for their usual weekend away from partners, acclimatise etc) was a tiny bit smart but then there was nothing wrong with it. Mickey Harte might get a little huffed but Jack knows Mickey's a bigger man than searching through that for a reason to stick something on the team door. If he does, what's it going to be? He's questioning our trip to Dublin boys - lets get him zzzzz. He won't look foolish win, lose or draw. Sending out the four most comfortable speakers on Jacks part was just the Kerry way. Sure Tyrone sent the lot out, but being honest, most of the Kerry lads, no matter how progressive Jack is (Paudi never attended an final press conference despite his competitors willingness at all times until he went to Westmeath) still fear the media - a long lasting effect of the Paudi era. Jack just worked around that. Jack's winning the PR fun and games - that's all they are.
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Post by kerryman on Sept 20, 2005 9:10:39 GMT
So long as Jack is winning the football fun and games I don't care.
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Post by ArthurG on Sept 20, 2005 12:44:26 GMT
I'm with you on that one Kerryman. But its hard to ignore the confidence of Micky Harte and he still has the smug smile on his face........ Jack boy lets hope you can wipe it off his face on Sunday for once and for all.
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Post by BIGMAC on Sept 20, 2005 13:17:13 GMT
interesting theory there about the baby boom phpearse, if we lose i think we'll be too depressed to be thinking about making babies, (sorry women folk) well if u need a hand in that department (no pun intended) let me know as i've nothing better to do at th mo ;D
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Post by Dermot on Sept 20, 2005 13:44:05 GMT
interesting theory there about the baby boom phpearse, if we lose i think we'll be too depressed to be thinking about making babies, (sorry women folk) well if u need a hand in that department (no pun intended) let me know as i've nothing better to do at th mo ;D I second that and will freely offer my services too........Just as soon as I sober up !
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Post by Dermot on Sept 20, 2005 15:20:35 GMT
On a more serious note !
Heard Mickey Harte being interviewed this morning and he was doing the old "Kerry are very much the favourates" speech ! ................................Then he went on to give his comments a bit of weight !....He said Kerry have been in the Final 3 out of the last 4 years and have been in the semi in the other year !.... That does indeed sound impressive and he's totally right ....You guys are the strong favourites...........Thats why there is SO much pressure on your players !
I think in general there is less expected of us so there is obviously less pressure on us and more on youz !
Is that a fair enough comment do you think ?
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Post by austinstacksabu on Sept 20, 2005 15:24:03 GMT
There is pressure on Kerry to justify the favourites tag, to show that they can win hard All Irelands, although if last years was soft why didn't Mayo win it. There is pressure on Kerry to show that they can adopt, and become a better team after the heartache of previous years.
But there is as much if not more pressue on Tyrone to defend their style of football, to get something out of the season after 10 championship games, to show that what they achieved in 2003 wasn't a flash in the pan.
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Post by Dermot on Sept 20, 2005 15:39:34 GMT
But there is as much if not more pressue on Tyrone to defend their style of football, to get something out of the season after 10 championship games, to show that what they achieved in 2003 wasn't a flash in the pan. Are you trying Jack O'Connors tricks ASA ? No matter who wins, the style on offer will be defended as its basically exactly the same ! Don't be lulled into this nonsence that Kerry and Tyrone play different styles of football !.............. Kerry (over the last 2 years) have adopted the same "style" as Tyrone - i.e. 10 to 12 men behind the ball when required and breaking fast - Thats what Hasset and Galvins jobs are - For god sake, Galvin is like a carbon copy of Dooher (although not as good IMHO) ! And, its you guys who keep stressing the "different styles of play" - not us ! Cute Kerry Hoor eh ! Anyway - We certainly want to get something out of the season especially after 10 games but I don't believe this team will worry about being called a flash in the pan as they have a good few years to disprove that yet ! Also - you guys have a few players nearing career end where we have Canavan ! (Dooher will go on a few years yet - Not sure how long PTG will go on ) So, all in all, I still think the majority of the pressure is on youz !
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Post by dec on Sept 20, 2005 16:07:21 GMT
Dermot wrote So, all in all, I still think the majority of the pressure is on youz !One thing that must be remembered but never is. If any other county in Ireland won the All Ireland last year and were defending champions playing in a successive All Ireland Final....there would not be this so-called pressure that Kerry are under. Are they really under so much pressure?? and if they are then... Why are they under so much pressure??? I dont understand.. Is it just imaginary? Maybe too much emphasis is being placed on this notion of Kerry having to prove themselves. Suppose Kerry lose on Sunday.. Is that the end. Will the defeat be too much to handle Will Ulster teams say..sorry boyz we were and always will be much better than youz.. Going by whoever believes the pressure is on Kerry it will be.. A comment by a former Kerry coach that may have been scorned at about animals comes to mind. Why does a side who has achieved more than any other county in the 21st century have to keep proving themselves and showing that they are well.....the best? Just look at the stats and achievements that they have won. Isn't that enough..No ? If they lose on Sunday they will still be counted a great great team.. Nothing to do but go out and play as well as they can. If they come up short...its too bad but not the worst thing ever.. Tyrone have more to prove and lose on Sunday.. Thats just my idea. If they lose to Kerry they will never hear the end of it from Armagh (who have been much more successful this year thus far). Now thats pressure in my book.
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Post by seamus on Sept 20, 2005 16:13:44 GMT
Good post Dec, Agree with what you are saying. Deep down though, i think all our lads want to beat tyrone for themselves more than what 'the experts' think.
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Post by dec on Sept 20, 2005 16:19:18 GMT
Great then the only presssure on Kerry is coming from within the players themselves. Just like it should be. Optimum pressure level in my view. External pressure is on Tyrone. Maybe they will realise soon enough what they have to lose and to prove.
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Post by buck02 on Sept 20, 2005 16:51:29 GMT
Lads can anyone tell me a time when a Kerry team WERE NOT under pressure when it came to winning an all ireland??
Whats at stake on Sunday is huge and our guys have known this since Sept 26th last year. We had to prove ourselves against either Armagh or Tyrone and its as simple as that. They were ready for it last year and both Armagh and Tyrone imploded. Now we've had an extra year to prepare, have a full squad to chose from as opposed to this time last year, havnt lost a championship match in 25 months and are coming to form again at the right time.
Tyrone will pose a significant hurdle, no doubt about it. I'm confident we'll do it but if for some reason things go wrong on the day and we dont do it, personally it'll be a very bitter pill to swallow.
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Post by Dermot on Sept 20, 2005 16:57:52 GMT
If they lose on Sunday they will still be counted a great great team.. Nothing to do but go out and play as well as they can. If they come up short...its too bad but not the worst thing ever.. Tyrone have more to prove and lose on Sunday.. Thats just my idea. If they lose to Kerry they will never hear the end of it from Armagh (who have been much more successful this year thus far). I agree with a lot of what you say Dec but I just don't buy into your thinking on the above ideas at all ! If Tyrone Loose on Sunday it will be par for the course ! ... The team expected to win does etc.. etc... However, If Kerry loose a few things will come into play ! 1/ The team (rightly or wrongly) will be called chokers again ! ... And as "Dec" rightly said it is the Kerry fans and the overall Kerry thinking (we should win the bloody thing every year) that will put the label on them ! This Kerry team are a good team, full of talented individuals but if they loose again this year they will undoubtedly be castigated from all over - especially their own county ! So - they will not be counted as a great Kerry team - They will be regarded as a potentially great team who failed to deliver - only if they loose though - If Kerry win they will be rightly regarded as a great team ! Basically lads, you are victims of your own success ! 2/ The constant harping on about differing styles since the Semi-final defeat to Tyrone in 2003 ! Jack O'Connor and others (Pat da Bollix) are still sniping about it and personally I think it has put much, much more pressure on your lads than ours ! 3/ How much longer do some of your players have left and are there new faces to come in and fill those positions/personalities ? 4/ If Tyrone win, will we be regarded as a great team - I'm not sure - I already regard them as a great team, naturally enough as they are the first and only team from Tyrone to have won an AI - They'll always be great in my eyes, but to the rest of Ireland - You'd need to ask someone neutral ! This again means less pressure on us I think ! Anyway lads - these are just my ideas and views - I could be totally wrong, but whatever happens I'm sure pressure on the players won't be the deciding factor ! Who plays the best and hungriest on the day will prevail - Ah, I forgot to say - You need a bit of luck too and Mickey Harte is a "Lucky" manager as well (so far anyway)..............As in all walks of life a bit of luck is a big help ! May the best, hungriest and luckiest team win ! Mickey, wear your lucky undies, Y-Fronts or whatever it is !
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Post by Dermot on Sept 20, 2005 17:00:09 GMT
I'd rather have Mickey look smug and say nothing than try the "cute kerry hoor" carryon that Jacks at !
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Post by Dermot on Sept 20, 2005 17:02:42 GMT
Lads can anyone tell me a time when a Kerry team WERE NOT under pressure when it came to winning an all ireland?? Whats at stake on Sunday is huge and our guys have known this since Sept 26th last year. We had to prove ourselves against either Armagh or Tyrone and its as simple as that. They were ready for it last year and both Armagh and Tyrone imploded. Now we've had an extra year to prepare, have a full squad to chose from as opposed to this time last year, havnt lost a championship match in 25 months and are coming to form again at the right time. Tyrone will pose a significant hurdle, no doubt about it. I'm confident we'll do it but if for some reason things go wrong on the day and we dont do it, personally it'll be a very bitter pill to swallow. The truth at last !................Cheers Buck02 ! Thats part of my point - We won the last championship match - there is much more pressure on your guys as this is a "Get Even" match for you.....not us !
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Post by kerrydoc on Sept 20, 2005 17:04:57 GMT
each to his own, i'd take jacks carryonn over mickeys anyday!!
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Post by Mickmack on Sept 20, 2005 18:15:38 GMT
I was totally relaxed before the two Cork games as I knew that the Kerry players couldnt stomach losing to Cork and Morgan. I feel the same about playing Tyrone. The only match this year that I was apprehensive about was The Mayo game. There was always the danger that MAYO would kick accurately for once and Kerry would have been in trouble.
I have a sence that Tyrone may not be quite the team that they are being made out to be. They drew with Cavan which would be like Kerry drawing with Tipperary. They got sloppy and careless in the drawn games with Armagh and Dublin. Their "hard road to the final" is largely of their own doing. Their midfield has been beaten in most of their matches and they have not replaced the late Cormac McAnnallen RIP at fullback.
I was at the match between Armagh and Tyrone and the better team lost.
I just cannot see Kerry losing.
I have been following Kerry for 30 years and this will be my 13th Final. Kerry have lost only two of those and only by one point on each occasion.
We are a proud race and we were humiliated in 2003 and Canavans antics against Michael McCarthy was enough to make you sick. Sunday in deliverence day!! CIARRAI ABU.
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Post by Kerry39 on Sept 20, 2005 18:33:19 GMT
Fair play MickMack, one of the best posts I've read here. It sums up most of what I feel about this match.
To add, another important aspect is that Kerry have had two years to get ready for this match. It is largely the same Kerry team (from the quiz 14 players from the last day are still playing), and the few additions are all tough class players, Murphy, O'Mahony and Galvin. We can be certain that the lads will be up for this one.
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Post by Dermot on Sept 20, 2005 18:43:43 GMT
ADMIN - about 4 posts here have been deleted - Any idea's ?
Is there something wrong with the system or was there something wrong with the posts ?
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Post by Cornelius on Sept 20, 2005 19:51:50 GMT
TEAM NAMED!!!!!!
Diarmuid Murphy (Dingle) Marc Ó Sé (An Ghaeltacht), Michael McCarthy (Kilcummin), Tom O'Sullivan (Rathmore) Tomas Ó Sé (An Ghaeltacht), Seamus Moynihan (Glenflesk), Aidan O’Mahony (Rathmore) Darragh Ó Sé (An Ghaeltacht), William Kirby (Austin Stacks) Paul Galvin (Finuge), Eoin Brosnan (Dr. Crokes), Liam Hassett (Laune Rangers) Colm Cooper (Dr. Crokes), Declan O'Sullivan (Capt) (Dromid Pearses), Dara Ó Cinnéide (An Ghaeltacht)
Bryan Sheehan Dropped replaced by Dara O' Cinneide
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Post by buck02 on Sept 20, 2005 20:34:58 GMT
No real surprises, along the lines of the team most of us predicted (we got it right for once). Hard luck on MFR, Fitz & Sheehan but I'm sure they'll have a big part to play in it yet. Just wish it was Sunday now, all this waiting around....
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Post by JOAN on Sept 20, 2005 20:36:04 GMT
No major surprises there.
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Post by kingdomkerry on Sept 20, 2005 22:54:24 GMT
same as i predicted on page 12. No supprises this time. MFR as impact sub.
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Post by vman on Sept 21, 2005 5:02:35 GMT
dermot: 3/ How much longer do some of your players have left and are there new faces to come in and fill those positions/personalities ?
no offence but ,when have kerry not been able to produce stars to replace the ones that are on the way out. a look back over the last few years will show you that im not wrong
most notably gooch,o'mahony,galvin.2 out of three are allstar winners and theres a fair shout that 2 out of these three will win all stars again this season.
there are plenty of boys on the subs bench that would walk onto the first 15 in most other counties.i'm not trying to be smart or big headed but i dont think there's any danger of a drought of talent in the kingdom.
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Post by kerryman on Sept 21, 2005 8:05:18 GMT
Good to see there's no surprises in the team. Its a sign that we're settling at the right time. No injuries or suspensions either....everything is ready...hopefully we are the better team as the best team will win this one.
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Post by kerrydoc on Sept 21, 2005 8:08:43 GMT
no quibbles with that team, it makes great reading!
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Post by duagh05 on Sept 21, 2005 8:11:11 GMT
Hi guys, just to say well done over last couple weeks with all these posts. Ye r keepin me well informed before I fly home from Germany for the final on Friday. Was at home for Munster Final against the Cork *s and the two games since in Croke Park are the first games ive missed in Croker since god knows when. We`ll give the tyrone boys hell on Sunday and come out with a two pint win. Delighted to see Dara back in the team. His experience alone is worth a score or two. I put 20quid on Kirby after the munster final to be All Ireland Man of the Match. What ye reckon!!!!!!!!!!
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