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Post by Deleted on Apr 14, 2010 20:55:34 GMT
was at the match kerry played some lovely football at times especially in the first 15 minutes,they played direct football and got fast ball into the forwards,a high tempo game plan will be key for this team i think,in the backs pa kilkenny looks a fine corner back,very fast and a good reader of the game and was always out in front of his man,at midfield damien somers played a pile of ball,in the forwards marcus mangan worked hard as did thomas hickey,gavin grady was the pick of the forwards,when he got direct ball into him he caused tipp problems,my man of the match was the captain james walsh this fella looks a serious prospect for the future,a brillant display at wing back.
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Post by copthat on Apr 14, 2010 21:46:56 GMT
pa kilkennny had an outstanding game at corner back...tight, tenacious and a fine footballer to boot,culhane had a good outing as well..didnt give his man much space and could have had a goal if one final pass went right!! james walsh was very impressive fast,tight intelligent and a great fielder of the ball and maybe he didnt score tonight but he is normally very good in front of goal..hes a real prospect.....somers played well i thought...caught some good ball and intercepted a few stray passes giving decent ball to his forwards...mangan at wing forward was industrious and showed well for the ball as did thomas hickey at centre forward who looks a good link man and took his points well even if he concedes a bit on the physical stakes.....gavin o grady looks a real footballer...anytime he got the ball tipp were in trouble...more ball needed to be put his way i felt as he could be a real matchwinner...scored a real sweet point off his left in the second half
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Post by hugh20 on Apr 14, 2010 22:24:24 GMT
Pa Kilkenny was outstanding and was my man of the match..he didnt give either of his opponents an inch....Culhane had a good game as did James Walsh but at times they went forward a bit too much leaving gaps at the back that stronger teams will exploit. Durant didnt have his finest game i lar na pairce and Somers had a poor first half but improved immensely in 2nd half! I thought Marcus Mangan kicked an awful few balls straight to opposition 3 times i can remember in 1st half in direction of Eanna O'Connor and didnt give him much of a chance in winning them however he worked hard! Mark Reen put in a very good hour in half forward line and did well on scoreboard and also played a good playmaking role..Thomas Hickey also played well but imo his decision making needs to improve a few times there were men in better positions and failed to pick them out! Barry Dwyer faiiled to make much of an impact...and finally Eanna O'Connor and Gavin Grady especially both had good games.
well done to them but they have much to improve on...saying that it was their first outing and im sure Pat Driscoll will get the best out of them!
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Post by crokesbd on Apr 14, 2010 22:32:09 GMT
Good enough display but I don't think they're going to win any all ireland . Pat Kilkenny and James Walsh were very good in the backs wasn't impressed with Bastible or Hickson . I think Sean McCarthy from Legion could come into the backs . Midfield was good and Gavin o' Grady was the best forward , Eanna o' Connor is not good enough to start or Barry o' Dwyer . Gary o' Leary from Kilcummin will be pushing for a spot and Sean Keane Legion as well . I would make about five changes for the next game . As bigbrother said lack of size will stand against them down the line . But on the positive side there is five or six prospects there for the future .
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Post by crokepark on Apr 14, 2010 22:40:19 GMT
Pa Kilkenny was outstanding and was my man of the match..he didnt give either of his opponents an inch....Culhane had a good game as did James Walsh but at times they went forward a bit too much leaving gaps at the back that stronger teams will exploit. Durant didnt have his finest game i lar na pairce and Somers had a poor first half but improved immensely in 2nd half! I thought Marcus Mangan kicked an awful few balls straight to opposition 3 times i can remember in 1st half in direction of Eanna O'Connor and didnt give him much of a chance in winning them however he worked hard! Mark Reen put in a very good hour in half forward line and did well on scoreboard and also played a good playmaking role..Thomas Hickey also played well but imo his decision making needs to improve a few times there were men in better positions and failed to pick them out! Barry Dwyer faiiled to make much of an impact...and finally Eanna O'Connor and Gavin Grady especially both had good games. well done to them but they have much to improve on...saying that it was their first outing and im sure Pat Driscoll will get the best out of them! I agree with every word except Eanna Connor. I thought he was poor. Didn't contribute much in open play and his frees let him down on a few occasions. As a senior member he badly needs to up his game
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Post by zusse on Apr 15, 2010 6:44:41 GMT
Well done to our minors, a win is a win at the end of the day! lucky in the end though ha) some very good football played last evening. Pat Kilkenny was absolutely outstanding cornor back. i thought sommers was quiet in the first half.....improved greatly in the second half!...i think Gavin o Grady is a super forward with a touch of class about him. We need to see alot more direct balll sent in to full-forward line if we want to win games. At this stage its about winning games and not personal performances. its only common sense that you pass the ball to the fella in a better scoring position than yourself!.but look it was their first day out and they can only improve...i dont like to see too much of this short passing,let the ball do the work!.not much point having a fantastic full-forwrd line if your not going to use them!...Thought eanna was bit out of it at the start, got more involved as game went on! kicked nice free late in the game! Well done again to all involved...
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Post by nedeenbnn on Apr 15, 2010 8:13:57 GMT
Well done to Pat and his management team! I am sure he had some butterflies going out there with his first Kerry team - must be a great feeling.
Does anyone have any thoughts on how you would feel in your first Munster Championship game as a Kerry manager?
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Post by duagh80 on Apr 15, 2010 11:00:46 GMT
Well done to the Kerry minor lads last night, i suppose there are some good and bad points to be taken from last nights game
A brilliant first 15-20mins at the start of the game with great play from the kerry youngsters, followed by a series of wide ball after wide ball from both teams. I was looking forward to seeing eanna o connor in action, but for me he didnt have the best of games with 3 or 4 wides. Pa Killkenny and Walsh at No.5 were excellent in defence throughout the game. In Midfield i thought Somers was very quiet and maybe a tad bit off the pace in the first half, but then showed great fielding of the ball and strength in the second half. I thought his partner George Durrant played very well in the first half, never gave the ball away, delivering some pin-point balls in to the forwards, and getting in some good positions up and down the field, i just feel he could have been in the game a bit more in the second half. Marc reen and Gavin o grady worked hard and got some good scores up front. Kerry were looking very comfortable in with under 5 mins to go and then gave away 2 cheap goals. Maybe accumulating such a big gap in the scoreline they sat back a bit, But look this was the first outing for the lads and they gave a good account of themselves, they now have a month of hard work in training to work on things. They will have to play better against Limerick in May
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Post by kerryeye on Apr 15, 2010 11:57:51 GMT
Never thought id see the day when Kilkenny would be good at football!!Pat Kilkenny gave a top class display of corner back play lasy nite.the ball just seemed to stick to him and was man of the match by some distance in my opinion.Culhane looked very solid full back aswell as did centre back laurence bastible.Captain James Walsh had an excellent game at wing back,i think he may be more suited to midfield though from what i saw last night.He seemed to be a real asset going forward and also fielded a number of kick outs.
George Durrant got through a lot of work in the middle of the field and seemed to be a fine distributor of a pass aswell.Mark Reen had an excellent start to the game and has a lot of pace,Thomas Hickey took his scores well while Gavin O Grady looks like an excellent player aswell on the edge of the square and kick a couple of excellent scores also.
When kerry played the ball directly in the first 10-15 minutes they had Tipp all over the place but this seemed to change and started slowing it down a bit,perhaps Tipp cut it off a bit,but i feel if Kerry could play like they did in first 15 minutes we could see them going a long way this year.
The 2 late Tipp goals could prove to be a blessing in disguise for the kerry management also,players wont be getting too ahead of themselves and would have been kept very grounded by Tipps late comeback.
All in all,a good enough performance by the kerry lads in what would have been a very big night for these young lads,they will have learned a lot from this game and i feel that they will only improve as the year progresses under Pat O Driscolls tutelage.
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Post by crokesbd on Apr 15, 2010 13:30:54 GMT
Kerry need to make about six changes for the next game my team would be 1 padraig mccarthy 2 pat kilkenny 3 david culhane 4 enda o' sullivan 5 james walsh 6 sean mccarthy 7 cillian fitzgerald 8 damien somers 9 sean keane 10 thomas hickey 11 gary o' leary 12 marcus mangan 13 tom moriarty 14 gavin o' grady 15 mark reen subs 16 damien horgan 17 george durrant 18 eanna o' connor 19 fergal mcnamara 20 barry o' dwyer 21 jason hickson 22 laurence bastible 23 conor cox 24 tadhg morley
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Post by lixnawlad on Apr 15, 2010 16:26:03 GMT
Your being a bit harsh on some of these lads crokesbd and very biased towards the Killarney fellas mind you!. I felt the lads gave a great acoount of themselves with the exception of the late goals. The first 10 minutes was kerry football at its purest, quick direct ball into the forwards, and for some reason they reverted back to short hand passes. Things can only get better!
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Post by crokesbd on Apr 15, 2010 18:21:40 GMT
Look this team were lucky they were playing a poor Tipperary team who couldn't score . If they were playing a better team they would have been beat . As far as the backs goes only Kilkenny , Culhane , and Walsh deserve their place Sean McCarthy Enda o' Sullivan and Cillian Fitzgerald played with the Sem and apart from the final played very well all year . Kilcummin and Legion are the two best clubs in minor football this year in the county so it's only natural they should have players on the team . I think McCarthy ,Fitzgerald ,and o' Sullivan are better than Hickson, Bastible and McNamara in midfield Sean Keane would be better than Durrant and in the forwards Gary o' Leary should be on and Tom Moriarty is better than Barry o' Dwyer . Apart from the opening 20 minutes Kerry were not great against Tipp so that is a worry .
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Post by morningflorence on Apr 15, 2010 18:32:25 GMT
Crokesbd you people up in crokes seem to have a problem with south kerry. How in Gods name could you say that Eanna o Connor is not good enough to start?? the man was one of the best free takers in the country at all levels last year. Did you see Donncha o Connors efforts at place kicking in the cork game after the kerry minor game in croker last year? He made him look cronic! Getting back to the Tip game, For God sake lads if a man who is expected to be man of the match has an off day, is that a reason for him not to start the next day!. As for Barry Dwyer, iv seen this man, Colaiste na sceilge would not have won the all ireland last year without him coming on. He is a lethal finisher and has great vision.
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Post by crokesbd on Apr 15, 2010 19:21:16 GMT
Eanna o' Connor is a good free taker but you need more than that . He is only an average footballer and I think there is better footballers in Kerry at that level and Barry o' Dwyer is not playing well right now I think Tom Moriarty is playing better than him right now . Eanna should not have started last year .
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Post by lixnawlad on Apr 15, 2010 19:29:20 GMT
Disagree. Eanna bailed Cns out many times in the run up to the Hogan cup, granted he had an off day but he has a lot more to give than tom moriarty, who from what i see is a head-down type of player who doesn't bring other players into the game often enough
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Post by crokesbd on Apr 15, 2010 20:00:46 GMT
Moriarty far better player thats why if pat don't play more East Kerry players he won't win anything .
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Post by duagh80 on Apr 15, 2010 20:08:45 GMT
I agree that Eanna O Connor is not the player he is hyped up to be, On his day he can be good, but u cant rely on a guy just for his dead ball ability(did he miss 3 or 4 last night?)...... On the subject of the SEM lads, From what i have heard alot of them who are picked for the minors will actually find it very hard to make the starting 15. (crokesbd) is being a bit biased towards the boys from killarney but there are a few places in the team that arent set in stone, so maybe one or two might make the team... Hickson was good in parts of the game, but got booked halfway through the 1st half for a silly off the ball incident, and maybe lost his way after that..... As for Durrant, ive heard and seen for myself that he has made mincemeat of all the other midfielders vying for his position while playing for the dingle minors, thats why he is starting and cant see him being moved, if anything he will be moved to wing forward, but i cant see it happening.....Sean Keane may take Somers place due to his lack of pace, i would say Keane will make the bench as back-up
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Post by crokesbd on Apr 15, 2010 20:21:19 GMT
Gary o' Leary (Kilcummin) is a better all round player than Durrant . Dingle would not beat Kilcummin that's for sure and from what you have heard the sem boys aren't good enough we will see about that . One thing I do know the team he put out last night will not win anything .
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Post by zusse on Apr 15, 2010 20:27:19 GMT
lads i reckon people are being a bit harsh on eanna.....yes, he missed a few frees last night and has been pretty off form recently but these things happen..!! We all know what this youngster is capable of on his day. All he needs is a few good games to get his confidence back up and he will be right again!.....Personally i dont think many of the sem fellas will make it,3 at most id say! i could see jeff coming in cornor forward and maybe keane mid-field,however i wouldnt think the team is going to change much at all.
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Post by North Clare on Apr 15, 2010 20:32:35 GMT
I cant see any of the Sem backs getting on v Limerick after conceding 1- 18 v Newry last Saturday. Here in Tralee John Mitchels player Jamie Moriarty is playing very well at the moment as well.
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Post by lixnawlad on Apr 15, 2010 21:16:31 GMT
Moriarty from the mitchels is a good player but still a bit young. We must remember these guys are only 17 and 18 and for their first competitive game together they didn't dissapoint. Crokesbd i thought the team was picked correctly, certainly at least 3 of the sem boys will make it but no more, it's the kerry minors, not the Killarney/Kerry minors
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Post by crokesbd on Apr 15, 2010 23:16:59 GMT
It should be .
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Post by bigfoot on Apr 16, 2010 0:11:18 GMT
from the sem.. shaun keane, jeff o donoguhue and gary o leary will in all likelihood start from the sem. although they were beaten in the final, they still got there and were beaten by a better, older, more physical team. personally, i feel o leary gave an exhibition as he stood head and shoulders above his counterparts. this is hard to do when you are being beaten all over the pitch. I would also not bet against enda o sullivan. My reasoning being that the young man has beat every opponent he has come up against.
One more thing lads.. the best of kilcummin and legion together would probably give the kerry minors a good run for their money. So just because the boys were beaten in the final doesnt mean that some of them wont go on to great things this year.
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Post by crokesbd on Apr 16, 2010 0:27:17 GMT
bigfoot I could not agree more .
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Post by Billy on Apr 16, 2010 2:18:37 GMT
crokes bd. u say it ''should be'' a killarney/kerry minor team. iv no respect for your opinion after that. ur biased and blinkered. the sem were awful on the big day. we need players with resolve and heart for the kerry minors this year. we saw how gutless they were last yr v armagh.
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Post by truthseeker on Apr 16, 2010 7:51:57 GMT
I am wondering is Crokesbd a Crokes person at all?
All his comments are pro Legion and Kilcummin which would be very unusual for your regular Crokes person given the rivalry that exists between these teams.
In the meantime I have full faith in Pat Driscoll. Kerry played well enough but the two goals at the end will knock the complancy out of them. Pat will pick what he thinks is the best team and wont be favouring lads from the East or the South or the West if you are up to it you will get on.
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Post by himself on Apr 16, 2010 9:38:47 GMT
Sean McCarthy from Legion is well worth a look. Kerry did labour a bit at midfield. Chris o'Leary to wingback and James Walsh to midfield? Cox is another wingback option. As good as Shaun Keane is, I think he's a forward option rather than midfield, and there is incredible scrapping for jerseys up there. As good as Eanna is, I think Jeff O'Donoghue is the better choice in the corner, with O'Grady and Reen sharing the frees. All that said, I was very happy with Wednesday's performance. I knew that Kilkenny and O'Grady were good, but I didn't know that they were THAT good
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Post by Derek on Apr 16, 2010 10:09:00 GMT
Gary o' Leary (Kilcummin) is a better all round player than Durrant . Dingle would not beat Kilcummin that's for sure and from what you have heard the sem boys aren't good enough we will see about that . One thing I do know the team he put out last night will not win anything . Crokes bd - if you were in charge the last night are you saying you'd have dropped lads who had attended 30-40 training sessions in favour of the SEM lads who hadnt been training with the panel due to the hogan cup? What kind of atmosphere would that leave in the camp, Pat has said all along that the team will be picked on training and matches in training and therefore the SEM boys couldnt feature on wednesday!! The SEM players now have a chance in the coming weeks to prove themselves and if there good enough you can be sure they'll be picked. The management met with the SEM players and advised them of this weeks back.
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Post by longball2 on Apr 16, 2010 10:21:24 GMT
Agree with Derekcom and himself. The Sem players could not have been in contention for wednesday. They didnt have enough time with the Kerry set up. They can start to come into contention from now on. Pat Driscoll will pick the best team for the job. He will pick fellows with the right skill level and he will have their heads right. I would trust his judgment on players a lot more than some of the self promoting lads on here.
I also think the criticism of individual players in order to promote other players is over the top. Unfortunately this seems to happen every year on the minor thread. These are young players doing their best to try and play for the county.
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Post by fiorgael on Apr 16, 2010 10:53:16 GMT
well said long ball 2
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