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Post by crokesbd on Apr 16, 2010 11:05:14 GMT
First of all I am not worried what you say ambrose , second crokerman I played with Crokes and I know about Legion and Crokes don't worry I am more Crokes than anyone all my family played with crokes but you should know if you live in Killarney that you get to know a lot of Legion , Spa players etc they should be more East Kerry players on the panel . I am saying that this team they have right now will not win anything if the Tipp game went on 10 minutes more Tipp would have won . So they need new players you put that team out against better teams and they will be beat .
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Post by zusse on Apr 16, 2010 11:58:41 GMT
Right fair enough " crokesbd" you have made your point,you want the whole team to be jigged around and bring in the sem lads is it?....sorry but doubt that will happen, the sem team was very weak bar a few! Pat will pick the team and look, if your good enough to be there you will make it.If your not good enough you wont!...the sem lads will be training now and every single one of them will get a fair crack of the whip. Pat is a very honest, fair man!.(unlike previous managers i maght add!)....As for your comment the team at the moment "will not win anything".............well, i dont think you know much about the game if thats your take on it!!....These are 17 and 18 year olds that went out wednesday night in front of 2000 people representing their county for the first time many of them, i think they handled the pressure very well......at that stage in the game there had been many substitutes made! Pat was running the bench....they were two poxy goals anyway,!....Credit where credit is due i thought our minors gave a fine display, some excellent football was played! ok, there are improvments that need to be made in some areas, iv no doubt that will be sorted!....
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Post by kerryeye on Apr 16, 2010 12:44:30 GMT
Well said Zusse..
I have plenty faith in Pat to turn this team into all ireland champions.
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Post by jimjepeto on Apr 16, 2010 13:18:40 GMT
Well, put fair and simply crokebd - your views are totally biased. And not fair to some of the other 18yr olds in the county.
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Post by Derek on Apr 16, 2010 13:47:43 GMT
Right fair enough " crokesbd" you have made your point,you want the whole team to be jigged around and bring in the sem lads is it?....sorry but doubt that will happen, the sem team was very weak bar a few! Pat will pick the team and look, if your good enough to be there you will make it.If your not good enough you wont!...the sem lads will be training now and every single one of them will get a fair crack of the whip. Pat is a very honest, fair man!.(unlike previous managers i maght add!)....As for your comment the team at the moment "will not win anything".............well, i dont think you know much about the game if thats your take on it!!....These are 17 and 18 year olds that went out wednesday night in front of 2000 people representing their county for the first time many of them, i think they handled the pressure very well......at that stage in the game there had been many substitutes made! Pat was running the bench....they were two poxy goals anyway,!....Credit where credit is due i thought our minors gave a fine display, some excellent football was played! ok, there are improvments that need to be made in some areas, iv no doubt that will be sorted!.... I couldnt have said it better myself!!!!
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Post by Deleted on Apr 16, 2010 13:54:06 GMT
pat has left no stone unturned this year,if a player is good enough he will be picked no matter where he is from or what school he goes to,the days of a player who goes to a top school being an automatic selection for the county minor panel are over.
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Post by crokesbd on Apr 16, 2010 14:00:32 GMT
That's fine I can see most people on this forum are against Killarney and East Kerry players but Zusse well maybe you don't know much about the game if that's your take on it . I can guarantee you Pat was not happy with that performance and he will look to make changes . I hope they win an all ireland but I can't see it unless they make changes .
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Post by A.N. Other on Apr 16, 2010 14:25:20 GMT
Most people on this forum aren't against Killarney/East Kerry players but no one on this forum is being as biased as you are crokesbd. Pat O Driscoll is well able to pick his own team hence why he's was put in the job in the first place.
You're probably right that if the game went on for another 10 mins they probably would have lost, but the fact of the matter is, it didn't.They were 8 points up with about 5 mins to play and they were as good as doing there warm down, the subs were given a run the game was over and Tipp got two huge strokes of luck.
How many Sem players should be brought in? In my opinion, probably the two O Leary's and from what i here Keane from legion too. Eanna has came under alot of criticism, but he has experience and an all ireland which not many of the other players have, and i will admit i'm not his biggest fan either.
Thought midfield stuttered in the first half but for your first half an hour of representing your county thats not surprising, they grew into the game in the second half though. Thought the two lads from glenbeigh/glencar were our most outstanding players, Pa Kilkenny is a great find, could see shades of Marc Se in him. Thought grady player brilliant in full forward the ball stuck to him when it was kicked in.
Can this team beat the best of the northern teams? Its unlikely but if they played some of the football they played wednesday night for 60 minutes in Croke Park, they'd give any team a run for their money despite their lack of size and strength
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Post by crokesbd on Apr 16, 2010 14:46:14 GMT
I agree Kilkenny and O' Grady are very good and I agree with most of your statements Kerryman but that's the thing would they beat the ulster champs I don't think so either and can they play for 60 minutes that's the question . We will see down the road how good they really are if they win without the Killarney / East kerry boys I will be the first to say I was wrong .
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Post by kerryeye on Apr 16, 2010 14:52:30 GMT
The thing is crokesbd, is that they won't be doing it without the Killarney contingent.Pat was perfectly right in his decision not to bring any of the Sem lads straight onto the panel for the Tipp game.However I'm pretty certain that whoever of the Sem team is good enough will be brought in for the next game so i wouldnt be getting too worked up bout it or thinking that there is any bias there either!
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Post by Joxer on Apr 17, 2010 13:09:22 GMT
From what I understand, this is one of the best Limerick minor teams in many years. Apparently, the game is likely to be fixed for Newcastlewest on May 12th...Gaelic grounds would suit us a lot better in the circumstances....we'll need more 'muscle' if we're to get out of NCW with a win!!
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Post by Corner Back on Apr 17, 2010 16:27:02 GMT
For me the best players were: Pa Kilkenny James Walsh ....... Reen
All down the right wing.
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Post by hugh20 on Apr 17, 2010 17:49:22 GMT
I must say to crokesbd that you are being far too biased.....being from killarney myself and also a crokes fan...I would totally disagree with some of your opinions!! The sem boys could not have played because they had not been training etc. due to hogan cup,how can you play these guys when they have not been training?? it would just disrupt all harmony within the camp......it makes no sense to be honest and if there was no back door system I would have no doubt that Pat would have considered his options in regards to playin these sem lads!
My opinion on these sem lads are.....Sean McCarthy for me is not good enough I watched him closely in hogan final and his man got 5 points from play(that for me is not kerry minor material).......Enda Sullivan is not in training as far as I am aware he is a nice tidy little player but I would not have him in my panel...... Chris Davies is a nice player but I dont think he will make the panel......Chris O'Leary is just about good enough to make the panel..he has county championship experience in the previous 2 years which stands for an awful lot..... Shaun Keane is a good player and I think he will replace Durant......I think Gary O'Leary is a fine footballer and he will make panel...Lucey from Legion to put it simply is not good enough for this level....Brendan Falvey is a good player but I dont think he will make the panel..I think Tom Moriarty is a bit of a headless chicken when running with the ball but he has the ability to do damage being introduced from the bench a good man to nick a goal...and finally Jeff O'Donoghue is a fine footballer and I think he will come in to replace Barry Dwyer!!
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Post by funuki on Apr 18, 2010 15:12:29 GMT
3 sem players at most should be comin in to d panel. As d sayin goes if its not broke dont fix it and simply put if kerry hadnt conceded d 2 late goals people would be sayin how confortable d win was and how gud this minor team is. And jst to comment on wat joxer said this years limerick team is not gud I kno a few startin players on d panel and dey are very average.
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Post by himself on Apr 19, 2010 16:24:59 GMT
Brilliant assessment, Hugh20, and I would agree with most of it. Shaun Keane and Jeff O'Donoghue were brilliant for their respective clubs and I know that Chris O'Leary scored a penalty for Kilcummin seniors. However - and I again stress that I am not a Legion man or have any personal connection to Sean McCarthy - he did not concede 0-5 from play to his direct marker in the Hogan Cup final. Sean started at fullback, Chris Clarke started at centre forward and did immense damage. The Sem first moved Shaun Keane to centre back to try and limit him. They then moved Shaun Keane into midfield and switched Sean McCarthy on Clarke. He didn't beat him - the Down U21 player was outstanding all through - but he did curb his influence somwhat. The Colmans full forward Jerome Johnson then cut loose with two fine points - after Sean had been moved off him. I genuinely think that he is worth a good look.
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Post by zusse on Apr 20, 2010 18:52:22 GMT
Yes, i would also agree with "Hugh20"!!...Anyone know how many "Sem" boys are now training with minors??....
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Post by shescurling on Apr 26, 2010 22:24:58 GMT
Anyone know the definite venue for the limerick game? heard minors are crocked with injuries. Pitches are very dangerous at the moment!
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Post by onesided on May 1, 2010 21:35:41 GMT
I'm not a South Kerry man myself but does anyone else find it strange that there is such little representation from them on the panel? I know you've got Eanna, Barry O'Dwyer and Daniel Daly but its not great from 9 clubs who are perennial county minor finalists (though they haven't won since 2005) but people are raving about the Sem boys and Na Sceilge were within a score of them in the Corn Ui Mhuiri. I know Pat O'Driscoll has cast the net far and wide but surely Ciaran Keating of Skellig Rangers, Micheal O'Connor of Derrynane and Oran Clifford of Waterville are worth another look as they are big strong men with plenty of football. These are just a few I know from refereeing underage games. The best prospect of the lot is a Templenoe lad Tadgh Morley. I know he came on the last day and I know Pat sees him every night in training but for me he is pure class. A few who I've seen recently and who really impressed me were another strong fella from Spillane country Teddy Doyle and from Kenmare Alan O'Leary who looks a really astute mature footballer.
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Post by himself on May 2, 2010 11:06:46 GMT
Damien Horgan is the sub keeper as well. I'm pretty sure that most of Na Sceilge are overage for minor. Ciaran Keating is absolutely flying and I'd be amazed if he isn't wearing the jersey next year, could well be worth a look now. Mike and Oran are good footballers but I don't see who on the panel should be dropped for them. I agree about Alan and Tadhg, not quite so sure about Teddy. He was fantastic at U15 but I'm not sure if he has pushed on. I am told that Limerick are very fit and are battlers, but supposedly not great in front of the posts. No idea whether that's true or not - the boys knew damn well that they were talking to a Kerryman! Ammm...are you sure that "onesided" was the best pseudonym for an underage referee? I'd insert a smilie, but I don't know how to.
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Post by ruralgaa on May 4, 2010 9:23:03 GMT
Might be a change in the panel from the last day with the addition of the Sem lads nad there were 5 other players in over the last week as well.
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Post by mojo on May 4, 2010 10:15:12 GMT
They played mayo yesterday does anyone know how they got on... Any idea of the squad for limerick...
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Post by shescurling on May 4, 2010 14:02:36 GMT
I heard nothing of a challenge against Mayo. Maybe there was? According to words from a few Limerick Lads I Know its there best squad for years. Match is fixed for Newcastle West on Wednesday the 12th of May. Not sure about time.
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Post by mojo on May 4, 2010 14:16:15 GMT
One of the kerry players tld me they were playin in stacks at 12 yesterday...
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Post by bailor on May 5, 2010 14:32:45 GMT
there is a young lad by the name of Cian fitz playing at wing back for cordal at the moment and is playing outstanding stuff.. if my memory is correct he was wing back for the st.Kierans minor team last year.. i think he is playn well enough to deserve at least a trial.. or does any one know is he inside with them already
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Post by zusse on May 6, 2010 14:30:15 GMT
Anyone have a stab at da team for wednesday night?!..........
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Post by anbuachillmhaith on May 6, 2010 14:43:52 GMT
i can't see many switches being made here.much the same team as last game.
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Post by mossie on May 6, 2010 21:54:24 GMT
Himself, What football club does Teddy Doyle play with??? I know he plays his hurling with Kenmare but i think he is with Templenoe or Tousist for football. Teddy played centre forward for the kerry minor hurlers against Limerick and Clare. Also, is he a son of the Teddy Doyle that played for kenmare in the county football championship over the years?? Alan O'Leary is probably one of the best minor hurlers in the county. Always played for kerry in hurling coming through the under age ranks and won an ireland minor B hurling medal last year. He didnt feature this year though. I wonder is he focusing on football only. he would have been worth the 3 pts kerry were short against Limerick. Damien Horgan is the sub keeper as well. I'm pretty sure that most of Na Sceilge are overage for minor. Ciaran Keating is absolutely flying and I'd be amazed if he isn't wearing the jersey next year, could well be worth a look now. Mike and Oran are good footballers but I don't see who on the panel should be dropped for them. I agree about Alan and Tadhg, not quite so sure about Teddy. He was fantastic at U15 but I'm not sure if he has pushed on. I am told that Limerick are very fit and are battlers, but supposedly not great in front of the posts. No idea whether that's true or not - the boys knew damn well that they were talking to a Kerryman! Ammm...are you sure that "onesided" was the best pseudonym for an underage referee? I'd insert a smilie, but I don't know how to.
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Post by ruralgaa on May 6, 2010 22:17:35 GMT
Teddy Doyle is from Templenoe. His father is Paddy Doyle who used to play for Templenoe.
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Post by mossie on May 6, 2010 22:26:45 GMT
thanks rural Teddy Doyle is from Templenoe. His father is Paddy Doyle who used to play for Templenoe.
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Post by kerryeye on May 7, 2010 13:26:44 GMT
Anyone know what sem lads are in there with the minors now.I would expect that 2 or 3 of them would be close enough to making the panel for the limerick game anyway.
If the minors can repeat the performance of the first 20 minutes against Tipp then i would expect them to come through the Limericktest but if they go back to short passing and messng around the ball in the midle of the pitch then they could be in troule.
I think that the wake up call of the 2 late Tipp goals will have been the best thing for this team and I would expect Pat Driscoll will have them focussed and in good shape for this game.
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