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Post by gaaforlife on Jul 22, 2024 23:25:41 GMT
I gave myself a weeks cooling off period due to the dismay and rawness of defeat. Taking the fact that you learn more from losses and only a inches in it etc, I still haven't been moved from my thoughts for next year and moving forward. Fact of the matter is seem to be sqaundering the minor team but as is rightly pointed out, U20/21 is a better barometer so we are drastically failing in the conversion of the younger grade into the stepping stone for senior. In terms of the senior team, our football all this year and for large swathes of last year has been too conservative and the antithesis of what these lads grew up playing. Ive watched the game back and still can't get my head around how our backs are getting into premium shooting positions more than our forwards. Our attacking skill execution is poor, there is little cohesion and the most galling of all is how many times we had Armagh (and Derry in the game before if you watch back) scrambling when we got the ball only to turn back towards our own goal and let them set. This is a strategic & tactical failing of the management system and although its less pronounced than the Mickey Harte experiment in Derry, we have been on a downward trajectory. So it is, in my opinion at least, the right time to thank the current management for the joy brought from our first All Ireland in 8 years back in 2022 but to bring in a new set up. Well, new but old as my preference would be a Fitzmaurice & Tomás ticket with Tomás remaining in driving seat for the U20s. Last point, I listened to Parkinson's podcast during the week and it really irks me and annoys me when the old Brolly trope of Kerry blinking comes up. They are in so many of these contests all the time that its impossible not to find examples of where we came up short. Him (and Brolly & Canavan) forgot to mention how Kerry didn't wilt in '00 semi & final, '07 Quarter & Semi, '08 Semi, '09 final, '14 Semi & Final, '19 Semi Final, '22 Semi & Final, '23 Semi final.... They also beat Tyrone 4 times to go with the 4 defeats they have in the modern era. Same with Armagh, 2 wins & losses. Mayo have done us only the once in knockout football since 1996, Galway & Derry have yet to achieve it. The only ones we don't have a parity or winning record against is Dublin who have one more win than us but play all their games at home so its not bad really? Its lazy journalism and pure playing to the gallery, nonsense BS. No mention on how some of these other teams who have caused us to wilt themselves crumbled against the Sligo's, Fermanagh's, Roscommon's of this world in the same time frame? And Cork! Who never ever managed to make us fold in the big day in Croker. Agree however it's Sean cavanaghvat it more than Peter caravan
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Post by dc84 on Jul 23, 2024 7:01:34 GMT
People are kind of calling for Peter Keane. Maybe Tally in with Peter Keane would have been the magic formula. I don't know. I haven't a clue. I doubt that tbh jack won the league and all ireland in his first go I'm not so sure that pk would've ,he had a strong start aswell making the final in 19 but things regressed after (maybe like jack). To be fair he had covid to deal with aswell which wasn't easy
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Post by horsebox77 on Jul 23, 2024 7:22:27 GMT
I think Peter Keane was unlucky, we lost David to cramp in 2021, were a kick of a ball in 2019 and 2020 was just a disaster covid wise and the sicker punch in the park, however, I think the county boards appointment of Jack may have left a sour taste in the mouth of Keane, I suspect a few bridges have been burned in that regard...
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Post by tralee58 on Jul 23, 2024 7:50:36 GMT
The Irish Mirror article by Colm Boyle ‘ For life of me I can't understand why David Clifford is burning energy going backwards’ says the Kerry identity is lost. He said ‘ But, for as much as Armagh like to try and be structured and controlled, they are still at their absolute best when they play with instinct, courage and emotion’ Before the match I watched Ireland Rugby beat South Africa away in an incredible match by using instinct courage emotion maximally.
Tactics strategy structure control plays a part for sure but in my humble opinion the likes of Clifford brothers and Seanie thrive on the aforementioned. They seemed stifled. Taking nothing away from a great Armagh performance but you can’t help thinking Kerry be looking forward to a final if they had utilised the above. Can’t help thinking Kieran Donaghy instilled some of that. Anyway months to reflect now. A positive is Kerry ladies be good to hear a few comments from ladies on here. Ciarrai Abu
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Jul 23, 2024 8:59:37 GMT
I think Peter Keane was unlucky, we lost David to cramp in 2021, were a kick of a ball in 2019 and 2020 was just a disaster covid wise and the sicker punch in the park, however, I think the county boards appointment of Jack may have left a sour taste in the mouth of Keane, I suspect a few bridges have been burned in that regard... Sorry I didn't mean literally PK, but someone who likes to play attacking football. I recall him being a little fearful at least once mind.
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Post by horsebox77 on Jul 23, 2024 10:06:06 GMT
I think Peter Keane was unlucky, we lost David to cramp in 2021, were a kick of a ball in 2019 and 2020 was just a disaster covid wise and the sicker punch in the park, however, I think the county boards appointment of Jack may have left a sour taste in the mouth of Keane, I suspect a few bridges have been burned in that regard... Sorry I didn't mean literally PK, but someone who likes to play attacking football. I recall him being a little fearful at least once mind. AH I have you, thing is, there isn't exactly a class load of experienced coaches hammering at the door, any probably mentor would hold a degree of risk or inexperience, there prop is the alternative consortium from the previous vacancy but in truth, this talk of options is half pointless unless a vacancy actually emerges or exists...
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Post by glengael on Jul 23, 2024 11:38:08 GMT
Those calling for the return of Eamon Fitzmaurice might want to ponder on how we went backwards from 2015 Final to the nadir of 2018 (excluding the anomaly that was the 2017 League Final).
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Post by tralee58 on Jul 23, 2024 12:21:53 GMT
I gave myself a weeks cooling off period due to the dismay and rawness of defeat. Taking the fact that you learn more from losses and only an inches in it etc, I still haven't been moved from my thoughts for next year and moving forward. Fact of the matter is seem to be sqaundering the minor team but as is rightly pointed out, U20/21 is a better barometer so we are drastically failing in the conversion of the younger grade into the stepping stone for senior. In terms of the senior team, our football all this year and for large swathes of last year has been too conservative and the antithesis of what these lads grew up playing. Ive watched the game back and still can't get my head around how our backs are getting into premium shooting positions more than our forwards. Our attacking skill execution is poor, there is little cohesion and the most galling of all is how many times we had Armagh (and Derry in the game before if you watch back) scrambling when we got the ball only to turn back towards our own goal and let them set. This is a strategic & tactical failing of the management system and although its less pronounced than the Mickey Harte experiment in Derry, we have been on a downward trajectory. So it is, in my opinion at least, the right time to thank the current management for the joy brought from our first All Ireland in 8 years back in 2022 but to bring in a new set up. Well, new but old as my preference would be a Fitzmaurice & Tomás ticket with Tomás remaining in driving seat for the U20s. Last point, I listened to Parkinson's podcast during the week and it really irks me and annoys me when the old Brolly trope of Kerry blinking comes up. They are in so many of these contests all the time that its impossible not to find examples of where we came up short. Him (and Brolly & Canavan) forgot to mention how Kerry didn't wilt in '00 semi & final, '07 Quarter & Semi, '08 Semi, '09 final, '14 Semi & Final, '19 Semi Final, '22 Semi & Final, '23 Semi final.... They also beat Tyrone 4 times to go with the 4 defeats they have in the modern era. Same with Armagh, 2 wins & losses. Mayo have done us only the once in knockout football since 1996, Galway & Derry have yet to achieve it. The only ones we don't have a parity or winning record against is Dublin who have one more win than us but play all their games at home so its not bad really? Its lazy journalism and pure playing to the gallery, nonsense BS. No mention on how some of these other teams who have caused us to wilt themselves crumbled against the Sligo's, Fermanagh's, Roscommon's of this world in the same time frame? And Cork! Who never ever managed to make us fold in the big day in Croker. Excellent write up agree 👍
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Post by kot on Jul 23, 2024 14:10:53 GMT
I gave myself a weeks cooling off period due to the dismay and rawness of defeat. Taking the fact that you learn more from losses and only a inches in it etc, I still haven't been moved from my thoughts for next year and moving forward. Fact of the matter is seem to be sqaundering the minor team but as is rightly pointed out, U20/21 is a better barometer so we are drastically failing in the conversion of the younger grade into the stepping stone for senior. In terms of the senior team, our football all this year and for large swathes of last year has been too conservative and the antithesis of what these lads grew up playing. Ive watched the game back and still can't get my head around how our backs are getting into premium shooting positions more than our forwards. Our attacking skill execution is poor, there is little cohesion and the most galling of all is how many times we had Armagh (and Derry in the game before if you watch back) scrambling when we got the ball only to turn back towards our own goal and let them set. This is a strategic & tactical failing of the management system and although its less pronounced than the Mickey Harte experiment in Derry, we have been on a downward trajectory. So it is, in my opinion at least, the right time to thank the current management for the joy brought from our first All Ireland in 8 years back in 2022 but to bring in a new set up. Well, new but old as my preference would be a Fitzmaurice & Tomás ticket with Tomás remaining in driving seat for the U20s. Last point, I listened to Parkinson's podcast during the week and it really irks me and annoys me when the old Brolly trope of Kerry blinking comes up. They are in so many of these contests all the time that its impossible not to find examples of where we came up short. Him (and Brolly & Canavan) forgot to mention how Kerry didn't wilt in '00 semi & final, '07 Quarter & Semi, '08 Semi, '09 final, '14 Semi & Final, '19 Semi Final, '22 Semi & Final, '23 Semi final.... They also beat Tyrone 4 times to go with the 4 defeats they have in the modern era. Same with Armagh, 2 wins & losses. Mayo have done us only the once in knockout football since 1996, Galway & Derry have yet to achieve it. The only ones we don't have a parity or winning record against is Dublin who have one more win than us but play all their games at home so its not bad really? Its lazy journalism and pure playing to the gallery, nonsense BS. No mention on how some of these other teams who have caused us to wilt themselves crumbled against the Sligo's, Fermanagh's, Roscommon's of this world in the same time frame? And Cork! Who never ever managed to make us fold in the big day in Croker. Agree however it's Sean cavanaghvat it more than Peter caravan Sorry, my mistake. Indeed I meant Sean Cavanagh!
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Post by kot on Jul 23, 2024 14:17:41 GMT
Those calling for the return of Eamon Fitzmaurice might want to ponder on how we went backwards from 2015 Final to the nadir of 2018 (excluding the anomaly that was the 2017 League Final). It is also worth noting that he did win an All-Ireland in 2014 when I cannot ever remember expectations being lower. 2016 we were beaten in highly controversial circumstances by Dublin. That was Dublin at their absolute beginning of their peak and we had a mix of new kids on the block with aging stars and he had them beat with a novel tactical plan at the time but for said calls. 2017, our performance in Mayo replay was bad but the same ref made some absurd calls in that game too. 2018 was a disaster alright but at that point our old reliables were very much passed their best, JOD's injuries were getting the better of him and it was a little too early for the core of our team now. He has been the one man who has been able to innovate and probably was cursed by overachieving in the first couple of years. I do often wonder how he would have fared if he came in for the his first stint in 2022 rather than 2012 but we'll never know.
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Post by orangerhyme on Jul 23, 2024 14:21:39 GMT
Those calling for the return of Eamon Fitzmaurice might want to ponder on how we went backwards from 2015 Final to the nadir of 2018 (excluding the anomaly that was the 2017 League Final). It is also worth noting that he did win an All-Ireland in 2014 when I cannot ever remember expectations being lower. 2016 we were beaten in highly controversial circumstances by Dublin. That was Dublin at their absolute beginning of their peak and we had a mix of new kids on the block with aging stars and he had them beat with a novel tactical plan at the time but for said calls. 2017, our performance in Mayo replay was bad but the same ref made some absurd calls in that game too. He has been the one man who has been able to innovate and probably was cursed by overachieving in the first couple of years. I do often wonder how he would have fared if he came in for the his first stint in 2022 rather than 2012 but we'll never know. He didn't gave a great panel of players really but I think he got the best out of them. We probably only had a maximum 10 good players back then when in reality you need 17/18. Gooch wasn't the same after his injury, JOD was always injured. Donaghy was on his last legs. It's good he's still young and available to call on when needed.
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Post by ciarraimick on Jul 23, 2024 16:56:02 GMT
I gave myself a weeks cooling off period due to the dismay and rawness of defeat. Taking the fact that you learn more from losses and only a inches in it etc, I still haven't been moved from my thoughts for next year and moving forward. Fact of the matter is seem to be sqaundering the minor team but as is rightly pointed out, U20/21 is a better barometer so we are drastically failing in the conversion of the younger grade into the stepping stone for senior. In terms of the senior team, our football all this year and for large swathes of last year has been too conservative and the antithesis of what these lads grew up playing. Ive watched the game back and still can't get my head around how our backs are getting into premium shooting positions more than our forwards. Our attacking skill execution is poor, there is little cohesion and the most galling of all is how many times we had Armagh (and Derry in the game before if you watch back) scrambling when we got the ball only to turn back towards our own goal and let them set. This is a strategic & tactical failing of the management system and although its less pronounced than the Mickey Harte experiment in Derry, we have been on a downward trajectory. So it is, in my opinion at least, the right time to thank the current management for the joy brought from our first All Ireland in 8 years back in 2022 but to bring in a new set up. Well, new but old as my preference would be a Fitzmaurice & Tomás ticket with Tomás remaining in driving seat for the U20s. Last point, I listened to Parkinson's podcast during the week and it really irks me and annoys me when the old Brolly trope of Kerry blinking comes up. They are in so many of these contests all the time that its impossible not to find examples of where we came up short. Him (and Brolly & Cavanagh) forgot to mention how Kerry didn't wilt in '00 semi & final, '07 Quarter & Semi, '08 Semi, '09 final, '14 Semi & Final, '19 Semi Final, '22 Semi & Final, '23 Semi final.... They also beat Tyrone 4 times to go with the 4 defeats they have in the modern era. Same with Armagh, 2 wins & losses. Mayo have done us only the once in knockout football since 1996, Galway & Derry have yet to achieve it. The only ones we don't have a parity or winning record against is Dublin who have one more win than us but play all their games at home so its not bad really? Its lazy journalism and pure playing to the gallery, nonsense BS. No mention on how some of these other teams who have caused us to wilt themselves crumbled against the Sligo's, Fermanagh's, Roscommon's of this world in the same time frame? And Cork! Who never ever managed to make us fold in the big day in Croker. Very good post Kot.As the saying goes "Paper does nt refuse ink". Its easy to change the narrative on lots of things evem using facts.Its like the argument on the team of the noughties.Some say Tyrone and some say Kerry.The case for Tyrone is they met Kerry 3 times that decade and won 3 times.However the case for Kerry is Kerry won 5 All Irelands to Tyrones 3 and Kerry were only beaten by Tyrone Armagh Meath and Cork over the decadw.Tyrone were beaten by Armagh Derry Cork Meath Laois and Mayo and maybe others. When Kerry won their 5 Sams during the noughties it was said they only ever beat Connaught teams or Cork in finals.Fact yes but those years the Leinster or Ulster teams did nt make the finals. Actually some called Kerry chokers v Northern teams that decade same as Mayo knowm as chokers in finals.Cork were known as chokers v Kerry in croke park but were able to beat Tyrone Meath etc. Ironically the other team knowm as the worst chokers during the noughties were Dublin.As i say "Paper does nt refuse ink. Finally I see some now questioning Clare as they lost to Limerick twice.Who cares.Who is happier now,Clare or Limerick? We are lucky to be from a county that are always contenders so feck the begrudgers.
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Post by shannonsider on Jul 23, 2024 21:59:57 GMT
Those calling for the return of Eamon Fitzmaurice might want to ponder on how we went backwards from 2015 Final to the nadir of 2018 (excluding the anomaly that was the 2017 League Final). It is also worth noting that he did win an All-Ireland in 2014 when I cannot ever remember expectations being lower. 2016 we were beaten in highly controversial circumstances by Dublin. That was Dublin at their absolute beginning of their peak and we had a mix of new kids on the block with aging stars and he had them beat with a novel tactical plan at the time but for said calls. 2017, our performance in Mayo replay was bad but the same ref made some absurd calls in that game too. 2018 was a disaster alright but at that point our old reliables were very much passed their best, JOD's injuries were getting the better of him and it was a little too early for the core of our team now. He has been the one man who has been able to innovate and probably was cursed by overachieving in the first couple of years. I do often wonder how he would have fared if he came in for the his first stint in 2022 rather than 2012 but we'll never know. It’s also worth noting he had perhaps the worst day on the line by a Kerry manager in my life time in the 2015 final, which has NEVER got the scrutiny or comment it deserved to my mind. 1.The team selection, leaving out Darren O’Sullivan and Donaghy was poor. 2.He then compounded that by making appalling changes: James O’Donoghue and Geaney were both doing ok and got 0-3 from play each in a monsoon and left on Gooch who had been no threat and was tracking back into defence after Philly McMahon constantly. 3.When this was pointed out to him by selectors he refused to listen to them and actually blanked them. 4.The worst of all and one of the most shameful things a Kerry manager has done. Brought on his 36 year old brother in law whose legs were gone completely in the last quarter. Paul Galvin was a brilliant player in his day but everyone could see after 2013 his legs weren’t where they used to be. He played very little football at all in 2014 or 2015 and it was shocking to see him brought back in with Kerry. Fitzmaurice never got slated enough on it.
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Post by ciarraimick on Jul 23, 2024 22:30:01 GMT
It is also worth noting that he did win an All-Ireland in 2014 when I cannot ever remember expectations being lower. 2016 we were beaten in highly controversial circumstances by Dublin. That was Dublin at their absolute beginning of their peak and we had a mix of new kids on the block with aging stars and he had them beat with a novel tactical plan at the time but for said calls. 2017, our performance in Mayo replay was bad but the same ref made some absurd calls in that game too. 2018 was a disaster alright but at that point our old reliables were very much passed their best, JOD's injuries were getting the better of him and it was a little too early for the core of our team now. He has been the one man who has been able to innovate and probably was cursed by overachieving in the first couple of years. I do often wonder how he would have fared if he came in for the his first stint in 2022 rather than 2012 but we'll never know. It’s also worth noting he had perhaps the worst day on the line by a Kerry manager in my life time in the 2015 final, which has NEVER got the scrutiny or comment it deserved to my mind. 1.The team selection, leaving out Darren O’Sullivan and Donaghy was poor. 2.He then compounded that by making appalling changes: James O’Donoghue and Geaney were both doing ok and got 0-3 from play each in a monsoon and left on Gooch who had been no threat and was tracking back into defence after Philly McMahon constantly. 3.When this was pointed out to him by selectors he refused to listen to them and actually blanked them. 4.The worst of all and one of the most shameful things a Kerry manager has done. Brought on his 36 year old brother in law whose legs were gone completely in the last quarter. Paul Galvin was a brilliant player in his day but everyone could see after 2013 his legs weren’t where they used to be. He played very little football at all in 2014 or 2015 and it was shocking to see him brought back in with Kerry. Fitzmaurice never got slated enough on it. 2015 was a bad day no doubt.It was said by gaa folk that it was "a 3 point hammering." Fitzmaurice was poor that day but I would nt give the selectors a free pass either Diarmuid and Cian O Neill.Murphy got great praise afterwards as it appeared he was arguing with Fitzmaurice but Im not so sure. Also Marc O Se did nt play either and I was told before the team was selected he would nt be playing as Cian O Neill did nt want him starting as he had nt enough training done cos of injury.I was told this by an ex Kerry player who said Cian O Neill had too much clout.Then when team was picked there was no O Se.Both Darran and Donaghy made huge contributions on arrival but I agree both James and Paul Geaney were our two best scoring forwards and both were replaced. Also agree the introduction of Galvin was wrong and Tommy Walsh never used.However although Gooch was very poor that day Id say if he was taken off Fitzmaurice would never be forgiven.People would have said "oh if Gooch was left on we might have got a goal" Taking off Gooch was nt an optipn.Can you imagine if Jack took off David Clifford v Armagh.I do admit though that day in particular showed up Fitzmaurice badly but also Cian and Diarmuid. Fitzmaurice though is a great thinker on the game and is very sharp.He came up with the strategy to break Cluxton in 2016 and when he gave the signal before half time Kerry did crack Cluxton and hit Dublin for 2-2 in a flash.
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Post by kerryexile5 on Jul 23, 2024 22:44:07 GMT
Was chatting to a few Clare hurling fans before the hurling final in Dublin on Sunday and they just couldn’t believe how much Kerry have gone away from playing the Kerry way.
They loved the Gooch, Donaghy, Tomas O’se etc.
What is the identity of this current Kerry team?
Kieran Donaghy I think would motivate that dressing room in 2025.
I saw him below in Castleisland at the basketball over Xmas and he is just a leader in everyway.
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Post by ciarraimick on Jul 24, 2024 10:38:20 GMT
Was chatting to a few Clare hurling fans before the hurling final in Dublin on Sunday and they just couldn’t believe how much Kerry have gone away from playing the Kerry way. They loved the Gooch, Donaghy, Tomas O’se etc. What is the identity of this current Kerry team? Kieran Donaghy I think would motivate that dressing room in 2025. I saw him below in Castleisland at the basketball over Xmas and he is just a leader in everyway. Yes its sad and many have said same to me.Hopefully we will change next year.Even Jim McGuinness changed and is a way more attack minded than Kerry.
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Post by thehermit on Jul 24, 2024 11:04:21 GMT
What I don't know about Gaelic Football could fill the British Library, therefore I'd never have any issue with anyone whose deemed sufficiently qualified to get the senior inter-county job.
But Keane had his chances. He fully deserved to get the opportunity and he was, in ways unlucky too - yet we blew a lead in the dying moments of an All Ireland final because we were afraid to lose. Covid or not, 2020 was unforgivable -played with fear and went out to contain a vastly inferior opposition. He got a third chance in 2021 and the gameplan v Tyrone was crazy, even from the top of the Cusack I could see it wasn't working after 15mins and yet we persisted with it to the end. So look I wouldn't be advocating turning back to him going forward.
Eamonn was another who fully deserved the chance and did brilliantly in his first two years. He was also unlucky too in how referee's in Dublin's pocket and the home town crowds robbed us in the likes of 2016. However, as Shannonsider said above, the 2015 final was a disaster. Not starting Donaghy, our captain, when the soaking conditions were perfect for the chaos he brought into any full back line; the substitutions that day; the fact I was sitting nearby and could see Murphy screaming at him to change things and he stubbornly sticking to a pre-conceived gameplan regardless of how the conditions or reality of the play had rendered it ineffective. The 2017 semi-final replay was another disaster, I remember a few of us looking at each other in bewilderment when the changes to the starting 15 were announced over the tannoy before throw-in. You could tell we were fecked before a ball was caught. The less said about 18 the better, bar the moment of exhilaration when a young Mr Clifford rescued a drawn in Clones. Yes Eamonn had a Kerry team that was one of the weakest talent wise in a long time, but it was still good enough in the likes of 18 to be getting to a quarter/semi-final. Now Eamonn is still young, he's a great coach and an excellent innovator and I'm sure he learnt a lot from how the last few years with Kerry went. So if he was interested again after Jack or was sounded out about coming on board, I'd have no major qualms provided he has developed the self-awareness to bring in strong personalities with him who he allowed challenge him.
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Post by homerj on Jul 24, 2024 12:09:09 GMT
which fans are you referring to Kerrymick because i dont see anybody praising Tyrone and Donegal lately - donegal were the supposed new kings of Gaelic football until they ran out of gas and didnt score for the last 20 mins of the all ireland semi final? Tyrone have very few admirers right now and Kerry hammered them just over 1 year ago.
the GAA has a problem, it isnt Kerrys problem. you have to adapt to modern trends and its not Kerrys fault that these trends exist.
kerry missed 19 scoring chances against Armagh, yet you keep telling us we are playing with fear and not attacking. i point blame at Jack and the management team that the wrong men were getting these chances, we didnt adapt smartly enough (same as in 2015 final under fitzmaurice when dublin started this trend), what you are saying is completely different as if Kerry put 15 inside our 21 yard line and go out to win games 5pts to 4.
its pure nonsense, your hatred of Jack O Connor totally clouds any judgement you have on our play.
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Post by ciarraimick on Jul 24, 2024 12:23:50 GMT
which fans are you referring to Kerrymick because i dont see anybody praising Tyrone and Donegal lately - donegal were the supposed new kings of Gaelic football until they ran out of gas and didnt score for the last 20 mins of the all ireland semi final? Tyrone have very few admirers right now and Kerry hammered them just over 1 year ago. the GAA has a problem, it isnt Kerrys problem. you have to adapt to modern trends and its not Kerrys fault that these trends exist. kerry missed 19 scoring chances against Armagh, yet you keep telling us we are playing with fear and not attacking. i point blame at Jack and the management team that the wrong men were getting these chances, we didnt adapt smartly enough (same as in 2015 final under fitzmaurice when dublin started this trend), what you are saying is completely different as if Kerry put 15 inside our 21 yard line and go out to win games 5pts to 4. its pure nonsense, your hatred of Jack O Connor totally clouds any judgement you have on our play. Football fans and yes many have praised Donegal this year and many have questioned Kerry s style.Did you not read other posters posts.Even Clare hurling fans last Sunday questioning Kerry. I dont hate Jack but I dislike his slow build up style.If you are happy with it thats fine.Im happy for you but I am not and lots of people are not.Altho we won v Derry in quarter most Kerry people I know were totally appalled with the game. I attend most Kerry games and this year in particular I noticed David and Paul Geaney making runs and getting free in ff line screaming for the ball (when our half backs had it) only for the ball to be passed over and back before the two boys were marked again.On more than one occasion I saw David throw his arms up in disgust.He cast a very frustrated figure.
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Post by gaaforlife on Jul 24, 2024 23:39:56 GMT
"KERRY NOT THE FORCE THEIR NAME CARRIES ANYMORE" Thats the heading of an article in The Examiner is a press conference with Kieran McKeever and Donaghy.McKeever reckons Kerry s name does nt mean much anymore and Galway the best team they have faced over last couple of years.Us "Animals" will always find fault when we lose as we are a county thats won so much we need our fix of winning. It is sad though the way some people outside the county now speak and think of Kerry and make no mistake it is because of our fear and negativity at the moment. Most football fans admired Kerry even in defeat but now we are becoming boring.In the quarter final v Derry some fans were saying its "boring boring Kerry".Imagine if Kilkenny became fearful in the hurling!I think its sad. Even from 14 to 21 while we did nt win Sam,neutrals really enjoyed our football.Now we are one of the teams fans dont want to watch.. Now I know there has to be a happy medium as no point in playing swashbuckling football and getting beaten but when fans find Tyrone and Donegal a more attrative watch than Kerry there is something wrong. Kerry won in 2014 and regularly in finals 2019 2015. As much same record now since 2022 won 2023 finals lost 24 semi final similar back then slightly more attacking maybe Jack needs take head even if Kerry concede a bit more attacking suits Kerry maybe with little defence assurance but attacking conscious game it may help players Kerry have up front
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Post by southward on Jul 25, 2024 9:22:31 GMT
Those calling for the return of Eamon Fitzmaurice might want to ponder on how we went backwards from 2015 Final to the nadir of 2018 (excluding the anomaly that was the 2017 League Final). Aside from matters on the pitch, I recall Fitzmaurice being quite disparaging towards Kerry supporters in the latter part of his tenure. At one point, he referred to us as "every Tom, Dick and Harry"...whose "opinions don't count". Now, big deal, I hear you say, you're not on the panel and your opinion really doesn't carry weight. Fair enough but you'd imagine any management team would at least pay lip service to relations with the fanbase and there's no need to be insulting at any rate. Worse still was his exit after the Super 8s in 2018. It was claimed he was standing down to protect players from alleged abuse by Kerry fans. I think he had a box at home with letters or something. This led to a media-led frenzy of ill-will towards Kerry supporters, animals was the least of it. However in an interview a few days later, Fitzmaurice let it slip that he had always planned to leave at the end of the season no matter what. He also admitted that no player had been bothered by anything. It all pointed to Kerry fans being thrown under the bus to deflect from a poor campaign. That's a hard one to get over in the context of any future return.
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Post by thehermit on Jul 25, 2024 22:47:26 GMT
Those calling for the return of Eamon Fitzmaurice might want to ponder on how we went backwards from 2015 Final to the nadir of 2018 (excluding the anomaly that was the 2017 League Final). Aside from matters on the pitch, I recall Fitzmaurice being quite disparaging towards Kerry supporters in the latter part of his tenure. At one point, he referred to us as "every Tom, Dick and Harry"...whose "opinions don't count". Now, big deal, I hear you say, you're not on the panel and your opinion really doesn't carry weight. Fair enough but you'd imagine any management team would at least pay lip service to relations with the fanbase and there's no need to be insulting at any rate. Worse still was his exit after the Super 8s in 2018. It was claimed he was standing down to protect players from alleged abuse by Kerry fans. I think he had a box at home with letters or something. This led to a media-led frenzy of ill-will towards Kerry supporters, animals was the least of it. However in an interview a few days later, Fitzmaurice let it slip that he had always planned to leave at the end of the season no matter what. He also admitted that no player had been bothered by anything. It all pointed to Kerry fans being thrown under the bus to deflect from a poor campaign. That's a hard one to get over in the context of any future return. All very valid analysis Southward. And it all comes back to the Elephant that seems to have suddenly/miraculously appeared in the room for some Kerrymen involved on the sideline over the last few years. And I going to give my opinion on that "Elephant" (which is another fine member of the ANIMAL kingdom) as someone who can count on one hand the number of Kerry championship games I've missed since 09 at least (outside Covid restrictions)* Longford, Pearse Park, 2009; Sligo, ASP 2009 (weekend job in UCD), Tyrone, Killarney 2012, Clare, Killarney 2016, Mayo, Croke Park 2022, Derry, Croke Park 2024 and FYI I was one of the 500 that got in for the Munster Final in 2021 (I can supply ticket/match program and/or photo evidence for anyone that doubts it ) - Ok so I've a six fingered hand but you get the drift. ANYWAY: Are Kerry supporters not the best at travelling during the Championship - YES Was it always that way - YES Why - Yep journey time, expense of Dublin etc and the fact we are so reliant on jobs from agri/tourism/service sector. BUT it is also that we except to be in finals so semi-finals are par for the course and are not going to get the mojo flowing unless its something special. Do we have good support overall - YES - look at the amount of us that go up and down the country for the likes of the League. I'd go to 5-6 League games home and away every year and we'd always be as numerous (if not more) on our travels than our opponents coming to Tralee/Killarney. AND (not to be rude) BUT if you were given the choice of going to Clones/Roscommon/Ballybofey/Castlebar v Tralee or Killarney for a weekend, I think Kerry supporters do a great job going away than the others coming down to enjoy the Kindgom. So Jack and Eamon, as Dara said lately, you know the gig. And as someone that spends so much money and gives up so many weekend traipsing after Kerry teams shut the F up!!! One final NB point, Kerry fans don't suffer fools gladly -, we don't accept mediocrity, we don't eulogise heroic defeats, we don't put nearly runs on pedestals. We are ANIMALS, we are savage critics after defeat, we are completely impossible to please and that is why our county has 38 football titles. Go to Mayo is you want to celebrate failure.
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Post by tralee58 on Jul 26, 2024 8:29:30 GMT
Haven’t visited here for a while folks but thought I’d post the following after reading some comments I honestly think sometimes people over analyse a loss .. especially the most winninest teams like Kerry. There was a the kick of a ball between Kerry being in the final and pages full of praise & hope instead of lament, recriminations & a multitude of ideas on how to “fix” the problem Sometimes it’s just someone else’s day Personally I’m all up for seeing a new(ish) team win the AI …. That goes for the Hurling as well. Next year will be here in a flash …. And as per usual Kerry will be a favourite to win it ….. and it takes the losses to make the wins all the sweeter Nice philosophical points. Kerry’s talented players Were stifled the team seemed to be playing with fear and lacking courage when the match intensified. That is nothing to do with it being another teams day. It natural to have a look closely. If any performers don’t perform and you have travelled paid good money and there has not been a performance you query it, natural. Beaten by an excellent team like Dubz at their best you accept it take it on the chin. Taking nothing away from Armagh wish them well but Kerry fans know they should be in that final Sunday.
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Aug 1, 2024 11:19:29 GMT
Oisín McConville said on a podcast that Armagh were ten points better than Kerry in the semi-final.
One for the dressing room wall.
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Post by shannonsider on Aug 1, 2024 12:06:54 GMT
Oisín McConville said on a podcast that Armagh were ten points better than Kerry in the semi-final. One for the dressing room wall. On BBC social or somewhere else Annascaul? That’s a ridiculous statement if true.
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Post by thehermit on Aug 1, 2024 12:28:58 GMT
What is it about the Ulster teams they just can't help themselves! Just like their selector's comments before the final. No humility at all despite having 36 titles less than the county they're speaking about.
Hopefully our paths cross in the knock out stages next summer. Wouldn't mind taking Armagh and Dublin on the way to title 39! (Hoping Down might be in our group too so we can end that ridiculous record).
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Aug 1, 2024 13:12:31 GMT
Oisín McConville said on a podcast that Armagh were ten points better than Kerry in the semi-final. One for the dressing room wall. On BBC social or somewhere else Annascaul? That’s a ridiculous statement if true. BBC Social. And he wasn't joking. I was surprised.
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Aug 1, 2024 13:13:15 GMT
What is it about the Ulster teams they just can't help themselves! Just like their selector's comments before the final. No humility at all despite having 36 titles less than the county they're speaking about. Hopefully our paths cross in the knock out stages next summer. Wouldn't mind taking Armagh and Dublin on the way to title 39! (Hoping Down might be in our group too so we can end that ridiculous record). I think this ten points thing is off the wall but agree with the selector.
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Post by southward on Aug 1, 2024 21:40:06 GMT
I couldn't care less what people say about Kerry. However, it'd be hard to take McConville seriously as a pundit if he's coming out with stuff like this. Even allowing for parochial exhuberance in the aftermath, that's a crazy take on the game.
Armagh rode their luck that day and profited from Kerry wastefulness. In fact, if we hadn't passed up 2-4 in the third quarter, having already been 5 up at the break, it's quite conceiveable that Kerry could have won the game by 10 or more. In the end, as in the final, it was Armagh's superior efficiency in front of the posts that won the day. But only just.
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Post by dc84 on Aug 2, 2024 8:06:59 GMT
I do love this stuff of this team was better by x more than another or for whole reason for playing a match is to determine who was the better team. Armagh were 2 points better than us this year and that is a fact !
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