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Post by thepope on May 5, 2024 17:48:03 GMT
Job done today and minutes under the belt for likes of Cillian Burke, Brian O'Beaglaíoch, Jason Foley etc. Clare gave a good account of themselves and kept the crowd in it til the end though we were never going to lose this one.
Hope Gavin White is alright, seemed to take a hip/knee into the head in a collision.
Thought Paudie Clifford, Seanie, Paul Murphy and Tom Sullivan had fine games.
We'll kick a good total of points on most outings and that'll be enough to see off the majority of opponents bar the very top teams.
Unfortunately, we're still fluffing goal chances. The 2 chances we had today were nearly harder to miss than score.
We're giving up goal chances, often one defender rolled in the middle by the player in possession can be enough to open us up to midfield runners.
On the Clare goal, did anyone else hear the referee's whistle before the goal was scored? Thought he had blown for the free but decided not to bother then.
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Post by kerryblueboy on May 5, 2024 17:50:37 GMT
Thought Brosnan was good today offers way more than Moynihan on the ball big problems when teams run at us down the middle as example from the second half throw in very lucky worried about the form of the 2 Clifford’s not going well seanie is flying though outstanding today
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Post by dano on May 5, 2024 18:12:25 GMT
Another Munster final won. Thought the RTE commentary was very biased towards Clare. I know it's natural to hail the underdog but I don't hear it in Dublin games when they are blowing away opponents. Kerry never looked like losing today but , the way Ger and Paul were talking, Clare were winning all day . Kerry were only in second gear, the Monaghan game will call for bouts in Top gear. They won't let us down.
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Post by blacksheep21 on May 5, 2024 19:08:24 GMT
It was certainly a game that Kerry were the better team for from pretty much start to finish. 23 points is good scoring when you consider how defensive Clare were at times. Clares shooting efficiency was also very impressive and at least 4 of their points were low percentage shots that went over. My overall sense is that Kerry are missing Jack Barry’s defensive nous and that while Joe and Diarmuid did ok, they do not have the defensive mindset that Barry had and we certainly feel more vulnerable defensively than what we have been the last couple of years,
The Cliffords like the team overall had some very good moments but seem a bit off their overall peak. This more than anything is contributing to the feeling that we are treading water currently.
Best today for me were Seanie, Brosnan, Foley and Paul Murphy (who by the way is a guaranteed starter no matter who is available). I thought Moynihan also did ok, passed well, w9n breaks and scored - again almost a certain starter.
Overall though, no need to panic yet, it is likely we have 3 more games before we have a game that is actually a knockout and there is time yet to find the necessary improvement.
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Post by The16thMan on May 5, 2024 19:12:51 GMT
On the Clare goal, did anyone else hear the referee's whistle before the goal was scored? Thought he had blown for the free but decided not to bother then. I certainly heard the whistle also, by the letter of the law play should have been called back and the free given, I wouldn't rate Fergal Kelly as a ref tbh even before today but I think Clare earned that bit of luck for their performance. Should Clare have gone on to win by 1-3 points it would have been quiet controversial. I don't have too many issues with Kerry winning while playing poorly this time of year, especially with the lack of a Division 1 team in the round robin. Kerry need to peak in Croke Park not before.
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Post by legendz on May 5, 2024 20:15:52 GMT
Two Kerrymen in charge of Limerick used to give Kerry competitive games. A Kerryman in charge of Clare had them competitive enough. For Kerry, just matter of moving on really. A big win in last year's Munster final counted for little after Mayo visited Killarney. The Clare support was very poor considering they packed 20,000 for Limerick in the hurling. If the supporters of these counties don't rate the Munster open draw, Kerry and Cork based on league seeding should have been seeded in the semi-finals to avoid each other. Why persist in a provincial final that does not carry the respect of the people. Clare people voted with their feet that finishing 3rd in Division 3 and beating 8th from Division 4 to make a Munster final is not an achievement. There needs to be a reality check amongst Clare, Limerick, Tipperary and Waterford. If they want a seeded semi-final spot, earning that ranking through league performance would be fair. A lot of managers, players and supporters seem to agree that the league is a balanced competition. The league should be utilised for common sense for a more balanced Munster Championship draw.
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Post by mitchelsontour on May 5, 2024 20:57:59 GMT
Very harsh on the clare support as they had limerick and away to cork last weekend and have two more high profile games with more risk attached to them in the next few weeks.
Let's see how they get on against cork before proposing making things a closed shop again.
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Post by kingdom92 on May 5, 2024 21:31:38 GMT
Two Kerrymen in charge of Limerick used to give Kerry competitive games. A Kerryman in charge of Clare had them competitive enough. For Kerry, just matter of moving on really. A big win in last year's Munster final counted for little after Mayo visited Killarney. The Clare support was very poor considering they packed 20,000 for Limerick in the hurling. If the supporters of these counties don't rate the Munster open draw, Kerry and Cork based on league seeding should have been seeded in the semi-finals to avoid each other. Why persist in a provincial final that does not carry the respect of the people. Clare people voted with their feet that finishing 3rd in Division 3 and beating 8th from Division 4 to make a Munster final is not an achievement. There needs to be a reality check amongst Clare, Limerick, Tipperary and Waterford. If they want a seeded semi-final spot, earning that ranking through league performance would be fair. A lot of managers, players and supporters seem to agree that the league is a balanced competition. The league should be utilised for common sense for a more balanced Munster Championship draw. If cork want to be seeded then maybe they shouldn't lose to clare
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Post by exiled on May 5, 2024 21:36:25 GMT
Two Kerrymen in charge of Limerick used to give Kerry competitive games. A Kerryman in charge of Clare had them competitive enough. For Kerry, just matter of moving on really. A big win in last year's Munster final counted for little after Mayo visited Killarney. The Clare support was very poor considering they packed 20,000 for Limerick in the hurling. If the supporters of these counties don't rate the Munster open draw, Kerry and Cork based on league seeding should have been seeded in the semi-finals to avoid each other. Why persist in a provincial final that does not carry the respect of the people. Clare people voted with their feet that finishing 3rd in Division 3 and beating 8th from Division 4 to make a Munster final is not an achievement. There needs to be a reality check amongst Clare, Limerick, Tipperary and Waterford. If they want a seeded semi-final spot, earning that ranking through league performance would be fair. A lot of managers, players and supporters seem to agree that the league is a balanced competition. The league should be utilised for common sense for a more balanced Munster Championship draw. Definitely not a legend with this post considering how little support Kerry had today.
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Post by horsebox77 on May 5, 2024 21:41:03 GMT
Two Kerrymen in charge of Limerick used to give Kerry competitive games. A Kerryman in charge of Clare had them competitive enough. For Kerry, just matter of moving on really. A big win in last year's Munster final counted for little after Mayo visited Killarney. The Clare support was very poor considering they packed 20,000 for Limerick in the hurling. If the supporters of these counties don't rate the Munster open draw, Kerry and Cork based on league seeding should have been seeded in the semi-finals to avoid each other. Why persist in a provincial final that does not carry the respect of the people. Clare people voted with their feet that finishing 3rd in Division 3 and beating 8th from Division 4 to make a Munster final is not an achievement. There needs to be a reality check amongst Clare, Limerick, Tipperary and Waterford. If they want a seeded semi-final spot, earning that ranking through league performance would be fair. A lot of managers, players and supporters seem to agree that the league is a balanced competition. The league should be utilised for common sense for a more balanced Munster Championship draw. Definitely not a legend with this post considering how little support Kerry had today. Was in North Strand, at a guess, we were outnumbered 4/1
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Post by gaaforlife on May 5, 2024 22:06:37 GMT
It was certainly a game that Kerry were the better team for from pretty much start to finish. 23 points is good scoring when you consider how defensive Clare were at times. Clares shooting efficiency was also very impressive and at least 4 of their points were low percentage shots that went over. My overall sense is that Kerry are missing Jack Barry’s defensive nous and that while Joe and Diarmuid 9did ok, they do not have the defensive mindset that Barry had and we certainly feel more vulnerable defensively than what we have been the last couple of years, The Cliffords like the team overall had some very good moments but seem a bit off their overall peak. This more than anything is contributing to the feeling that we are treading water currently. Best today for me were Seanie, Brosnan, Foley and Paul Murphy (who by the way is a guaranteed starter no matter who is available). I thought Moynihan also did ok, passed well, w9n breaks and scored - again almost a certain starter. Overall though, no need to panic yet, it is likely we have 3 more games before we have a game that is actually a knockout and there is time yet to find the necessary improvement. I agree totally more reflection from what posted early Kerry not at best but don't need to be could a boost be that even more are writing them off in pundits. Oisin mC conville now saying they are out of race for Sam, thought that's bit early to say .
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Post by gaaforlife on May 5, 2024 22:09:08 GMT
Kerry were always comfortable. Ref gave a lengthy advantage before Clare goal. Otherwise game was well over. To listen to Rte commentary anyone would think Clare had won. Kerry always in a no win situation. Game won. Move on. No need for criticism at this stage. Long Summer ahead. Probably correct no need to get top bogged down on greater reflection series only getting started. Oisin mc conville has written Kerry on a sidenote
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Post by Attacking Wing Back on May 5, 2024 22:10:04 GMT
I get where people are coming from when they say Kerry were in a no win situation today. However some trends that were apparent all year continued today. Our midfield is a glaring issue and I don't care what anyone says. We will not beat a top team with that partnership. I don't know what the alternative is or even if there is one but, the 2 O'Connors seem to lack any of the defensive awareness Jack Barry, David Moran or even Anthony Maher brought to the middle of the park.
One of our midfielders drops back as a 6 to let Tadhg sweep. Watching from the terrace today while Joe was doing most of the dropping back he seemed to have no idea where he should be. And on another note. Seanie today made a pile of runs and dummy runs inside. Most often than not he was out front but, we were hand passing and generally arsing about with the ball rather than kicking it in.
On a final note well done to Shane Murphy as well today. Thought he did well
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Post by gaaforlife on May 5, 2024 22:14:17 GMT
Oisin really going bit ott basically writing Kerry off and monaghan even missing players have strong chance vs Kerry.
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Post by legendz on May 5, 2024 22:15:09 GMT
Very harsh on the clare support as they had limerick and away to cork last weekend and have two more high profile games with more risk attached to them in the next few weeks. Let's see how they get on against cork before proposing making things a closed shop again. Definitely not suggesting a closed shop. Clare and Limerick were in Division 2 last year. League seems a fair barometer for provincial seeding. If cork want to be seeded then maybe they shouldn't lose to clare The two seeded counties can still be drawn on the same side of the draw under the current arrangement. It can vacate the other side of the draw to be completely lopsided. Definitely not a legend with this post considering how little support Kerry had today. If Clare people didn't rate qualifying for the Munster final as they did, Kerry people were hardly going to be much more enthusiastic about the challengers.
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Post by legendz on May 5, 2024 22:26:31 GMT
Munster championship retained, after two average performances to be honest, very laborious in attack. Alarming stat: Waterford, Clare, Tipperary and cork scored a goal in the Munster championship this year, Limerick and Kerry did not Poor from Kerry but waterford scored goal vs tipp. But ye be concern more with no goals although defence at times was exposed. Midfield did well enough. Again you would be hoping Kerry would improve just unsure where they are ? Maybe they are holding back. But need to improve even against Monaghan Some of the goal chances being butchered have similarities with the 2021 All-Ireland semi-final. The Clare goal chance just after half time had similarities to the 2019 All-Ireland final replay. Some old gremlins popping up in defence and attack. These will need to be ironed out during the group stage, all going well, before the business end of the championship. I wouldn't be overly concerned at this stage. A lot of counties will be targeting the group win this year. Monaghan will have been hatching their plan for causing disruption in two weeks time. Probably going to be the only proper test before the quarter-finals, all going well of course.
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Post by The16thMan on May 5, 2024 22:32:44 GMT
Very harsh on the clare support as they had limerick and away to cork last weekend and have two more high profile games with more risk attached to them in the next few weeks. Let's see how they get on against cork before proposing making things a closed shop again. Definitely not suggesting a closed shop. Clare and Limerick were in Division 2 last year. League seems a fair barometer for provincial seeding. If cork want to be seeded then maybe they shouldn't lose to clare The two seeded counties can still be drawn on the same side of the draw under the current arrangement. It can vacate the other side of the draw to be completely lopsided. Definitely not a legend with this post considering how little support Kerry had today. If Clare people didn't rate qualifying for the Munster final as they did, Kerry people were hardly going to be much more enthusiastic about the challengers. I don't think Kerry are ever in a position to question other counties about the level of support their fans give. Kerry support has always been brutal I find outside of All Ireland finals and games vs Dublin. I know we've a bigger stadium but we've more success, but I think the last time we sold out a home game was vs Mayo in 2019 Super 8s. Before that was possibly Cork drawn game in Munster 2015. There was 43,000 at our All Ireland semi-final vs Derry last year. I don't think there'll be much more than the 12,059 we saw in Ennis today (which I thought was mostly Clare fans) for the Monaghan game in Killarney in 2 weeks either. My point is, Kerrys support has always been very poor, especially in recent years so we as Kerry fans definitely can't point the finger at other counties for not supporting their team.
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Post by Aodhan on May 5, 2024 22:52:25 GMT
A major plus is the form of Seanie O’Shea, he is playing the best football of his career. I would prefer that he took all those free off the ground.
Another is Cillian Burke, a very exciting prospect. I love seeing him on the ball.
Paul Geaney also seems to be very sharp along with now showing an even greater degree of experience and coolness. It will be difficult to keep him out of the first 15.
Killian Spillage seems to becoming more and more of an enigma. Brilliant in the league against Galway, roasting one of there top two backs in Jack Glynn and showing good form generally all year. First game since and only making a cameo appearance. Outside of Dublin I feel he would get on any other first 15, an out an out forward.
On the game itself, we are not giving Clare enough of respect/credit. I thought that they were brilliantl in the way they played to the maximum of their ability. They took some great scores , shooting at a very high percentage. Kudos to Mark Fitzgerald here. First time I Ihave seen him, impressed with everything about him. It’s obvious the players love him. Must be odds on now to be the next Kerry manager. I see no other viable candidate. Maybe if Tomas O Se and Aidan O Shea if the U20’s win out, then they may come into the equation. That’s for another day.
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Post by legendz on May 5, 2024 22:56:10 GMT
Definitely not suggesting a closed shop. Clare and Limerick were in Division 2 last year. League seems a fair barometer for provincial seeding. The two seeded counties can still be drawn on the same side of the draw under the current arrangement. It can vacate the other side of the draw to be completely lopsided. If Clare people didn't rate qualifying for the Munster final as they did, Kerry people were hardly going to be much more enthusiastic about the challengers. I don't think Kerry are ever in a position to question other counties about the level of support their fans give. Kerry support has always been brutal I find outside of All Ireland finals and games vs Dublin. I know we've a bigger stadium but we've more success, but I think the last time we sold out a home game was vs Mayo in 2019 Super 8s. Before that was possibly Cork drawn game in Munster 2015. There was 43,000 at our All Ireland semi-final vs Derry last year. I don't think there'll be much more than the 12,059 we saw in Ennis today (which I thought was mostly Clare fans) for the Monaghan game in Killarney in 2 weeks either. My point is, Kerrys support has always been very poor, especially in recent years so we as Kerry fans definitely can't point the finger at other counties for not supporting their team. I accept your point. My point is frustration at the open draw. Galway v Mayo was a good spectacle. If Kerry and Cork are the top two Munster seeds on league ranking, I just don't think their should be any cribbing about using it as seeding for a balanced Munster draw. Some counties want an open draw but they are not getting the support of their own people for success in a lopsided draw. Sligo beat London and New York last year. Got to a Connacht final ahead of Mayo who lost to Roscommon, who in turn lost to Galway! Today the Connacht final benefitted from a balanced draw, by luck of draw. A provincial final worthy of being a provincial final. Hurling at least has a round robin which should result in the best two in the final. Football doesn't have the weekends for a provincial round robin but the league being balanced 1 to 32 provides a fair ranking. Example balanced draw using league ranking: Kerry v Limerick/Tipperary. Cork v Clare/Waterford.
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Post by edgeofthesquare on May 5, 2024 23:39:03 GMT
A major plus is the form of Seanie O’Shea, he is playing the best football of his career. I would prefer that he took all those free off the ground. Another is Cillian Burke, a very exciting prospect. I love seeing him on the ball. Paul Geaney also seems to be very sharp along with now showing an even greater degree of experience and coolness. It will be difficult to keep him out of the first 15. Killian Spillage seems to becoming more and more of an enigma. Brilliant in the league against Galway, roasting one of there top two backs in Jack McGrath and showing good form generally all year. First game since and only making a cameo appearance. Outside of Dublin I feel he would get on any other first 15, an out an out forward. On the game itself, we are not giving Clare enough of respect/credit. I thought that they were brilliantl in the way they played to the maximum of their ability. They took some great scores , shooting at a very high percentage. Kudos to Mark Fitzgerald here. First time I Ihave seen him, impressed with everything about him. It’s obvious the players love him. Must be odds on now to be the next Kerry manager. I see no other viable candidate. Maybe if Tomas O Se and Aidan O Shea if the U20’s win out, then they may come into the equation. That’s for another day. I didn’t think Paul Geaney had much of an influence bar his involvement in the goal chance that ended up with Barry Dan hitting the crossbar. I think the reason Killian Spillane is getting such limited game at the moment is they are looking for a corner forward with a bit of creativity and who likes to get involved in the build up play to start alongside David and Seanie. Killian’s game is all about scoring which doesn’t really work when they’re looking at Seanie and David as our main men inside. This could be Tony Brosnan’s year because I think he’s perfect for that role. On the Mark Fitzgerald point I think that statement is way off the mark. Doing a decent job with Clare doesn’t and shouldn’t get anyone the Kerry job. He’s definitely a prospect though and it’s good we’ve a few options along with him showing early promise like Tomas, Wayne Quillinan and Mike Quirke (seems to have a big role in the current management team) because options were looking very bleak for a while.
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Post by Aodhan on May 6, 2024 1:09:28 GMT
A major plus is the form of Seanie O’Shea, he is playing the best football of his career. I would prefer that he took all those free off the ground. Another is Cillian Burke, a very exciting prospect. I love seeing him on the ball. Paul Geaney also seems to be very sharp along with now showing an even greater degree of experience and coolness. It will be difficult to keep him out of the first 15. Killian Spillage seems to becoming more and more of an enigma. Brilliant in the league against Galway, roasting one of there top two backs in Jack Glynn and showing good form generally all year. First game since and only making a cameo appearance. Outside of Dublin I feel he would get on any other first 15, an out an out forward. On the game itself, we are not giving Clare enough of respect/credit. I thought that they were brilliant in the way they played to the maximum of their ability. They took some great scores , shooting at a very high percentage. Kudos to Mark Fitzgerald here. First time I Ihave seen him, impressed with everything about him. It’s obvious the players love him. Must be odds on now to be the next Kerry manager. I see no other viable candidate. Maybe if Tomas O Se and Aidan O Shea if the U20’s win out, then they may come into the equation. That’s for another day. I didn’t think Paul Geaney had much of an influence bar his involvement in the goal chance that ended up with Barry Dan hitting the crossbar. I think the reason Killian Spillane is getting such limited game at the moment is they are looking for a corner forward with a bit of creativity and who likes to get involved in the build up play to start alongside David and Seanie. Killian’s game is all about scoring which doesn’t really work when they’re looking at Seanie and David as our main men inside. This could be Tony Brosnan’s year because I think he’s perfect for that role. On the Mark Fitzgerald point I think that statement is way off the mark. Doing a decent job with Clare doesn’t and shouldn’t get anyone the Kerry job. He’s definitely a prospect thoThanks for tearing ugh and it’s good we’ve a few options along with him showing early promise like Tomas, Wayne Quillinan and Mike Quirke (seems to have a big role in the current management team) because options were looking very bleak for a while. Thanks for tearing my post to shreds, if you contested my opinions on Seanie and Cillian you would have completed the demolition job Mark Fitzgerald has served his time with the underage system in Kerry without becoming manager, he is very well thought of within the ranks. A blind man could see that. I expect he will go on to become a great manager. What has Tomas O Se done. nothing of note. Lucky to get past Clare after extra time last year and lost to Sligo. Both poor performances with a teams that under achieved. I didn't see last week's final, excellent for what I hear so there is hope. The first two games were nothing to write home about. All those games are a reflection on Tomas and I did give him a chance. Mike Quirke talks a great game but so far has little to show for it. We have no idea how much say he has with the present Kerry set up. If he has a big say Jack has come a long way from his more stubborn days. On the other hand Marks is starting to prove himself. Lets see how he goes in a very difficult group. At the very least it will be great experience. Then there is Wayne Quillinan, no comment. If Kerry can afford to give Killian garbage minutes then we are in a great place. I did not advocate starting him but I certainly would not dismiss it either. By the way Seanie does a lot of roaming and to great effect. It may even be possible that he doesn't stay inside often enough. See the havoc Comer and Finnerty did today. It is now very much a 20 man game. those who finish can be just as important as those who start. It's the sign of a great management team if they can utilize those 20 properly. Killian has to be very much in the mix if Kerry are to win the AI. Killian is a very similar player to Finnerty, I even rate Killian higher.
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Post by royalkerryfan on May 6, 2024 7:15:55 GMT
I get where people are coming from when they say Kerry were in a no win situation today. However some trends that were apparent all year continued today. Our midfield is a glaring issue and I don't care what anyone says. We will not beat a top team with that partnership. I don't know what the alternative is or even if there is one but, the 2 O'Connors seem to lack any of the defensive awareness Jack Barry, David Moran or even Anthony Maher brought to the middle of the park. One of our midfielders drops back as a 6 to let Tadhg sweep. Watching from the terrace today while Joe was doing most of the dropping back he seemed to have no idea where he should be. And on another note. Seanie today made a pile of runs and dummy runs inside. Most often than not he was out front but, we were hand passing and generally arsing about with the ball rather than kicking it in. On a final note well done to Shane Murphy as well today. Thought he did well Great Post, Sums up my feelings.
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Post by edgeofthesquare on May 6, 2024 8:37:50 GMT
I didn’t think Paul Geaney had much of an influence bar his involvement in the goal chance that ended up with Barry Dan hitting the crossbar. I think the reason Killian Spillane is getting such limited game at the moment is they are looking for a corner forward with a bit of creativity and who likes to get involved in the build up play to start alongside David and Seanie. Killian’s game is all about scoring which doesn’t really work when they’re looking at Seanie and David as our main men inside. This could be Tony Brosnan’s year because I think he’s perfect for that role. On the Mark Fitzgerald point I think that statement is way off the mark. Doing a decent job with Clare doesn’t and shouldn’t get anyone the Kerry job. He’s definitely a prospect thoThanks for tearing ugh and it’s good we’ve a few options along with him showing early promise like Tomas, Wayne Quillinan and Mike Quirke (seems to have a big role in the current management team) because options were looking very bleak for a while. Thanks for tearing my post to shreds, if you contested my opinions on Seanie and Cillian you would have completed the demolition job Mark Fitzgerald has served his time with the underage system in Kerry without becoming manager, he is very well thought of within the ranks. A blind man could see that. I expect he will go on to become a great manager. What has Tomas O Se done. nothing of note. Lucky to get past Clare after extra time last year and lost to Sligo. Both poor performances with a teams that under achieved. I didn't see last week's final, excellent for what I hear so there is hope. The first two games were nothing to write home about. All those games are a reflection on Tomas and I did give him a chance. Mike Quirke talks a great game but so far has little to show for it. We have no idea how much say he has with the present Kerry set up. If he has a big say Jack has come a long way from his more stubborn days. On the other hand Marks is starting to prove himself. Lets see how he goes in a very difficult group. At the very least it will be great experience. Then there is Wayne Quillinan, no comment. If Kerry can afford to give Killian garbage minutes then we are in a great place. I did not advocate starting him but I certainly would not dismiss it either. By the way Seanie does a lot of roaming and to great effect. It may even be possible that he doesn't stay inside often enough. See the havoc Comer and Finnerty did today. It is now very much a 20 man game. those who finish can be just as important as those who start. It's the sign of a great management team if they can utilize those 20 properly. Killian has to be very much in the mix if Kerry are to win the AI. Killian is a very similar player to Finnerty, I even rate Killian higher. I agree on Spilllane, he is being underutilised. When he has such a high strike rate of coming on Croke Park and kicking scores it’s hard to understand how he’s barely getting a run at the moment. I would have had him as a starter in my championship team picking it before it started but I can see why they’re looking to go in a slightly different direction. Should he be coming on before Paul Geaney? Possibly. I think Mark Fitzgerald could be a good option but it would be an awful risk to put someone in charge based off managing Clare and being a selector with the minors in a time that they didn’t perform well. There are managers who could do very well with the likes of a Clare but be no where near good enough for the Kerry job although in fairness he does play good football. I agree Tomás, Quirke and Quillinan haven’t anything proved either so we’re not in a great position.
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Post by paudief on May 6, 2024 9:36:25 GMT
On the game itself, we are not giving Clare enough of respect/credit. I thought that they were brilliantl in the way they played to the maximum of their ability. They took some great scores , shooting at a very high percentage. Kudos to Mark Fitzgerald here. First time I Ihave seen him, impressed with everything about him. It’s obvious the players love him. Must be odds on now to be the next Kerry manager. I see no other viable candidate. Maybe if Tomas O Se and Aidan O Shea if the U20’s win out, then they may come into the equation. That’s for another day.
Yeah, they were better than I expected, and have really something to build on there, with a few nice players. The number 11 (Coughlan, I think his name was), the big midfielder, the number 7, who got the goal, the full-forward line looked decent as well.
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Post by kerrysouth on May 6, 2024 9:50:04 GMT
Well done to Kerry on winning the Munster final yesterday showed up a few weaknesses which is what you need in games like these.Got slaughtered on this forum a few days ago when I suggested Murphy was a credible alternative to ryan and after yesterday display you can see where I was coming from.Agree totally with edge of the square regarding Fitzgerald if being beaten by Down in the league by 11 pts and failing to get out of division 3 along with a poor stint with the Kerry minors along with a tame exit with Limerick in the tailteann cup getting to the Munster final because they beat Waterford in the easier side of the draw and his defensive system conceded 23 pts yesterday should have conceded at least 2 goals as well then we really are in a bad place regarding future Kerry managers .Rememer Clare were in division 2 last year and beat Cork in the Munster championship who they now meet in the qualifiers in Ennis I think at a minimum he needs to repeat that performance to show progress.But in fairness to him I think he like john Evans Liam Evans you will see him involved with second tier counties on that circuit going forward and fair play to him there is nothing wrong with that and best of luck to him with Clare in the qualifiers I hope he does well like all my fellow Kerrymen when they venture outside of Kerry and are not playing kerry
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Post by kerrysouth on May 6, 2024 9:52:52 GMT
Meant Liam Kearns R.I.P.
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Post by veteran on May 6, 2024 10:43:25 GMT
We are bringing a defensive guru all the way down from Tyrone, at top dollar I have been informed . Credit where credit is due , he seems to have devised an eye catching, new , revolutionary defensive formula. This can be summarised as “ leave the barn door wide open at all times” . They tell me all great inventions are simple. The strategy was so “effective” that Shane Murphy had to make two wonderful saves to prevent the Clare team and their supporters from becoming rabid dogs. Kudos to Shane.
Who was detailed to mark Clare’s number eleven? Nominally, if the jersey numbers are the yardstick, it was Tadgh Morley but it may have been somebody else’s chore. Either way, that Clare player was allowed run amok unchaperoned ,particularly in the first half. He reminded me of a racehorse who had ditched his jockey and as a consequence could run anywhere to cause destruction. Did any of the management team make a move to correct that anomaly as the half progressed . If so, it escaped my attention.
I get, to an extent, the talk about a defensive midfielder even though the lionizing of Jack Barry in that respect is a little on the fanciful side. A case of absence making the heart grow fonder. Anyway, back to the point. How many “defenders” did we have back when Clare got their goal. God, it was brutal. allowing a Clare player, who has no more football in him than my two year old grandson, weave his way through a massed defence. Admittedly, it was clear that the referee had blown his whistle well before the goal was scored. But no matter how you look at it ,it was awful defending . In tune with several other puerile defensive efforts.
Talking about the referee, a very whistle happy little boy. He set the tone for me very early on. In the opening minutes of the game a Clare defender was coming out with the ball when Cillian Burke , who did well, put in a fairly innocuous high tackle, Fair enough, it warranted a free out I suppose. Needless to say the Clare player went down . In the meantime , Cillian and the referee went out to take up their positions to face the ensuing free. When the referee turned around to face the free he noticed the poor Clare player was still down thinking of his mama. Oh gosh says the referee I better issue a yellow card here or the locals will have me by the goulies. He duly acted so which was a signal for the Clare boy’s resurrection. Typical weak refereeing.
Another annoying feature in the first half was now often our two midfielders jumped for the same ball. Basic stuff . My ball , Joe or Diarmuid as the case maybe . Overall , I thought Diarmuid was our most consistent player. Joe was too inconspicuous for my liking.
I was happy enough with the display of our forwards. The disturbing feature in that respect is how alien scoring goals has become for us. Must be remedied.
I was impressed with Clare. Mark Fitzgerald has them well tutored. An interesting game in prospect between themselves and Cork in Ennis.
I sill have confidence in this panel of players to deliver the ultimate prize. Unfortunately, I do not have the same confidence in our management. Prove me wrong lads.
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Post by thepope on May 6, 2024 11:32:46 GMT
Regarding a few points raised.
Shane Murphy did well. He's always had a more accurate kickout than Shane Ryan and can go either side quickly whereas Shane Ryan has to circle around the ball to kick to his right. This signals to the opposition what's coming as well as taking longer.
However, Shane Murphy has occasionally shown to be suspect under a high ball, he's been caught out at club and inter-county level at this. Shane Ryan is more commanding in his area. Both keepers are good shot stoppers. I'd probably pick Shane Murphy for a penalty shootout. Then again, Shane Ryan is the better outfield player and can kick a score as we saw vs. Derry last year. If you combined the two Shane's you'd have the perfect goalkeeper.
On Clare's number 11, Dermot Coughlan. He's a fine footballer and well able to carry ball. In the first half he was dropping the Clare side of midfield to pick up ball. The conundrum then is if Morley follows him, we lose out +1 at the back. Tom Sullivan was tasked with following him in the 2nd half and that reduced his impact. Ideally we'd have made that change sooner and lessened Coughlan's impact.
Finally, Veteran's point on Joe and Diarmuid jumping for the same ball is spot on and yesterday wasn't the first time this has happened. They were doing the same thing vs. Cork. I'd feel it's the responsibility of the player behind to stay on the ground as he can see his teammate. If you're first up to the ball you can't have eyes on the back of your head.
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Post by hurlingman on May 6, 2024 12:38:45 GMT
Thanks for tearing my post to shreds, if you contested my opinions on Seanie and Cillian you would have completed the demolition job Mark Fitzgerald has served his time with the underage system in Kerry without becoming manager, he is very well thought of within the ranks. A blind man could see that. I expect he will go on to become a great manager. What has Tomas O Se done. nothing of note. Lucky to get past Clare after extra time last year and lost to Sligo. Both poor performances with a teams that under achieved. I didn't see last week's final, excellent for what I hear so there is hope. The first two games were nothing to write home about. All those games are a reflection on Tomas and I did give him a chance. Mike Quirke talks a great game but so far has little to show for it. We have no idea how much say he has with the present Kerry set up. If he has a big say Jack has come a long way from his more stubborn days. On the other hand Marks is starting to prove himself. Lets see how he goes in a very difficult group. At the very least it will be great experience. Then there is Wayne Quillinan, no comment. If Kerry can afford to give Killian garbage minutes then we are in a great place. I did not advocate starting him but I certainly would not dismiss it either. By the way Seanie does a lot of roaming and to great effect. It may even be possible that he doesn't stay inside often enough. See the havoc Comer and Finnerty did today. It is now very much a 20 man game. those who finish can be just as important as those who start. It's the sign of a great management team if they can utilize those 20 properly. Killian has to be very much in the mix if Kerry are to win the AI. Killian is a very similar player to Finnerty, I even rate Killian higher. I agree on Spilllane, he is being underutilised. When he has such a high strike rate of coming on Croke Park and kicking scores it’s hard to understand how he’s barely getting a run at the moment. I would have had him as a starter in my championship team picking it before it started but I can see why they’re looking to go in a slightly different direction. Should he be coming on before Paul Geaney? Possibly. I think Mark Fitzgerald could be a good option but it would be an awful risk to put someone in charge based off managing Clare and being a selector with the minors in a time that they didn’t perform well. There are managers who could do very well with the likes of a Clare but be no where near good enough for the Kerry job although in fairness he does play good football. I agree Tomás, Quirke and Quillinan haven’t anything proved either so we’re not in a great position. If it was between the four names mentioned I'd go with Fitzgerald. While it was short but he also managed Limerick last year. As others have said Mike Quirke can talk a good game but he's time with Laois would suggest he'd struggle to back up that talk. Tomas is a hard one as he's by no means the only one to struggle with the U21/20 team in the last 20 odd years.
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Post by anriochtabu23 on May 6, 2024 13:46:26 GMT
Jack O'Connor had 3 AI winning minor teams albeit without Sean O'Shea and DC and went out limping V Kildare in the U20's.
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