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Post by allrounder on Nov 29, 2023 8:57:51 GMT
ya its the first time ever playing a final in Ballyduff. not see that pitch in about 15 years, but may venture over there for the final to have a look. did they do work on it? because it used be very wet in Winter and they played any games at this time of year, on their top pitch. who are favs for the final by the way? and what do people reckon here? Should be a good contest. If Senans can nullify Jack Kennelly (easier said than done), they will win. I see Maurice Murphy is the referee, what North Kerry club is he from!!!!
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Post by horsebox77 on Nov 29, 2023 9:41:46 GMT
ya its the first time ever playing a final in Ballyduff. not see that pitch in about 15 years, but may venture over there for the final to have a look. did they do work on it? because it used be very wet in Winter and they played any games at this time of year, on their top pitch. who are favs for the final by the way? and what do people reckon here? Should be a good contest. If Senans can nullify Jack Kennelly (easier said than done), they will win. I see Maurice Murphy is the referee, what North Kerry club is he from!!!! I would imagine Sean T will track Kennedy. Jason Foley and Barry Mahoney will be a nice clash too. Murphy is originally south Kerry, I think Foilmore, very good up and coming referee in NK, I've seen him ref a lot of U15 and Minor games last few years, very fair.. he talks and talks and talks to the players ... that way there is no confusion and everyone knows where they stand. Good choice IMO.
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Post by otobeawinner on Nov 29, 2023 22:21:37 GMT
Should be a good contest. If Senans can nullify Jack Kennelly (easier said than done), they will win. I see Maurice Murphy is the referee, what North Kerry club is he from!!!! I would imagine Sean T will track Kennedy. Jason Foley and Barry Mahoney will be a nice clash too. Murphy is originally south Kerry, I think Foilmore, very good up and coming referee in NK, I've seen him ref a lot of U15 and Minor games last few years, very fair.. he talks and talks and talks to the players ... that way there is no confusion and everyone knows where they stand. Good choice IMO. Maurice is a decent ref. It's not easy balance the "let the game flow" with "following the rules" if he can be consistent and stick to his own gameplan in what will be a testing environment he will do well. He does tend to talk a bit too much though. A fine line again I know. While on refs. I didn't see any of the big 2 ref any match but I may stand corrected S mulvihill, B Griffin or E Morgan for that matter. What's the story there or will we get a nothing to see here post. I thought Denis Kennelly did well in the matches he did. Mike H is consistent to be fair (love him or otherwise) Some of the others are not up to this level.
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Post by homerj on Nov 30, 2023 9:15:44 GMT
ya a good chance for new refs to get finals anytime ballydonoghue and senans play in a final (3rd one in recent years) as the 2 top refs in NK, are from either club.
think overall, ballydonoghue in their 5th final and senans in their 4th since 2016 and will have met each other 3 times now, 1 each so far, both very comprehensive.
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Post by homerj on Nov 30, 2023 9:18:55 GMT
ya its the first time ever playing a final in Ballyduff. not see that pitch in about 15 years, but may venture over there for the final to have a look. Car could park in the village and walk down I suppose agreed, id say parking in the village and walking up, is the way to go, especially for getting out quick afterwards.
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Post by mojo on Dec 4, 2023 20:03:51 GMT
Is murphy definitely the ref?? Lots of talk of mike Hennessy after getting it to show his talent??
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Post by thehermit on Dec 4, 2023 20:41:33 GMT
Guys will this be on clubber or anything?
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Post by allrounder on Dec 4, 2023 22:04:13 GMT
Is murphy definitely the ref?? Lots of talk of mike Hennessy after getting it to show his talent?? Heard there was a change alright
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Post by homerj on Dec 4, 2023 22:40:32 GMT
Guys will this be on clubber or anything? Don't think clubber, NK have their own set up. Maybe on YouTube.
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Post by horsebox77 on Dec 4, 2023 22:43:54 GMT
Is murphy definitely the ref?? Lots of talk of mike Hennessy after getting it to show his talent?? Heard there was a change alright Heard nothing of late, but was surprised seeing as Ballyduff was the venue that one of the over 75 brigade would be handed the golden whistle .. jez om fairness, its time to give young refs the responsibility and coldly cull and put out pasture some of the older lads... If Mike is reffing, I'm heading to Berkies to put a score on a draw..
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Post by homerj on Dec 5, 2023 8:22:47 GMT
Heard there was a change alright Heard nothing of late, but was surprised seeing as Ballyduff was the venue that one of the over 75 brigade would be handed the golden whistle .. jez om fairness, its time to give young refs the responsibility and coldly cull and put out pasture some of the older lads... If Mike is reffing, I'm heading to Berkies to put a score on a draw.. Young refs have done plenty of NK finals, problem is two of them are from the two finalists!
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Post by horsebox77 on Dec 5, 2023 9:30:20 GMT
Heard nothing of late, but was surprised seeing as Ballyduff was the venue that one of the over 75 brigade would be handed the golden whistle .. jez om fairness, its time to give young refs the responsibility and coldly cull and put out pasture some of the older lads... If Mike is reffing, I'm heading to Berkies to put a score on a draw.. Young refs have done plenty of NK finals, problem is two of them are from the two finalists! Ya, three of the main contenders, ate club tied.... I would actually be advocating for a Tralee or outside ref for finals, I know it's a great honour to referee or officiate at a major final, but I would rather see say a NK ref officiate over the O'Donoghue Cup Final, and say a South Kerry man standing in Ballyduff Sunday etc... Even though a North Kerry ref may not be club tied, there are always affiliations through family, relationships, business, work or historical.
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Post by homerj on Dec 5, 2023 15:53:44 GMT
the NK refs just let the game flow, sure its part of the fun.
i remember as a young lad in my first NK championship game nearly getting the head taken off me and just a strong word and a free to the offender. sure where else would you want to be apart from out on the middle of it. last thing you want is some lad from another region blowing the whistle every 30 seconds.
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Post by shannonsider on Dec 8, 2023 1:02:38 GMT
Gone fierce dead here.
Who do people see winning this Sunday? Based on semi final form I would see Ballydonoghue winning and they’re familiar with Ballyduff also. But there’s been a few weeks gap for Senans to get some work done. They were possibly a bit rusty due to Crotta hurling run v Tarbert. They will need to play a lot better for certain. I think they will but it may not be enough. Seán T v Jack Kennelly and Barry O’Mahony v Brian O’Seanacháin could be worth the admission alone!
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Post by horsebox77 on Dec 8, 2023 8:40:16 GMT
Jez, I would have the opposite view, I would be Senan's for me, I see your reasoning and like you said, Ballydonoghue would be familiar with Ballyduff, I was impressed on how methodical St. Senans were in possession and their scoring return from same. I actually think Senans were only in third gear against Tarbert, who’s game plan and offering up the kickout ploy was baffling.
I actually think Barry O’Mahoney will go to the forty and be picked up by Jason Foley, this will be a key clash, I know Barry is back in with the extended panel, he had seriously bulked up and being honest it’s prob now or never for the Senans man. It wasn’t that long ago that when asked who his favourite player was to deliver a ball in, David Clifford answered with the name of Barry O’Mahoney. Some forget he partnered Diarmuid O’Connor in that Minor All Ireland win.
The clash of he and Foley will be crucial as will on the opposite side of the field the clash of Kennedy and Sean T Dillon.
Where Mahoney is often seen as the marquee midfielder, I actually think Cillian Trant offers more consistently, Brian O’Seanacháin is a fine player but I think Cillian offers more, for this reason, I’m leaning towards Senans.. I just think when they get this far, they usually see it out.
The winning mentality of Crotta and the great year, winning is a habit, for me .. I can’t see beyond them.
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Post by veteran on Dec 8, 2023 12:18:03 GMT
While I have seen St. Senans against Listowel and Tarbert I haven’t seen Ballydonoghue play , therefore I am not in a position to say who the likely winner might be . St. Senans were hugely impressive against Listowel, less so against Tarbert. There is also the complication that Listowel may not have been fully focused that day with a more ambitious project in the pipeline.
I am pleased to hear that Barry O’Mahony is in with the extended Kerry panel but if he is in with the hurlers as well that muddles things. It is difficult to serve two masters at that level.
One man who always impresses me when I see him play with St. Senans is Cillian Trant at midfield. Strong in the air with a relentless work ethic and honesty of effort. He is the type of footballer Mick O’Dwyer would summon in a heart beat . After a season or two in the in the training camp, Micko would work the rough edges off him as he did with , for instance, Pat McCarthy and Eoin Liston. Sadly , I get the impression that Jack O’Connor prefers to be supplied with the finished product, preferably a graduate from the Kerry minor/u20 ranks. Of course , like Barry O’Mahony, there is the Kerry hurling commitment with a Cillian as well.
Best of luck to Listowel tomorrow.
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Post by homerj on Dec 8, 2023 14:36:09 GMT
weather forecast for the weekend is poor, so that could destory all 3 games that are taking place for Listowel, NK final and Dingle.
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Post by thesquareball on Dec 10, 2023 11:47:27 GMT
match today is closely poised,with the weather hopefully not been the deciding factor.For senans if barry mahony ,cillian trant and sean t dominate their positions senans will be on their way to victory,and likewise for bally donohue with jack kennelly and jason foley.One more thing is senans have won their last 2 finals whereas bally donohue have lost the last 2
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Post by horsebox77 on Dec 10, 2023 13:50:25 GMT
christ, we'll be heading for hot port after this, I'm rattling already and the ball isn't even thrown yet.
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Post by homerj on Dec 10, 2023 16:12:25 GMT
2-6 to 1-6 in favour of ballydonoghe on a brutal brutal day of weather.
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Post by veteran on Dec 10, 2023 16:52:02 GMT
Ballydonoghue 2-6 St. Senans 1-6. HT 1-3. 1-2
They say only dogs and Englishmen go out in the midday sun. They also say only demented Mountcoal and Ballydonoghue men try to play football in a monsoon. A monsoon it was in Ballyduff today. That meant we got no classic but rather a game riddled with mistakes and stoppages. Moderate fare indeed but the wonder is that we got any fare at all. In that context, full marks to all the players who deigned to tog out today. Not a word of criticism is warranted towards any footballer on view .
Ballydonoghue played with the help of that monsoon in the first half. They clipped over a few early points and then an early Christmas present for them and calamity for St. Senans. A high speculative ball dropped in , appeared to be going wide , seemed to skid on the surface and creep in , deceiving the hapless St. Senans goalie. A dream start and the prospect of a St. Senans exit before they had become familiar with their surroundings . Rather than demoralizing the lads from the Halfway, it transformed them. into a collection of terriers, scavenging for everything that fell their way and other things that didn’t. Clearly, Ballydonoghue were rattled and the half reached a crescendo when St. Senans were awarded a penalty. Valid or not, I was too far away to say. Valid or not, Conor Kennelly crashed it home. Down just a point at the break with the the monsoon at their backs for the second half, my pension went on the Mountcoal lads at that stage. Well , suffice to say I am a little poorer now. Could be a bleak Christmas for this old codger.
St. Senans were busy when the game recommenced but significantly had two early wides. They eventually did score the equalising point but it was hard earned . It was noticeable now that it was Ballydonoghue who were the snapping terriers , aggressively contesting every ball. It was now the turn of St. Senans to be rattled. Messy efforts at securing two of their kicks out resulted in two frees for Ballydonoghue which were scored .That was hugely significant against the gale. With Barry O’Mahony unable to create a whole lot against Jason Foley Senans were shorn of their chief , offensive fulcrum. It is not to say that Jason was a dominant figure but Barry was neutered . That is always advantage defender. And of course it was Jason who made the crucial move which finalised matters , more or less. He won a ball in his own half and made a scorching run up the middle to the edge of the square. It looked as if he would shoot himself but craftily picked out sniper in chief, Jack Kennelly. Thanks for that Jason said Jack before rifling home. It’s all over now Baby Blue, as Bob Dylan used to say.
All over it was in spite of heroic fielding by Cillian Trant. Ballydonoghue were the better tesm , the craftier team . Deserving winners.
One criticism I have of the winners is that too often in the second half they tended to go down “injured”. It is the modern way I suppose.
Once again, thanks to all the players for playing in those horrendous conditions.
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Post by Ballyfireside on Dec 10, 2023 17:58:32 GMT
Hi folks - the Ballydonoghoors have me back from sabbatical and what a Sabbath!
Interesting pre-match stuff here, and stuffed a few got - couldn't resist. Anyway nobody put their neck on the line and these types of games often swing on a puff and a bit puffy it was.
Looks like Veteran is again MOTH though Moneen's Kennelly and Moybella's Foley has the Ballyconry Road in full glow on a dark December evening, and well done to all. P.S. Sorry for omitting Mikey Nolan initially - how could I? And there may even be more from this road - just what do they put in their corn flakes - The Lower Moybella Ingredient!
I had occasion to hear Peter Keane sing loud of our Michael (Mitch) Foley earlier in the year and around the time he gave an awesome show vs St Mary's of an evening in Milltown - how did he do today I wonder?
Not taking from big broth Jayo's silky skills but the younger has that purist unadulterated authentic 'hoor look about him - the traditional type of player, and maybe a biteen of sibling rivalry drove 'em both on? Sure the Kennellys and Foleys between 'em could nearly field their own team and I am sure those of us who know the lineages here can sense the Gods looking down on us this evening - alive and kicking, etc!
And well done to the townies too - interestingly, or not, but 'tis also the Gale that separates us, and, well sure maybe the gales blew in our both our favours today - what breaks you also makes you, or was it today more, what divides us unites us?
Paidí O'6 believed the turkey tasted better with the auld cannister on the dresser so at least some of us have a nice dinner to look forward to - 'mon the 'hoors - now wait 'till I catch that turkey.
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Post by thesquareball on Dec 10, 2023 20:00:42 GMT
like veteran i thought it was a done deal at half time, senans down a point with a storm at their back in the second half.senans had put in a great defensive effort in first half but their attacking game in second half was very poor with only 2 points from play in total.Ballydonahoe at one stage went 6 up in second half against the gale and were the better team Senans seem to have lost a lot of players over the last couple of years and this has not helped their cause
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Post by homerj on Dec 10, 2023 21:41:10 GMT
Is there a chance that the flags and wind fooled us all it was 0 advantage to anybody?
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Post by horsebox77 on Dec 10, 2023 22:52:50 GMT
Is there a chance that the flags and wind fooled us all it was 0 advantage to anybody? Interesting theory.
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Post by homerj on Dec 11, 2023 9:10:22 GMT
Is there a chance that the flags and wind fooled us all it was 0 advantage to anybody? Interesting theory. it was one of the strangest winds you will ever see. it seemed to be blowing down towards the village (ie into the corner) more than down the pitch which meant that any team who attacked stand side, had an easier time than attacking the other side. keepers seemed unable to get the balls out long "with" the elements. there was also times where it honestly felt like the wind was blowing into the dressing room side. conclusion : conditions were difficult for both teams for 65 minutes
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Post by Ballyfireside on Dec 11, 2023 23:56:22 GMT
I was absent for a while and thought I was missing great chat - has the forum gone down a bit?
An auld match report from horsebox could only compliment Vets.
'Tis bad when the weather is the conundrum of a day when the 'hoors prevailed and 'hoors they are - in that relegation battle in Milltown in the summer they trailed St Mary's all the way, until right when it mattered. Mitch Foley was the kingpin while Jayo was badly taken out.
Having attended a few top club games around the nation in recent years I take pleasure in reporting that what I have recently seen locally stands out - yip, we have the class alright, though the auld native factor is also at play I suppose - Nil aon tinteán, etc although I have my own fire!
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Post by Ballyfireside on Dec 12, 2023 1:21:02 GMT
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Post by horsebox77 on Dec 12, 2023 10:12:28 GMT
An auld match report from horsebox could only compliment Vets. Not much to add to it really, it was a poor game due to the inclement weather, December is not conducive to attractive football, the low scoring or return rate is testament to that. I was primarily going with an open mind and view the capability of Barry Mahoney when facing a seasoned intercounty defender, I have to say, Foley held the upper hand here and it stifled the launch pad for Senans. Killian Trant was a power house though in my opinion but he is already established in the small ball panel. Speaking of match reports, I am surprised no one here has mentioned the passing of Eamon Horan, the Kerryman match day journalist, I grew up reading that man and hovered over every word. He was a great man to preview a game, in a day before social media he and his ilk, were the link to news or the finger on the pulse on player form or injuries.
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Post by homerj on Dec 12, 2023 11:57:38 GMT
alot of deaths recently
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