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Post by Premier on Aug 22, 2023 15:40:55 GMT
GROUP 1: East Kerry, West Kerry, South Kerry, Templenoe
GROUP 2: Feale Rangers, St Kierans, Kenmare Shamrocks, Rathmore
GROUP 3: Mid Kerry, Shannon Rangers, Spa, Kerins O’Rahillys
GROUP 4: Dingle, St Brendans, Dr Crokes, Na Gaeil
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Post by orangerhyme on Aug 22, 2023 17:09:05 GMT
GROUP 1: East Kerry, West Kerry, South Kerry, Templenoe GROUP 2: Feale Rangers, St Kierans, Kenmare Shamrocks, Rathmore GROUP 3: Mid Kerry, Shannon Rangers, Spa, Kerins O’Rahillys GROUP 4: Dingle, St Brendans, Dr Crokes, Na Gaeil Is Group 1 the "group of death"?
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Post by horsebox77 on Aug 22, 2023 17:13:26 GMT
What's the format?
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Post by Premier on Aug 22, 2023 17:19:50 GMT
GROUP 1: East Kerry, West Kerry, South Kerry, Templenoe GROUP 2: Feale Rangers, St Kierans, Kenmare Shamrocks, Rathmore GROUP 3: Mid Kerry, Shannon Rangers, Spa, Kerins O’Rahillys GROUP 4: Dingle, St Brendans, Dr Crokes, Na Gaeil Is Group 1 the "group of death"? By ‘Group of death’ do you mean all the other 3 teams will be hammered to death by EK?
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Post by greengold35 on Aug 22, 2023 17:48:04 GMT
GROUP 1: East Kerry, West Kerry, South Kerry, Templenoe GROUP 2: Feale Rangers, St Kierans, Kenmare Shamrocks, Rathmore GROUP 3: Mid Kerry, Shannon Rangers, Spa, Kerins O’Rahillys GROUP 4: Dingle, St Brendans, Dr Crokes, Na Gaeil Is Group 1 the "group of death"? Hardly a group of death - WK & SK are not nearly as strong as they used to be - one of Gaeltacht & St Mary’s will be in the Intermediate relegation play off, Templenoe could be in the senior relegation play off. Group 4 the most likely Group of Death if Stacks commit numbers to St Brendans.
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Post by greengold35 on Aug 22, 2023 17:58:18 GMT
The group stage shall be on a league basis with four groups of four teams, with each team in a Group playing the other teams once. The top two teams in each group qualify for the quarter-finals. For the quarter-finals, the top team in each group is drawn against a second placed team in another group.
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Post by orangerhyme on Aug 22, 2023 18:02:51 GMT
Is Group 1 the "group of death"? Hardly a group of death - WK & SK are not nearly as strong as they used to be - one of Gaeltacht & St Mary’s will be in the Intermediate relegation play off, Templenoe could be in the senior relegation play off. Group 4 the most likely Group of Death if Stacks commit numbers to St Brendans. Ok. I thought SK and WK were stronger. What are people's predictions for top 2 in each group?
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Post by horsebox77 on Aug 22, 2023 19:07:49 GMT
The group stage shall be on a league basis with four groups of four teams, with each team in a Group playing the other teams once. The top two teams in each group qualify for the quarter-finals. For the quarter-finals, the top team in each group is drawn against a second placed team in another group. Sound man, thanks
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Post by horsebox77 on Aug 22, 2023 19:12:22 GMT
GROUP 1: East Kerry, West Kerry, South Kerry, Templenoe GROUP 2: Feale Rangers, St Kierans, Kenmare Shamrocks, Rathmore GROUP 3: Mid Kerry, Shannon Rangers, Spa, Kerins O’Rahillys GROUP 4: Dingle, St Brendans, Dr Crokes, Na Gaeil My top two predictions Group One: East and Templenoe Group Two: Rathmore and Kenmare Group Three: Spa and Mid Kerry Group Four: Crokes and Dingle
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Post by Premier on Aug 22, 2023 20:01:05 GMT
Is Group 1 the "group of death"? Hardly a group of death - WK & SK are not nearly as strong as they used to be - one of Gaeltacht & St Mary’s will be in the Intermediate relegation play off, Templenoe could be in the senior relegation play off. Group 4 the most likely Group of Death if Stacks commit numbers to St Brendans. Any word if Stacks are commuting players to Brendan’s?
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Post by edgeofthesquare on Aug 22, 2023 22:40:17 GMT
GROUP 1: East Kerry, West Kerry, South Kerry, Templenoe GROUP 2: Feale Rangers, St Kierans, Kenmare Shamrocks, Rathmore GROUP 3: Mid Kerry, Shannon Rangers, Spa, Kerins O’Rahillys GROUP 4: Dingle, St Brendans, Dr Crokes, Na Gaeil East Kerry and Templenoe Rathmore and Kierans Mid Kerry and Spa Dingle and Brendans
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Post by glengael on Aug 23, 2023 10:03:03 GMT
Anyone else think the pre covid format was perfect and there was no need to change it. No dead rubbers every game was a proper championship match. Why does everything in the gaa have a group stage now More games, more money I guess.
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Post by mossie on Aug 29, 2023 23:09:49 GMT
I expect most divisonal teams are not even training yet?
It will be very interesting to see how St Brendans go, if Stacks integrate well into them you have a potential force
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Post by Premier on Aug 30, 2023 21:12:24 GMT
It’s been a busy time for Paudie Clifford. Two weeks after Kerry’s All-Ireland final defeat to Dublin, the play-maker was back in action for his club Fossa, and after three games on the bounce, he finds himself looking forward to a county intermediate championship quarter-final.
While Sunday’s trip to Castleisland to play Desmonds (4pm) is the main thing on his mind at the moment, Clifford will soon be getting ready to join the East Kerry squad as they attempt to retain the Bishop Moynihan Cup by collecting a fourth title in five seasons in the process.
While returning to club duty has enabled the inter-county forward to move on, to some degree, from the heart-break of Croke Park on July 30, Clifford, who turned 27 today, believes that having two different group stages, for club and county championships, is potentially too much.
On the go for his fourth weekend in succession, if Fossa should emerge victorious on Sunday, the semi-finals will take place the following weekend. Add in the three group weekends after that in the county’s blue riband event, and you’re playing eight games on the trot with no week off.
Returning the county championship to one of the old versions, of the first round, losers’ round and then straight knock-outs, would be more to Clifford’s liking, as it would at least give the possibility of having a two-week gap between games on one occasion over such a busy period.
“I would go that way, if they were re-thinking it. You’re in a group in the intermediate for us this year, and you have three games, and then you’re into another group. I think we could change to the losers’ round, like it was before,” he said.
“At least there would be one less game anyway. I would do that alright. It must be especially tough for the senior clubs, going from one group into another group. That must be tough. I do think they could probably look at the losers’ round.”
Despite that, Clifford is a huge fan of the split-season, even though inter-county players don’t seem to get a real break from competitive fare at all. The fact that you don’t have to be hopping back and forth between Kerry and the clubs is what makes the new format popular.
“I do like the split-season because it works very well. You can put all your eggs into the inter-county basket, and then you can take them all out for the club, rather than keeping an eye on one or the other. It works that way,” he added.
“It is tough, but that’s just the way it’s going to be. If there was no split-season, we would still have two championships to play, from September to December. It was still going on all year, so I don’t think that it makes too much of a difference that way.
“It was a tough few weeks after the All-Ireland final, but we felt the best thing was to get back at it, and put everything into the club, and the club season. It helped maybe to take our minds off the All-Ireland, so it probably worked out well in that way.
“I felt that I was tired the week after the All-Ireland final, and obviously very down about the result, but then I felt good the week after being back training. I went straight back into it, and it’s been okay. I don’t feel tired now anyway, I’m just enjoying being back with the club lads and all that.
“It’s tough, but I think, if the split-season wasn’t there, we would still have two championships to play. It’s good that we have a few more weeks to play it, because inter-county finishes at the end of July.
"Obviously it’s tough, but there’s no other way of doing it really. I’m not complaining about it.”
*Paudie Clifford was speaking at the official launch of the new partnership between Clubber TV and Kerry GAA, which will see club and county championship matches shown exclusively live on Clubber TV for the next three seasons.
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Post by mossie on Aug 30, 2023 21:23:50 GMT
Paudie is talking sense re the format
It is too heavy and tight a schedule
One or the other or both competitions should go to the format Paudie has set out
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Post by listowelemerrs on Aug 31, 2023 19:59:40 GMT
Wish this ludicrous competition was annexed .. serves no purpose anymore.. the last time I was interested in this competition was in 2015 when south Kerry made up of close to 10 clubs defeated a proud and honest legion , had they won it would be in their history forever but sure they lost to 10 clubs. I wish someone will see sense and stop this competition. Fast.
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Post by Premier on Aug 31, 2023 22:21:46 GMT
Wish this ludicrous competition was annexed .. serves no purpose anymore.. the last time I was interested in this competition was in 2015 when south Kerry made up of close to 10 clubs defeated a proud and honest legion , had they won it would be in their history forever but sure they lost to 10 clubs. I wish someone will see sense and stop this competition. Fast. At no stage has no South Kerry team had 10 clubs. That was a fairly limited South Kerry team who had players made up from Renard Valentia and Sneem/Derrynane who were playing all their football in Division 5 at the time. That was as big an achievement as anything at the time with Bryan Sheehan more or less carrying that team on his back for them to win
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Post by horsebox77 on Sept 1, 2023 7:14:53 GMT
Who is involved or over West Kerry and Feale Rangers this year?
I heard Shannon have gone to Aedfert's Pat O'Driscoll. Nice backroom team with him as well.
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Post by percentageplay on Sept 1, 2023 7:50:47 GMT
Wish this ludicrous competition was annexed .. serves no purpose anymore.. the last time I was interested in this competition was in 2015 when south Kerry made up of close to 10 clubs defeated a proud and honest legion , had they won it would be in their history forever but sure they lost to 10 clubs. I wish someone will see sense and stop this competition. Fast. That was one of the years during the "10's" where a divisional team won the championship, there was only one other year in that period where a divisional team won. Of the ten finals in the period a divisional team contested 6 of them, winning two. Teams rise and fall, both club and divisional all having periods of dominance.
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Post by glengael on Sept 1, 2023 8:31:50 GMT
2015 South Kerry Kerry team had players from 7 clubs if I count correctly.
Brian O’Connor (Valentia)
Brian Sugrue (Renard) Killian Young (Renard) Paul O’Sullivan (Valentia)
Padraig O’Sullivan (Dromid Pearses) Bernard Walsh (Skellig Rangers) Denis Daly (St Marys)
Bryan Sheehan (St Marys) Brendan O’Sullivan (Valentia)
Paul O’Connor (Valentia) Declan O’Sullivan (Dromid Pearses) Aidan Walsh (St Marys)
Ian Galvin (Sneem/Derrynane) Paul O’Donoghue (St Marys) Conor O’Shea (St Marys)
Subs:
Robert Wharton (Renard) for P O’Connor (35 mins) Greg Gibson (Waterville) for B O’Sullivan (35 mins) Daniel Daly (St Marys) for I Galvin (43 mins) Brendan O’Sullivan (Valentia) for B Sheehan (black card, 61 mins) Aidan O’Sullivan (Dromid Pearses) for B Sugrue (73 mins) Oran Clifford (Waterville) for P O’Sullivan (79 mins)
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Post by royalkerryfan on Sept 1, 2023 13:50:05 GMT
Wish this ludicrous competition was annexed .. serves no purpose anymore.. the last time I was interested in this competition was in 2015 when south Kerry made up of close to 10 clubs defeated a proud and honest legion , had they won it would be in their history forever but sure they lost to 10 clubs. I wish someone will see sense and stop this competition. Fast. This competition is referenced in many counties as a format for exposing junior players to senior football. Meath trialed it this year with 4 divisional sides in a standalone competition. Why do you want to scrap it?
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Post by shannonsider on Sept 1, 2023 15:48:52 GMT
Wish this ludicrous competition was annexed .. serves no purpose anymore.. the last time I was interested in this competition was in 2015 when south Kerry made up of close to 10 clubs defeated a proud and honest legion , had they won it would be in their history forever but sure they lost to 10 clubs. I wish someone will see sense and stop this competition. Fast. I'm sorry did you just say you want the County Senior championship scrapped?
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Post by kerrybhoy06 on Sept 1, 2023 16:13:56 GMT
Wish this ludicrous competition was annexed .. serves no purpose anymore.. the last time I was interested in this competition was in 2015 when south Kerry made up of close to 10 clubs defeated a proud and honest legion , had they won it would be in their history forever but sure they lost to 10 clubs. I wish someone will see sense and stop this competition. Fast. I presume you didn’t think that when listowel were senior about 20 years ago?
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Post by listowelemerrs on Sept 1, 2023 20:32:24 GMT
Wish this ludicrous competition was annexed .. serves no purpose anymore.. the last time I was interested in this competition was in 2015 when south Kerry made up of close to 10 clubs defeated a proud and honest legion , had they won it would be in their history forever but sure they lost to 10 clubs. I wish someone will see sense and stop this competition. Fast. I'm sorry did you just say you want the County Senior championship scrapped? The county championship is gone past it’s sell by date. The reality is only a few traditionalists in the county board want it to continue. The reality is now with development squads and normal club matches like junior,intermediate and senior club championship matches, no player will go under the cracks anymore. That day is gone. We have won 2 all Irelands in 14 years. It’s doing nothing to help the county senior squad if anything it’s having a detrimental effect to the S&C side of our seniors and other things too. We’ll have the Clifford’s and other county stars like Tom sullivan etc playing in to October or November ( so much for split season) burning their legs for a stale competition. And then back in with Kerry a month later. It seriously needs to be reviewed. I’m open to discussion but I think it’s time a serious conversation was had. It’s also having the knock on effect of local district championships not being played till November December. It’s a shocker in my opinion.
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Post by listowelemerrs on Sept 1, 2023 20:33:39 GMT
Wish this ludicrous competition was annexed .. serves no purpose anymore.. the last time I was interested in this competition was in 2015 when south Kerry made up of close to 10 clubs defeated a proud and honest legion , had they won it would be in their history forever but sure they lost to 10 clubs. I wish someone will see sense and stop this competition. Fast. I presume you didn’t think that when listowel were senior about 20 years ago? we had the senior club championship. It’s enough.
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Post by listowelemerrs on Sept 1, 2023 20:34:18 GMT
Wish this ludicrous competition was annexed .. serves no purpose anymore.. the last time I was interested in this competition was in 2015 when south Kerry made up of close to 10 clubs defeated a proud and honest legion , had they won it would be in their history forever but sure they lost to 10 clubs. I wish someone will see sense and stop this competition. Fast. I'm sorry did you just say you want the County Senior championship scrapped? yes the negatives of its existence far outweigh the positives
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Post by ciarraiochmallaithe on Sept 2, 2023 13:49:05 GMT
The club championships should be enough, like he said our big players are getting flogged and don't get adequate rest to be back for the new season
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Post by legendz on Sept 2, 2023 16:51:22 GMT
I presume you didn’t think that when listowel were senior about 20 years ago? we had the senior club championship. It’s enough. There's a compromise in that 8 divisional clubs could compete in a knockout Divisional Club Championship. The Senior Club Championship winner and the Divisional Club Championship winner can contest the County Championship final. The Senior Club Championship itself could expand to 10 clubs in 2 groups of 5.
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Post by shannonsider on Sept 2, 2023 20:20:09 GMT
Lord Jesus above in heaven. I’ve heard it all now! Scrap the County SFC. The main competition in the county. One of the keys for developing Kerry players from clubs of all levels over the years.
One can only pray that nobody in any position of influence is having such idiotic notions.
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Post by pillar on Sept 3, 2023 8:23:55 GMT
I think there's a couple of things that have to be taken into account.
1. Sean Kelly with his excellent initiative of creating the All Ireland Club Championship has helped raise the profile of the Club Championship. The County Board , through its excellent organisation, have done the same. It is now the competition that captures the public imagination. It also means that every player in the County is involved!!
2. Divisional teams , I believe, need to be looked at and not necessarily at Senior level first. The Minor County championship, by the County Boards own admission, is taking a worrying turn. Only 10 teams entered this year, 7 District teams and 3 clubs(Laune Rangers, Austin Stacks and Kenmare). Having District teams with 13 clubs involved is not good for the game plus each club has at most only maybe 3 to 4 players involved. Makes it almost elitist.
3. The changing dynamics of the GAA season, the split season,has created another problem. Having to play a lot of weekends in a row for Senior clubs is starting to take its toll. I know Na Gaeil have suffered with injuries and if you ask any of their members what's their most important game left its the relegation play off.
4. The aforementioned Development squads and indeed the excellent post primary competitions means there is plenty opportunities for players to be spotted and the unknown from the middle of nowhere playing in the County Championship with his divisional team is no longer a factor.
And I do think that Kerrys future success going forward is being hampered by the amount of games our top players are being asked to play. Let just say in comparison to our great nemesis Dublin. Those players will be well refreshed and fit in Jsnuary on the back of less club games .
So somethings gotta give!!!
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